🌎 Number of Chinese illegally jumping the US border fences - Monthly updates.

[Hamartia Antidote]

 

[Beijingwalker]

It's from all over the world, this is pitching US into a civil war

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

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Fiscal Year Oct-Sept

Year	Chinese apprehended
2021	23,471
2022	27,756
2023	52,700
2024	23,027*

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

It's from all over the world, this is pitching US into a civil war

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Yes, lots of third world countries have people fleeing their failed states. China is accelerating if you look at the table.

The total for fiscal year 2024 (23, 027) has almost exceeded all of 2021 (23,471).

 

[Beijingwalker]

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Fiscal Year Oct-Sept

Year	Chinese apprehended
2021	23,471
2022	27,756
2023	52,700
2024	23,027*

China has 1.4 billion people and only account for 2% of US total illegal immigrants. Actually China has a long tradition of emigrating due to high population density, most Chinese immigrants go to the south east Asian countries.

 

[Beijingwalker]

Yes, lots of third world countries have people fleeing their failed states

Is China a third world failed state? is this what you " go back to China" politicians taught you?

 

[Beijingwalker]

Yes, lots of third world countries have people fleeing their failed states. China is accelerating if you look at the table.

If you believe that the Chinese immigrants only go to developed countries, you are just dead wrong.

There are over 50 million overseas Chinese. Most of them are living in Southeast Asia where they make up a majority of the population of Singapore (75%) and significant minority populations in Malaysia (22.8%), Thailand (14%) and Brunei (10%).

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Is China a third world failed state? is this what you " go back to China" politicians taught you?

LOL! How many US citizens are jumping the Chinese borders illegally?

According to your population logic if you have say 5 times as much population as the US you should see 52,700/5=10,540 American jumping your border fences illegally last year.

Did you see that?

Your pathetic coping excuses are really sad.
There is nothing like that...time to wake up to reality.

 

[Beijingwalker]

LOL! How many US citizens are jumping the Chinese borders illegally?

According to your population logic if you have say 5 times as much population as the US you should see 52,700/5=10,540 American jumping your border fences last year.

Do you see that?

China is not an immigration country, it's almost impossible for foreigners to become Chinese citizens. US is a new world country, almost 100% made of foreign immigrants. You yourself is also an immigrant.

 

[TheNewb77]

Reminder guys, keep the conversation civil. You can debate and argue but in a civilized manner. Both the US and China are great countries in their own ways & have their own flaws.

Just have a normal discussion and understand the opposing argument.

 

[Beijingwalker]

Your pathetic coping excuses are really sad.
There is nothing like that...time to wake up to reality.

What I m saying is all true, Chinese people emigrate to other countries for hundreds if not thousands of years due to high population density, most of them go to South East Asian countries as the chart above shows.

 

[Beijingwalker]

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

What I m saying is all true, Chinese people emigrate to other countries for hundreds if not thousands of years due to high population density, most of them go to South East Asian countries as the chart above shows.

So you are saying thousands (if not millions) of people from China are actively breaking the law in countries around the world today by overstaying their visas or jumping their border fences. Yet you find this "normal" and not a sign of a problem?

China is not an immigration country, it's almost impossible for foreigners to become Chinese citizens. US is a new world country, almost 100% made of foreign immigrants. You yourself is also an immigrant.

What are you talking about? Chinese people jumping the US border and running down the streets aren't going to be citizens. They will live a life in the underground without paperwork just like somebody who jumps the Chinese fence.

Or maybe in China people can take jobs without any identification so you don't understand things.

 

[Beijingwalker]

Chinese diaspora are also a dominant force for the southeast Asian countries economies

 

[Beijingwalker]

What are you talking about? Chinese people jumping the US border and running down the streets aren't going to be citizens. They will live a life in the underground without paperwork just like somebody who jumps the Chinese fence.

They will become US citizens like you one day, I lived in US and I know how it works. and they only account for a tiny 2% of the total illegal immigrants, why you worry so much about them instead of the rest 98% ?

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

They will become US citizens like you one day, I lived in US and I know how it works.

No they won't. What ignorance are you talking from?

If you jump a border fence and sneak into a country without any proper id you are not going to become a citizen. There is no magic timer that goes off suddenly causing citizenship paperwork to appear out of thin air.

How your mind works is simply baffling.
You are just doing desperate coping to try and explain things away.

 

[Yellow is Okay]

It's from all over the world, this is pitching US into a civil war

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I understand why Vietnamese and Filipino people might migrate illegally to the US, but I’m curious about the Koreans who are also there in the list since their country is already developed.

 

[Beijingwalker]

No they won't. What ignorance are you talking from?

If you jump a border fence and sneak into a country without any proper id you are not going to become a citizen. There is no magic timer that goes off suddenly causing citizenship paperwork to appear out of thin air.

They will, maybe your ancestors became the US citizen the same way, they follow some fixed procedeurs and in the end all of them become US citizens. this is very typical for illegal immigrants from Fujian province in China. They actually all have some relatives who are US citizens and the connections help them to become US citizens on day.

 

[Beijingwalker]

I understand why Vietnamese and Filipino people might migrate illegally to the US, but I’m curious about the Koreans who are also there in the list since their country is already developed.

They all have some families who are US citizens and their families in US pay for the illegal trips for them to go to US.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

They will, maybe your ancestors became the US citizen the same way,

They filled out some immigration paperwork, got on a boat that took them to Elis Island, got processed by US customs and given legal paperwork.


This is far different than somebody illegally jumping over a remote border fence and running for their lives through the Arizona desert. LOL!!!!!

Chinese Stuffed in the trunk of a car!

More Chinese in a car trunk...oh sure future citizens...LOL!!

Apparently you have a weird problem understanding this difference.

These people are going to be working under the table in fields picking vegetables or worse in some sketchy Asian massage parlor as prostitutes.

 

[Beijingwalker]

They filled out some immigration paperwork, got on a boat that took them to Elis Island, got processed by US customs and given legal paperwork.

This is far different than somebody jumping over a remote border fence and running through the Arizona desert. LOL!!!!!

Apparently you have a problem understanding this difference.

They reach US by different routes, some from the sea and some via land, there is a vast criminal networks operating in US doing this kind of business, those people all have families in US who pay huge money to smuggle their families into US. A lot of frauds and scams involved in this business. I lived in US and heard a lot of those people. Many local lawyers in US make their living solely from those people.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

They reach US by different routes, some from the sea and some via land, there is a vast criminal networks operating in US doing this kind of business, those people all have families in US who pay huge money to smuggle their families into US. A lot of frauds and scams involved in this business. I lived in US and heard a lot of those people. Many local lawyers in US make their living solely from those people.

Oh so now suddenly you admit Chinese nationals are fleeing China and entering the US illegally.

Suddenly no mention of this citizenship paperwork magically appearing. Glad you gave up on that silliness!

 

[Beijingwalker]

Oh so now suddenly you admit Chinese nationals are fleeing China and entering the US illegally.

Suddenly no mention of this citizenship paperwork magically appearing. Glad you gave up on that silliness!

I never denied that some Chinese nationals illegally travel to US.
The stories I heard in US was that in Fujian rural villages, some smugglers go to almost every house and try to convince the locals to make that trip, they promoise them the heavens and the local villages don't have much knowledge about the outside world and many fall for the scam. Most of them have families living in US, most are very distant relatives though, this is why most Chinese illegal immigrants into US are mainly from one province, Fujian.
They pay the "snake heads" around $50,000 and the smugglers will arrange a trip for them to reach US, after reaching US, the smugglers usually also take care of them for a short period of time, helping them to find a job and getting a lawyer for their naturalization process.

 

[Beijingwalker]

Those illegal immigrants are mostly from rural mountainous regions in Fujian province who can barely read, this is the reason many of them fall for the scam. there is a joke among the Chinese communities in US, I don't know it's true or just a joke. It's said that those illegal immigrants are basically iliterates, when they see People's bank of China, 中国人民银行 in New York China town， they read 中国人民很行 Chinese people are really good.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

I never denied that some Chinese nationals illegally travel to US.
The stories I heard in US was that in Fujian rural villages, some smugglers go to almost every house and try to convince the locals to make that trip, they promoise them the heavens and the local villages don't have much knowledge about the outside world and many fall for the scam. Most of them have families living in US, most are very distant relatives though, this is why most Chinese illegal immigrants into US are mainly from one province, Fujian.
They pay the "snake heads" around $50,000 and the smugglers will arrange a trip for them to reach US, after reaching US, the smugglers usually also take care of them for a short period of time, helping them to find a job and getting a lawyer for their naturalization process.

LOL! It doesn't work that way. The only way that works is if you turn yourself in at the border/embassy and ask for asylum.
Jumping the border and entering the US illegally will likely immediately disqualify you from any naturalization process.

 

[Beijingwalker]

LOL! It doesn't work that way. The only way that works is if you turn yourself in at the border and ask for asylum. Jumping the border will likely disqualify you.

There is a network, they can get it done, it's all about money.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

There is a network, they can get it done, it's all about money.

ok, so if that is somehow true you will then have to admit the number of Chinese nationals becoming US citizens or wanting to stay in the US must be spiking up.

 

[Beijingwalker]

ok, so if that is somehow true you will then have to admit the number of Chinese nationals becoming US citizens or wanting to stay in the US must be spiking up.

I never denied it, the same scam also happened to Myanmar when smugglers tricked tens of thousands, some of them are rich people, into Myanmar and locked them up once they were there, they promised moon to you and crazy enough, many people just believed them.

 

[Beijingwalker]

As for US immigration law, even when I was in US I found a big flaw to it. say one person gets into US illegally and somehow gets US citizenship, this person's immediate family suddenly becomes elligible to immigrate to US, and after they become US citizens, their immediate families also become elligible, and so on and so forth, the number just increases expontentially in a decade.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

I never denied it, the same scam also happened to Myanmar when smugglers tricked tens of thousands, some of them are rich people, into Myanmar and locked them up once they were there, they promised moon to you and crazy enough, many people just believed them.

LOL! I don't understand this "tricked" part.
First you say they pay somebody like $50,000 to get the naturalization paperwork going, then apparently after years of going through the naturalization process they suddenly feel "tricked". Can you elaborate on the logic of that?

 

[Bilal9]

I understand why Vietnamese and Filipino people might migrate illegally to the US, but I’m curious about the Koreans who are also there in the list since their country is already developed.

Not all people in a 'developed country' are rich. You have to look at a GINI coefficient to know how lopsided the wealth distribution is. The flotsam, jetsam and dregs of society in a "high-income", "high-cost" economy are often the most forlorn. These are the people that take the risky journey to find a "better life" and "better opportunity" elsewhere.

In downtown LA or downtown Philadelphia, all you have to do is go down to skid row and see how desperate these homeless people are.

We have a saying in the subcontinent, "For those who don't have anyone to turn to - they can turn to Allah".

But it seems, in wealthy economies, the helpless destitute cannot even turn to God almighty.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

As for US immigration law, even when I was in US I found a big flaw to it. say one person gets into US illegally and somehow gets US citizenship, this person's immediate family suddenly becomes elligible to immigrate to US, and after they become US citizens, their immediate families also become elligible, and so on and so forth, the number just increases expontentially in a decade.

No, it isn't that simple. You can only bring over your parents. You can't bring over your siblings easily. There are people who have been waiting over 25 years to get a brother/sister over. They are on the bottom of the list.

 

[Beijingwalker]

LOL! I don't understand this "tricked" part.
First you say they pay somebody like $50,000 to get the naturalization paperwork going, then apparently after years of going through the naturalization process they suddenly feel "tricked". Can you elaborate on the logic of that?

The smuggler tricked them into paying that money, same thing happened in Myanmar too, China is fighting this criminal network.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

The smuggler tricked them into paying that money, same thing happened in Myanmar too, China is fighting this criminal network.

They seem to have willingly paid $50K to get over the border. How have they been tricked?

Are you saying they went through like 5-10 years of waiting to get naturalized and afterwards suddenly nobody is handing them a $1Million job and they feel tricked?

Or are you saying the naturalization process itself is actually not there and it is a scam to think it is.

 

[Beijingwalker]

China and Singapore now have mutual visa free policy, and Singapore per capita income is much higher than US.
It's not all about income, "snake heads" promise other things and opportunities, they promise the moon to the people. This is what we call scam.

United States has a GDP per capita of $60,200 as of 2020, while in Singapore, the GDP per capita is $93,400 as of 2020.