[🇵🇰] We seriously need to look at the type of people Pakistan is exporting to other countries

[Egyptian]

Indian person gets agitated after Muslims call him out for not providing a source. He originally links random blogs and articles calling them 'sources' but then Muslims and others call him out by reading those articles that have nothing to do with the original picture @Mkesath posted. He then gets made and starts attacking Islam after failing to provide a source.

Always verify @Mkesath don't fall for propaganda against Muslims.

 

[Egyptian]

India leading source of Anti-Palestinian disinformation

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/16/analysis-why-is-so-much-anti-palestinian-disinformation-coming-from-india

defence.pk

This is common.

 

[Old School]

Indian person gets agitated after Muslims call him out for not providing a source. He originally links random blogs and articles calling them 'sources' but then Muslims and others call him out by reading those articles that have nothing to do with the original picture @Mkesath posted. He then gets made and starts attacking Islam after failing to provide a source.

Always verify @Mkesath don't fall for propaganda against Muslims.

At least in the forum, no one can get away with posting fabricated and unrelated stats. You need to address it to @ThunderCat and not @Mkesath .

 

[Mkesath]

India leading source of Anti-Palestinian disinformation

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/16/analysis-why-is-so-much-anti-palestinian-disinformation-coming-from-india

defence.pk

This is common.

thanks for exposing this, i had a feeling things were exaggerated with the German one. People used the tables made by this French "analyst" https://twitter.com/marc_vanguard to justify that graph
and his work feels off, so they probably to have an agenda however that graph did go viral and they used his tables as the "source" when i did ask for one.

see this tweet, he is obviously lying and source he states cant be traced back.
also the main source for that german graph ive been told are
https://t.co/e6jQWLObRH 2016
https://t.co/SJ8TTv9CTj 2017
https://t.co/MnuJAPB5et 2018
from this Startseite
website
although even according to this the Pakistani stats are severely exaggerated

 

[Mkesath]

The graph's source is from India from what I heard, I cannot find it anywhere else. Where is the original source?

it was most likely made by an anti islamic european. pajeets arent that capable

 

[Lulldapull]

I just find it hard to believe how obsessed the Indians are with Pakistan. We are so itty bitty now in front of their mighty $4 trillion economy bhai. They already took our eastern half. Now we are in a huge economic mess, but this Indian obsession with us is not ending. Actually it’s increasing! All offline YouTube Pakistan media is Indian funded and they make it sound like a do or die situation.

Can somebody tell me what do the Indians want from us? We are poor, defeated and bankrupt. What could they possibly gain from us ghareeb/ badbakht?…..

I’m sorry I’m just at a loss here cuz I can’t see any logic for this Indian obsession.

Hell we’ve even given up kashmir to them. Ab kya keerra hae Indians ko?

 

[Mkesath]

I just find it hard to believe how obsessed the Indians are with Pakistan. We are so itty bitty now in front of their mighty $4 trillion economy bhai. They already took our eastern half. Now we are in a huge economic mess, but this Indian obsession with us is not ending. Actually it’s increasing! All offline YouTube Pakistan media is Indian funded and they make it sound like a do or die situation.

Can somebody tell me what do the Indians want from us? We are poor, defeated and bankrupt. What could they possibly gain from us ghareeb/ badbakht?…..

I’m sorry I’m just at a loss here cuz I can’t see any logic for this Indian obsession.

Hell we’ve even given up kashmir to them. Ab kya keerra hae Indians ko?

they wont rest until all of pakistan is theirs

 

[Old School]

Make sure the discussion stays on this important main topic. India is not our focus, and it should not divert to India. If you want to discuss Indian propaganda, open a new thread.

 

[Lulldapull]

Pakistan’s migrant export to the west is good for the most part. I last read that out of the only 600k Pakistani in the US currently we have more than 30k doctors in medicare and more than a 100K engineers working in various industries. We also have a good 100k professionals in the finance industry and a big chunk of the total in IT. The remainder are in retail/ services, and the restaurant/ construction industries. We are a poor third world country. Our immigrants are very hard pressed to even reach US shores. EU is easy…..and we can clearly see the social class diff between our US migrants and the ones in the EU. Like I’ve said earlier our numbers are down to only 600k now. Rest of our 1 odd million migrants have long left due to the post 911 witch-hunt.

 

[Old School]

speaking of indian propoganda

EU Group Claims To Have Unearthed 15-Year-Old Indian Disinformation Operation

The operation targeted international institutions and served Indian interests primarily through resurrecting “dead media, dead think-tanks and NGOs”, the report by EU DisinfoLab says.

thewire.in

Fake Media Outlets on India Topics: EU DisinfoLab | YaleGlobal Online

archive-yaleglobal.yale.edu

EU NGO report uncovers Indian disinformation campaign

EU DisinfoLab’s report a ‘deep dive into a 15-year operation targeting the EU and UN to serve Indian interests’.

www.aljazeera.com

Indian Chronicles: deep dive into a 15-year operation targeting the EU and UN to serve Indian interests - EU DisinfoLab

by Gary Machado Alexandre Alaphilippe, Roman Adamczyk and Antoine Grégoire Following a preliminary investigation published in 2019, the EU DisinfoLab uncovered a massive operation targeting international institutions and serving Indian interests. “Indian Chronicles” – the name we gave to this...

www.disinfo.eu

but in this thread we should focus on the topic at hand
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There is a thread on that subject:
Thread 'Indian Troll Farms : A Booming Disinformation Business'
-Land - Indian Troll Farms : A Booming Disinformation Business

 

[Old School]

oh yes, i was going to make a thread on it but thought that its not really worth it, better to drop the links here for anyone interested but now remembering there is a thread, ill post it there

I wanted to keep away off topic items from this thread because people jump to off topic most. Off topic discussions have made some other forums nasty places for visitors.

 

[Lulldapull]

I wanted to keep away off topic items from this thread because people jump to off topic most. Off topic discussions have made some other forums nasty places for visitors.

I’ll try my best to be on topic. Yous right on dat…..no kidding.

 

[ThunderCat]

At least in the forum, no one can get away with posting fabricated and unrelated stats. You need to address it to @ThunderCat and not @Mkesath .

What did I post that requires addressing? I posted the stats regarding Germany. I already stated there is not guaranteeing it is true.

 

[ThunderCat]

Is this chart about crimes in general or about sexual crimes? This chart is also about asylum seekers per country only. It is not about Germany, though written in German. Please post the source link here rather than a screenshot.

The source was a reddit post. I already stated I don't know how true they are, just that someone did create it. Whoever they are:

 

[ThunderCat]

Let the law in those countries deal with them. As far reputation, there is nothing left. We are already in the top 10 worst passports ranking: The 10 Worst Passports in 2024 (And Why They’re So Bad)
There is one specific thing which is common in this ranking.

Exactly my thoughts since the past few months. I have stopped caring what foreigners think of us. It's impossible to convince them otherwise. We get hated for both legit and non-legit reasons.

The best thing to do about situations you cannot handle is to not care. I've seen Pakistanis on Reddit make apologetic posts to Turks for the behavior of Pakistanis in Turkey and I was considering making one myself, but no thanks. The Turks there get even more put off by such posts.

There was actually a couple of Turks who came to the old PDF and attacked Pakistanis for what they did. But the Pakistanis were unapologetic.

Foreigners also expect us to be apologetic for our human rights and the behavior of our countrymen. After condemning such behavior, I have nothing left to apologize for since I already condemned it and had nothing to do with it.

Also not meaning to scapegoat Afghans for our passport ranking, the fact is they seem to have a lot to do with it. They travel abroad on fake & real Pakistani passports illegally and commit crimes, adding insult to injury.

I also notice foreign Muslims commonly like to project their guilt onto us, even though we clearly are guilty for our own sins. But I have learned to become defiant and stop being so apologetic.

But as for me, I'm done caring for what foreigners think of my nationality. And it gives me huge relief. I seriously mean huge relief:

 

[Mkesath]

Exactly my thoughts since the past few months. I have stopped caring what foreigners think of us. It's impossible to convince them otherwise. We get hated for both legit and non-legit reasons.

The best thing to do about situations you cannot handle is to not care. I've seen Pakistanis on Reddit make apologetic posts to Turks for the behavior of Pakistanis in Turkey and I was considering making one myself, but no thanks. The Turks there get even more put off by such posts.

There was actually a couple of Turks who came to the old PDF and attacked Pakistanis for what they did. But the Pakistanis were unapologetic.

Foreigners also expect us to be apologetic for our human rights and the behavior of our countrymen. After condemning such behavior, I have nothing left to apologize for since I already condemned it and had nothing to do with it.

Also not meaning to scapegoat Afghans for our passport ranking, the fact is they seem to have a lot to do with it. They travel abroad on fake & real Pakistani passports illegally and commit crimes, adding insult to injury.

I also notice foreign Muslims commonly like to project their guilt onto us, even though we clearly are guilty for our own sins. But I have learned to become defiant and stop being so apologetic.

But as for me, I'm done caring for what foreigners think of my nationality. And it gives me huge relief. I seriously mean huge relief:

You're right to a point but we shouldn't be exporting or letting low class filth like that leave the borders, need mass education campaigns In this country. Right now we're a joke!

 

[Lulldapull]

You're right to a point but we shouldn't be exporting or letting low class filth like that leave the borders, need mass education campaigns In this country. Right now we're a joke!

Man last year on my trip to that third world bolton the air port taxi driver was one of our esteemed countryman, and he just poured his heart out on why we should form an Al-Qaeda Kaliphate with IK sahb as its Ameer ul momineen..... .......main uss nu ghanttay samjhaya k ae kabhi ne hona! my ghaaddh he was so passionate that he himself wanted to be vazir of this mythical Kaliphate.....It was hilarious but this is how our community is in the UK bhai. He actually believed that IK goin come back and the whole muslim world goin unite behind him and we'll become a superpower......

 

[Mkesath]

Man last year on my trip to that third world bolton the air port taxi driver was one of our esteemed countryman, and he just poured his heart out on why we should form an Al-Qaeda Kaliphate with IK sahb as its Ameer ul momineen..... .......main uss nu ghanttay samjhaya k ae kabhi ne hona! my ghaaddh he was so passionate that he himself wanted to be vazir of this mythical Kaliphate.....It was hilarious but this is how our community is in the UK bhai. He actually believed that IK goin come back and the whole muslim world goin unite behind him and we'll become a superpower......

must be a british pakistani or a mirpuri lol, but like oldschool said, this has nothing to do with the thread

 

[Lulldapull]

must be a british pakistani or a mirpuri lol, but like oldschool said, this has nothing to do with the thread

its just a sad reality of our UK community. I don't know what world they livin in bhai. And this is what we have exported to the UK.

 

[Egyptian]

@Old School

The reason India keeps being brought up here is because of this image linked by @Mkesath

It is been proven to be a fake Indian article that targets Islam & Pakistanis/other Muslims. The names are all wrong in German and it was taken from a fake blog website.

 

[ThunderCat]

You're right to a point but we shouldn't be exporting or letting low class filth like that leave the borders, need mass education campaigns In this country. Right now we're a joke!

Many of them move illegally. Nobody would legally allow them in. Not to mention plenty of Afghans also travel on Pakistani documentation.

The FIA has agents dispatched to track down these criminals and catch them. That's the best we can do.

You can forget mass education campaign here. In this country "education" means being an Angolophone, nothing more.

 

[Old School]

@Old School

The reason India keeps being brought up here is because of this image linked by @Mkesath

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It is been proven to be a fake Indian article that targets Islam & Pakistanis/other Muslims. The names are all wrong in German and it was taken from a fake blog website.

This is how a thread gets derailed by bringing up Indian, Iranian or a sectarian issues. it did not even require an Indian member to derail a Pakistani thread. Pakistani members copy pasted Indian propaganda. How about if that fake screenshot was deleted at the first sight yesterday?

 

[Egyptian]

This is how a thread gets derailed by bringing up Indian, Iranian or a sectarian issues. it did not even require an Indian member to derail a Pakistani thread. Pakistani members copy pasted Indian propaganda. How about if that fake screenshot was deleted at the first sight yesterday?

The point is that the source linked in the original post is inaccurate - but Indian propaganda. So the premises of this thread fall apart.

 

[Old School]

The point is that the source linked in the original post is inaccurate - but Indian propaganda. So the premises of this thread fall apart.

When you publicly copy paste Indian propaganda, you are technically helping the Indians spread their propaganda. This is ABC of propaganda technique.

 

[Egyptian]

When you publicly copy paste Indian propaganda, you are technically helping the Indians spread their propaganda. This is ABC of propaganda technique.

Yes - that's the entire point. This thread started with false Indian propaganda. In the end, it should be limited or locked because the source is inaccurate You cannot shutdown people talking about & exposing the Indian link otherwise.

 

[Old School]

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