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Unless one has powerful SEAD capabilities, there is not really any logic in investing in the airforce in the present day. Building robust air-denial capabilities should be the focus. Current war in Ukraine has exposed many myths about air force.
 
Aryobarzan said:
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As you already know, the SU-35s were initially manufactured for the Egyptian Air Force. If Russia were to transfer them to Iran, they would need a reasonable amount of time to customize and rebrand the planes. Additionally, Iranian pilots would require rigorous training to learn how to operate the Su-35s. This would lead to further delays in the delivery schedule.
 
Old School said:
As you already know, the SU-35s were initially manufactured for the Egyptian Air Force. If Russia were to transfer them to Iran, they would need a reasonable amount of time to customize and rebrand the planes. Additionally, Iranian pilots would require rigorous training to learn how to operate the Su-35s. This would lead to further delays in the delivery schedule.
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There is a new angel to Russian and Chinese relationship with Iran that I am seeing in some commentators discussion...in short China refuses to invest in Iran three years after signing the 400 billion MOU because they view current Islamic Regim too unstable and believe the next Government system in Iran will be pro-west ..I wonder if such views are talked about in Russia..what will happen to their SU 35 if Iran' next goverment is back in the Western camp...just thinking out of the box !!!.
 
Aryobarzan said:
There is a new angel to Russian and Chinese relationship with Iran that I am seeing in some commentators discussion...in short China refuses to invest in Iran three years after signing the 400 billion MOU because they view current Islamic Regim too unstable and believe the next Government system in Iran will be pro-west ..I wonder if such views are talked about in Russia..what will happen to their SU 35 if Iran' next goverment is back in the Western camp...just thinking out of the box !!!.
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You know the Iranian revolution 1979 was engineered by the Soviets with Iranian leftists. Later Khamenei hijacked it from the leftists and killed them. Therefore, Russia doesn't trust the mullahs and their relationship is more of convenience. Russia is counting on the Iranian secular anti-west groups who are among the Iranian students and intellectual class. I believe the next Iranian secular government will not be so much pro-west but rather independent
 
Old School said:
You know the Iranian revolution 1979 was engineered by the Soviets with Iranian leftists. Later Khamenei hijacked it from the leftists and killed them. Therefore, Russia doesn't trust the mullahs and their relationship is more of convenience. Russia is counting on the Iranian secular anti-west groups who are among the Iranian students and intellectual class. I believe the next Iranian secular government will not be so much pro-west but rather independent
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You are correct about 1979 events.. I was there as a young engineer arrived from Canada working Shah military industries ..Khomeini indeed hijacked the revolution..

As I look at the young crowds on the streets today they wants modern life style of western society . Yes Russians will try to keep mullahs in power as long as they could but they have sensed the flood for a change is unavoidable... I agree that the next government will be more independent than shah but for this young generation Western pull is too strong to resist...and Iran will need lots of investment to catch up for the past 45 years especially in the oil/gas and mining sectors..China will be there also to compete.. all that is left is for Iranians to boot the mullahs in the trash can..lol
 
Aryobarzan said:
You are correct about 1979 events.. I was there as a young engineer arrived from Canada working Shah military industries ..Khomeini indeed hijacked the revolution..

As I look at the young crowds on the streets today they wants modern life style of western society . Yes Russians will try to keep mullahs in power as long as they could but they have sensed the flood for a change is unavoidable... I agree that the next government will be more independent than shah but for this young generation Western pull is too strong to resist...and Iran will need lots of investment to catch up for the past 45 years especially in the oil/gas and mining sectors..China will be there also to compete.. all that is left is for Iranians to boot the mullahs in the trash can..lol
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Iran will open up its economy and today's west do not have much money anyway for overseas investments except in the service sector like insurance, banking etc. China will become the biggest investor. Secular Iran probably will set new modern lifestyle standard for the West as majority in the west live pay check to pay check.
 
TheNewb77 said:


@LegionnairE The JF-17 with Turkish Sub systems would give the Iranians a leeway into Turkish technology, no?
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I've been suggesting this for over 10 years, that Iran needs an air force and it can be best built with JF-17.

So we discussed this a million times and the conclusion Iranians always came to was that Pakistan wouldn't sell.


Not only they would have to convince Pakistan and China, they need to convince Russia for the RD-33 engines and Turkey for whatever subsystems they want.
There's no way Iranian state can do diplomacy at this scale.


Last year they were saying that Iran was getting Su-35s and instead they got 2 Yak-130s and nothing more. I see this news as more hot air from Iran. Nothing will happen.
 
@PakistanProud

Every time I log into this site, its design is somehow fucked with. I can't for the life of me figure out why you can't make up your mind on this.

Defence.pk had the same design for nearly 20 years and nobody complained about it pkdefense can't last 20 days without something changing without asking any of the users.

It's really sad. How much longer will this continue?
 
Here's the glorious Qaher F313, Iranian 5th gen fighter. Now it's an RC plane apparently.

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I fcking hate these bearded clowns.
 
LegionnairE said:
Here's the glorious Qaher F313, Iranian 5th gen fighter. Now it's an RC plane apparently.

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I fcking hate these bearded clowns.
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I said from the start their 313 looks like a teeny tiny hobby turbine powered RC

This scale model does seem to have a bit more detail with the fake panel lines, they no proper hatches to get to electricals etc, those are just panel lines like on a scale model.

tsk tsk.

waiting on @Lulldapull 's rabid defense of this joke 🤡

:LOL:
 
Sharma Ji said:
I said from the start their 313 looks like a teeny tiny hobby turbine powered RC

This scale model does seem to have a bit more detail with the fake panel lines, they no proper hatches to get to electricals etc, those are just panel lines like on a scale model.

tsk tsk.

waiting on @Lulldapull 's rabid defense of this joke 🤡

:LOL:
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Its running on AI now. Just like their multi purpose Karrar drone. Except this thing will eventually evolve into a LO platform.

 
LegionnairE said:
Are you not embarrassed to show off this 1970s junk like it's new?
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I don't see how its 'junk'.......90% of its functions are either automated or on AI.

Its small so defacto stealthy.

Does 500 knots and flies a 1000 km's radius.

Carries either a manpad or a sidewinder slung underneath or a Mk-82 in bomber role.

Performs multiple roles with a fraction of the costs of maintaining a fighter jet.
 
@LegionnairE @Sharma Ji
Its ova guys.......I couldn't pay yous enuff to go sit in a tank or fly an F-16 today.......You would refuse my offer! no matter da amount.......cuz youz wan live no?

Iran's far ahead of both India or Turkey in defense technology and doctrine. Unlike yous, them Iranis figured out this gimmick decades ago:
 
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Lulldapull said:
@LegionnairE @Sharma Ji
I couldn't pay yous enuff to go sit in a tank or fly an F-16 today.......You would refuse my offer! no matter da amount.......cuz youz wan live no?

Iran's far ahead of both India or Turkey in defense technology and doctrine. Unlike yous, them Iranis figured out this gimmick decades ago:
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No, man. Drones have added a new dimension to the battlefield but have not made all else obsolete.
 
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They're much better placed than Saddam's Iraq to entrench themselves well and make life absolute hell for an invading land force, woh toh hai, bhai.

Iraq, Fallujah etcwere but a small trailer, some of the fiercest fighting this century, maybe the most !

but in the air, it'll be what the Americans call a "Turkey Shoot"

air force hi nahi hai, or barely si hai.. achaar daal lo 10 12 sukhoi 30s ka and even with decent AD.. their AD will be knocked out before they're swarmed, desert storm style..
 
Norman Schwarzkopf and General Horner.

F35 been tested against some Iranian/Russian AD in Syria already, regular 4.5 also did well despite the real A2G threats, Ijrael also bombed Syria with F16s.

Iran ka bura haal ho jayega in conventional war, and decades of instability will follow, brutal scene.. tauba tauba

they should make deal with Trump
 
Lulldapull said:
I don't see how its 'junk'.......90% of its functions are either automated or on AI.

Its small so defacto stealthy.

Does 500 knots and flies a 1000 km's radius.

Carries either a manpad or a sidewinder slung underneath or a Mk-82 in bomber role.

Performs multiple roles with a fraction of the costs of maintaining a fighter jet.
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it's not "stealthy" LMFAO :ROFLMAO:

it's a 1970s American target drone. TARGET DRONE. It's designed to be shot at :D

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it's so old it's literally a museum piece right now
 
LegionnairE said:
it's not "stealthy" LMFAO :ROFLMAO:

it's a 1970s American target drone. TARGET DRONE. It's designed to be shot at :D

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it's so old it's literally a museum piece right now
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I'd take a sqd of Karrar drones instead of an F-16 today tbh.......

At least they'd destroy something valuable.......100%......as opposed to the $30 million F-16 getting downed with no wins.

Its very simple math.

Iranian drones are the only thing Imam Putin uses offensively now to cause damage in Ukraine, cuz legacy weapons don't work or are impractical from a cost prohibitive pov.
 
Sharma Ji said:
They're much better placed than Saddam's Iraq to entrench themselves well and make life absolute hell for an invading land force, woh toh hai, bhai.

Iraq, Fallujah etcwere but a small trailer, some of the fiercest fighting this century, maybe the most !

but in the air, it'll be what the Americans call a "Turkey Shoot"

air force hi nahi hai, or barely si hai.. achaar daal lo 10 12 sukhoi 30s ka and even with decent AD.. their AD will be knocked out before they're swarmed, desert storm style..
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Man yous got no clue what yous sayin.......lol

If Iran was such a cake walk, they'd a long overrun it decades ago.

All US bases in the GCC will be gone along with all the oil infra, west of the Persian Gulf, along wid da western economies.

Iran will shut down Hormuz aur aap ka baap (humreeka) kuchh ne karsakta phir.
 
Lulldapull said:
Man yous got no clue what yous sayin.......lol

If Iran was such a cake walk, they'd a long overrun it decades ago.

All US bases in the GCC will be gone along with all the oil infra, west of the Persian Gulf, along wid da western economies.

Iran will shut down Hormuz aur aap ka baap (humreeka) kuchh ne karsakta phir.
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You're greatly overestimating them, yet again.

Abhi ek ek kar k, their wings/reach in the region have been snipped.. ekdum strategically first they getting rid of all Iranian proxies.

Aaney waali hai unki baari, but they'll be offered a deal by Sultand Trumpuddin, k accept Palestinian expulsion and no make war, stand in the corner and do yes sir yes sir 🫡

like the Gulfies (who are pretending for now to oppose it)

Sanctions relief mil jayegi, paisa, good life.. enjoyment karo type deal.

I hope they make that deal, fvck these useless Palestinians.. they're just an excuse to channel that rage on the Jew anyway, pawns, becharey.

Dekho kya hota... US and regional allies can do a LOT of damage in case of war, even without a ground invasion.
 

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