[🇮🇷] A tale of two cities

[Lulldapull]

Date of Event: Dec 14, 2024

Source : https://www.PKDefense.com Short Summary: Discussion on Chahbahar vs Gwader

I'm starting this thread because this Gwader situation has started psychologically bothering me that how come its sister city of Chahbahar in Iran is doing well despite sanctions and what not and our Gwader is under lockdown curfew. Please note both sides of the divide are Sunni Baloch people and our Baloch go over to the Irani side freely and about a million have now migrated to Iran for a better life.

So any related news is welcome to discuss how one city is near thriving, whilst the other is in real trouble.

Some pics of Chahbahar:

 

[Lulldapull]

Some more pics of Chabahar:

 

[Lulldapull]

 

[Lulldapull]

Chahbahar doing good, but on our side there is trouble all the time. Nobody knows what the problem is on our side:

Gwadar under complete curfew amid war-like conditions in POB

BYC said that due to the communication blackout, they lack complete information about the national gathering in Gwadar.

www.newsintervention.com

 

[Bilal9]

Don't take this the wrong way, but posting pictures of Chabahar from Internet sources is questionable.

Especially if you source pictures from Indian sources - they will put in pictures of Chinese or American ports as Chabahar. You have to know about types of container handling equipment, posting pictures of any old container port could make you look bad. I personally appreciate your effort - but let's be factual and accurate.

Also - you can search using Google images, or go to the Chabahar port official site itself (http://chabaharport.pmo.ir). Most of the pictures you posted are not of Chabahar port.

If you post non-credible or wrong pictures, then that puts the reputation of this forum in question as a fraudulent source.

But the main crux of the news you mention in this thread is a non-issue. India wanted to get two things out of Chabahar.

1. Bypass Pakistan and China to get land access to Russian mainland via Azerbaizan.
2. Get access to Afghan mainland (for mined mineral products - mainly iron)

All this is in question, as China seems to have convinced Iran to drop India as a development partner. See the following article in India Today from November 2024 and make your own conclusions.

These pictures below are from the official site of the port (my best estimation with sources involved).

Picture below is of Port of Long Beach in Los Angeles, link is Blackstone and KKR Eye Port of Long Beach Terminal

Here are recent discussions about Chabahar port on why the Iranians (and Indians too) are having second thoughts about the Indian involvement.

Why is India Reluctant to engage with Chabahar Port? Seyed Emamian Answers

India's reluctance to fully embrace Chabahar Port raises eyebrows. India Today Global sits down with Iranian expert Sayeed Emamian,to uncover the hidden reasons behind India's hesitation and the complexities of India-Iran ties.

www.indiatoday.in

This is from an Iranian News Magazine.

توسعه چابهار چطور از فیلم‌هندی عبور کنیم؟

با توجه به بالا و پایین‌های پروژه چابهار در این سال‌ها و با توجه به کارشکنی‌های هند با حمایت آمریکا، آمریکایی‌ها موافقت تلویحی خود را با اجرای پروژه چابهار اعلام کرده‌اند. در این راستا در حال حاضر دو نگاه وجود دارد.

farhikhtegandaily.com

Brother @Aryobarzan - your comments and thoughts please.

 

[Bilal9]

Chahbahar doing good, but on our side there is trouble all the time. Nobody knows what the problem is on our side:

Gwadar under complete curfew amid war-like conditions in POB

BYC said that due to the communication blackout, they lack complete information about the national gathering in Gwadar.

www.newsintervention.com

There is no trouble.

China is establishing a link to Xinjiang using Gwadar (providing a sea link),

Chabahar has two different purposes -

1. Connection (Rail Link) via Zahedan - which has trucking links to most of Afghanistan. This was advantageous to India, emphasis on "Was".
2. Connection to Russian mainland via Azerbaijan (via road ways though Iran's Northern border). This is a much shorter route than through busy EU coastal route and via St. Petersburg, Riga, Tallinn etc.
3. For India it is a great advantage to connect via Iran+Azerbaijan to Russian mainland.

 

[Lulldapull]

There is no trouble.

China is establishing a link to Xinjiang using Gwadar (providing a sea link),

Chabahar has two different purposes -

1. Connection (Rail Link) via Zahedan - which has trucking links to most of Afghanistan. This was advantageous to India, emphasis on "Was".
2. Connection to Russian mainland via Azerbaijan (via road ways though Iran's Northern border). This is a much shorter route than through busy EU coastal route and via St. Petersburg, Riga, Tallinn etc.
3. For India it is a great advantage to connect via Iran+Azerbaijan to Russian mainland.

Bhai we can’t even go to balochistan for fear of being killed.

You can still go to Karachi Lahore or Islamabad, but going to Quetta or Gwader is risky.

And the pics of chahbahar are what’s on the net no?

Why would they fake those pics?

 

[Lulldapull]

Also I believe this port is not really meant for Central Asia much as the economies there are very small.

What this port will serve as its main purpose is for the INSTEC corridor between Russia Iran and India.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Pics seem legit @Bilal9 ..

 

[Lulldapull]

Pics seem legit @Bilal9 ..

US will do nothing bhai. India has its own interests trading with Russia and Iran and it’s a question of sovereignty now for India!

India has invested half a billion into chahbahar and its already bearing fruit.

I feel cheated that our Gwader is in the doldrums despite all the fanfare and game changer and whatnot. CPEC is on hold indefinitely now bhai.

Bajwa got told to gradually ease China out of Pakistan……or else!

 

[Lulldapull]

Shabbar Zaidi on air said what I did Sharma……no joke bhai…..

Can you believe he actually said it on air k Abbu G say order aya hae k China ko aap duffa karain vurna Abbu G will mercilessly destroy you with just the stroke of a pen.

IMF loan bund!

And he said that this happened only a couple of years after CPEC started.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Bajwa got told to gradually ease China out of Pakistan……or else!

I said years and years ago when there was much festivity around the Gwadar CPEC thing there.. ki Pk don't have the diplomatic capital to balance the US - China rivalry.

India can, Israel Iran, US Russia etc..

Story of Pak, I been banned multiple times there for saying Pk always looking for a sugar daddy.. kabhi China China, kabhi Turkiye, kabhi US.. beech me there was also a frenzied discussion about elbowing India out of their Russian frandship.

Khud ni karna kaam, but.

As we say in Haryanvi... yo ke baat hui, chhorey ?

 

[Lulldapull]

I said years and years ago when there was much festivity around the Gwadar CPEC thing there.. ki Pk don't have the diplomatic capital to balance the US - China rivalry.

India can, Israel Iran, US Russia etc..

Story of Pak, I been banned multiple times there for saying Pk always looking for a sugar daddy.. kabhi China China, kabhi Turkiye, kabhi US.. beech me there was also a frenzied discussion about elbowing India out of their Russian frandship.

Khud ni karna kaam, but.

As we say in Haryanvi... yo ke baat hui, chhorey ?

It’s so unfortunate that now even China looks at us with suspicion.

Aap batao k China ko bhee zaleel kar k duffa ker diya.

You can’t make this shiit up. We are really in the doldrums.

 

[Sharma Ji]

It’s so unfortunate that now even China looks at us with suspicion.

Aap batao k China ko bhee zaleel kar k duffa ker diya.

You can’t make this shiit up. We are really in the doldrums.

More like in the middle of a Typhoon, bhai.

Doldrums means no winds, around equator.. all sailboat and sail ships just drift there with no wind to harness... currents take em wherever.

Lol.. it's sad, man.

Greedy general sbs running that operation, dubai k rahengey aapkey mulk ko.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Doobai... UP speak for drowning... not the UAE

 

[Sharma Ji]

Humri naiyya doobai diye oo log.

 

[Lulldapull]

Doobai... UP speak for drowning... not the UAE

China spent $26 billion so far on CPEC, out of a proposed $60 billion envisaged.

I believe that it was sensible of China to stop any further investments because Pakistan was unable to repay the loans in installments on the $26 billion amount.

Ab to sub khatam bhai. Its all over now. Nobody even talks about CPEC or BRI.

On the other side of the border the Chinese offered Iran $450 billion in BRI projects, aur Iran ne kaha maaf karo bhai......we already have good infrastructure and don't really need it.

 

[Lulldapull]

Pakistani's over on our other forum say Assad was bad no? Look what's happening in your own country:

Protesters, forces trade blame over violence in Gwadar

• Soldier martyred, lieutenant among 16 personnel injured, says ISPR • Mahrang claims hundreds of BYC supporters rounded up

www.dawn.com

 

[Mainerik]

@Aryobarzan