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India, China strike border patrol pact that could ease ties, top official says
  • Border pact to help resolve four-year conflict, India says​
  • Pact follows rounds of military, diplomatic talks​
  • Modi, Xi could meet on sidelines of this week’s BRICS summit​
  • Border stand-off strained ties, hit business interactions​
Reuters
New Delhi
Published: 21 Oct 2024, 18: 16

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Indian army soldier stands on a snow-covered road near Zojila mountain pass that connects Srinagar to the union territory of Ladakh, bordering China on 28 February 2021AFP

India and China have reached a deal on patrolling their disputed Himalayan frontier to resolve a four-year military stand-off, foreign secretary Vikram Misri said on Monday, paving the way to normalise political and business ties.

The news comes on the eve of Indian prime minister Narendra Modi’s visit to Russia for a summit of the BRICS regional grouping from 22 to 24 October, during which he could hold talks with Chinese president Xi Jinping, Indian officials said.

Diplomatic and military negotiators from the nuclear-armed neighbours had held several rounds of talks during the past few weeks, said Misri, the top bureaucrat in India’s foreign ministry.

The talks yielded an agreement on “patrolling arrangements along the Line of Actual Control in the India-China border areas,” he told reporters at a briefing on Modi’s visit to Russia.

The pact could lead to disengagement of the troops of both countries in the remote mountainous region, and help resolve issues that had arisen there in 2020, Misri added.

Authorities in Beijing offered no immediate response to Misri’s remarks.

Ties have been strained since clashes between their troops on the largely undemarcated frontier left 20 Indian and four Chinese soldiers dead in 2020.

Asked if Modi and Xi would hold talks this week, Misri said the prime minister’s bilateral meetings on the sidelines of the BRICS summit in Russia’s southwestern city of Kazan were still being planned.

Slow progress during talks over the last four years to end the standoff hurt business ties between the world’s two most populous nations, with New Delhi tightening scrutiny of investment by Chinese firms and halting major projects.

This month, India’s army chief said New Delhi wanted the status on the frontier in the western Himalayas restored to the position before April 2020, when the stand-off began and warned the situation would stay sensitive until that was achieved.

The two sides need to tackle difficult issues beyond the “low-hanging fruit” already grasped, said general Upendra Dwivedi, adding that “positive signalling” by diplomats required the military commanders of both to follow through on the ground.

New Delhi has said in the past its tighter scrutiny of Chinese investments would ease if the border stand-off moved towards resolution.

India’s tougher vetting of all Chinese investment after the clashes has effectively turned away billions of dollars from the likes of carmakers BYD and Great Wall Motor, and added more red tape in Indian firms’ interactions with Chinese stakeholders.

However, Indian imports have surged 56 per cent since the border clash, nearly doubling New Delhi’s trade deficit with Beijing to $85 billion. China remains India’s biggest source of goods and was its largest supplier of industrial products last year.

BRICS, originally comprising Brazil, Russia, India, and China, has expanded to include South Africa, Egypt, Ethiopia, Iran, and the UAE.​
 
China was unable to sustan face off. China changed many military incharge of conflict Zone.China's pressure tactics did not work. China was left with no option but to retreat. Batter that some wisdom prevailed and China could withdrew with face saving Chance. Had China decided to stick there, China would have faced more humiliation.
 
China was unable to sustan face off. China changed many military incharge of conflict Zone.China's pressure tactics did not work. China was left with no option but to retreat. Batter that some wisdom prevailed and China could withdrew with face saving Chance. Had China decided to stick there, China would have faced more humiliation.

Any proof of what you are claiming?

If you don't have proof from credible sources, this is simply propaganda.

You have been warned before about this - and propaganda will be deleted without warning.

This forum will not be used as a vehicle for Godi Media propaganda.
 
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China says reached 'resolution' with India
AFP
Beijing
Updated: 22 Oct 2024, 18: 53

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Map showing the border region between China and India AFP

China said Tuesday it had reached a "resolution" with India over issues related to their disputed border, after New Delhi said it had struck a deal with Beijing for military patrols along the frontier.

China and India, the world's two most populous nations, are intense rivals and have regularly accused each other of trying to seize territory along their unofficial divide, known as the Line of Actual Control.

After a border skirmish in 2020, which killed at least 20 Indian and four Chinese soldiers, both sides pulled back tens of thousands of troops and agreed not to send patrols into a narrow strip surrounding the Line of Actual Control.

Beijing's foreign ministry said Tuesday it had given its "positive approval" to a border deal, confirming a similar statement by New Delhi on Monday.

"Recently, China and India have maintained close communication through diplomatic and military channels on issues relating to the China-India border," Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Lin Jian told a regular news briefing.

"Currently, the two sides have reached a resolution on the relevant issues. China gives its positive approval to this," Lin said.

"In the next stage, we will properly implement that resolution with the Indian side," he said.

On Monday, India's top foreign ministry bureaucrat Vikram Misri said that "agreement has been arrived at on patrolling arrangements along the Line of Actual Control".

The deal would lead to "disengagement and eventually a resolution of the issues that had arisen in these areas in 2020," Misri said.

India's external affairs minister Subrahmanyam Jaishankar said disengagement with China was "complete" and that details would come out in "due course".

The understanding "creates a basis for peace and tranquillity along the border, which were there before 2020," he said at a conference hosted by Indian broadcaster NDTV.

Disputes over the 3,500-kilometre (2,200-mile) frontier are a perennial source of tension between China and India, major economies vying for strategic influence across South Asia.

China claims all of India's northeastern state of Arunachal Pradesh, considering it part of Tibet, and the two countries fought a border war in 1962.

BRICS talks?

The announcements came as Chinese and Indian leaders prepared to gather in Russia for the opening of a summit of the BRICS emerging economies.

Chinese state media reported on Tuesday that President Xi Jinping was on his way to the meeting, the biggest of its kind in Russia since Moscow launched its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022.

Around two dozen world leaders are expected to join the summit in the city of Kazan, including Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

The border resolution has fed speculation that Xi and Modi may hold official talks there.

Lin, the spokesman for Beijing's foreign ministry, declined to confirm the mooted discussions at Tuesday's press conference, saying that China would issue information "in due course".​
 
Any proof of what you are claiming?

If you don't have proof from credible sources, this is simply propaganda.

You have been warned before about this - and propaganda will be deleted without warning.

This forum will not be used as a vehicle for Godi Media propaganda.

They agreed to all our terms and condition and agreed to what we had been insisting from the day one of face off. What is propaganda here? Except yourself, nobody sees any propaganda in my post. Stop giving this warning. Ban me from forum. This is a discussion forum. Here, everybody expresses his/her opinion. Even Godi media word you are using is stolen from Indian media. So, stop your bluffing. I am not here to please you. You are free to prove me wrong. Rather than doing any argument, you want to miss use your power to stop other views which are not in line with your radical Islamist view. You can ban me from forum but do not give such warnings because I bother least about it.
 

China, India agree to resolve differences

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Chinese President Xi Jinping and India Prime Minister Narendra Modi meet on the sidelines of the BRICS summit in Kazan, Russia yesterday. Photo: REUTERS
  • Xi and Modi hold first formal talks in five years​
  • Two leaders meet on the sidelines of the BRICS summit​
  • Comes after deal to resolve stand-off over disputed frontier​
  • Talks expected to result in more Chinese investment into India​
Chinese President Xi Jinping and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi agreed yesterday to boost communication and cooperation between their countries and resolve conflicts to help improve ties that were damaged by a deadly military clash in 2020.

The two leaders met on the sidelines of the BRICS summit in Russia for their first formal talks in five years, signalling that ties between the Asian giants have begun to recover from the diplomatic rift caused by the clash along their disputed Himalayan frontier.

India and China, two of the world's biggest economies, have maintained strong trade ties despite the military and diplomatic tensions. The rapprochement is expected to boost Chinese investment in India.

India said the two leaders have directed their officials to take further steps to stabilise all aspects of bilateral ties.

The Xi-Modi meeting in the city of Kazan came two days after New Delhi said it had reached a deal with Beijing to resolve the four-year military stand-off in the Himalayan region of Ladakh, although neither side has shared details of the pact.

The two sides should strengthen communication and cooperation, resolve conflicts and differences, and realize each other's development dreams, Chinese state broadcaster CCTV reported Xi as telling Modi.

In response, Modi told Xi that peace, stability, mutual trust and respect were crucial for relations.

"We welcome the agreement on the issues that had come up over the last four years," Modi told Xi in comments aired on India's state broadcaster Doordarshan.

"It should be our priority to maintain peace and tranquillity on the border. Mutual trust, mutual respect and mutual sensitivity should be the basis of our relationship," Modi said.

PATH TO IMPROVING TIES

Relations between the world's two most populous nations - both nuclear powers - have been strained since a clash between their troops on the largely undemarcated frontier in the western Himalayas left 20 Indian and four Chinese soldiers dead in 2020.

The neighbours have added tens of thousands of troops and weapons along the icy frontier over the last four years.

Modi and Xi had not held formal bilateral talks since then, although both participated in multilateral events. Their last bilateral summit talks were held in October 2019 in the southern Indian town of Mamallapuram.

The two spoke briefly on the sidelines of the G20 summit in Bali in November 2022. They spoke again on the sidelines of the BRICS summit in Johannesburg in August 2023 but released different versions of the conversation, suggesting they didn't see eye to eye.

Xi skipped the G20 summit hosted by New Delhi the following month, a decision seen as another setback to relations.

Diplomatic efforts gained momentum in recent months after the two countries' foreign ministers met in July and agreed to step up talks to ease the border tensions.

India had made improving the wider political and damaged business ties contingent upon finding a solution to the border stand-off.

New Delhi had increased the scrutiny of investments coming from China, blocked direct flights between the two countries and had practically barred issuing any visas to Chinese nationals since the Ladakh clashes.

Speaking in Kazan, Indian Foreign Secretary Vikram Misri said there was hope for better India-China relations.

"As we have maintained during the last four years, the restoration of peace and tranquillity on the border areas will create space for ... normalisation of our bilateral relations."​
 

Key issues of dispute between China and India
Agence France-Presse. Beijing, China 25 October, 2024, 03:29

China and India are talking again after a years-long freeze, with leaders Xi Jinping and Narendra Modi meeting at a BRICS summit this week and the two sides striking a deal on issues related to their disputed border.

The world's two most populous nations are intense rivals and have clashed over everything from tech to their vast Himalayan frontier.

Here, AFP takes a look at four key sources of tension between the countries in recent years:

Fighting at the frontier

Beijing and New Delhi have regularly accused each other of trying to seize territory along their 3,500-kilometre (2,175-mile) unofficial divide, known as the Line of Actual Control (LAC).

China also claims all of India's northeastern state of Arunachal Pradesh, considering it part of Tibet, and the two fought a border war in 1962.

A border skirmish in 2020 killed at least 20 Indian and four Chinese soldiers, the deadliest face-off between the nuclear-armed neighbours in half a century.

That clash led both sides to pull back tens of thousands of troops and agree not to send patrols into a narrow strip surrounding the LAC.

But a deal this week saw the countries agree on patrolling arrangements along the tense frontier.

Details remain scarce, however, and analysts have cautioned that a more comprehensive cooling of tensions will take time.

‘With the low levels of trust amongst militaries and governments of India and China, this will be a slow, arduous and painstaking series of steps’, former Indian ambassador to China Gautam Bambawale wrote in the Times of India.

Jabin T. Jacob, professor of international relations at India's Shiv Nadar University, said the patrolling agreement was ‘a limited one’.

‘India... has been devoted to the task only of reversing Chinese transgressions, not punishing them, let alone resolving the boundary dispute itself’, Jacob wrote in The Indian Express daily.

Unresolved tensions

India has also sought to leverage mounting US-China tensions to inch closer to the United States.

And analysts aren't convinced that this week's Xi-Modi meeting or the easing of border tensions will draw New Delhi away from Washington's orbit.

‘The real underlying problem -- the border dispute -- remains unresolved, and this will continue to be a source of tension and disagreement for the two sides,’ Byron Chong, editor of the China-India Brief, told AFP.

Beijing has fumed over the creation of the Quad -- a security grouping among India, the United States, Australia and Japan that Washington has pitched as a counterweight to China.

And tensions with China have prompted India to bolster its own partnerships and defence capabilities, easing laws for Western companies to invest and co-produce military hardware in the country, Chong said.

While India has traditionally been one of China's largest trading partners, it has also sought to strengthen its own manufacturing sector as economic tensions between Beijing and Washington soar.

But, Chong said, ‘its manufacturing growth has lagged behind competitors like Vietnam and Taiwan’.

Tech bans

In the wake of the 2020 border clash, India's home ministry banned hundreds of mobile apps of Chinese origin, including the hugely popular social media platform TikTok.

New Delhi also dialled up pressure on Chinese tech firms, launching investigations into a number of firms over tax evasion and fraud.

And experts don't expect a rollback of that campaign anytime soon.

‘India would want to see progress first and normalcy (at the border) before moving on these issues,’ said Srikanth Kondapalli, professor of Chinese studies at Jawaharlal Nehru University in New Delhi.

India is also looking to fortify its domestic telecommunications industry -- and is unlikely to halt probes into Chinese companies.

‘There can be no question of India relenting on certain past decisions, such as banning Chinese apps, or not permitting Chinese firms to participate in our development of 5G and 6G,’ Bambawale said.

Struggle for influence

Both countries are jostling for clout in India's traditional sphere of influence in South Asia.

China's foothold in the region has expanded, driven by infrastructure investments as part of its vast Belt and Road initiative.

India ‘perceives the growing Chinese presence as a challenge to its regional leadership and security’, said Chong, also a Research Associate at Singapore's Lee Kuan Yew School of Public Policy.

The two powers have also jostled over the small but strategically located archipelago of the Maldives, whose pro-China president came to power a year ago on a promise to evict dozens of Indian troops based there.

Beijing's ties with Pakistan, India's long-standing rival, ‘further intensify strategic concerns’, Chong said.

But China's efforts to endear itself to New Delhi, as with the border deal, suggest it may be looking to turn the page.

‘By engaging diplomatically and presenting itself as a cooperative partner, India could be influenced into adopting a more neutral or friendly stance towards China,’ Chong said.

‘Reducing tensions with India may also be an indication that China wants to concentrate on other issues like Taiwan and South China Sea disputes.’​
 

India, China begin troop disengagement in Ladakh: media reports

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India and China started pulling back troops from a close standoff at two friction points -- Demchok and Depsang Plains in eastern Ladakh -- following a recent agreement on disengagement, Indian media reported today.

The disengagement comes as part of an agreement between the two nations on patrolling and reducing troop presence along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in eastern Ladakh, aimed at resolving a standoff that has lasted over four years.

According to sources, Indian troops have begun withdrawing equipment to rear locations in these areas. Indian Foreign Secretary Vikram Misri had announced on October 21 that the agreement was reached after weeks of negotiations, and would resolve tensions that began in 2020.

The agreement received endorsement on October 23 from Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Chinese President Xi Jinping during their discussions on the sidelines of the BRICS Summit in Kazan, Russia.​
 

US welcomes India, China efforts to lower border tensions
Agence France-Presse . Washington 31 October, 2024, 00:16

The United States on Tuesday welcomed efforts by India and China to resolve border tensions, after they recently agreed on ways to step back from their deadly 2020 confrontation.

‘We understand that both countries have taken initial steps to withdraw troops from friction points along the Line of Actual Control. We welcome any reduction in tensions along the border,’ State Department spokesman Matthew Miller told reporters.

He said that the United States has discussed the issue with India but was not involved in negotiations.

China and India, the world’s two most populous nations, have long had disputes over their 3,500-kilometer frontier, which came to a head in 2020 with a skirmish in the Himalayas that killed at least 20 Indian and four Chinese soldiers.

India and China said last week that they had worked out patrolling arrangements in the area so as to disengage the two countries’ militaries, with an eye to an eventual resolution.

The agreement came shortly before Indian prime minister Narendra Modi and Chinese president Xi Jinping met for the first time in five years, on the side-lines of a BRICS summit in Russia.

The United States has been building ties for more than two decades with India, in part viewing New Delhi as a natural partner due to shared concerns over the rise of China.

Washington this year approved a $4 billion sale of state-of-the-art drones to India that could be used for surveillance in the border areas — a decision that came despite US lawmakers’ concern over an alleged assassination plot, backed by New Delhi, of a Sikh separatist leader on US soil.​
 

US welcomes India, China efforts to lower border tensions
Agence France-Presse . Washington 31 October, 2024, 00:16

The United States on Tuesday welcomed efforts by India and China to resolve border tensions, after they recently agreed on ways to step back from their deadly 2020 confrontation.

‘We understand that both countries have taken initial steps to withdraw troops from friction points along the Line of Actual Control. We welcome any reduction in tensions along the border,’ State Department spokesman Matthew Miller told reporters.

He said that the United States has discussed the issue with India but was not involved in negotiations.

China and India, the world’s two most populous nations, have long had disputes over their 3,500-kilometer frontier, which came to a head in 2020 with a skirmish in the Himalayas that killed at least 20 Indian and four Chinese soldiers.

India and China said last week that they had worked out patrolling arrangements in the area so as to disengage the two countries’ militaries, with an eye to an eventual resolution.

The agreement came shortly before Indian prime minister Narendra Modi and Chinese president Xi Jinping met for the first time in five years, on the side-lines of a BRICS summit in Russia.

The United States has been building ties for more than two decades with India, in part viewing New Delhi as a natural partner due to shared concerns over the rise of China.

Washington this year approved a $4 billion sale of state-of-the-art drones to India that could be used for surveillance in the border areas — a decision that came despite US lawmakers’ concern over an alleged assassination plot, backed by New Delhi, of a Sikh separatist leader on US soil.​

US infact doesn't like it atall. However, they can not say that. A very good development has taken place. US, who had a plan to use the situation by promoting anti national elements in India to check India's progress has failed. India is getting more and more strong as the days passes. We need to manage the coming 10 years window carefully. When India will become a 10 Bn USD economy with 5.5 generation plane, India will reach to a stage when enemies of India will stop their efforts to Check India through proxies. Almost, all external threats shall become marginal. India shall face only one threat at that time. It will be internal. Handling Islamic terrorism shall be the only major challange.
 
US infact doesn't like it atall. However, they can not say that. A very good development has taken place. US, who had a plan to use the situation by promoting anti national elements in India to check India's progress has failed. India is getting more and more strong as the days passes. We need to manage the coming 10 years window carefully. When India will become a 10 Bn USD economy with 5.5 generation plane, India will reach to a stage when enemies of India will stop their efforts to Check India through proxies. Almost, all external threats shall become marginal. India shall face only one threat at that time. It will be internal. Handling Islamic terrorism shall be the only major challange.
We hardly have any of that type of terrorism, why you being unnecessarily inflammatory with that language ?

Kashmir must be viewed in isolation, and things are stable there, for now.
 
Future wars and human conflict will not be over energy (alone) or simply real estate but over the actual geography with global warming and the rise of the oceans. It will be over the necessities of life itself. Food. Water. Liveable air.

It is really short sighted and naive to believe that we will have no enemies but those not of the dominant faith internally.

Faith will count for nothing when a mother watches her children starve and die of thirst.

Neither will a 3000 km fortified border if mines, barbed wire and machine gun nests.

When the human waves come.
 
Terrorism ? Where else are they running around with guns and bombs ?

Societal problems aplenty, the odd riot even, but not that type of terrorism.

We have commie terror.

They are ready for execution of their agenda everywhere. The only issue is that they don't have suitable environment. This not only true for India but for Pakistan and Bangladesh as well. Infact, it is their global agenda. Look at any country where they have sizable population.
 
They are ready for execution of their agenda everywhere. The only issue is that they don't have suitable environment. This not only true for India but for Pakistan and Bangladesh as well. Infact, it is their global agenda. Look at any country where they have sizable population.
We have Modi Shah ki jodi, still barkaraar on the crease.. I'm not worried much for the time being.
 
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