🇵🇰 Pakistan to consider restoring trade with India (9 Viewers)

[Old School]

Foreign minister has signaled Islamabad could be willing to revitalize business ties with New Delhi, in deep-freeze since 2019
Pakistan will “seriously examine” restarting trade ties with India, acting on sentiments expressed by its business community, according to the newly appointed Foreign Minister Muhammad Ishaq Dar. Diplomatic ties between the two nuclear-armed neighbors have remained in deep freeze, with little sign of a potential warm-up. On Sunday, New Delhi accused Islamabad of being a sponsor of terrorism at “almost an industry level.”

Dar, who took office earlier this month, after Shehbaz Sharif became Pakistan’s new prime minister following months of political turmoil, was responding to questions at a media briefing in London. The senior diplomat noted that, despite what he described as New Delhi’s “very painful” move in 2019 to change the status of Kashmir, a Muslim-majority region claimed by Islamabad, businesses in the country want to see trade relations with India restored.

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

Personally we should have no relations with India until Kashmir dispute is resolved according to plebiscite.

but of course our incompetent leaders cannot push for that solution.

 

[Old School]

Personally we should have no relations with India until Kashmir dispute is resolved according to plebiscite.

but of course our incompetent leaders cannot push for that solution.

What are the exact economic benefits and losses of the whole of Pakistan arising from the Kashmir dispute? Please write briefly with emotions aside and focus only on the economy now.

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

What are the exact economic benefits and losses of the whole of Pakistan arising from the Kashmir dispute? Please write briefly with emotions aside and focus only on the economy now.

If we start doing trade with India, then we will lose our legitimacy on our cause with Kashmir. Pakistan should use OIC and UN to pressure India to do plebiscite.

And please do not mention Shimla Agreement, Shimla Agreement is now void.

 

[Azad Kashmir]

killing our corrupt leaders and seizing their assets will save our economy. munir should be first to go.
then i say threaten oil arabia with nuclear flash point or give us oil cheap. go to iran to re-activate that pipeline deal.
start military breeding program best of males and females in physical fitness to marry and procreate. they get land as reward.
bring in industries, copy, counterfeit produce own do it all. move towards barter trade international trade no paper fictitious money printed accepted. create database to store all graduates pupil details and use this database to filter out phds with highest scores and put them to work on important projects. All criminals now to be put to work in new factories as labour, their payment will be minimal but their sentences could be reduced in return for their compliance. Those that take bribes to be shot it is these people who ruin the countries progress.
all dogs and cats on the streets to be sterilize and vaccinated. state now takes over religion by putting forward their own educated imams so no troublesome imams like in the past. A criminal database to be created so employers can do background checks.
public baths and toilets need to be built including public sinks for food and drink vendors to wash with clean water.
solar panels to be installed on houses which feed electricity back into the grid.
start a revisionist history groups because history is not what we are told but propaganda.
bring audi, volkswagon to open factory fcuk shitty honda and suzukis etc.
washing liquid, soaps, shampoo to changed to natural ingredients so rivers to dont get polluted.
recycling bins to be given to locals so bin men can collect rubbish for recycling.

 

[Old School]

If we start doing trade with India, then we will lose our legitimacy on our cause with Kashmir. Pakistan should use OIC and UN to pressure India to do plebiscite.

And please do not mention Shimla Agreement, Shimla Agreement is now void.

Legitimacy is a subjective issue. If you have to add something new in this regard, please write objectively about concrete economic aspects. I'm asking you again, as in the previous post in this thread.

 

[Old School]

killing our corrupt leaders and seizing their assets will save our economy. munir should be first to go.

Killing requires actions instead of saying only. Killers kill only poor innocents, as past records show and elites remain. If Munir goes, another ambitious Munir from the middle class will take his place, and the cycle will continue. Zia was gone and many villains took his place. The people are corrupt to the core- that is the issue. They give birth to corrupt children.

 

[Azad Kashmir]

Killing requires actions instead of saying only. Killers kill only poor innocents, as past records show and elites remain. If Munir goes, another ambitious Munir from the middle class will take his place, and the cycle will continue. Zia was gone and many villains took his place. The people are corrupt to the core- that is the issue. They give birth to corrupt children.

then no choice but to apply wrath of genghis kill whole sale. put fear in them.

 

[Old School]

then no choice but to apply wrath of genghis kill whole sale. put fear in them.

You need to unroot the jahilyat. Most evils are those jahils walking with certificates which worth no more than toilet paper.

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

You need to unroot the jahilyat. Most evils are those jahils walking with certificates which worth no more than toilet paper.

Our bureaucracy are backward and uneducated. What Pakistan needs is what Japan did during the Meiji Restoration, to promote industrialization and economic prosperity.

 

[Old School]

Our bureaucracy are backward and uneducated. What Pakistan needs is what Japan did during the Meiji Restoration, to promote industrialization and economic prosperity.

Ayub Khan sahib tried to do just that and was overthrown by a drunkard scoundrel like Yahya Khan.

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

Ayub Khan sahib tried to do just that and was overthrown by a drunkard scoundrel like Yahya Khan.

Answering your previous question, What would Pakistan gain from trading with India, lol? What would India buy from us? Agricultural goods and Cement?
Sure the Pakistani economy may improve, but India would ask Pakistan to buy Indian products, which many Pakistanis would reject.

 

[Old School]

Answering your previous question, What would Pakistan gain from trading with India, lol? What would India buy from us? Agricultural goods and Cement?
Sure the Pakistani economy may improve, but India would ask Pakistan to buy Indian products, which many Pakistanis would reject.

Let us let the business people in Pakistan decide what is profitable for them. We are largely an import economy anyway. Our export is nothing compared to imports from any country. Ideology should not interfere with business, which is the backbone of the economy.

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

Let us let the business people in Pakistan decide what is profitable for them. We are largely an import economy anyway. Our export is nothing compared to imports from any country. Ideology should not interfere with business, which is the backbone of the economy.

I agree our philosophy should be pragmatic or utilitarian. But India will ask something in return if we sell products to India.

 

[Bilal9]

Guys maybe I should have started a new thread instead of reviving this one, but why can't we boost trade between D-8 economies. The top 5 Islamic economies will do fine trading between themselves. Even without involving India, I'd think.

What Pakistanis do or don't do is their business, but we in Bangladesh have a not so good precedent in trading with India for 50 years. They will only export and not import anything. They (Indian customs) stop imports from Bangladesh on the flimsy excuse of "dumping" (non-tariff barrier or NTB), which when asked, they cannot prove. They also say that we re-label Chinese goods and try to export these to India. Just the general Indian trading mentality is non-conducive to open exports to India, unlike the trading Bangladesh does with friendly D-8 countries like Turkey, Indonesia, Malaysia and even Pakistan.

For long-standing strategic and economic benefit, we in the D-8 should help each other's economies. I do realize that protecting one's own economy comes first, but the attitude of Indian customs (their govt.) has no parallel and cannot be explained by any logic.

We have given up trying to export goods to India. Bangladeshi Business-people generally are of the impression that Indian businesses want something for nothing. Otherwise "no deal".