[🇮🇳] No surprise Pakistan sounded for ceasefire’: Air war historian Tom Cooper says conflict 'clear-cut victory' for India

[Vsdoc]

Yup, the aisa ho hi ni sakta sentiment is particularly is strong.

One isn't compromising their patriotism of love for country any if there is an acknowledgement of yes aisa hua hai hamare saath lol

What I still don't have clarity on is if we lost any jets, if so, how many, which ones ? Har taraf se alag alag cheez log saying, koi keh ra 0 losses, some are saying yes maybe 2 - 3 went down.. dunno who to believe.

Why dont you ask the Pakistanis or any half decent military power on the planet, what they would have preferred?

Jets knocked down.

Or bombing the crap out of the nerve centers of the enemy military.

Ask Russians and Ukranians. Would they take the attack pn the Moskva and the nuclear heavy bombers, or what has been done to Ukraine.

 

[Sharma Ji]

You are a banya masquerading as a bamman.

Confirmed.

One should question everything, doc

Skeptic and Cynic me antar hota hai

 

[Sharma Ji]

Why dont you ask the Pakistanis or any half decent military power on the planet, what they would have preferred?

Jets knocked down.

Or bombing the crap out of the nerve centers of the enemy military.

Ask Russians and Ukranians. Would they take the attack pn the Moskva and the nuclear heavy bombers, or what has been done to Ukraine.

Take the smaller hit of course.

So you're saying we did lose some in the air ?

 

[Vsdoc]

Take the smaller hit of course.

So you're saying we did lose some in the air ?

I don't know.

But I'm pragmatic enough to see the bigger picture.

Bhai you realise we are fighting a nuclear power?

The world's 7th strongest military?

They not DRC Congo bro ...

 

[Suresh Naresh]

I don't know.

But I'm pragmatic enough to see the bigger picture.

Bhai you realise we are fighting a nuclear power?

The world's 7th strongest military?

They not DRC Congo bro ...

Why isn't Indian military admitting that some loss happened? If there is no admission, what's the difference between Indian military and Pakistan military?

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[Krishna with Flute]

Why isn't Indian military admitting that some loss happened? If there is no admission, what's the difference between Indian military and Pakistan military?

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Loses are admitted but number of aircraft lost is not revealed yet.It will happen once the Operation Sindoor is officially declared over.

 

[Lulldapull]

Why isn't Indian military admitting that some loss happened? If there is no admission, what's the difference between Indian military and Pakistan military?

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Haan auntie…..3 decoy drone gira diye aap k hum nay….

Mashallah no?

 

[Vsdoc]

Why isn't Indian military admitting that some loss happened? If there is no admission, what's the difference between Indian military and Pakistan military?

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I don't know either way.

Did we lose something?

Why are we not admitting?

Again I repeat. This is war. The single focus is to destroy the enemy. If not defeat. To hurt the enemy. To kill the enemy.

Unless we fight from behind a protective shield, we will be hit too.

Look at Russia versus Ukraine. Do you need a better example?

This is the reason military people hate defence forums. Fighting a war is ugly. No one recognises that more than a soldier.

The serving guys you see on the OG forum and now JC, are there doing a job. Not there voluntarily.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

Haan auntie…..3 decoy drone gira diye aap k hum nay….

Mashallah no?

Pakistan and China never loses any war. The reason being they don't consider their own losses. They will always talk the losses of enemy. Dozens of their aircrafts shot down, 11 of their air bases demolished, their air defence totally destroyed. 9 of their terrorist camp blown to dust, their command center hit, their nuclear storage sites destroyed yet they won the war because they shot down couple of so called enemy planes whose proofs are not with them. They rang in mid night and begged for ceasefire. When their offer was accepted, they declared their own victory. It seems that Pakistanis have learned this art from their 4 ft masters..

 

[Suresh Naresh]

Pakistan and China never loses any war. The reason being they don't consider their own losses. They will always talk the losses of enemy. Dozens of their aircrafts shot down, 11 of their air bases demolished, their air defence totally destroyed. 9 of their terrorist camp blown to dust, their command center hit, their nuclear storage sites destroyed yet they won the war because they shot down couple of so called enemy planes whose proofs are not with them. They rang in mid night and begged for ceasefire. When their offer was accepted, they declared their own victory. It seems that Pakistanis have learned thisvart from their 4 ft masters..

But when have Chinese done this? Now I remember. The Doklam standoff in 2017 when they would issue daily warnings for 2 months. The 2020 Galwan clash.

But Pakistanis need not learn this from Chinese. They did this way back in 1965. They were out to take Kashmir but ended up defending Lahore.

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[Vsdoc]

But when have Chinese done this? Now I remember. The Doklam standoff in 2017 when they would issue daily warnings for 2 months. The 2020 Galwan clash.

But Pakistanis need not learn this from Chinese. They did this way back in 1965. They were out to take Kashmir but ended up defending Lahore.

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Pakistan is an artificial state that is a forced collection of warring feudal tribes thrown together in a loose administrative and military union.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Pakistan is an artificial state that is a forced collection of warring feudal tribes thrown together in a loose administrative and military union.

Afghans, basically ?

 

[Vsdoc]

Afghans, basically ?

Afghans are more of a historical state than Pakistan is.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Afghans are more of a historical state than Pakistan is.

Tajik, Uzbek, Pashto, Hazara.. aren't these the 4 main distinct groups there ?

I know very little, will do some googling on the origins of Afghanistan the mulk.

 

[Vsdoc]

Tajik, Uzbek, Pashto, Hazara.. aren't these the 4 main distinct groups there ?

I know very little, will do some googling on the origins of Afghanistan the mulk.

Its been a state, in the form of an empire, for much of the mediaeval period.

Pakistan is bits and pieces of the cleave planes, carved out by British machination and presence.

75 years, and max 250 before that.

 

[Jiangnan]

Pakistan and China never loses any war. The reason being they don't consider their own losses. They will always talk the losses of enemy. Dozens of their aircrafts shot down, 11 of their air bases demolished, their air defence totally destroyed. 9 of their terrorist camp blown to dust, their command center hit, their nuclear storage sites destroyed yet they won the war because they shot down couple of so called enemy planes whose proofs are not with them. They rang in mid night and begged for ceasefire. When their offer was accepted, they declared their own victory. It seems that Pakistanis have learned thisvart from their 4 ft masters..

A bunch of nonsense. Let's see 2 feet low Indians kneel down and surrender

 

[Jiangnan]

But when have Chinese done this? Now I remember. The Doklam standoff in 2017 when they would issue daily warnings for 2 months. The 2020 Galwan clash.

But Pakistanis need not learn this from Chinese. They did this way back in 1965. They were out to take Kashmir but ended up defending Lahore.

@Sharma Ji @Vsdoc @Paitoo @Guru Dutt @Lulldapull @Krishna with Flute @Dogun18 @Mrloveday @Cryptonian @Mainerik @Bilal9

Then the Indians knelt down and surrendered.

Perhaps Indians must kneel down to understand our human language.

 

[Jiangnan]

Why are Indians only 2 feet low? And weak?

Because when China subdued the Asian basketball court. The Chinese can't really see where the Indians are.

We want 2 feet low indian to stand on a chair for us humans to see

 

[Lulldapull]

It’s become rather apparent now that Pakistan does not have the weaponry nor the will to confront India.

This last conflagration was all the proof we needed.

Pakistan has refrained from retaliation as much as possible because it can’t!

Pakistan does not have neither the economic heft nor the weaponry to retaliate.

Regular people are now beginning to accept and digest this uncomfortable reality.

 

[Suresh Naresh]

It’s become rather apparent now that Pakistan does not have the weaponry nor the will to confront India.

This last conflagration was all the proof we needed.

Pakistan has refrained from retaliation as much as possible because it can’t!

Pakistan does not have neither the economic heft nor the weaponry to retaliate.

Regular people are now beginning to accept and digest this uncomfortable reality.

Say something new. Even jamahir, PAKISTANFOREVER and I are not so repetitive.

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