[🇹🇷] Turkish Naval Programs

[LegionnairE]

Source : https://devrimyaylali.com/category/turkish-navy/

Opening discussion with modernized Barbaros class and İstif class frigates two ships having very similiar systems and representing the main fighting force of the Turkish Navy for the next 20 years.

 

[Saif]

Any export success for these frigates?

 

[LegionnairE]

Any export success for these frigates?

Pakistan is a well known example.

 

[LegionnairE]

Hisar-D RF fired from MIDLAS VLS for the first time on board TCG İstanbul. The launch took place in Black Sea.

 

[Saif]

Hisar-D RF fired from MIDLAS VLS for the first time on board TCG İstanbul. The launch took place in Black Sea.

Does Hisar series come with a medium range missile? If yes, what is its range?

 

[LegionnairE]

Does Hisar series come with a medium range missile? If yes, what is its range?

I've seen 35 kilometers cited for Hisar O+

Siper isn't in production yet and there will be many versions of it with 100 to 200 kilometers but nothing is certain yet about when they will enter production.

 

[Saif]

Bangladesh navy has a plan to produce 6 high performance frigates locally. Why don't Turkey offer it's frigate design to Bangladesh navy? This will open a new chapter of naval cooperation between two brotherly nations.

 

[LegionnairE]

Update: 31 Warships currently being built. Construction of MİLDEN and TF-2000 have begun. First steel was cut just before the end of 2024

Türkiye'de inşası devam eden 31 savaş gemisi | SavunmaSanayiST

Türkiye, eşzamanlı olarak 31 farklı savaş gemisinin inşa faaliyetlerini sürdürüyor. İşte isim isim halihazırda inşa faaliyetleri devam eden Türk savaş gemileri.

www.savunmasanayist.com

 

[Bilal9]

Bangladesh navy has a plan to produce 6 high performance frigates locally. Why don't Turkey offer it's frigate design to Bangladesh navy? This will open a new chapter of naval cooperation between two brotherly nations.

Not to derail the thread but Meko200 Frigate i.e. Barbaros Class (about 3300 tonnes) is a German copyrighted design by Blohm+Voss. So Blohm and Voss has to offer the design to Bangladesh in case Bangladesh is interested. I don't know if Turkish yards have rights to offer it to third countries.

Maybe brother @LegionnairE can tell us why Turkish yards are building two very similar frigate designs like Meko200 and Istif class and what are the intended roles for each (like ASW specialization etc.)

The other Turkish-origin frigate design MilGem I-class (Istif Class) design, of which TCG Istanbul is an example, as shown below (3000 plus tonnes) which are ideal for Bangladesh usage, especially as it has VLS magazines which can probably be modified to use Chinese-Turkish Hyper velocity naval missiles (YJ-21 or CM401). The J-600T Yildirim i.e. B600 or Bora can also be VLS mounted I believe.

TF-2000 is another larger Turkish design (destroyer displacing 8000 plus tonnes) which may be too large a displacement for Bangladesh use. Just baby steps for now.

A smaller scaled down variant of the Istif-class is the Ada class (2400 tonnes each), of which four examples were built for Pakistan (PNS Babur, Khyber, Badr and Tariq) last two were built at Karachi Shipyard. This is still about the same size as the BN Flagship F25 Bangabandhu which is an Ulsan class ship. The new BNS frigates need to displace around 4000 plus tonnes and have to have much longer endurance than current BNS naval frigates as endurance in naval assets is the issue.

 

[LegionnairE]

Not to derail the thread but Meko200 Frigate i.e. Barbaros Class (about 3300 tonnes) is a German copyrighted design by Blohm+Voss. So Blohm and Voss has to offer the design to Bangladesh in case Bangladesh is interested. I don't know if Turkish yards have rights to offer it to third countries.

Maybe brother @LegionnairE can tell us why Turkish yards are building two very similar frigate designs like Meko200 and Istif class and what are the intended roles for each (like ASW specialization etc.)

We're not "building two very similar frigate designs" we're building istif class frigates and we're modernizing the Barbaros class with istif's systems.

it has VLS magazines which can probably be modified to use Chinese-Turkish Hyper velocity naval missiles (YJ-21 or CM401). The J-600T Yildirim i.e. B600 or Bora can also be VLS mounted I believe.

Lol no. J600T wouldn't fit inside those VLS cells. They are mainly for Hisar and Siper SAMs. If you want more firepower ATMACA tube launchers can be replaced with more VLS cells or you could go straight for ASFAT AS-3600 which is a heavier frigate design. Which is a viable alternative for countries that can't afford TF-2000

ASFAT showcases heavily armed AS3600 frigate at IDEF 2023 - Naval News

Turkish defense contractor ASFAT, which is affiliated with the Turkish Ministry of Defense, unveiled a new frigate design called the "AS3600" at the IDEF 2023 defense exhibition held last week in Istanbul.

www.navalnews.com

 

[Bilal9]

We're not "building two very similar frigate designs" we're building istif class frigates and we're modernizing the Barbaros class with istif's systems.

Lol no. J600T wouldn't fit inside those VLS cells. They are mainly for Hisar and Siper SAMs. If you want more firepower ATMACA tube launchers can be replaced with more VLS cells or you could go straight for ASFAT AS-3600 which is a heavier frigate design. Which is a viable alternative for countries that can't afford TF-2000

ASFAT showcases heavily armed AS3600 frigate at IDEF 2023 - Naval News

Turkish defense contractor ASFAT, which is affiliated with the Turkish Ministry of Defense, unveiled a new frigate design called the "AS3600" at the IDEF 2023 defense exhibition held last week in Istanbul.

www.navalnews.com

Many Thanks for clarifying the scenario.

I was not aware of the ASFAT AS-3600 option - something to chew on I guess.

Anything Bangladesh Navy inducts will need to be built locally - under ToT (like Pakistan Navy Ada class situation).

Inducting destroyers is not about cost, it is more about the defensive littoral warfare scenario along Bangladesh coastline which only favors modern frigates and not deep draft vessels like 8000 plus ton destroyers.

I don't believe PN is going to induct Destroyers soon, and the same is definitely true about BN. Of course PN is a far more capable naval force than BN is currently and Destroyers may be part of PN soon enough.

 

[LegionnairE]

TCG Oruç Reis finished modernisation looks awesome.


in conclusion, my dick hard.

 

[LegionnairE]

Second ship of the İ class, TCG İzmir is launched