[🇵🇰-Airforce] Pakistan to Get Chinese-Made Shenyang J-35 Fifth-Gen Fighter Aircraft Within 24 Months

[Krishna with Flute]

Um... because the J-10 initially used a Russian garbage engine. So it led to the 19 crash.

now. The J-10C used the WS-10 to patrol the vicinity of New Delhi.

So. What is the reason for the Indian Air Force crash of 2374 Russian/French rubbish?

btw. I don't know why you insist on believing that China has MiG-21s. Maybe Modi told you in the sewer?

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I tried as much possible to avoid degradation of thread but filthy pig always like filthy. So let me fullfill his wish.

 

[Mainerik]

I tried as much possible to avoid degradation of thread but filthy pig always like filthy. So let me fullfill his wish.

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That doesn't look like China. Looks like South East Asia.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

Now is my time to ask questions.

1, Can Indian Tejas fly now?

2, What are the total flight hours of Tejas

3, Has India completed the AMCA airframe?

4, Does India have AWACS?

5, Does India have EW capability?

6, The Indian MiG-21 can shoot down F-16, so the Indian Su-30 can shoot down F-35. So why is India begging for SU-57?

Indian, dwarf. They fantasize about being NBA referees.

1. For CCP educated, it is not. For others, top class fighter of its class
2 Flying since 2001 with only 1 accident against 19 reported and more than that unreported accidents of J10.
3. Not revealed
4. AWA&Cs of India are flying for many years.

Counter question

Which radar does Chinese AWACS use? Which platform is used?
5 far superior to Chinese EW capabilities.
6. It has been answered number of times. F16 is a far superior aircraft. Mig 21 shooting down F16 was a rare event and happened because Mig 21 were accompanied by Su 30 , scarred F16 tried to escape giving Chance to Mig 21;to shoot IR missile at F16. Even pakistani general declared in press conference saying that 2 Indian jets were shot down and 3 pilots captured. Later on they realized that out of 3 pilots, 2 belonged to Pakistan. This in your tube. No chance for anybody to lie.

No I hope that you won't ask same question agai and again.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

You can try to accept the common sense of our human world.

1. China's J-20 has exceeded 200.
2. J-10 exceeds 600.
3. J-16 exceeds 400.
4. China does not have MIG-21.
5. China does not need JF-17.
6. The SU-30/35 in China has almost stopped operating.
7. Mig-21 cannot shoot down F-16.

Can you understand the language, common sense, and logic of our human world?

I would like to draw your attention to what your own Chinese media says about your own plane. Read about your junk from none other than Chinese media .

In an unusual departure for mainland Chinese-language media, the Beijing-based Sina Military Network (SMN) criticized the capabilities of the carrier-borne J-15 Flying Shark as nothing more than a “flopping fish.”

On Sept. 22, the state-controlled China Daily Times reported the new aircraft carrier Liaoning had just finished a three-month voyage and conducted over 100 sorties of “various aircraft,” of which the J-15 “took off and landed on the carrier with maximum load and various weapons.” This report was also carried on the official Liberation Army Daily.

Contradicting any report by official military or government media is unusual in China given state control of the media.

What sounded more like a rant than analysis, SMN, on Sept. 23, reported the new J-15 was incapable of flying from the Liaoning with heavy weapons, “effectively crippling its attack range and firepower.”

The fighter can take off and land on the carrier with two YJ-83K anti-ship missiles, two PL-8 air-to-air missiles, and four 500-kilogram bombs. But a weapons “load exceeding 12 tons will not get it off the carrier’s ski jump ramp.” This might prohibit it from carrying heavier munitions such as PL-12 medium-range air-to-air missiles.

To further complicate things, the J-15 can carry only two tons of weapons while fully fueled. “This would equip it with no more than two YJ-83K and two PL-8 missiles,” thus the “range of the YJ-83K prepared for the fighter will be shorter than comparable YJ-83K missiles launched from larger PLAN [People’s Liberation Army Navy] vessels. The J-15 will be boxed into less than 120 [kilometers] of attack range.”

Losing the ability to carry the PL-12 medium-range air-to-air missiles will make the J-15 an “unlikely match” against other foreign carrier-based fighters.

“Even the Vietnam People’s Air Force can outmatch the PL-8 short-range missile. Without space for an electronic countermeasure pod, a huge number of J-15s must be mobilized for even simple missions, a waste for the PLA Navy in using the precious space aboard its sole aircraft carrier in service.”

Built by the Shenyang Aircraft Corporation, the J-15 is a copy of the Russian-made Su-33. China acquired an Su-33 prototype from the Ukraine in 2001. Avionics are most likely the same as the J-11B (Su-27). In 2006, Russia accused China of reverse engineering the Su-27 and canceled a production license to build 200 Su-27s after only 95 aircraft had been built.

Vasily Kashin, a China military specialist at the Moscow-based Centre for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, suggests the J-15 might be a better aircraft than the Su-33. “I think that there might be some improvements because electronic equipment now weighs less than in the 1990s,” he said. It could also be lighter due to new composites that China is using on the J-11B that were not available on the original Su-33.

Despite improvements, Kashin wonders why the Chinese bothered with the Su-33 given the fact that Russia gave up on it. Weight problems and other issues forced the Russians to develop the MiG-29K, which has better power-to-weight ratio and can carry more weapons. “Of course, when the Chinese get their future carriers equipped with catapults, that limitation will not apply and they will be able to fully realize Su-33/J-15 potential — huge range and good payload,” Kashin said.

The Liaoning is the problem. The carrier is small — 53,000 tons — and uses a ski jump. From Russia’s experience, “taking off from the carrier with takeoff weight exceeding some 26 tons is very difficult,” Kashin said.

Roger Cliff, a China defense specialist for the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments in Washington, said this is “one of the reasons why sky-jump carriers can’t be considered to be equivalent to full-size carriers with catapults.”

A number of unanswered questions are raised by the SMN report, Kashin said, including the amount of fuel on board, carrier speed, wind speed and direction.

Cliff also raises issues with SMN’s conclusions. “It doesn’t make sense to me that the J-15 can take off with YJ-83s but not PL-12s, since the YJ-83 weighs about 1,800 pounds and the PL-12 weighs about 400 pounds.”

A possible answer is that it was unable to take off with both. “The article says that it can only carry ‘two tons’ of missiles and munitions when fully fueled, which is 4,400 pounds, and two YJ-83s plus two PL-8s would weigh over 4,000 pounds, leaving no margin for any PL-12s. But I don’t see why it couldn’t take off with PL-12s if it wasn’t carrying YJ-83s.” Cliff concludes that the J-15 should be capable of carrying PL-12s when it is flying purely air-to-air missions and that “it probably just can’t carry PL-12s when it is flying a strike mission.”

Kashin said the J-15, unlike the Su-33, should have a “potent” internal countermeasures suite, thus allowing for more space for weapons. The SMN report suggests it has an external electronic countermeasures (ECM) pod.

Weight issues should also not be too much of a problem for the J-15, he said, since the Su-33 did fly from the same type of carrier carrying “6-8 air-to-air missiles and Sorbtsia ECM pods carrying something like 6 to 6.5 tons of fuel.”

China’s next carriers will reportedly use electromagnetic catapults, Kashin said, but “limitations are significant when it comes to air-to-surface weapons, which limit the J-15’s use as a multirole fighter.

J15 is a Piece of *&*&*&*&, says Chinese media, Sina Military Network (SMN).

Now don't tell me that I say your fighters junk. It is said by Chinese media.

 

[steppeWolff]

Canard is a moving part. As soon as moves, it no more remains stealth. Either the position before movement was stealth or position after movement can be stealth. Both can not be stealth. That is the reason no other country use canard in stealth fighter.

I dont like repetitions but here we go.

The canards' edge alignment om J20 with other control surfaces helps in deflecting radar waves away from the source in multiple configurations, not just one static position. This reduces the RCS even when the canards move.

The canards on the J-20 are engineered to move within a narrow range (up to 5 degrees), which minimizes changes in the aircraft's radar profile, allowing it to remain stealthy through its operational envelope.

And Stealth isn't about being invisible from all angles at all times but about reducing detectability from the most likely threat angles. The J-20's canards contribute to high maneuverability, which is tactically beneficial, and this design makes sure they do not compromise stealth from critical angles.

That is the reason no other country use canard in stealth fighter.

MiG Project 1.44 in the 1990s included canards in its design combining stealth and canard benefits.
Lockheed Martin Joint Advanced Strike Technology (JAST) contender had early designs featuring canards, although it didn't proceed to production in that form. The McDonnell Douglas X-36 research aircraft also explored stealth with canards.

 

[steppeWolff]

It has been answered number of times. F16 is a far superior aircraft. Mig 21 shooting down F16 was a rare event and happened because Mig 21 were accompanied by Su 30 , scarred F16 tried to escape giving Chance to Mig 21;to shoot IR missile at F16. Even pakistani general declared in press conference saying that 2 Indian jets were shot down and 3 pilots captured. Later on they realized that out of 3 pilots, 2 belonged to Pakistan. This in your tube. No chance for anybody to lie.

Entire world on the other side and retarded Indian media in their own delusions on the hand lol.

IAF lost one jet, shot its own heli, entire strike package got jammed by PAF DA-20s. PAF will always have the edge and there's nothing yall can do about it.

 

[Jiangnan]

I would like to draw your attention to what your own Chinese media says about your own plane. Read about your junk from none other than Chinese media .

In an unusual departure for mainland Chinese-language media, the Beijing-based Sina Military Network (SMN) criticized the capabilities of the carrier-borne J-15 Flying Shark as nothing more than a “flopping fish.”

On Sept. 22, the state-controlled China Daily Times reported the new aircraft carrier Liaoning had just finished a three-month voyage and conducted over 100 sorties of “various aircraft,” of which the J-15 “took off and landed on the carrier with maximum load and various weapons.” This report was also carried on the official Liberation Army Daily.

Contradicting any report by official military or government media is unusual in China given state control of the media.

What sounded more like a rant than analysis, SMN, on Sept. 23, reported the new J-15 was incapable of flying from the Liaoning with heavy weapons, “effectively crippling its attack range and firepower.”

The fighter can take off and land on the carrier with two YJ-83K anti-ship missiles, two PL-8 air-to-air missiles, and four 500-kilogram bombs. But a weapons “load exceeding 12 tons will not get it off the carrier’s ski jump ramp.” This might prohibit it from carrying heavier munitions such as PL-12 medium-range air-to-air missiles.

To further complicate things, the J-15 can carry only two tons of weapons while fully fueled. “This would equip it with no more than two YJ-83K and two PL-8 missiles,” thus the “range of the YJ-83K prepared for the fighter will be shorter than comparable YJ-83K missiles launched from larger PLAN [People’s Liberation Army Navy] vessels. The J-15 will be boxed into less than 120 [kilometers] of attack range.”

Losing the ability to carry the PL-12 medium-range air-to-air missiles will make the J-15 an “unlikely match” against other foreign carrier-based fighters.

“Even the Vietnam People’s Air Force can outmatch the PL-8 short-range missile. Without space for an electronic countermeasure pod, a huge number of J-15s must be mobilized for even simple missions, a waste for the PLA Navy in using the precious space aboard its sole aircraft carrier in service.”

Built by the Shenyang Aircraft Corporation, the J-15 is a copy of the Russian-made Su-33. China acquired an Su-33 prototype from the Ukraine in 2001. Avionics are most likely the same as the J-11B (Su-27). In 2006, Russia accused China of reverse engineering the Su-27 and canceled a production license to build 200 Su-27s after only 95 aircraft had been built.

Vasily Kashin, a China military specialist at the Moscow-based Centre for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, suggests the J-15 might be a better aircraft than the Su-33. “I think that there might be some improvements because electronic equipment now weighs less than in the 1990s,” he said. It could also be lighter due to new composites that China is using on the J-11B that were not available on the original Su-33.

Despite improvements, Kashin wonders why the Chinese bothered with the Su-33 given the fact that Russia gave up on it. Weight problems and other issues forced the Russians to develop the MiG-29K, which has better power-to-weight ratio and can carry more weapons. “Of course, when the Chinese get their future carriers equipped with catapults, that limitation will not apply and they will be able to fully realize Su-33/J-15 potential — huge range and good payload,” Kashin said.

The Liaoning is the problem. The carrier is small — 53,000 tons — and uses a ski jump. From Russia’s experience, “taking off from the carrier with takeoff weight exceeding some 26 tons is very difficult,” Kashin said.

Roger Cliff, a China defense specialist for the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments in Washington, said this is “one of the reasons why sky-jump carriers can’t be considered to be equivalent to full-size carriers with catapults.”

A number of unanswered questions are raised by the SMN report, Kashin said, including the amount of fuel on board, carrier speed, wind speed and direction.

Cliff also raises issues with SMN’s conclusions. “It doesn’t make sense to me that the J-15 can take off with YJ-83s but not PL-12s, since the YJ-83 weighs about 1,800 pounds and the PL-12 weighs about 400 pounds.”

A possible answer is that it was unable to take off with both. “The article says that it can only carry ‘two tons’ of missiles and munitions when fully fueled, which is 4,400 pounds, and two YJ-83s plus two PL-8s would weigh over 4,000 pounds, leaving no margin for any PL-12s. But I don’t see why it couldn’t take off with PL-12s if it wasn’t carrying YJ-83s.” Cliff concludes that the J-15 should be capable of carrying PL-12s when it is flying purely air-to-air missions and that “it probably just can’t carry PL-12s when it is flying a strike mission.”

Kashin said the J-15, unlike the Su-33, should have a “potent” internal countermeasures suite, thus allowing for more space for weapons. The SMN report suggests it has an external electronic countermeasures (ECM) pod.

Weight issues should also not be too much of a problem for the J-15, he said, since the Su-33 did fly from the same type of carrier carrying “6-8 air-to-air missiles and Sorbtsia ECM pods carrying something like 6 to 6.5 tons of fuel.”

China’s next carriers will reportedly use electromagnetic catapults, Kashin said, but “limitations are significant when it comes to air-to-surface weapons, which limit the J-15’s use as a multirole fighter.

J15 is a Piece of &&&&, says Chinese media, Sina Military Network (SMN).

Now don't tell me that I say your fighters junk. It is said by Chinese media.

A small question. Does the Indian aircraft carrier currently have carrier based aircraft? Has an Indian aircraft carrier recently left an Indian port and launched carrier based aircraft?

J-15 is enough to massacre the Indian Navy!

 

[Krishna with Flute]

I dont like repetitions but here we go.

The canards' edge alignment om J20 with other control surfaces helps in deflecting radar waves away from the source in multiple configurations, not just one static position. This reduces the RCS even when the canards move.

The canards on the J-20 are engineered to move within a narrow range (up to 5 degrees), which minimizes changes in the aircraft's radar profile, allowing it to remain stealthy through its operational envelope.

And Stealth isn't about being invisible from all angles at all times but about reducing detectability from the most likely threat angles. The J-20's canards contribute to high maneuverability, which is tactically beneficial, and this design makes sure they do not compromise stealth from critical angles.


MiG Project 1.44 in the 1990s included canards in its design combining stealth and canard benefits.
Lockheed Martin Joint Advanced Strike Technology (JAST) contender had early designs featuring canards, although it didn't proceed to production in that form. The McDonnell Douglas X-36 research aircraft also explored stealth with canards.

I don't think you understand what I say. Same argument were made when MWF design was revealed.

A small question. Does the Indian aircraft carrier currently have carrier based aircraft? Has an Indian aircraft carrier recently left an Indian port and launched carrier based aircraft?

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J-15 is enough to massacre the Indian Navy!

We use Mig 29 as carrier based fighter which carries double the payload while taking off. It can shoot down your Junk 15 which according to your media is such junk that it can not carry more than 2 ton payload from deck. It is a copy of Russian fighter but uses Chinese engine so payload carrying reduced by 2/3. 2 tons against 6 tons because of junk Chinese engine. Your media says this. Now blame your media.

 

[Jiangnan]

I don't think you understand what I say. Same argument were made when MWF design was revealed.


We use Mig 29 as carrier based fighter which carries double the payload while taking off. It can shoot down your Junk 15 which according to your media is such junk that it can not carry more than 2 ton payload from deck. It is a copy of Russian fighter but uses Chinese engine so payload carrying reduced by 2/3. 2 tons against 6 tons because of junk Chinese engine. Your media says this. Now blame your media.

Once again. You can speak out loud about the Indian fantasy.

J-15 Massacre Indian Air Force!

Indian aircraft carrier, MIG-29？ What Rubbish?

 

[Jiangnan]

Your this delusion make you guys laughing stock across the world and fit for strip searching. By the way Asim bajwa in his press conference said that he had 3 Indian pilots in his possession. Where are other 2?

We humans know that. The Indian Air Force crashed 55 Russian junk in 5 years. Then India announced: the Indian MiG-21 shot down the F-16...

 

[Krishna with Flute]

Once again. You can speak out loud about the Indian fantasy.

J-15 Massacre by Indian Air Force!
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Indian aircraft carrier, MIG-29？ What Rubbish?

But according to your media, it can not take off with a load other than air to air missile.

We humans know that. The Indian Air Force crashed 55 Russian junk in 5 years. Then India announced: the Indian MiG-21 shot down the F-16...

We sent your 60 soldiers to hell even without shooting them down.

 

[Jiangnan]

1. For CCP educated, it is not. For others, top class fighter of its class
2 Flying since 2001 with only 1 accident against 19 reported and more than that unreported accidents of J10.
3. Not revealed
4. AWA&Cs of India are flying for many years.
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Counter question

Which radar does Chinese AWACS use? Which platform is used?
5 far superior to Chinese EW capabilities.
6. It has been answered number of times. F16 is a far superior aircraft. Mig 21 shooting down F16 was a rare event and happened because Mig 21 were accompanied by Su 30 , scarred F16 tried to escape giving Chance to Mig 21;to shoot IR missile at F16. Even pakistani general declared in press conference saying that 2 Indian jets were shot down and 3 pilots captured. Later on they realized that out of 3 pilots, 2 belonged to Pakistan. This in your tube. No chance for anybody to lie.

No I hope that you won't ask same question agai and again.

Answer our human questions. And explain your logic! little India!

1. China's J-20 has exceeded 200.
2. J-10 exceeds 600.
3. J-16 exceeds 400.

I asked you： Is China buying JF-17? Does China use SU-30/35? Does China have MiG-21?

J-10C exceeds 600. Crashed 19. How many Tejas are there? How many crash accidents are hidden? Tejas can fly now?

The Indian Air Force crashed 55 Russian junk in 5 years. Then India announced: the Indian MiG-21 shot down the F-16.

Indian AWACS and EW? What kind of joke is this? When will they take off? Who are they fighting against?

Stinky India. This is not an Indian sewer!

 

[Jiangnan]

But according to your media, it can not take off with a load other than air to air missile.



We sent your 60 soldiers to hell even without shooting them down.

Answer our human questions!

J-10C exceeds 600. How many Tejas are there? How many crash accidents are hidden? Tejas can fly now?

Look. The pile of bodies of dalit soldiers.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

How many times would you post same pictures and post? Is this taught in Xi's reeducation school to you?

 

[Jiangnan]

But according to your media, it can not take off with a load other than air to air missile.



We sent your 60 soldiers to hell even without shooting them down.

Indians explain your logic to our human world!

The Indian Air Force crashed 55 Russian junk in 5 years. Then India announced: the Indian MiG-21 shot down the F-16.

How funny do you think this Indian joke is?