World American man reveals Indian CEO took over a firm, booted out founders, hired Indians. Post goes viral amid H1B visa debate

[Bilal9]

US should stop giving Viza to Indians and manage company themselves.

Not possible. I know you're joking, Often times - US companies are run by incompetent and semi-educated local Gora and other American staff full of themselves. IIT and IIM staff in the C-suite are a thousand times more competent than them. My Indian IIT/IIM graduate friends are all part of the C-suite in various local companies.

But yes - I have heard that complaint from Goras, that Indian senior managers often hire only other Indians because they are cheap to get and maybe the perception is that they are easier to manage. Especially Telugu speaker managers will not even hire other Indians if they don't speak Telugu.

It is our failure as South Asians to have those values - betray the whole DEI philosophy which let us in the door in the first place.

Whatever Gora management will now (emboldened by Trumpers and MAGA legitimization) find it easy to stop hiring Indians (and other South Asians because we look alike).

This dissatisfaction has been brewing for over two decades and Indian C suite have not addressed it by equal HR policies.

 

[Bilal9]

That is why Japan is a rare country with negative GDP growth rate and economy is sinking. From second position in the world, it has reached to forth position and set to become fifth.

I don't think Japanese narrative was at fault here. Bangladesh has the same problem, and maybe Pakistan as well.

It is simple lack of discipline and lack of education for the underclasses which is the fault of the govt. and society that were not instilled during the early years.

Average worker person (semi-educated laborer) in South Asia has a horrible work ethic and is terminally lazy and insincere. This is not the case in Japan. You need to visit Japan. I have had experience in both places, I have seen the difference personally.

Maybe @Lulldapull bhai can confirm, if it has changed recently in Japan which I doubt.

 

[Lulldapull]

I don't think Japanese narrative was at fault here. Bangladesh has the same problem, and maybe Pakistan as well.

It is simple lack of discipline and lack of education for the underclasses which is the fault of the govt. and society that were not instilled during the early years.

Average worker person (semi-educated laborer) in South Asia has a horrible work ethic and is terminally lazy and insincere. This is not the case in Japan. You need to visit Japan. I have had experience in both places, I have seen the difference personally.

Maybe @Lulldapull bhai can confirm, if it has changed recently in Japan which I doubt.

Yaar Bilal our problem is not hard work. Our problem that we are a 'niyat' based society. The Japanese and the west are 'result' oriented societies.

This is the fundamental diff.

Lack of accountability, integrity, honesty, civilization/ nationhood in our region are other issues.

Most of our countries pretty tribal bhai and its 2025. They haven't let go of their primitive tribal mentality yet.

Just look at Afghanis.......lol

 

[Bagheera0084]

'There is a permanent shortage...': Elon Musk challenges claims of foreign talent displacing US tech workers

Musk weighs in on tech talent debate amid backlash over foreign worker policies.

Pranav Dixit
Updated Dec 29, 2024, 9:08 AM IST

Elon Musk

Elon Musk has sparked conversation around the perennial debate on foreign-born workers in the US tech industry, responding to claims that they might be taking jobs from native-born Americans. The discussion was initiated by Amjad Masad, CEO of Replit, an online platform for coding, who questioned the validity of such allegations.

Masad posted on X (formerly Twitter), “Genuinely curious: Are there actual instances where qualified native-born Americans couldn’t get jobs in tech because foreigners took all of them? I’d be surprised if it’s true because at any given point there are hundreds of thousands of unfilled jobs in tech.”

Responding to Masad, Musk dismissed the notion of job displacement by foreign talent, highlighting the chronic scarcity of skilled engineers in Silicon Valley. “There is a permanent shortage of excellent engineering talent. It is the fundamental limiting factor in Silicon Valley,” he wrote.

Musk’s remarks align with ongoing discussions in the tech industry about the need for diverse talent pools to address a growing demand for skilled professionals in areas like artificial intelligence, software engineering, and data science.

The conversation gains significance amidst controversy over the appointment of Indian-American businessman Sriram Krishnan as a senior policy advisor on artificial intelligence in the incoming administration of President-elect Donald Trump.

While some hail Krishnan’s appointment as a step forward for AI policy, others argue that foreign workers, particularly those on H-1B visas, are being hired at lower wages, allegedly displacing American talent.

Musk rejected this perspective, labelling it as a “fixed pie” fallacy. “There is essentially infinite potential for job and company creation. Think of all the things that didn’t exist 20 or 30 years ago!” he said, urging a focus on innovation and growth rather than competition for existing roles.

'There is a permanent shortage...': Elon Musk challenges claims of foreign talent displacing US tech workers

Musk weighs in on tech talent debate amid backlash over foreign worker policies.

www.businesstoday.in

 

[Sharma Ji]

Desi tech workers, long disparigingly refered to as "software coolies"

Are the new Mexican wine grape pickers and other farm labour.

 

[Bagheera0084]

Elon Musk Says H-1B Visa System "Broken", Days After "Will Go To War" Promise

Elon Musk and Indian-American tech entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy have recently clashed with supporters of Donald Trump over the issue of immigration and H-1B visas.

Edited by: Pushkar Tiwari | World News
Dec 30, 2024 09:21 am IST

Elon Musk said H-1B visa system can be "easily fixed"

Days after vowing to "go to war" to defend the H-1B visas, tech billionaire Elon Musk on Sunday said the system, which is used to bring skilled foreign workers to the US, is "broken" and needs a "major reform".

Mr Musk and Indian-American tech entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy have recently clashed with supporters of US President-elect Donald Trump over the issue of immigration.

Mr Musk and Mr Ramaswamy, who are set to be part of the incoming Trump administration, have backed the H-1B visa program.

In response to a post on X, the social media site he owns, Mr Musk said he has "been very clear" that the program is "broken" and "needs major reform". He was responding to a user who said the US needs to be a destination for the "world's most elite talent", but the H-1B program "isn't the way to do that".

Mr Musk, who himself migrated from South Africa on an H-1B, said the system can be "easily fixed" by raising the minimum salary significantly and adding a yearly cost for maintaining the H-1B, making it "materially more expensive to hire from overseas than domestically".

Last week, Mr Musk said bringing elite engineering talent from abroad was "essential for America to keep winning."

Mr Ramaswamy, the son of Indian immigrants, also echoed Mr Musk's sentiments. He argued that the US culture has long celebrated "mediocrity over excellence".

"A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the math olympiad champ... will not produce the best engineers," he posted on X.

Debate Over H-1B Visas

Many of Donald Trump's supporters have been increasingly pushing for scrapping the H-1B visa programme amid debate over immigration. The matter flared up after Trump chose Indian-American entrepreneur Sriram Krishnan as an adviser on artificial intelligence policy in his coming administration.

Laura Loomer, a right-wing influencer, criticised Trump's selection, along with far-right figures like Ann Coulter and former Congressman Matt Gaetz.

She accused Mr Musk and Mr Ramaswamy of undermining American workers.

One viral post on X accused Mr Krishnan as an "India First" operative whose goal was to "replace American workers."

"Looking forward to the inevitable divorce between President Trump and Big Tech," Ms Loomer, a MAGA figure known for her conspiracy theories, said.

"We have to protect President Trump from the technocrats," she said.

Mr Musk fired back at his critics and warned of a "MAGA civil war."

He also swore at one critic, saying, "I will go to war on this issue."

Trump Backs Musk In H-1B Visa Debate

Donald Trump has sided with Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy in the public dispute over the use of the H-1B visa, saying he fully backs the program for foreign tech workers opposed by some of his supporters.

Trump, who moved to limit the visas' use during his first presidency, told The New York Post on Saturday he was likewise in favour of the visa program.

"I have many H-1B visas on my properties. I've been a believer in H-1B. I have used it many times. It's a great program," he was quoted as saying.

Elon Musk Says H-1B Visa System "Broken", Days After "Will Go To War" Promise

 

[Krishna with Flute]

Elon Musk Says H-1B Visa System "Broken", Days After "Will Go To War" Promise

Elon Musk and Indian-American tech entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy have recently clashed with supporters of Donald Trump over the issue of immigration and H-1B visas.

Edited by: Pushkar Tiwari | World News
Dec 30, 2024 09:21 am IST

Elon Musk said H-1B visa system can be "easily fixed"

Days after vowing to "go to war" to defend the H-1B visas, tech billionaire Elon Musk on Sunday said the system, which is used to bring skilled foreign workers to the US, is "broken" and needs a "major reform".

Mr Musk and Indian-American tech entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy have recently clashed with supporters of US President-elect Donald Trump over the issue of immigration.

Mr Musk and Mr Ramaswamy, who are set to be part of the incoming Trump administration, have backed the H-1B visa program.

In response to a post on X, the social media site he owns, Mr Musk said he has "been very clear" that the program is "broken" and "needs major reform". He was responding to a user who said the US needs to be a destination for the "world's most elite talent", but the H-1B program "isn't the way to do that".

Mr Musk, who himself migrated from South Africa on an H-1B, said the system can be "easily fixed" by raising the minimum salary significantly and adding a yearly cost for maintaining the H-1B, making it "materially more expensive to hire from overseas than domestically".

Last week, Mr Musk said bringing elite engineering talent from abroad was "essential for America to keep winning."

Mr Ramaswamy, the son of Indian immigrants, also echoed Mr Musk's sentiments. He argued that the US culture has long celebrated "mediocrity over excellence".

"A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the math olympiad champ... will not produce the best engineers," he posted on X.

Debate Over H-1B Visas

Many of Donald Trump's supporters have been increasingly pushing for scrapping the H-1B visa programme amid debate over immigration. The matter flared up after Trump chose Indian-American entrepreneur Sriram Krishnan as an adviser on artificial intelligence policy in his coming administration.

Laura Loomer, a right-wing influencer, criticised Trump's selection, along with far-right figures like Ann Coulter and former Congressman Matt Gaetz.

She accused Mr Musk and Mr Ramaswamy of undermining American workers.

One viral post on X accused Mr Krishnan as an "India First" operative whose goal was to "replace American workers."

"Looking forward to the inevitable divorce between President Trump and Big Tech," Ms Loomer, a MAGA figure known for her conspiracy theories, said.

"We have to protect President Trump from the technocrats," she said.

Mr Musk fired back at his critics and warned of a "MAGA civil war."

He also swore at one critic, saying, "I will go to war on this issue."

Trump Backs Musk In H-1B Visa Debate

Donald Trump has sided with Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy in the public dispute over the use of the H-1B visa, saying he fully backs the program for foreign tech workers opposed by some of his supporters.

Trump, who moved to limit the visas' use during his first presidency, told The New York Post on Saturday he was likewise in favour of the visa program.

"I have many H-1B visas on my properties. I've been a believer in H-1B. I have used it many times. It's a great program," he was quoted as saying.

Elon Musk Says H-1B Visa System "Broken", Days After "Will Go To War" Promise

They want country wise cap to go so as to give maximum visas to Indians.

 

[Bagheera0084]

Amid immigration debate in MAGA camp, Zoho CEO Sridhar Vembu cracks the code on rising talent migration from India

2 min read
30 Dec 2024, 02:38 PM IST

Riya R Alex

Sridhar Vembu, CEO of Zoho, highlights that talent migration in India is a result of rising aspirations during economic growth. He compares this trend to historical patterns in Korea and China, stating that such migration signifies progress.

Zoho CEO Sridhar Vembu believes that the rising talent migration from India is not a symptom of hopelessness.

Zoho CEO Sridhar Vembu has expressed several reasons for talent migration out of India. In a post on LinkedIn, Vembu said that the rising number of people migrating from India is not a concern amid the MAGA debate regarding an issue between certain factions of President-elect Donald Trump’s supporters over immigration policies.

Vembu explained the migration patterns in Korea and China.

“First, historic patterns. Talent migration from Korea/Taiwan to the US peaked in the 1970s and 80s (Japanese migration to the US peaked much earlier), talent migration from China peaked about 10 years ago. That was the time of rapid development and transformation of those nations," Vembu wrote.

According to Vembu, talent migration is very high during a phase of rapid development in a country.

“When a country is extremely underdeveloped, talent migration is very low. When a country is very wealthy, talent migration is also very low. Talent migration peaks during the period of rapid development," he said.

A similar pattern can be observed in Silicon Valley as well.

“This is observable in Silicon Valley where migrants from India now well outpace those from China, Hong Kong and Taiwan," he added.

According to Vembu, people's growing aspirations result in rapid economic growth, which in turn results in restlessness. Such restlessness boosts migration. This pattern is currently being observed in India.

What is the reason?

“Why does this happen? Rapid economic development is preceded by and happens due to rising aspiration levels; and talent migration also happens due to rising aspiration levels. Our aspirations necessarily race ahead of reality and it is precisely during the period of rapid growth that we have the most restless people, and it is the restless spirits who tend to migrate. We can observe that restlessness in India, particularly in urban tech centres," Vembu posted.

However, he said, this migration slows down once an economy realises its full potential.

“Eventually when the full economic potential is realised, talent migration slows down or stops entirely. This pattern has been seen repeatedly," he added.

“As late as the 1980s, Japanese still refused to believe Japan had achieved parity with the West. Same with Korea in the late 1990s," Vembu wrote.

“I predict that even in 2035 with a per capita GDP upwards of $10K, Indians will likely lament how far behind we are. The last stage of catch up happens quickly over a decade (witness China is the last decade) but the foundations have to be laid over many previous decades and those previous decades feel like a slog. We are slogging through that now in India. To summarise, rising talent migration from India is not a symptom of hopelessness, it is the opposite," the Zoho CEO added.

https://www.livemint.com/companies/...-migration-from-india/amp-11735547761687.html