[🇵🇰] Untitled 1987 War Book - Discussion

[Aestas Vivax]

You can write as it stood in the late 80's for real, with Pakistan as the underdog without a declared nuclear deterrent. Karachi port is the flash point under threat as the central logistical hub. Iran is aligned with India due to Zia-ul-Haq's proximity to anti-Shiite forces backed by Saudis at that time and still is—Afghanistan under the Soviet military. China was building the economy with Western help,p and they hardly had spare resources interest Pakistan. There is no land corridor to Pakistan !!! That was the accurate picture. You can portray it as a stalemate, with both sides suffering huge losses and settling for a ceasefire after two weeks.

Now, I need to plan the 2 weeks of Air operations urghhhhhh.

 

[Lulldapull]

As per the Military Balance.

Indian Army
ARMY: 1,100,000.
HQ: 5 Regional Comd (- Fd Army), 10 Corps.
2 armd div (each 2/3 armed, 1 SP arty (2 SP fd, 1 med regt) bde).
1 mech div (each 3 mech (4/6 mech bn, 3 armd regt), 1 arty bde).
21 inf div (each 2-5 inf, 1 arty bde; some have armd regt).
11 mtn div (each 3-4 bde, 1 or more arty regt). 19 indep bde: 8 armd, 9 inf, 1 mtn, 1 AB/cdo. 5 indep arty bde.
5 AD bde.
4 engr bde.
These formations comprise:
56 tk regt (bn).
25 mech, 332 inf bn.
9 AB/cdo bn.
190 arty regt (bn): incl 1 hy, 5 MRL, 50 med (11 SP), 69 fd (3 SP), 39 mtn.
29 AD arty regt; perhaps 10 SAM gp (3-5 bty each). 7 sqn, 25 flt, Air Observation.
6 ATK/tpt, 4 liaison hel sqn.
EQUIPMENT:
MBT: 3,100 (500 in store): some 500 T-55, 900 T-72/-M1, 1,700 Vijayanta.
LIGHT TANKS: 100 PT-76.
RECCE: BRDM-2.
AIFV: 800 BMP-1/-2 (Sarath).
APC: 400 OT-62/-64, 50 BTR-60.
TOWED ARTY: over 4,000 incl: 75mm/76mm: 900 75/24 mtn, 215 Yug M-48; 88mm: 1,000 25-pdr (retiring); 100mm: 185 M-1944; 105mm: some 800 (incl M-56 pack), some 100 IFG Mk II; 130mm: 550 M-46; 140mm: 150 5.5-in (retiring); 155mm: 410 FH-77B.
SP ARTY: 105mm: 80 Abbot; 130mm: 100 mod M-46
MRL: 122mm: 80 BM-21.
MORTARS: 81mm: L16A1; 82mm: M-43; 120mm: 1,000 M-43; 160mm: 200 M-43.
ATGW: SS-11-B1, Milan, AT-3 Sagger, AT-4 Spigot.
RCL: 57mm: M-18; 84mm: Carl Gustav, 106mm: 1,000+ M-40A1.
AD GUNS 2,750: 23mm: 140 ZU 23-2, 75 ZSU-23-4
SP; 40mm: 1,245 L40/60, 790 L40/70; 94mm: 500 3.7-in.
SAM: 26 SA-6, 620 SA-7, 20 SA-8A/-B, SA-13,
SA-16, 25 Tigercat launchers.
HELICOPTERS: 9 sqn with 50 Chetak, 40 Cheetah, 30 Krishnar Mk2.

RESERVES: Territorial Army: 30 inf bn.
DEPLOYMENT:
North- 1 Corps with 2 inf, 1 mtn div; I mtn, I indep inf, 1 indep arty bde. 1 Corps with 4 inf div; 2 indep armd, I indep inf, 2 indep arty bde.
West- 1 Corps with 1 armd, I mech div; 1 Corps with 2 inf div; 1 Corps with 3 inf div.
Central - 1 Corps with 1 armd, 2 inf div, plus 3 indep div (2 inf, 1 mtn).
East -3 Corps each with 3 mtn div.
South 1 Corps with 4 inf div.

Pakistan
ARMY: 500,000+.
Corps HQ, 1 area comd.
2 armd div.
19 inf div.
6 indep armd bde.
5 indep inf bde.
7 corps arty bde (2 more forming).
4 AD arty bde. 5 engr bde.
3 armd recce regt. 1 SF gp (3 bn).
Av: 1 ac, 4 hel sqn; indep observation flt.

EQUIPMENT:
MBT: 1,980+: 150 M-47, 280 M-48A5, 50 T-54/-55, 1.300 Ch Type-59, 200 Ch Type-69.
APC: 800 M-113.
TOWED ARTY: 1,405: 85mm: 200 Ch Type-56; 88mm: 200 25-pdr; 105mm: 300 M-101, 50 M-56 pack; 122mm: 200 Ch Type-60; 130mm: 200 Ch
175 Type-59-1; 140mm: 45 5.5in; 155mm: 30 M-59, 60 M-114, 100 M-198; 203mm: 20 M-115. SP ARTY: 215: 105mm: 50 M-7; 155mm: 125 M-109A2; 203mm: 40 M-110A2.
MRL: 122mm: 36 BM-11.
MORTARS: 81mm; 120mm: AM-50, M-61. SSM: Hatf-1, Hatf-2.
ATGW: 200 Cobra, 224 TOW (incl 24 on M-901 SP).
Ch Red Arrow.
RL: 89mm: M-20 3.5-in.
RCL: 75mm: Type-52; 106mm: M-40A1.
AD GUNS: 14.5mm; 35mm: 200 GDF-002; 37mm: Ch Type-55/-65; 40mm: M1, 100 L/60; 57mm: Ch Type-59.
SAM: 100 Stinger, Redeye, 144 RBS-70, 500 Anza

AVIATION:
AIRCRAFT:
SURVEY: 1 Commander 840.
LIAISON: 1 Cessna 421, 2 Commander 690,
80 Mashshaq.
OBSERVATION: 40 O-1E, 50 Mashshaq.
HELICOPTERS:
ATTACK: 20 AH-IF (TOW).
TRANSPORT: 7 Bell 205, 10-206B, 16 Mi-8, 6 IAR/SA-315B, 23 IAR/SA-316, 35 SA-330, 5 UH-1H.

You are missing the T-62 tanks in IA. A good 1000 were in service.

 

[Aestas Vivax]

You are missing the T-62 tanks in IA. A good 1000 were in service.

India never operated the T-62?

 

[Lulldapull]

India never operated the T-62?

They did and it was their mainstay in the 80’s and 90’s. A dangerous tank!

 

[Aestas Vivax]

They did and it was their mainstay in the 80’s and 90’s. A dangerous tank!

Show proof of T-62s.

Only Russian tanks in IA service were T-55s and T-72s, according to my knowledge.

 

[Lulldapull]

S

Show proof of T-62s.

Only Russian tanks in IA service were T-55s and T-72s, according to my knowledge.

Sorry I was mistaking the T-72s for T-62’s….they did operate a lot of T-55’s

 

[Aestas Vivax]

S

Sorry I was mistaking the T-72s for T-62’s….they did operate a lot of T-55’s

T-55s are the least dangerous tank to face honestly.

I need osint to make the book more accurate.

 

[Lulldapull]

T-55s are the least dangerous tank to face honestly.

I need osint to make the book more accurate.

Pak army T-55’s did good in 71. Exchange ratio wise against various IA tanks. Better than our M-47 Chafee and M-48’s. Their low silhouette helped them a lot

 

[Aestas Vivax]

Pak army T-55’s did good in 71. Exchange ratio wise against various IA tanks. Better than our M-47 Chafee and M-48’s. Their low silhouette helped them a lot

The T-55 when an ATGM comes for it.

 

[Lulldapull]

The T-55 when an ATGM comes for it.

Not in 87 bro…..all there was in IA was the swatter and the dreaded 105mm RCL

 

[Lulldapull]

Biggest threat to a T-55 in 1987 would be an RCL shot from a km away or an RPG-7 shot from 500m or an anti tank land mine

 

[Aestas Vivax]

Not in 87 bro…..all there was in IA was the swatter and the dreaded 105mm RCL

SS-11-B1, Milan, AT-3 Sagger, AT-4 Spigot.

 

[Lulldapull]

Did indians have the Milan? I know they had the swatter/sagger and the RPG and the 105mm HEAT RCL

 

[Aestas Vivax]

Did indians have the Milan? I know they had the swatter/sagger and the RPG and the 105mm HEAT RCL

RPGs were never used.

 

[Aestas Vivax]

Mapping

 

[Mainerik]

@Aestas Vivax

 

[Aestas Vivax]

@Aestas Vivax

Yes?

 

[Mainerik]

Yes?

Interesting book @Lulldapull

 

[Aestas Vivax]

Interesting book @Lulldapull

Haven't had the time to write it honestly, just have a basic skeleton.