[🇵🇰] Untitled 1987 War Book - Discussion

[Old School]

This is what I got.

145 M48s from Jordan
175 M113s from the Arabs
12 Cobras from Jordon
60 F-5A/Es from Saudi and Turkey
15 Mirage Vs from UAE.
40 Mirage Vs from Saudi.
45 Mirage IIIs from the Arabs

For the sake of fantasy, go ahead. However, I would put a big zero in the foreign volunteer rubric, to be realistic. Actual Pakistani defense doctrine since 1972 has zero foreign input in combat scenario.

 

[Aestas Vivax]

For the sake of fantasy, go ahead. However, I would put a big zero in the foreign volunteer rubric, to be realistic. Actual Pakistani defense doctrine since 1972 has zero foreign input in combat scenario.

I don't think the PAF would be able to have an additional 160 pilots to fly those planes, but if you give a solution, I can make it into a plot point as well.

 

[Old School]

I don't think the PAF would be able to have an additional 160 pilots to fly those planes, but if you give a solution, I can make it into a plot point as well.

You need 10 maintenance crews per machine/ aircraft. That is mission impossible. Get Chinese/ DPRK SAM batteries as foreign volunteers instead. That is very real.

 

[Dogun18]

I don’t know much about Pakistan and India’s air game but it’s quite insane how they had that much gear back then. That’s comparable to what Algeria has now.

 

[Aestas Vivax]

You need 10 maintenance crews per machine/ aircraft. That is mission impossible. Get Chinese/ DPRK SAM batteries as foreign volunteers instead. That is very real.

Any suggestions? Am unsure of what SAMs the Chinese have other than Sa-2s back in that time period

 

[Aestas Vivax]

Revised
[Note; Army Aviation will be put with the army equipment] [Forgive minor mistakes]
Pakistan Air Force
Foreign Aid
3 Sqns of F-5A/Es [20 each] [Mostly Es] [Jordon, Turkey, Saudi]
5 sqns of Mirage Vs [12 each] [Libya, UAE, Egypt via Saudi]
1 Sqn of AH-1s [Towcobra, 12] [Jordon]

Newly Raised
2 sqn of F-16A/B OCU [40 As and 4 Bs]
2 Sqn of Mirage IIIO [24 Each]

Standing
1 Sqn Mirage III [15 EPs, 3DPs]
3 Sqn Mirage Vs [58]
4 Sqn Q-5 [50]
4 Sqn J-6 [110]
3 Sqn F-16 [28 As, 12 Bs]
2 Sqn J-7 [40]
1 Sqn Mirage IIIRP [12]

2 E-3A Leased

1 sqn with 12 C-130 (5-8, 7-E), 1 L-100
1 sqn with 3 Boeing 707, 3 Falcon 20, 2 F-27-200 (with Navy), 2 Beech (1 Travel Air, 1 Baron).

1 SAR hel sqn with 4 SA-319.
1 sqn with 12 SA-316, 4 SA-321


Indian Air Force
Standing
1 It bbr sqn with 9 Canberra.
5 sqn with 80 Jaguar IS.
14 sqn with 112 MiG-21 MF/PFMA.
3 sqn with 54 MiG-23 BN/UM.
4 sqn with 56 MiG-27.
4 sqn with 74 MiG-21 FL/U.
6 sqn with 108 MiG-21 bis/U.
2 sqn with 26 MiG-23 MF/UM.
3 sqn with 54 MiG-29/UB.
2 sqn with 36 Mirage 2000H/TH.
8 Jaguar with Sea Eagle.

1 Sqn with 18 Mi-25s
1 Sqn with 18 Mi-35s

1 Rec sqn with 8 Canberra PR.57.
1 Sqn with 6 MiG-25R, 2 MiG-25U.
1 sqn with 4 HS-748.
1 sqn with 2 Gulfstream IV SRA and 2 Learjet 29.
2 sqn with 30 An-12B
6 sqn with 108 An-32 Sutlej
1 sqn with 16 BAe-748;
2 sqn with 30 Do-228;
2 sqn with 24 Il-76 Gajraj
11 sqn with 80 Mi-8, 50 Mi-17, 10 Mi-26

Newly Raised
2 sqn with MiG-23MLD [36]
2 Sqn with MiG-21bis [36]
1 Sqn with MiG-31 [12]
1 Sqn with Mirage 2000H/TH [18]
2 sqn with 48 Mi-8
2 Tu-126 and 1 A-50 Leased

 

[Old School]

Any suggestions? Am unsure of what SAMs the Chinese have other than Sa-2s back in that time period

Right. PLA had a large number of HQ-2/ SA-2 back then. Vietcongs iwere successful in using this SAM though Saddam’s army took bribe and did not use them as such. However, most simulations done in the past suggests that we would have failed defending the sites. You have overlooked Soviet military stationed in Afghanistan at that time.

 

[Aestas Vivax]

Right. PLA had a large number of HQ-2/ SA-2 back then. Vietcongs iwere successful in using this SAM though Saddam’s army took bribe and did not use them as such. However, most simulations done in the past suggests that we would have failed defending the sites.

Sa-2 do suck, I do not think there would be a major impact unless you manage to put right on Srinagar lmao.

How many do you think the Chinese would give Pakistan, realistically.

 

[Old School]

Sa-2 do suck, I do not think there would be a major impact unless you manage to put right on Srinagar lmao.

How many do you think the Chinese would give Pakistan, realistic

They were in fact made available right after the Soviet invasion in Afghanistan. So at least 12 batteries.

 

[Old School]

The Soviets were more interested to see the Indo-Pak war than the Indians. They wanted us to move our focus from the Afghan operation. Soviets even lied to Indians about the Khalistan army to provoke an Indian attack on us. Operation Blue Star was a false flag operationbin reality and many innocents were killed.