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Krishna with Flute said:
Thepala is a divine recipe. Those who are lucky, get a chance to eat Thepal. Those who are more lucky get a chance to eat them with white cow butter and Dhaniya, Fudina Chutny. Eating thepla boosts a human being's mental, physical strength and immunity. Bolo Radhe, Radhe.
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Yes. But why is your average state IQ so low. Only Orissa, Bihar, UP are lower than you.

You dont marry cousins.

You eat thepla.

For 2 millennia.

If indeed both of the above are brainpower improvers, you must have started really low.
 
Vsdoc said:
It seems the forum has some experts here who like butterflies flit between fantastical mythology with zero credulous basis in fact and western science but are permanently divorced from hard statistics -

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You are totally off the topic and posts here which is totally irrelevant. We are not discussing the IQ here. The topic under discussion is whether close marriages affect mental and physical wellbeing. Please stick to the topic.
 
Krishna with Flute said:
You are totally off the topic and posts here which is totally irrelevant. We are not discussing the IQ here. The topic under discussion is whether close marriages affect mental and physical wellbeing. Please stick to the topic.
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What is IQ if not mental?

Metaphysical?

Bhai learn how to eat humble pie sometime.

Its like us when we join AIIMS or AFMC.

Sab apne school ke topper hote hain. Think they big tuts.

Then they come to a national institute. And see big and bigger tuts all around.

Learn some humility and acceptance.

I suggest Buddhism.
 
Vsdoc said:
Muslims say exactly the same about the Quran.
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The difference is that Quran is not taught in management school, Islamic scholars are not called in universities for debate, Judges and space scientist do not go Muslim scholars to seek their guidance for how to deliver justice or to solve riddles in space mission. Quran does not have the maths, Quran does not preach how to build super buildings which lasts for thousands of years. Quranic practices are not recognized and taught across the world for mental and physical wellbeing. If you sideline your commie bias and let your brain, think neutrally, it is not very difficult to visualize the difference.
 
Krishna with Flute said:
The difference is that Quran is not taught in management school, Islamic scholars are not called in universities for debate, Judges and space scientist do not go Muslim scholars to seek their guidance for how to deliver justice or to solve riddles in space mission. Quran does not have the maths, Quran does not preach how to build super buildings which lasts for thousands of years. Quranic practices are not recognized and taught across the world for mental and physical wellbeing. If you sideline your commie bias and let your brain, think neutrally, it is not very difficult to visualize the difference.
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Actually, I only mentioned the Quran because it was you.

Every major religion says the same about their holy books.

What do you have against commies?

Why do you continue to regurgitate American tropes?

Is it ordained by your demi God anpadh teli? That's why?

Subliminal programming of lemmings 101.
 
8 decades of our existence we have been propped up and protected under a Commie umbrella.

A commie leader stood between us and the 7th fleet in 1971.

A commie submarine commander surfaced and opened his middle hatches in plain sight of a US flotilla steaming in.

But mandbuddhis ke liye commie is the enemy.

And America ka lun chaatna param dharm hai.
 
Vsdoc said:
What is IQ if not mental?

Metaphysical?

Bhai learn how to eat humble pie sometime.

Its like us when we join AIIMS or AFMC.

Sab apne school ke topper hote hain. Think they big tuts.

Then they come to a national institute. And see big and bigger tuts all around.

Learn some humility and acceptance.

I suggest Buddhism.
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All Indian regions have their root in Vedas. If you know (I do not claim that I know) vedas, you know every religions.

Here is Pragya is defined in Vedic literature and how it is far superior to what we know as IQ which analytical in nature. Here is something I extracted from net.

Meaning of Pragya (Prajñā / Intuitive Intelligence)

In Yoga philosophy, Prajñā is not mere intellect (buddhi), but the power of consciousness to know truth directly — beyond reasoning, sense perception, and memory.
It is the “light of awareness” (Chit Shakti) that, when purified through yoga, reveals reality as it is (Yathābhūta-jñāna).
​
🕉️ Levels / Types of Pragya (as per Yogic and Vedantic systems)
Different texts describe the types of Pragya in slightly different ways, but they all point to progressive refinement of intelligence — from ordinary reasoning to cosmic truth-bearing wisdom.
Below is a synthesis from Yoga Sutras, Vedanta, Mandukya Upanishad, and Tantric Yoga traditions.
​
1. Laukika Pragya (Worldly Intelligence — लौकिक प्रज्ञा)

  • Source: Senses and ordinary mind (manas–buddhi).
  • Nature: Analytical, logical, and practical.
  • Function: Deals with survival, career, planning, reasoning.
  • Limitation: Bound by ego, duality, and subjectivity. Cannot grasp higher truths.
🪷 Equivalent term: “Apara Vidyā” (lower knowledge) in the Mundaka Upanishad.
​
2. Shastriya Pragya (Scriptural or Conceptual Wisdom — शास्त्रीय प्रज्ञा)
  • Source: Scriptures, teachers, reasoning (śruti–yukti).
  • Nature: Cultured intellect guided by dharma and tradition.
  • Function: Interprets and applies spiritual teachings correctly.
  • Limitation: Still indirect knowledge (parokṣa-jñāna); not yet experiential.
Develops through study (svādhyāya), satsanga, and contemplation.
​
3. Yogaja Pragya (Yogically Born Intuition — योगज प्रज्ञा)
  • Source: Deep concentration (dhyāna, samādhi).
  • Nature: Intuitive insight born of inner purity.
  • Function: Reveals hidden truths, subtle realities, and powers (siddhis).
  • Limitation: Still associated with mental activity and object of meditation.
🪷 Mentioned by Patanjali: “Prajñā” arises from meditation beyond logic —
Yoga Sutra I.47 — “Nirvicāra vaiśāradye adhyātma prajñā”
“When purity arises in nirvicāra (non-discursive meditation), spiritual insight dawns.”
​
4. Ṛtambharā Pragya (Truth-bearing Wisdom — ऋतम्भरा प्रज्ञा)
  • Source: Deep Samadhi (beyond discursive mind).
  • Nature: Absolute truth-bearing intelligence.
  • Function: Perceives ṛta — cosmic truth/order — exactly as it is.
  • Characteristics:
    • Spontaneous and errorless
    • Beyond logic, inference, and scripture
    • Perceives universal harmony and divine order
Yoga Sutra I.48 — “ṛtambharā tatra prajñā”
“Then (in that state), consciousness becomes truth-bearing.”
​
5. Para Pragya (Supreme or Transcendental Wisdom — परा प्रज्ञा)

  • Source: Asamprajñāta Samadhi / Atma Sakshatkara.
  • Nature: Non-dual awareness — the Self knowing itself.
  • Function: Liberation (Kaivalya). Beyond knowledge and knower.
  • Characteristics:
    • Beyond words, concepts, or distinction
    • The culmination of all yogic wisdom
Mandukya Upanishad (Verse 7) calls it:
“Prajñānaghana” — “a mass of pure consciousness.”
“Esha sarveśvara, eṣa sarvajña, eṣo’ntaryāmī…”
“This is the Lord of all, the all-knower, the inner Self.”
​
Summary Table
Level​
Sanskrit Term​
Description​
Nature of Knowing​
Yogic State​
1Laukika PragyaOrdinary intellectSense-basedWaking mind
2Shastriya PragyaScriptural / reasoning-basedConceptualContemplation
3Yogaja PragyaIntuitive insight from meditationExperiential but limitedDhyāna / Savichāra Samādhi
4Ṛtambharā PragyaTruth-bearing wisdomDirect perception of cosmic orderNirvichāra Samādhi
5Para PragyaSupreme wisdom / Self-awarenessNon-dual realizationAsamprajñāta Samādhi
​
🌄 In Essence

  • Mind (manas) collects impressions.
  • Intellect (buddhi) discriminates.
  • Pragya illuminates truth directly.
  • Ṛtambharā Pragya is the purified light of buddhi reflecting divine order.
  • Para Pragya is the merger of the light and its source — the Self (Ātman).
​
 
Krishna with Flute said:
All Indian regions have their root in Vedas. If you know (I do not claim that I know) vedas, you know every religions.

Here is Pragya is defined in Vedic literature and how it is far superior to what we know as IQ which analytical in nature. Here is something I extracted from net.

Meaning of Pragya (Prajñā / Intuitive Intelligence)

In Yoga philosophy, Prajñā is not mere intellect (buddhi), but the power of consciousness to know truth directly — beyond reasoning, sense perception, and memory.
It is the “light of awareness” (Chit Shakti) that, when purified through yoga, reveals reality as it is (Yathābhūta-jñāna).
​

​
🕉️ Levels / Types of Pragya (as per Yogic and Vedantic systems)
Different texts describe the types of Pragya in slightly different ways, but they all point to progressive refinement of intelligence — from ordinary reasoning to cosmic truth-bearing wisdom.
Below is a synthesis from Yoga Sutras, Vedanta, Mandukya Upanishad, and Tantric Yoga traditions.
​

​
1. Laukika Pragya (Worldly Intelligence — लौकिक प्रज्ञा)

  • Source: Senses and ordinary mind (manas–buddhi).
  • Nature: Analytical, logical, and practical.
  • Function: Deals with survival, career, planning, reasoning.
  • Limitation: Bound by ego, duality, and subjectivity. Cannot grasp higher truths.
🪷 Equivalent term: “Apara Vidyā” (lower knowledge) in the Mundaka Upanishad.
​

​
2. Shastriya Pragya (Scriptural or Conceptual Wisdom — शास्त्रीय प्रज्ञा)
  • Source: Scriptures, teachers, reasoning (śruti–yukti).
  • Nature: Cultured intellect guided by dharma and tradition.
  • Function: Interprets and applies spiritual teachings correctly.
  • Limitation: Still indirect knowledge (parokṣa-jñāna); not yet experiential.
Develops through study (svādhyāya), satsanga, and contemplation.
​

​
3. Yogaja Pragya (Yogically Born Intuition — योगज प्रज्ञा)
  • Source: Deep concentration (dhyāna, samādhi).
  • Nature: Intuitive insight born of inner purity.
  • Function: Reveals hidden truths, subtle realities, and powers (siddhis).
  • Limitation: Still associated with mental activity and object of meditation.
🪷 Mentioned by Patanjali: “Prajñā” arises from meditation beyond logic —
Yoga Sutra I.47 — “Nirvicāra vaiśāradye adhyātma prajñā”
“When purity arises in nirvicāra (non-discursive meditation), spiritual insight dawns.”
​

​
4. Ṛtambharā Pragya (Truth-bearing Wisdom — ऋतम्भरा प्रज्ञा)
  • Source: Deep Samadhi (beyond discursive mind).
  • Nature: Absolute truth-bearing intelligence.
  • Function: Perceives ṛta — cosmic truth/order — exactly as it is.
  • Characteristics:
    • Spontaneous and errorless
    • Beyond logic, inference, and scripture
    • Perceives universal harmony and divine order
Yoga Sutra I.48 — “ṛtambharā tatra prajñā”
“Then (in that state), consciousness becomes truth-bearing.”
​

​
5. Para Pragya (Supreme or Transcendental Wisdom — परा प्रज्ञा)

  • Source: Asamprajñāta Samadhi / Atma Sakshatkara.
  • Nature: Non-dual awareness — the Self knowing itself.
  • Function: Liberation (Kaivalya). Beyond knowledge and knower.
  • Characteristics:
    • Beyond words, concepts, or distinction
    • The culmination of all yogic wisdom
Mandukya Upanishad (Verse 7) calls it:
“Prajñānaghana” — “a mass of pure consciousness.”
“Esha sarveśvara, eṣa sarvajña, eṣo’ntaryāmī…”
“This is the Lord of all, the all-knower, the inner Self.”
​

​
Summary Table
Level​
Sanskrit Term​
Description​
Nature of Knowing​
Yogic State​
1Laukika PragyaOrdinary intellectSense-basedWaking mind
2Shastriya PragyaScriptural / reasoning-basedConceptualContemplation
3Yogaja PragyaIntuitive insight from meditationExperiential but limitedDhyāna / Savichāra Samādhi
4Ṛtambharā PragyaTruth-bearing wisdomDirect perception of cosmic orderNirvichāra Samādhi
5Para PragyaSupreme wisdom / Self-awarenessNon-dual realizationAsamprajñāta Samādhi
​

​
🌄 In Essence

  • Mind (manas) collects impressions.
  • Intellect (buddhi) discriminates.
  • Pragya illuminates truth directly.
  • Ṛtambharā Pragya is the purified light of buddhi reflecting divine order.
  • Para Pragya is the merger of the light and its source — the Self (Ātman).
​

​
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Cool.

Give me the Indian state wise Pragya rankings.
 
Vsdoc said:
8 decades of our existence we have been propped up and protected under a Commie umbrella.

A commie leader stood between us and the 7th fleet in 1971.

A commie submarine commander surfaced and opened his middle hatches in plain sight of a US flotilla steaming in.

But mandbuddhis ke liye commie is the enemy.

And America ka lun chaatna param dharm hai.
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Once again you are off the topic. I do not discuss here the international relation with communist country. What I discuss here is a commie mindset, a thinking pattern to believe something and discarding rest without due consideration and keep believing some ideology which is proved be a time-tested failure.
 
Krishna with Flute said:
Once again you are off the topic. I do not discuss here the international relation with communist country, what I discuss here is a commie mindset, a thinking pattern to believe something and discarding rest without due consideration and keep believing some ideology which is proved be a time-tested failure.
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Well, that mindset stood for us. Protected us.

The mindset of a gujju, capitalism, is our sworn enemy.

I understand where you are coming from.

But India is not Gujarat.

India is a socialist republic. Of poor people. Who need to be protected from greedy Gujju oligarchs.
 
Krishna with Flute said:
It is rare and not surveyed like IQ which is easy to survey by a BS questionary. When I was in school, I attended one IQ test and scored very high rank. However. I remained a by and large a failure in practical life.
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Bhai, wake me up when your superior system has a ranking.

I am a western medicine practitioner. I'm reasonably open minded.

But I need to see evidence and answers to my questions and data.

Not tall claims of superiority backed by nothing.
 
Vsdoc said:
Well, that mindset stood for us. Protected us.

The mindset of a gujju, capitalism, is our sworn enemy.

I understand where you are coming from.

But India is not Gujarat.

India is a socialist republic. Of poor people. Who need to be protected from greedy Gujju oligarchs.
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That is the most unfortunate. Had India been Gujarat, We would have been a four times bigger economy. You forgot to add that commies grabbed our 38000 Sq K.M. of land. Non Gujjus have history of surrendering to commie either ideologically or practically. Gujju made worse commies retracted from Himalayas. People from commie states comes to Gujarat for livelihood and most funny thing is that they make capitalist Gujarat their permanent residence. They do not want to go back to the exploitative states ruled by commies.
 
Vsdoc said:
Bhai, wake me up when your superior system has a ranking.

I am a western medicine practitioner. I'm reasonably open minded.

But I need to see evidence and answers to my questions and data.

Not tall claims of superiority backed by nothing.
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I gave you many examples, but you are unwilling to pay attention.
 
Krishna with Flute said:
That is the most unfortunate. Had India been Gujarat, We would have been a four times bigger economy. You forgot to add that commies grabbed our 38000 Sq K.M. of land. Non Gujjus have history of surrendering to commie either ideologically or practically. Gujju made worse commies retracted from Himalayas. People from commie states comes to Gujarat for livelihood and most funny thing is that they make capitalist Gujarat their permanent residence. They do not want to go back to the exploitative states ruled by commies.
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You did not reply.

Why the hatred for commies?

Because US hates them?

Because the US is such a success?
 
Vsdoc said:
You did not reply.

Why the hatred for commies?

Because US hates them?

Because the US is such a success?
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Why hatred? Cunning people. Wants to propagate their failed ideology to make other nation fail like the failure of other commie countries. US is far batter than commies who killed their own people worse than animals.

I have nothing to do with US. US is also not a success story. Their economy based on exploitative ideology is bound to collapse.
 
Krishna with Flute said:
Why hatred? Cunning people. Wants to propagate their failed ideology to make other nation fail like the failure of other commie countries. US is far batter than commies who killed their own people worse than animals.

I have nothing to do with US. US is also not a success story. Their economy based on exploitative ideology is bound to collapse.
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The fact that you find the US better than the USSR/Russia speaks volumes.

I rest my case.

There is a reason why we must destroy your ideology and ecosystem for the nation to survive.

Total and complete sarvanash.
 
Vsdoc said:
Not one.

Im specifically interested in inter state comparisons.

Do you have any pragya examples of ranking for the same?
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It has already been answered many times, which you are unwilling read. It is not important what you want to discuss. If you want to discuss interstate IQ comparison, start a new discussion. I am repeating this third or forth time and last time. It was about close marriages results into IQ and physical health degradation or not?
 
Krishna with Flute said:
It has already been answered many times, which you are unwilling read. It is not important what you want to discuss. If you want to discuss interstate IQ comparison, start a new discussion. I am repeating this third or forth time and last time. It was about close marriages results into IQ and physical health degradation or not?
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No. The evidence is hugely indicative.
 
Vsdoc said:
The fact that you find the US better than the USSR/Russia speaks volumes.

I rest my case.

There is a reason why we must destroy your ideology and ecosystem for the nation to survive.

Total and complete sarvanash.
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and replace with what ? Italian foreign impure blood imposed dynastic socialism and general all round dalitry ?
 
Vsdoc said:
Sanghis like most mulls are chtyas.

Say no to chtyas.
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Those who said no to sanghis became irrelevant on any public form/ platform, be it journalism, polity or anything. Commies, who ruled Bengal for 5 decades have scored zero seats in last two elections so as Congress.

Kyon Janab kya chal raha hai aaj kal.

Abhi to sirf Sangh Chal raha hai.
 
Krishna with Flute said:
Those who said no to sanghis became irrelevant on any public form/ platform, be it journalism, polity or anything. Commies, who ruled Bengal for 5 decades have scored zero seats in last two elections so as Congress.

Kyon Janab kya chal raha hai aaj kal.

Abhi to sirf Sangh Chal raha hai.
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Haan.

Chtye hain saare.
 
Vsdoc said:
Sorry. No chtya ranking scale.

Like your legendary pragya scale.

I just use my innate senses.

If it walks like a chtya.

Talks like a chtya.

Looks like a chtya.

Smells like a chtya.

Must be a chtya.
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Using chtya four five times would have portrayed you more intellectual. You missed the opportunity.
 
This thing is called an “Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System，EMALS”



Many backward agricultural countries do not understand. But it's not important. After all, these backward agricultural countries cannot even manufacture rifles.
 

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