[🇵🇰] Will Pakistan ever function as a secular state?

[Mustafa.Iq]

Jinnah the lover of liberalism, the creator of the Dominion of Pakistan, was out there pushing for sharia law according to you

Don't know where you are getting your crap from.
Yes Jinnah was influenced by British political Liberalism.

But Jinnah does not mention anywhere the word "liberalism" or "secularism" in his speeches. nice try though.

but Jinnah mentions Islamic Socialism and Islamic Democracy.

 

[Mustafa.Iq]

You must be reading books written by indians

And why would Pakistan movement care about Buddhists, Christians, Sikhs, Parsis?

Sorry mate, I read Pakistani accredited books and Western books by Stanley Wolpert and Hector Bolitho. Also by William S. Metz.

 

[MuHayMin]

Don't know where you are getting your crap from.
Yes Jinnah was influenced by British political Liberalism.

But Jinnah does not mention anywhere the word "liberalism" or "secularism" in his speeches. nice try though.

but Jinnah mentions Islamic Socialism and Islamic Democracy.

“…we will be the democratic type, embodying the essential principles of Islam. Today, they are as applicable in actual life as they were 1300 years ago. Islam and its idealism have taught us democracy. It has taught equality of man, justice and fair play to everybody. We are inheritors of these glorious traditions and are fully alive to our responsibilities and obligations as framers of the future constitution of Pakistan. In any case Pakistan is not going to be theocratic state — to be ruled by priests with a divine mission. We have many non-Muslims — Hindus, Christians and Parsis — but they are all Pakistanis. They will enjoy the same rights and privileges as any other citizens and will play their rightful part in the affairs of Pakistan.”

— Jinnah’s address to the people of the United States (21 February 1948)

 

[Mustafa.Iq]

You must be reading books written by indians

I have read this one too, this book debunks the secular Jinnah myth spread by Indians and some Western scholars to weaken Pakistan's identity.

If Jinnah was so secular and liberal, why join the Muslim league and fight for the Muslim's case. Saleena Karim Baji pretty debunks the Secular Jinnah Myth.

 

[MuHayMin]

And why would Pakistan movement care about Buddhists, Christians, Sikhs, Parsis?

Sorry mate, I read Pakistani accredited books and Western books by Stanley Wolpert and Hector Bolitho. Also by William S. Metz.
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Wouldn't they care about any pakistani? You know someone living there in his native land?

 

[Mustafa.Iq]

Wouldn't they care about any pakistani? You know someone living there in his native land?

Are you an illiterate? These are some of the best western scholars on Muslim history, and you simply ignore them.

Now I am starting to think you are Indian educated. lol.

 

[MuHayMin]

I have read this one too, this book debunks the secular Jinnah myth spread by Indians and some Western scholars to weaken Pakistan's identity.

If Jinnah was so secular and liberal, why join the Muslim league and fight for the Muslim's case. Saleena Karim Baji pretty debunks the Secular Jinnah Myth.
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Every one of you, no matter to what community he belongs, no matter what relations he had with you in the past, no matter what is his colour, caste, or creed, is first, second, and last a citizen of this state with equal rights, privileges, and obligations, there will be no end to the progress you will make. […] You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place or worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed — that has nothing to do with the business of the state.

— Jinnah’s address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan (11 August 1947)

 

[MuHayMin]

You keep dismissing the quotes I reply to you

Are you an illiterate? These are some of the best western scholars on Muslim history, and you simply ignore them.

Now I am starting to think you are Indian educated. lol.