[🇵🇰-Airforce] Pakistan to Get Chinese-Made Shenyang J-35 Fifth-Gen Fighter Aircraft Within 24 Months

[Mainerik]

I don't think Chinese care much about KAAN.

Saudi Arabia choose Kaan

 

[Jiangnan]

Saudi Arabia choose Kaan

ah. Looking forward to seeing Saudi Air Force KAAN.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

ah. Looking forward to seeing Saudi Air Force KAAN.

KAAN is a so called stealth fighter Saudi Arabia won't buy it.

 

[Bilal9]

KAAN is a so called stealth fighter Saudi Arabia won't buy it.

That is a pretty bold statement!

What do you base that on - if I may ask? Meaning the so-called Stealth fighter part - I don't care what Saudis buy or don't buy.

The entire NATO considers that as a problem for non-Chinese stealth aircraft competition.

TAI TF Kaan: Turkey’s New 5th-Generation Fighter Is a Dagger Aimed at the Heart of NATO

Summary and Key Points: Turkey’s relations with the West have declined, partly due to the refusal to sell Patriot missile batteries and exclusion from the F-35 program. Turkey has instead developed its own fifth-generation fighter, the TAI TF Kaan, with advanced stealth and avionics, to replace...

nationalinterest.org

The fact that they have this is something. And probably will be ten years ahead of the AMCA.

@LegionnairE your kind thoughts.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

That is a pretty bold statement!

What do you base that on - if I may ask? Meaning the so-called Stealth fighter part - I don't care what Saudis buy or don't buy.

The entire NATO considers that as a problem for non-Chinese stealth aircraft competition.

TAI TF Kaan: Turkey’s New 5th-Generation Fighter Is a Dagger Aimed at the Heart of NATO

Summary and Key Points: Turkey’s relations with the West have declined, partly due to the refusal to sell Patriot missile batteries and exclusion from the F-35 program. Turkey has instead developed its own fifth-generation fighter, the TAI TF Kaan, with advanced stealth and avionics, to replace...

nationalinterest.org

The fact that they have this is something. And probably will be ten years ahead of the AMCA.

@LegionnairE your kind thoughts.

There are only 2 real fifth generation planes and they are F22 and F35.. SU 57 comes closer but can't match F22. Chinese J20 is made of stuff worst than forth generation plane. Outdated engine, Canard, bigger RCS, outdated weapons, outdated Radar, outdated electronic. China's J35 flew a decade back. How many J35 China uses today though it's 2 new versions has come. Korean fifth generation fighters han no internal bay. Just shaping some plane with edges doesn't make a fighter fifth generation.

 

[Bilal9]

There are only 2 real fifth generation planes and they are F22 and F35.. SU 57 comes closer but can't match F22. Chinese J20 is made of stuff worst than forth generation plane. Outdated engine, Canard, bigger RCS, outdated weapons, outdated Radar, outdated electronic. China's J35 flew a decade back. How many J35 China uses today though it's 2 new versions has come. Korean fifth generation fighters han no internal bay. Just shaping some plane with edges doesn't make a fighter fifth generation.

Good explanation but you fail to mention that all airplane programs make evolutionary changes to their product.

The J35 of yesterday is not the J35 of today, ditto with the J20. In fact China is reportedly flying a sixth generation fighter, I posted a few videos in the China section. Chinese PLAAF sources will not confirm of course.

As bad as you say the RCS of J20 and J35 are compared to F22 and F35, they still have smaller and better RCS than most of the fighters we fly in South Asia today. That is the crux of the matter.

Unless of course - there is surprise news about the AMCA, which so far remains only on paper.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

Good explanation but you fail to mention that all airplane programs make evolutionary changes to their product.

The J35 of yesterday is not the J35 of today, ditto with the J20. In fact China is reportedly flying a sixth generation fighter, I posted a few videos in the China section. Chinese PLAAF sources will not confirm of course.

As bad as you say the RCS of J20 and J35 are compared to F22 and F35, they still have smaller and better RCS than most of the fighters we fly in South Asia today. That is the crux of the matter.

Unless of course - there is surprise news about the AMCA, which so far remains only on paper.

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What is the end result. That is why I ask how many J 35 inducted by China? you can make a plane and call it fifth or 6th generation but what will you do with a J20 sort of plane which had scored 3.5 to 1 kill ration in their own exercise against Chinese third generation plane? F 22 has that kill ratio in excess of 100. You can make it look like a fifth-generation plane but that doesn't give you fifth generation capabilities. If you call your plane fifth generation and a good fourth generation plane see you from 150 K.M. and fire something like meteor, what is the use of those so called fifth generation plane? If you call your plane a fifth generation and reluctant to induct it in your Airforce, what is the use of that plane. Ofcourse, you can sell to some corrupt country by bribing their generals, but it cannot work in real fight.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

Good explanation but you fail to mention that all airplane programs make evolutionary changes to their product.

The J35 of yesterday is not the J35 of today, ditto with the J20. In fact China is reportedly flying a sixth generation fighter, I posted a few videos in the China section. Chinese PLAAF sources will not confirm of course.

As bad as you say the RCS of J20 and J35 are compared to F22 and F35, they still have smaller and better RCS than most of the fighters we fly in South Asia today. That is the crux of the matter.

Unless of course - there is surprise news about the AMCA, which so far remains only on paper.

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So far as AMCA is concerned, we make a real fifth generation fighter unlike J20 and J35. Take for example SAAB Gripen. It is a 4+ generation fighter but have a look at its capabilities. it is best of its class. We have Tejas MK1 which is best lightweight fighter and shares 1st spot with Gripen C/D. Fifth generation fighters do not come very easily. Even US took a big effort, time and lots of money to make it happen. We have MWF, AMCA and ORCA in making. All are going to be Gripen/Rafale class fighter and above. Great cockpit lay out, state of art radar, top class RAM paints, great EW suite and top class weapons. Weapons will be an area where they will be far ahead of any plane. We have Indian, Russian, French, European and Israeli weapon option open for us which no other country in the world has.