[🇦🇫] Pakistan watches with caution as old ally Taliban gets closer to India

[Mainerik]

Oh bhai the US almost 2 decade stay in Afghanistan has poisoned the minds of Pashto speakers too. We naively believed that only the badmash Kabuli's hated us.

Now the Afghani pashto mind is also poisoned.

Thanks to humreeka!

This mindset is and was long before the US.

 

[steppeWolff]

There is just no reaction time bro against India.

Our airdefence did quite good.

4-5 Brahmos shot down in Sialkot sector, 1 in Malir, 1 Hammer in Lahore, 1 in Jacobabad and many others etc.
But the nature of saturation attacks is such that there always would be some missiles that would get through. Even the much vaunted Israeli AD got breached.

Our ABs didn't get much damage apart from runway damages ( that can be repaired in some hours ) and a damaged C130 from shrapnel which would easily get repaired too.

And all this is despite PAF having only one battery of HQ9BE. We need more long range SAMs from China, HQ19 is coming. Farooqbhai on PDF told that GIDS LOMADS is already ready. That would further strengthen our GBADs network.

And another factor is, our GBAD network started to get developed in AM Sidhus time which is 3 years till now. So its actually a massive progress.

We gotta move all our military infra/ Surveillance deep into KPK/ Balochistan, way west of the indus.

100% agreed.

We need the Iranian model of bases underneath mountains and we have quite expansive mountains from North to South, west of Indus.

 

[Mainerik]

Our airdefence did quite good.

4-5 Brahmos shot down in Sialkot sector, 1 in Malir, 1 Hammer in Lahore, 1 in Jacobabad and many others etc.
But the nature of saturation attacks is such that there always would be some missiles that would get through. Even the much vaunted Israeli AD got breached.

Our ABs didn't get much damage apart from runway damages ( that can be repaired in some hours ) and a damaged C130 from shrapnel which would easily get repaired too.

And all this is despite PAF having only one battery of HQ9BE. We need more long range SAMs from China, HQ19 is coming. Farooqbhai on PDF told that GIDS LOMADS is already ready. That would further strengthen our GBADs network.

And another factor is, our GBAD network started to get developed in AM Sidhus time which is 3 years till now. So its actually a massive progress.

100% agreed.

We need the Iranian model of bases underneath mountains and we have quite expansive mountains from North to South, west of Indus.

@Krishna with Flute do you still deny this?

 

[steppeWolff]

They were the only country not ro recognize Pakistan in 1947

I know that. That wasn't out of hatred but cause of the issue of durand line.

You can google declassified CIA documents from 1960s, there even was talks between Ayub Khan and Afghan King to form a joint confederations of states. So there is that.

Its a long mix bag of history. In 1980s to early 2000s, Pakistan was very popular in Afghanistan. It changed after we gave NATO the supply route via Karachi Torkham into Afghanistan and airbases like Shamsi, Jacobabad etc.

But I think both sides need to settle issues and they are. In recent trilateral meetings in China, Afghanistan is getting integrated in CPEC and Pakistan and Afghanistan are drafting rail agreements too as we speak. All of that getting implemented is another issue considering the track records.

greater loy Afghanistan.

Most sensible Afghan Pashtuns know it isnt happening. Only if Pakistan alienates its own Pashtuns in some unprecedented way.

Afghanistan isnt Pashtun majority. Pakistan has the largest number of Pashtuns on planet and majority of those wants to do nothing with Afghanistan. The reason Afghans call them "Gul Khans" cause they are patriotic to Pakistan instead of Loy Afghanistan.

 

[Lulldapull]

Our airdefence did quite good.

4-5 Brahmos shot down in Sialkot sector, 1 in Malir, 1 Hammer in Lahore, 1 in Jacobabad and many others etc.
But the nature of saturation attacks is such that there always would be some missiles that would get through. Even the much vaunted Israeli AD got breached.

Our ABs didn't get much damage apart from runway damages ( that can be repaired in some hours ) and a damaged C130 from shrapnel which would easily get repaired too.

And all this is despite PAF having only one battery of HQ9BE. We need more long range SAMs from China, HQ19 is coming. Farooqbhai on PDF told that GIDS LOMADS is already ready. That would further strengthen our GBADs network.

And another factor is, our GBAD network started to get developed in AM Sidhus time which is 3 years till now. So its actually a massive progress.

100% agreed.

We need the Iranian model of bases underneath mountains and we have quite expansive mountains from North to South, west of Indus.

A hundred IAF warplanes flew the 500 mile long and 20 mile wide race track/ figure 8 circuit 50 miles inside the IB, and when our AD was degraded is when they volley launched multiple missiles.

They kept doing this until ran out of missiles.

We had no counter to this.

They are learning from the IDF.

 

[steppeWolff]

@Krishna with Flute do you still deny this?

He's an Indian. Their own Chief of Defence Staff ( CDS ) agreed on live TV that their jets got shot down. And Bhakts were calling him stupid and now are manipulating his words.

Bhakt = *&*&*&*&*&*&.

 

[steppeWolff]

A hundred IAF warplanes flew the 500 mile long and 20 mile wide race track/ figure 8 circuit 50 miles inside the IB, and when our AD was degraded is when they volley launched multiple missiles.

They kept doing this until ran out of missiles.

We had no counter to this.

They are learning from the IDF.

If our AD was degraded, you still gotta give props to our AD that they shot down majority of missiles and soft killing of majority of drones.

India was going for maximum damage. The number of missiles and drones is testament to that. But the damage was minimum at that is testament to our AD.

 

[Lulldapull]

If our AD was degraded, you still gotta give props to our AD that they shot down majority of missiles and soft killing of majority of drones.

India was going for maximum damage. The number of missiles and drones is testament to that. But the damage was minimum at that is testament to our AD.

They used Harops/ Harpy's supplied by Israel to degrade our AD first.....then volley launched the Scalps, Brahmos and Rampage.

Same as the Syria playbook with heavy ECM/ jamming.

In ko Israel train kar ra hae.

Bilal bhai (Quwa) has done a huge assessment of this entire skirmish.

Our short comings/ failures/ damage incurred/ suggestions/ recommendations/ conclusion.

I'll ask him to post his report because its paid subscription/ pay per view.

Don't know if he will appreciate posting it here without permission.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

@Krishna with Flute do you still deny this?

When you couldn't shoot down cheap drones hitting none other than those S**y Chinese AD systems, how could you shoot down Brahmos.
In first major attack, we targetted 9 terrorist camps with our missiles and glide bombs. We fired 23 of them with calibrated warheads. All of them hit targets. In next phase, we took Pakistani Air defence out with cheap drone strike. With what did Pakistan shoot down Brahmos? With the fart of Moonira or with the fart of Shahbaz Sharif?

 

[steppeWolff]

how could you shoot down Brahmos.

Enough evidence of Brahmos debris on X and other social media. Go see it. No one is gonna spoom feed you.

When you couldn't shoot down cheap jets

Your top of the line Rafales got butchered. Indian Armed Forces's CDS is on record to agreeing plus tons of debris videos floating around. Again go see it, no one is gonna spoon feed you.

About your harpy drones, they were falling like bricks from sky. Literally videos of farmers in Lahore shooting down one with their Kalashinkovs.

No one from Pakistan is saying some missiles didn't hit, but there is literally no evidence of substantial damage apart from runways with some holes, a slightly damaged C130.

Can you the say the same after losing billions $$ worth of jets?

 

[steppeWolff]

They used Harops/ Harpy's supplied by Israel to degrade our AD first.....then volley launched the Scalps, Brahmos and Rampage.

Same as the Syria playbook with heavy ECM/ jamming.

In ko Israel train kar ra hae.

Bilal bhai (Quwa) has done a huge assessment of this entire skirmish.

Our short comings/ failures/ damage incurred/ suggestions/ recommendations/ conclusion.

I'll ask him to post his report because its paid subscription/ pay per view.

Don't know if he will appreciate posting it here without permission.

Yes please. Post the analysis or the snippets so we can further talk about it in the relevant thread.

 

[Vsdoc]

From Chitral to Chaman, people on both sides are the same and daily crossover. Tajiks of Badakshan and Khos of Chitral are very close with each other, people of North Balochistan and South Afghanistan ( Kandhar, Helmand ) are same. Same tribes, same dialects etc.

People are the same. And do not recognise the border made by an alien, where a lot of their contiguous land got artificially joined to Indic lands (and more importantly, people, in numerical and socio-political dominance) in the formation of an artificial rump state.

Poori baat bataya karo.

 

[Vsdoc]

Did you not see the amount of support half of them gave to India to overrun us during our latest issue?

"Our"

@Lulldapull LOL

 

[Vsdoc]

I know that. That wasn't out of hatred but cause of the issue of durand line.

You can google declassified CIA documents from 1960s, there even was talks between Ayub Khan and Afghan King to form a joint confederations of states. So there is that.

Its a long mix bag of history. In 1980s to early 2000s, Pakistan was very popular in Afghanistan. It changed after we gave NATO the supply route via Karachi Torkham into Afghanistan and airbases like Shamsi, Jacobabad etc.

But I think both sides need to settle issues and they are. In recent trilateral meetings in China, Afghanistan is getting integrated in CPEC and Pakistan and Afghanistan are drafting rail agreements too as we speak. All of that getting implemented is another issue considering the track records.

Most sensible Afghan Pashtuns know it isnt happening. Only if Pakistan alienates its own Pashtuns in some unprecedented way.

Afghanistan isnt Pashtun majority. Pakistan has the largest number of Pashtuns on planet and majority of those wants to do nothing with Afghanistan. The reason Afghans call them "Gul Khans" cause they are patriotic to Pakistan instead of Loy Afghanistan.

Gul Khan is equivalent to Jaichand in India.

My friend Pathan Bhai told me that.

 

[Vsdoc]

If our AD was degraded, you still gotta give props to our AD that they shot down majority of missiles and soft killing of majority of drones.

India was going for maximum damage. The number of missiles and drones is testament to that. But the damage was minimum at that is testament to our AD.

I won't call you a Pakistani bhakt.

But there sure is a lot of chooran in your system.

Have you visited Kirana Hills (Have Eyes) lately?

Don't.

 

[steppeWolff]

People are the same. And do not recognise the border made by an alien, where a lot of their contiguous land got artificially joined to Indic lands (and more importantly, people, in numerical and socio-political dominance) in the formation of an artificial rump state.

Poori baat bataya karo

Those people want nothing to with Afghanistan. Borders are already open for free movement so no one cares apart from nationalists who are two few in numbers. I can go to my ancestral village by just driving an SUV across the border. Its too different from you think.

 

[steppeWolff]

I won't call you a Pakistani bhakt.

But there sure is a lot of chooran in your system.

Have you visited Kirana Hills (Have Eyes) lately?

Don't.

Kirana didn't get damaged apart from some craters on the road leading to it. Told me by eyewitness who lives there is a colleague.

India ofcourse was successful to hit alot of places but the damage didn't justify the amount of munitions fired.

Pakistani nuclear systems are spread across the length of country with multiple redundancies. So alot of bhakts saying that India has somehow neutralized the Pakistani nuclear capability is intellectual dishonesty.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

Enough evidence of Brahmos debris on X and other social media. Go see it. No one is gonna spoom feed you.

Your top of the line Rafales got butchered. Indian Armed Forces's CDS is on record to agreeing plus tons of debris videos floating around. Again go see it, no one is gonna spoon feed you.

About your harpy drones, they were falling like bricks from sky. Literally videos of farmers in Lahore shooting down one with their Kalashinkovs.

No one from Pakistan is saying some missiles didn't hit, but there is literally no evidence of substantial damage apart from runways with some holes, a slightly damaged C130.

Can you the say the same after losing billions $$ worth of jets?

We don't mind if Brahmos shoot down. We shot down everything you fired. Had you had the capability to shoot down Brahmos, why couldn't you save your 11 air basis? None of your attack successed. None of our attack failed. Your problem is that you knew that you shot down Brahmos after the 3 weeks of war.

Your prime minister said that they had planned an attack in early morning but Brahmos struck meanwhile so that they couldn't strike India. What you say contradicts what your PM said.

 

[Paitoo]

Of course it isn't but that's the entire point. They were the only country not ro recognize Pakistan in 1947 - and many do and did have dreams of Indja destroying us and 'retaking' this land so they can form akhand bharat and greater loy Afghanistan.


@Krishna with Flute @Paitoo

Taliban cannot be trusted

 

[Vsdoc]

Kirana didn't get damaged apart from some craters on the road leading to it. Told me by eyewitness who lives there is a colleague.

India ofcourse was successful to hit alot of places but the damage didn't justify the amount of munitions fired.

Pakistani nuclear systems are spread across the length of country with multiple redundancies. So alot of bhakts saying that India has somehow neutralized the Pakistani nuclear capability is intellectual dishonesty.

Sure.

The secondary mushroom the whole world saw was from "the roads".

US special flights literally an hour after the hit, was for "road inspection".

Special flight from Egypt with an emergency consignment of "road tar"

Completely depopulated villages on a perimeter around the impact sites, because "the roads are out".

Chalo. Happy road building.

 

[Egyptian]

Our airdefence did quite good.

4-5 Brahmos shot down in Sialkot sector, 1 in Malir, 1 Hammer in Lahore, 1 in Jacobabad and many others etc.
But the nature of saturation attacks is such that there always would be some missiles that would get through. Even the much vaunted Israeli AD got breached.

Our ABs didn't get much damage apart from runway damages ( that can be repaired in some hours ) and a damaged C130 from shrapnel which would easily get repaired too.

And all this is despite PAF having only one battery of HQ9BE. We need more long range SAMs from China, HQ19 is coming. Farooqbhai on PDF told that GIDS LOMADS is already ready. That would further strengthen our GBADs network.

And another factor is, our GBAD network started to get developed in AM Sidhus time which is 3 years till now. So its actually a massive progress.

100% agreed.

We need the Iranian model of bases underneath mountains and we have quite expansive mountains from North to South, west of Indus.

@Sharma Ji @Mainerik @shahidul_H @Jiangnan @Bagheera0084

 

[Lulldapull]

I know we got outclassed by India........there's no denying this anymore.

Many of our think tanks including Quwa among others writing about the fallout.

Actually I'm glad this happened, because now we know for sure we were just pedaling Chinese and AL-Turkiyan toys like little children in the sand pit.

India fukkin gamed it in conjunction with the Israeli's and has humiliated us.

If we don't respond, our military is finished as an entity as its respect is already gone!

 

[Lulldapull]

Sure.

The secondary mushroom the whole world saw was from "the roads".

US special flights literally an hour after the hit, was for "road inspection".

Special flight from Egypt with an emergency consignment of "road tar"

Completely depopulated villages on a perimeter around the impact sites, because "the roads are out".

Chalo. Happy road building.

Plane load of radiation absorbing boron powder from Al-Egypt and US provided nuke sniffer beechcraft.

My hunch is something bad has happened.

 

[Vsdoc]

Plane load of radiation absorbing boron powder from Al-Egypt and US provided nuke sniffer beechcraft.

My hunch is something bad has happened.

Its not a hunch.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Its not a hunch.

Pretty irresponsible if we caused a radiation leak there.

 

[Vsdoc]

Pretty irresponsible if we caused a radiation leak there.

Neither side will admit it.

If proven, we can easily become nuclear pariahs.

At the very least ...

 

[Lulldapull]

Pretty irresponsible if we caused a radiation leak there.

Its all hush hush......forget this kiraandda hills bhai we as a nation have been undermined no? Nukes nobody could've/ would've used anyway, not indo-pak people on each other.......hell no!....... Jo damage huway hain they must be US nukes no?

Pretty obvious whats happened here and the desperation of a coverup.

Now Chenab river running dry......

Who got faith in Shehbaz Sharif or Munira Whiskey......?.......gimme a break.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Its all hush hush......forget this kiraandda hills bhai we as a nation have been undermined no? Nukes nobody could've/ would've used anyway, not indo-pak people on each other.......hell no!....... Jo damage huway hain they must be US nukes no?

Pretty obvious whats happened here and the desperation of a coverup.

Now Chenab river running dry......

Who got faith in Shehbaz Sharif or Munira Whiskey......?.......gimme a break.

US nukes ?

I know they store them at Incirlik in Al Turkiye and in most NATO Al Opopba bases, spl in Germany, UK

and NSA Bahrain etc, but probably only if a sub docks there, not in storage hangars type.

 

[Sharma Ji]

gooble sez:

Incirlik Air Base in Turkey hosts US B61 nuclear bombs as part of a nuclear-sharing agreement between the US and Turkey. The base is estimated to store around 20-30 of these bombs.

 

[Lulldapull]

US nukes ?

I know they store them at Incirlik in Al Turkiye and in most NATO Al Opopba bases, spl in Germany, UK

and NSA Bahrain etc, but probably only if a sub docks there, not in storage hangars type.

Many Indian channels speaking on dis Sharma......

 

[Sharma Ji]

Many Indian channels speaking on dis Sharma......

ok

I don't watch a lot of mainstream news, spl our sansani ones .. once in a while I'll go have dinner with the old folks and they's always glued to these.

Sar dard ho jaata hain watching those 'rah rah screamfests'

aap pata nahi kaisey dekh lete ho ye sab

youtube pe dekho, much more nuanced content from legit sources there, minus the hype, some of these bigger and credible former mainstream folks also been switching over to it.

double edged sword, though.. online you get people doing unfiltered bakwaasein bhi.

I watch Indian and Pak mainstream ones as well as their online folk, and gora media.. sub ki suno, full spectrum.. then you can start sifting through that muck and pan for gold nuggets.

Media environment, spl with socials ki noise thrown in there.. very very noisy..

therefore, mutthi bhar skepticism ka namak daalna na bhoolein !

that xhit is straight up poison most of the times

 

[steppeWolff]

Sure.

The secondary mushroom the whole world saw was from "the roads".

US special flights literally an hour after the hit, was for "road inspection".

Special flight from Egypt with an emergency consignment of "road tar"

Completely depopulated villages on a perimeter around the impact sites, because "the roads are out".

Chalo. Happy road building.

Literally no one except India media has reported that. If that was the case, Pakistanis would be grilling Armed Forces more than you could have imagined considered the deep resentment.

India tried to hit the Sargodha AFB, couldn't do much damage. Only AFBs that got damaged were Bholari and Nur Khan. Nur Khan got a C130 damaged which will be repaired and Bholari was just before ceasefire and resulted in 5 martyrdoms.

I'm still happy with the Air force's performance considering they downed atleast 2 Rafales and some others. Even the most hardcore fanboys wouldn't have imagined such a bad show from IAF.

 

[Bagheera0084]

We will recognise the nation of Balochistan next, after the Taliban.

What about Iranian side of Balochistan? Will that part also be recognised as a separate nation?

@Vsdoc @Lulldapull

 

[Vsdoc]

Literally no one except India media has reported that. If that was the case, Pakistanis would be grilling Armed Forces more than you could have imagined considered the deep resentment.

India tried to hit the Sargodha AFB, couldn't do much damage. Only AFBs that got damaged were Bholari and Nur Khan. Nur Khan got a C130 damaged which will be repaired and Bholari was just before ceasefire and resulted in 5 martyrdoms.

I'm still happy with the Air force's performance considering they downed atleast 2 Rafales and some others. Even the most hardcore fanboys wouldn't have imagined such a bad show from IAF.

The video (I've posted it here) is obviously from a Pakistani source. Taken by locals.

What has Pakistan awaam ever been able to do against its Army?

And this is war. Against the Hindu.

Everyone will stand in line. And take his two doses a day of chooran.

Even when big doubts are gnawing away at the backs of intelligent minds ....

Like I see daily on jihad central (where I was happy to see you too).

At least here you have the option of chooran or sookhi roti.

 

[Vsdoc]

What about Iranian side of Balochistan? Will that part also be recognised as a separate nation?

@Vsdoc @Lulldapull

Why do you want to finger Iran?

 

[Vsdoc]

The video (I've posted it here) is obviously from a Pakistani source. Taken by locals.

What has Pakistan awaam ever been able to do against its Army?

And this is war. Against the Hindu.

Everyone will stand in line. And take his two doses a day of chooran.

Even when big doubts are gnawing away at the backs of intelligent minds ....

Like I see daily on jihad central (where I was happy to see you too).

At least here you have the option of chooran or sookhi roti.

I've said it before and I will say it again ... so technically this belongs to the Remember What Doc Said to the Pakistanis thread ...

You (Pakistani awaam) will need the Indian Army to kill the Pakistan Army for you.

Because for all your bravado, the Pakistani awaam is the most buzdil awaam I have seen.

Even Bangladeshis have more guts when it comes to street rebellion. And Sri Lankans too.

 

[steppeWolff]

The video (I've posted it here) is obviously from a Pakistani source. Taken by locals.

I've been told entirely different from someone living just besides Kirana Hills. Oscar on PDF agrees too. And he's very reliable guy.

And this is war. Against the Hindu.

That I agree. I have seen alot of videos of farmers patrolling with AKs in Punjab, one even shot doen a drone. I mentioned it earlier some time ago that nothing will unite Pakistan more than a war against India. Thanks for that. Now we can crack down on insurgents more ( which is happening as we speak ).

Like I see daily on jihad central (where I was happy to see you too).

I am realistic bro. Id prefer better relationship and trade with India. But both sides have fanatics leading them. And when some on your side talk about blocking our water, even people like me stand in line with the military.

 

[steppeWolff]

What about Iranian side of Balochistan? Will that part also be recognised as a separate nation?

@Vsdoc @Lulldapull

Yea no. Thats why it is in Iranian interests too, to not let the formation of an independent Balochistan happen ( not like it will considering the demographics ). Sistan Baluchistan itself is a hotbed of terrorism inside Iran too.

 

[Vsdoc]

Yea no. Thats why it is in Iranian interests too, to not let the formation of an independent Balochistan happen ( not like it will considering the demographics ). Sistan Baluchistan itself is a hotbed of terrorism inside Iran too.

From what I understand, the ones on the Iran side are a beleaguered and largely crushed lot. More caveman smugglers and dacoits than what your army is facing.

No one can rightly compare the scale (of the insurgency) on both sides.

I was unaware that Balochistan (yours) is majority Pashtun.

If so, it makes India's future moves crystal clear.

This may well be oil and water separating, as they always have, and will, along the civilizational cleave line of the Indus.

 

[steppeWolff]

From what I understand, the ones on the Iran side are a beleaguered and largely crushed lot. More caveman smugglers and dacoits than what your army is facing.

No one can rightly compare the scale (of the insurgency) on both sides.

I was unaware that Balochistan (yours) is majority Pashtun.

If so, it makes India's future moves crystal clear.

This may well be oil and water separating, as they always have, and will, along the civilizational cleave line of the Indus.

The insurgency in Iranian Sistan-Balochistan region is indeed smaller in scale, but that doesn’t make it insignificant. Jundullah, Jaish alAdl, and other groups have carried out high-profile attacks (e.g the 2019 Zahedan suicide bombing, the 2022 Rask police station assault). The ‘caveman smugglers’ narrative is wrong as it downplays Tehran’s own counterterrorism operations.
Why would IRGC deploy brigades to the region if the threat were trivial? The difference is of scale.Pakistan has much larger Baloch population than Iran and India’s proxy war exacerbates it.

And Balochistan is majority Pashtun but a census would never show that cause of obvious political dynamics. Pashtuns are concentrated in Quetta, Pishin, Zhob, and Loralai Division ( The Northern Balochistan ). Brahuis comprise the Kalat Division and Naushki district ( Central Balochistan ). Rest are Baloch territories.

But your broader point about ‘oil and water separating’ is flawed. The ‘civilizational cleave line of the Indus’ is a romanticized fiction. Punjabis, Sindhis, and Pashtuns are deeply integrated into Pakistan’s polity. Even if India exploits ethnic tensions (as it does in Balochistan), Pakistan’s state structure and military cohesion are far more resilient than 1971 redux fantasies.

Punjab itself has a heavy pashtun population. Southern Punjabis ( Seraikis ), they themselves are Baloch who speak a dialect of Punjabi. And they constitute entire southern half of Punjab, from Multan to RYK. Half of Sindh is populated by Baloch tribes who got Sindhified. Zardari Family for example. Karachi has the biggest Pashtun population in planet, has Pashtun MNAs, MPAs. There's hundreds of years of and recent, successful examples of integration.

If India’s plan is to bank on Pashtun Baloch divides, it’s recycling a failed strategy. The TTP’s anti Pakistan insurgency got zero traction in KPK because Pashtuns reject foreign backed destabilization. Pashtun Lashkars of FATA fought a brutal war against TTP, Chechens and Uzbeks, Uyghurs, Al Qaeda etc for an entire decade. They want nothing to do with India or Afghanistan. Just see the heavily armed rallies Pashtuns led recently during Indo Pak conflict. And let’s not pretend Delhi’s Balochistan meddling (e.g., Kulbhushan Jadhav) has yielded anything but embarrassment.

And you’re right that Iran has crushed much of its Baloch insurgency; but that’s precisely why it cooperates with Pakistan on border security. Neither of us wants an independent Balochistan. India’s fantasy of balkanizing Pakistan along ethnic lines is a geopolitical pipe dream. The real ‘civilizational cleave’ is between states that fuel separatism (India) and those that crush it (Iran, Pakistan).

 

[Vsdoc]

The insurgency in Iranian Sistan-Balochistan region is indeed smaller in scale, but that doesn’t make it insignificant. Jundullah, Jaish alAdl, and other groups have carried out high-profile attacks (e.g the 2019 Zahedan suicide bombing, the 2022 Rask police station assault). The ‘caveman smugglers’ narrative is wrong as it downplays Tehran’s own counterterrorism operations.
Why would IRGC deploy brigades to the region if the threat were trivial? The difference is of scale.Pakistan has much larger Baloch population than Iran and India’s proxy war exacerbates it.

And Balochistan is majority Pashtun but a census would never show that cause of obvious political dynamics. Pashtuns are concentrated in Quetta, Pishin, Zhob, and Loralai Division ( The Northern Balochistan ). Brahuis comprise the Kalat Division and Naushki district ( Central Balochistan ). Rest are Baloch territories.

But your broader point about ‘oil and water separating’ is flawed. The ‘civilizational cleave line of the Indus’ is a romanticized fiction. Punjabis, Sindhis, and Pashtuns are deeply integrated into Pakistan’s polity. Even if India exploits ethnic tensions (as it does in Balochistan), Pakistan’s state structure and military cohesion are far more resilient than 1971 redux fantasies.

Punjab itself has a heavy pashtun population. Southern Punjabis ( Seraikis ), they themselves are Baloch who speak a dialect of Punjabi. And they constitute entire southern half of Punjab, from Multan to RYK. Half of Sindh is populated by Baloch tribes who got Sindhified. Zardari Family for example. Karachi has the biggest Pashtun population in planet, has Pashtun MNAs, MPAs. There's hundreds of years of and recent, successful examples of integration.

If India’s plan is to bank on Pashtun Baloch divides, it’s recycling a failed strategy. The TTP’s anti Pakistan insurgency got zero traction in KPK because Pashtuns reject foreign backed destabilization. Pashtun Lashkars of FATA fought a brutal war against TTP, Chechens and Uzbeks, Uyghurs, Al Qaeda etc for an entire decade. They want nothing to do with India or Afghanistan. Just see the heavily armed rallies Pashtuns led recently during Indo Pak conflict. And let’s not pretend Delhi’s Balochistan meddling (e.g., Kulbhushan Jadhav) has yielded anything but embarrassment.

And you’re right that Iran has crushed much of its Baloch insurgency; but that’s precisely why it cooperates with Pakistan on border security. Neither of us wants an independent Balochistan. India’s fantasy of balkanizing Pakistan along ethnic lines is a geopolitical pipe dream. The real ‘civilizational cleave’ is between states that fuel separatism (India) and those that crush it (Iran, Pakistan).

Balochistan separating from Pakistan is of no use to India.

Its a huge loss to Pakistan.

Now rethink what India wants.

 

[Lulldapull]

What about Iranian side of Balochistan? Will that part also be recognised as a separate nation?

@Vsdoc @Lulldapull

Iranis will crush any ethnic supremacy nonsense.

Its considered extreme budtameezi to put down any ethnicity or religion or parrosi in Iran.

Lot of Pakistanis living/ working in Iran now on work visa.

Nobody even asks k aap sunni ho shia ho ya Christy X-Tian ho....that is considered very rude.

 

[Lulldapull]

Why do you want to finger Iran?

Cuz shes dalit and wants her kind to infiltrate.......like a kaafir dalit virus inside Iran.

India/ Pak ka haal dekh lo aaj......



When yous quit caring on who's comin in no?

Batten down da hatches doc, erect walls with barbed wire fences and thousand mile 20 m wide x 10m deep trenches.......sentry gun AI turrets with moats and security drones and strong points every km on da wall.......ye karna purr ra hae ab Iran ko, along with mass deportations.

Vurna Iran gya!........just like us........

Ager khuda na khaasta dalit Iran main ghunsa doc......he will destroy Iran just like da subcontinent!

Doosri taraf Irani consider arbi as biological dushman.......like nazi kutter cultural hate.....

You know what I'm saying doc.......east n west n north teeno block to hain.....but not impregnable. And the emptiness of the open country no?......serious shortage of manpower.

Not yet sealed!.....extreme work needs to be still done to completely seal it off......like zero leakage.

 

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Cuz shes dalit and wants her kind to infiltrate.......like a kaafir dalit virus inside Iran.

India/ Pak ka haal dekh lo aaj......



When yous quit caring on who's comin in no?

Batten down da hatches doc, erect walls with barbed wire fences and thousand mile 20 m wide x 10m deep trenches.......sentry gun AI turrets with moats and security drones and strong points every km on da wall.......ye karna purr ra hae ab Iran ko, along with mass deportations.

Vurna Iran gya!........just like us........

Ager khuda na khaasta dalit Iran main ghunsa doc......he will destroy Iran just like da subcontinent!

Doosri taraf Irani consider arbi as biological dushman.......like nazi kutter cultural hate.....

You know what I'm saying doc.......east n west n north teeno block to hain.....but not impregnable. And the emptiness of the open country no?......serious shortage of manpower.

Not yet sealed!.....extreme work needs to be still done to completely seal it off......like zero leakage.

Iranis of today look at Arabs as kattar dushman.

But honestly Arabs have historically been very low on the empire totem of Persia where we had peoples from Europe extending all the way to China.

Not unlike how they look at their Sistan cavemen.