South Asia A Sustainable Socio Economic, Enviromental Model for Rural Subcontinent Area - Case Studies, Ideas, Models and initiatives.

[Guru Dutt]

I think you are painting with too broad a brush and don't understand the underlying dynamics.

Educated Middle class Indian Muslims rejected Western education as a protest against the British Raj starting in the mid 1700s (Company Raj) following Bangla Nawab's defeat at Palashi (Plessey), they were not going to lick British boots. Which is why the lower rate of education for Muslims in British India and why they did not feature widely as administrative servants under Company and British Raj.

Upper class Indian Muslims got educated in Western Universities any way.

Middle class Indian Muslims got Aligarh Renaissance later (and similar opportunities).

First thing First .... the so called Muslim feudal elite /Mansabdaar's or Nawabs or Subedaar's type later who under British became Zameendaar's dint just invited British against Marathas but had earlier even called Nadir shah Nd then same delhi clergy likes of waliullah dehelvi called ahmed shah abdali against marathas again and before that there ancesstors had called Babbar against Pathan Ibrahim Lodhi who they thought was a bif too soft towards Rajpoots and even had Hindu Hemu as his Army chief


so cutting long story short these same muslim feudals and religious and high clergy in Shahi court had time and again invited foriegn powers even Tipu sultan had invited Shah of Afghanistan to wage a Jihad against growing powers of marathas in deccan and middle india and sikhs , rajpoots and jaats in north and north western india

Having said that on the education front even there there was never a problem even in times since mamluk empires there was a wast madarssa culture specially all across UP , MP and what was Pakistan and indian Punjab , haryana and higher english styel education for elite muslims was not limited to AMU

funny fact is the language URDU was propogated by British before that in till early 1900s it was called Zuban E URDU or "Rekhta" or DACCANNI or commonlli as HINDVI/Hindustani

but when British started there hyper Divide & rule policy for which they divided East & west bengal on basis of Hindu and muslim and statrted using muslim elite against Congress which now strated to show nationalistic and revolting colours with people like Bal Ganghadar Tilak , Lalla Lajpat Rai Bipin Chandra pal or bunkin chandra chaterjiand Molana Hazrat Mohani had started asking for SWARAJ so British perpped up muslim elite and for that they first drew a DURAND LINE and sepratted Afghanistan from Hindustan which was always considerred part of Indian civilization(Gandhara) since times of Mahabharta or Ashoka and even Mughals and later Nepal and Bhutan and mayanmar/burma and Cylone/sri lanka from united India and lastly Pakistan was acrved out of Unted India which in 1971 also gave birth to Bangladesh


long story short Muslim elite always put its False ego and martial race superiorty above the people or nation/civilization of Hindustan which they never considerred themselfs as part of but only as Victors/Hukumraan E waqt and rest every one as there RIYAYYAH and for that time and agained invited invaders and betrayed and killed there own people .... tell me has anything changed

 

[Vsdoc]

Well this is subjective i guess ....

Muslims of India never really wanted Develpoment or Progress in so called WERSTERN METIRIALISTIC STANDARDS like

Democratic rights to all citizens of state without discrimination based on Gender/ caste /religion/Race

Eduction for all without discrimination based on Gender/ caste /religion/Race

Equality Before Law without discrimination based on Gender/ caste /religion/Race

thats cause they always thought themselfs superior to Non Muslims and this shows about how they treat Hindus / Sikhs /Bhudists or christians like non Muslim religious minorities or even non sunni muslim sects like Shias or ahmedies in Pakistan or Bangladesh

https://swarajyamag.com/ideas/census-1931-why-its-relevant-now-more-than-ever

funniest part is even education dose not helps rather those who made Pakistan or proposed Idea of Pakistan were mostlyShiekh Muslims and Shia muslim feudals on UP & MP & Bengal presidency and Ahmedies in Punjab province

just look at education %age of Muslims Vs Hindus in 1931 for expample
please share your thoughts @Saif @Lulldapull @Bilal9 @Bagheera0084 @Vsdoc

Numbers speak for themselves.

There are how many Indians here?

6?

How many Muslims do each of us remember in our school class or college batch?

Remember the total number of Muslims as a percentage of our population.

One should normally see near about the same mix in school, if not college (especially professional degrees).

 

[Vsdoc]

And then ask yourselves, how many of those Muslims you remember were girls.

 

[Guru Dutt]

Numbers speak for themselves.

There are how many Indians here?

6?

How many Muslims do each of us remember in our school class or college batch?

Remember the total number of Muslims as a percentage of our population.

One should normally see near about the same mix in school, if not college (especially professional degrees).

well cnt say about then but today when i go drop my child to AKAASH for medical coaching there yu see many burke waliyan they are 10% of female students and 20% of male students prepairing for medical and same is with engineering and UPSC

 

[Guru Dutt]

And then ask yourselves, how many of those Muslims you remember were girls.

i had my graduation from Dr Zakir Hussain College oppsite Ram Lila Maidan adjecent to Turkman Gate Old Delhi and it was Muslim Majority College ... per maine teen saal wahan bhee Navratro me Havan karaya 😉 😛

 

[Vsdoc]

I think you are painting with too broad a brush and don't understand the underlying dynamics.

Educated Middle class Indian Muslims rejected Western education as a protest against the British Raj starting in the mid 1700s (Company Raj) following Bangla Nawab's defeat at Palashi (Plessey), they were not going to lick British boots. Which is why the lower rate of education for Muslims in British India and why they did not feature widely as administrative servants under Company and British Raj.

Upper class Indian Muslims got educated in Western Universities any way.

Middle class Indian Muslims got Aligarh Renaissance later (and similar opportunities).

And now they don't want to lick Hindu boots.

So they choose ro be mechanics, darzis, mochis, plumbers, electricians, kasais, drug peddlers, body shop owners (stolen bikes and cars recycling), waiters, rickshaw wallas, etc.

 

[Vsdoc]

well cnt say about then but today when i go drop my child to AKAASH for medical coaching there yu see many burke waliyan they are 10% of female students and 20% of male students prepairing for medical and same is with engineering and UPSC

So that's a distinct generational shift.

 

[Guru Dutt]

And now they don't want to lick Hindu boots.

So they choose ro be mechanics, darzis, mochis, plumbers, electricians, kasais, drug peddlers, body shop owners (stolen bikes and cars recycling), waiters, rickshaw wallas, etc.

fall of muslim in education and stutus is related to there over breeding obsession

it was OK to have ten or twelwe kids in times when 7-8 kids died before reaching there teen years but till 1970s with advanced medical and other atributes that infant mortality rate came down almost to 1/10th so still muslims kept doing it to breed out hindus

so when there were two guys both earning say 10000/- per month one had two kids other had 12 tell me the one who had 12 will he be able to give good education or proper food or clothing or things to all his kids just like the one who had just two kids with same income and it kept on repeating genration after genration while the Hindu or sikh genration jumped many points in income deu to education and better skills muslims lagged behind deu to no education or proper food and medical help for almost 70 years and today they blame every one else for there pathettic state than there own misplaced obsession .. funny isnt it 😉 😛

 

[Bilal9]

And now they don't want to lick Hindu boots.

So they choose ro be mechanics, darzis, mochis, plumbers, electricians, kasais, drug peddlers, body shop owners (stolen bikes and cars recycling), waiters, rickshaw wallas, etc.

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[Bilal9]

fall of muslim in education and stutus is related to there over breeding obsession

it was OK to have ten or twelwe kids in times when 7-8 kids died before reaching there teen years but till 1970s with advanced medical and other atributes that infant mortality rate came down almost to 1/10th so still muslims kept doing it to breed out hindus

so when there were two guys both earning say 10000/- per month one had two kids other had 12 tell me the one who had 12 will he be able to give good education or proper food or clothing or things to all his kids just like the one who had just two kids with same income and it kept on repeating genration after genration while the Hindu or sikh genration jumped many points in income deu to education and better skills muslims lagged behind deu to no education or proper food and medical help for almost 70 years and today they blame every one else for there pathettic state than there own misplaced obsession .. funny isnt it 😉 😛

You are typecasting.

Not all Muslim Indian women are Hijabis or Nekabis. Some wear blue hair and mini-skirts. I have known some.

Some Muslim families in India send their kids to Bharata Natyam school, I have been to their Arangetrams (graduation ceremonies). Instead of Hindu Holy text, they touched the Quran before their dance.

Yeah I know - bizarre.

But again, you cannot dump everyone into the same box. All dependent on wealth, societal background, education, secular/non-secular. Just like Hindus.

South Asians are all guilty of this. Muslims are this, Hindus are that.

 

[Guru Dutt]

You are typecasting.

Not all Muslim Indian women are Hijabis or Nekabis. Some wear blue hair and mini-skirts. I have known some.

Some Muslim families in India send their kids to Bharata Natyam school, I have been to their Arangetrams (graduation ceremonies). Instead of Hindu Holy text, they touched the Quran before their dance.

Yeah I know - bizarre.

But again, you cannot dump everyone into the same box. All dependent on wealth, societal background, education, secular/non-secular. Just like Hindus.

South Asians are all guilty of this. Muslims are this, Hindus are that.

well just a few days back i had dropped the only Grand Kid... yes i am offically a grandpa 😉 😛 well my eldest cousin in 64 and his gand child who jsut started going to school i had to drop him to his school and there i was shocked to see a three and half year old muslim child wearing a head scarf and when i asked was it deu to cold she smiled and said there are few muslim girls in school and all of them wear head scarfs while those in senior secondary school 10+2 level were asking for burqa as uniform which demand was rejected by the school administration that only head scarf is allowed ... so please muslims here are doing some many weared things

 

[Guru Dutt]

You are typecasting.

Not all Muslim Indian women are Hijabis or Nekabis. Some wear blue hair and mini-skirts. I have known some.

Some Muslim families in India send their kids to Bharata Natyam school, I have been to their Arangetrams (graduation ceremonies). Instead of Hindu Holy text, they touched the Quran before their dance.

Yeah I know - bizarre.

But again, you cannot dump everyone into the same box. All dependent on wealth, societal background, education, secular/non-secular. Just like Hindus.

South Asians are all guilty of this. Muslims are this, Hindus are that.

well what a few educated muslim families do dose not changes what rest 99% of them do and are obsessed about

more than 90% of muslim families even today think breed as many kids as you can to outbreed hindus in Hindustan ..... LAR KE LIYA THA PAKISTAN HASS KE LENGGE HINDUSTAN is there slogan /quomi narra after independence 3.5 corore muslims in 1947 today are well over 28 crore in india and some 6 crore extra illeagel bangladeshi and rohingyas

most muslims do not send there kids to schools or there drop rate out of schools is more than 60% after middle school cause they put there children in menial jobs like machenics or welders or other odd jbs so they eran extra for the family ... even most kids dont go t madarssa where they get free boarding and lodging and food for the same reason and this hapenns in pakistan too

then when they cry HUM GAREEB HO GAYE BJP/MODI KI WAJAH se wo BJP walle Humko naukriya nahi dette ....... but they forget to tell they are not qualified for any such jobs ... who are get the jobs

 

[Bilal9]

well what a few educated muslim families do dose not changes what rest 99% of them do and are obsessed about

more than 90% of muslim families even today think breed as many kids as you can to outbreed hindus in Hindustan ..... LAR KE LIYA THA PAKISTAN HASS KE LENGGE HINDUSTAN is there slogan /quomi narra after independence 3.5 corore muslims in 1947 today are well over 28 crore in india and some 6 crore extra illeagel bangladeshi and rohingyas

most muslims do not send there kids to schools or there drop rate out of schools is more than 60% after middle school cause they put there children in menial jobs like machenics or welders or other odd jbs so they eran extra for the family ... even most kids dont go t madarssa where they get free boarding and lodging and food for the same reason and this hapenns in pakistan too

then when they cry HUM GAREEB HO GAYE BJP/MODI KI WAJAH se wo BJP walle Humko naukriya nahi dette ....... but they forget to tell they are not qualified for any such jobs ... who are get the jobs

You speak of circumstances which I am not familiar with.

But I can tell you that fertility of Muslim and Hindu women aren't different between Bangladesh and India. So the trope of Muslim families having more children is basically fiction.

Bangladesh fertility rate (child borne per woman) is even lower than India in most cases. And is lower than replacement rate in most areas. So overall population in Bangladesh is in decline.

In India itself - most Hindu majority areas have high fertility rates - mostly in North Indian states like UP, Bihar, MP (basically cow belt BIMARU states with low rates of education).

The second map shows Bangladesh as well which is more recent.

 

[Guru Dutt]

You speak of circumstances which I am not familiar with.

But I can tell you that fertility of Muslim and Hindu women aren't different between Bangladesh and India. So the trope of Muslim families having more children is basically fiction.

Bangladesh fertility rate (child borne per woman) is even lower than India in most cases. And is lower than replacement rate in most areas. So overall population in Bangladesh is in decline.

In India itself - most Hindu majority areas have high fertility rates - mostly in North Indian states like UP, Bihar, MP (basically cow belt BIMARU states with low rates of education).

The second map shows Bangladesh as well which is more recent.

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well sure Hindus have had high fertility rate but even then you wont find more than 5 kids even in most so called backawrd so called hindu majority places so please

Muslims specially in Bangladesh had a quomi narra "machli khao aut khoob bachhe paida karro" which ws also ammusing even for many west pakistanies even in early 1960s and nothing has changed since

rather same obsession to over breed has come to Indian and pakistani muslims and when they cant fullfill demands of therefamily needs specially children there is frustation and desparation which leads to friction and often crime for which the muslims blame democracy and govt in power and to pacify them so called secular govts in past gave them freebies and even now giving them same while those like BJP who also tell them to get ducation and skills and try to give equal rights to there women muslims in india see them as enemies of islam ... if you can understan muslim imams oppostion to BJP after BJP started giving free education to all muslim girls till post graduation and ednding tripple talaq and hallalla and now wants uniform civil code


go and google and check for yourself what BJP govt has done in education for mulims in past 10 years while what all previous govts had done since independece and also google sachar comeetee report ...cheers mate

 

[Krishna with Flute]

fall of muslim in education and stutus is related to there over breeding obsession

it was OK to have ten or twelwe kids in times when 7-8 kids died before reaching there teen years but till 1970s with advanced medical and other atributes that infant mortality rate came down almost to 1/10th so still muslims kept doing it to breed out hindus

so when there were two guys both earning say 10000/- per month one had two kids other had 12 tell me the one who had 12 will he be able to give good education or proper food or clothing or things to all his kids just like the one who had just two kids with same income and it kept on repeating genration after genration while the Hindu or sikh genration jumped many points in income deu to education and better skills muslims lagged behind deu to no education or proper food and medical help for almost 70 years and today they blame every one else for there pathettic state than there own misplaced obsession .. funny isnt it 😉 😛

To make Muslim believe and practice any absurd thing, one need it to link with Islam irrespective of whether it is in line of Islam or not. Hire some Mullahs, pay them some money, get them issue Fatwa on the name of Islam and your work is done. It is very easy to be done provided you have some money and willingness to get it done.