🗺️ Turkey’s BRICS bid falls through due to India's rejection

[Dogun18]

Date Occurred: Oct 25, 2024

The German newspaper BILD on Oct. 24 reported that India rejected Turkey's BRICS membership bid, citing Ankara's close relations with Pakistan. As a result of India's decision, the required consensus was not reached.

The state and government leaders gathered for the BRICS summit decided not to accept new members for the time being, according to reporting by the online news outlet T24.

 

[Dogun18]

@ThunderCat @Vsdoc @Sharma Ji @Lulldapull @LegionnairE

 

[Vsdoc]

Payback is a female dog.

I hear Pakistan is interested too? @Dogun18

 

[Dogun18]

Payback is a female dog.

I hear Pakistan is interested too? @Dogun18

'Payback' is subjective here. India should have no say in who joins and doesn't join BRICS+. It makes them look like a Western Puppet and disliked by others.

Turkey was invited for a reason and will probably still end up joining. Modi is only hurting himself and Indian interests here.

 

[Vsdoc]

'Payback' is subjective here. India should have no say in who joins and doesn't join BRICS+. It makes them look like a Western Puppet and disliked by others.

Turkey was invited for a reason and will probably still end up joining. Modi is only hurting himself and Indian interests here.

We shall see.

Turkey will be taught a lesson about not donning religious caps and interfering in the affairs of other sovereign states.

They have enough on their plate as it is. To go picking fights they cannot win.

What does meddling in Kashmir and overtly supporting Pakistan have to do with "looking like a Western puppet" for India?

For the longest time Pakistan was de facto in the Western camp.

 

[Sharma Ji]

that India rejected Turkey's BRICS membership bid, citing Ankara's close relations with Pakistan.

As a result of previous statements on Kashmir that have come out of Ankara, which stemmed from said close relations.

Words are actions, and actions have consequences.

 

[Vsdoc]

With Saudi playing coy, I believe its time to fast track Iran into the BRICS.

I doubt India would resist that move.

But with the phull sapport crowd running things, you never know.

One thing is for sure, the BRICS is half of what it could and should be without at least one if not both the energy giants onboard.

 

[VCheng]

With Saudi playing coy, I believe its time to fast track Iran into the BRICS.

I doubt India would resist that move.

But with the phull sapport crowd running things, you never know.

One thing is for sure, the BRICS is half of what it could and should be without at least one if not both the energy giants onboard.

What is happening is very logical - every country pursues only its own national interests - and nothing else matters, except that when certain interests align between countries, they can cooperate for as long as such alignments remain. No one should be surprised at any developments here.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Also, this so called "phull sapport" crowd has steadfastly and resolutely refused to strawman Iran and be drawn into the many woes and conflicts that plague the middle east.

This crowd has upped the diplomatic game manyfold... ignored all western sanctions pressure and threats, and maintained good relations with the Saudis, the Iranians, and the Israelis, and sent relief goods to the Filistinees.

A far cry from when the disgusting La Dinastia Ghandy Familia was running things.

 

[LegionnairE]

It's not in Turkey's interests to join BRICS. If this news is true than India did us a great favor

Thanks India.

 

[Vsdoc]

It's not in Turkey's interests to join BRICS. If this news is true than India did us a great favor

Thanks India.

Could you please help us understand why?

Because of the long-standing Europe tilt (that never seems to be reciprocated and fructify)?

 

[Krishna with Flute]

Turkey is an example of government going against the people's will and perception so far as foreign policy is concern. Turkey people are friendly so far as India is concern. However, Turkey as a nation has engaged consistently in anti India activities and mindset. Naturally, India was not happy with Turkey's entry in Bricks and used her power to stop Turkey's entry in BRICS.

 

[Vsdoc]

Turkey is an example of government going against the people's will and perception so far as foreign policy is concern. Turkey people are friendly so far as India is concern. However, Turkey as a nation has engaged consistently in anti India activities and mindset. Naturally, India was not happy with Turkey's entry in Bricks and used her power to stop Turkey's entry in BRICS.

Agree with you. I have two close Turk friends. They work here. Turkish company. They love India and Indians. And always find a way to get posted back here somehow even when called back briefly.

 

[LegionnairE]

Could you please help us understand why?

Because of the long-standing Europe tilt (that never seems to be reciprocated and fructify)?

We have trade surplus with Europe, we have trade deficit with BRICS countries. As far as I'm concerned, this alone makes Europe a more important partner for Turkey. We might need more tariffs with BRICS.

I have nothing against India. I think being allied with Pakistan shouldn't stop Turkey from developing closer ties with India too but militarily, culturally, socially, economically, in every metric you can think of Turkey belongs in the western block.

We have no business being in BRICS.

 

[Vsdoc]

We have trade surplus with Europe, we have trade deficit with BRICS countries. As far as I'm concerned, this alone makes Europe a more important partner for Turkey. We might need more tariffs with BRICS.

I have nothing against India. I think being allied with Pakistan shouldn't stop Turkey from developing closer ties with India too but militarily, culturally, socially, economically, in every metric you can think of Turkey belongs in the western block.

We have no business being in BRICS.

You cannot be "allied" with Pakistan and friends with India.

Its just a fact of life my friend.

Thank you for your reply. Yes it makes sense for you guys to stay out of BRICS.

But aside from being a non European NATO hedge, does Europe really want you. Why are you not in the EU? Yet.

Have you not tried?

 

[Bilal9]

It's not in Turkey's interests to join BRICS. If this news is true than India did us a great favor

Thanks India.

Exactly. Some here keep forgetting Turkey is a full member of NATO.

Having both NATO and BRICS membership is a bit odd - n'est ce pas?

By the way - not that it is relevant any more, but India also rejected the Bangladesh bid, when Hasina was at the helm and was a "friend of India".

https://www.dhakatribune.com/bangladesh/323425/brics-expansion-why-bangladesh-could-not-make-it

In August 2023 - More than 40 countries had expressed interest in joining BRICS, of them 23 formally applied to join the bloc, which together account for about a quarter of the global economy and 41.9% of the world’s population.

Make your own conclusions.

There are other countries involved in BRICS besides India, which we should also remember for this discussion. Although some say India's influence in BRICS is on the wane.

India’s Influence in BRICS Is Waning

If New Delhi did indeed resist expansion efforts that could turn the bloc into a club of nations aligned against the West, it was unsuccessful.

thediplomat.com

 

[Krishna with Flute]

Agree with you. I have two close Turk friends. They work here. Turkish company. They love India and Indians. And always find a way to get posted back here somehow even when called back briefly.

I have seen many videos where any foreigner got an opportunity to visit India on any deputation. They explain their experience with a lots of interest and reiterate their willingness to visit India again.

Do you know that their in an increasing interest in Europeans, Russians, Chinese and Americans to marry an Indian partner.

 

[Vsdoc]

I have seen many videos where any foreigner got an opportunity to visit India on any deputation. They explain their experience with a lots of interest and reiterate their willingness to visit India again.

Do you know that their in an increasing interest in Europeans, Russians, Chinese and Americans to marry an Indian partner.

No I did not know that.

Interracial breeding is not my thing. Though I'm sure it works for many.

 

[Sharma Ji]

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[LegionnairE]

You cannot be "allied" with Pakistan and friends with India.

I'm not as pessimistic as you, I believe it is possible to be on good terms with both countries.

But aside from being a non European NATO hedge, does Europe really want you. Why are you not in the EU? Yet.

There are many cultural, economical, strategic reasons for Europeans to reject Turkey's EU membership. It's a complicated subject.

If Turkey had a population of 10 million like Greece instead of 80 million, a membership would be much more likely. With the flood of 13 million refugees and immigrants, Turkey's membership chances are completely dead.

 

[Vsdoc]

I'm not as pessimistic as you, I believe it is possible to be on good terms with both countries.

There are many cultural, economical, strategic reasons for Europeans to reject Turkey's EU membership. It's a complicated subject.

If Turkey had a population of 10 million like Greece instead of 80 million, a membership would be much more likely. With the flood of 13 million refugees and immigrants, Turkey's membership chances are completely dead.

Is there any Muslim EU state?

This is pragmatism. Not pessimism.

 

[Mainerik]

Is there any Muslim EU state?

This is pragmatism. Not pessimism.

Albania, Bosnia, Kosovo are Muslim EU states. pakistan even helped bosnia against serbia

 

[Vsdoc]

Albania, Bosnia, Kosovo are Muslim EU states. pakistan even helped bosnia against serbia

Sorry I must have been living under a giant rock when these were admitted into the EU.

Can you educate me when this happened?