[🇵🇰] Will Pakistan ever function as a secular state?

[Lulldapull]

Jinnah was exactly as myself- a freethinker. So was Nehru. Real educated people do not become fanatic mollahs.

These three guys Gandhi, Jinnah Nehru all reported to Lord Mountbatten.

 

[Old School]

These three guys Gandhi, Jinnah Nehru all reported to Lord Mountbatten.

Lord Mountbatten was 111 times better than Zia-ul-Haq or Sharif brothers. I wish our country was still under British rule than these barbarians.

 

[Mustafa.Iq]

Pakistan has officially become a perverted theocratic republic. It is the reality. Illiterate and half-educated people dictate the fate of this country, which was never meant to be like this. People are practicing jahiliyyat in the name of religion. Whenever I criticize, I criticize this crypto-Jahilyyat - a perverted form of religious doctrine. It has nothing to do with actual religion.

If Pakistan does not become an Islamic Republic, what was the point of partition?
Then go live in Secular India then. lol.

Besides in an Islamic country, religious minorities are protected. Islam says to be tolerant.

 

[Old School]

If Pakistan does not become an Islamic Republic, what was the point of partition?
Then go live in Secular India then. lol.

Besides in an Islamic country, religious minorities are protected. Islam says to be tolerant.

What was the official name of Pakistan after partition in 1947 on 14th August ?

 

[MuHayMin]

If Pakistan does not become an Islamic Republic, what was the point of partition?
Then go live in Secular India then. lol.

Besides in an Islamic country, religious minorities are protected. Islam says to be tolerant.

india isnt a secular country and you know it, people like you are the issue. you will use terms like islam without knowing what it means. do you know in essence of islam, western countries are more islamic than we are. oh also to have actual islam there is only one law in the quran which is a must, which is prohibition of usury and interest. in the current climax of things we are incapable of bringing about such a system. islam has no doubt influenced the west which has shaped their modern civilizations. islam is meant to shape a civilization not what you people have made it into, a cult and a religion! you keep saying islam but whats the point when the surface and core of your civilization is sh1t, that change can only come from within.

"Indeed, Allāh will not change the condition of a people until they change what is in themselves." Quran 13:11

 

[Old School]

india isnt a secular country and you know it, people like you are the issue. you will use terms like islam without knowing what it means. do you know in essence of islam, western countries are more islamic than we are. oh also to have actual islam there is only one law in the quran which is a must, which is prohibition of usury and interest. in the current climax of things we are incapable of bringing about such a system. islam has no doubt influenced the west which has shaped their modern civilizations. islam is meant to shape a civilization not what you people have made it into, a cult and a religion! you keep saying islam but whats the point when the surface of your civilization is sh1t, that change can only come from within. Indeed, Allāh will not change the condition of a people until they change what is in themselves.

Basically, Pakistan has become a "Banana Republic" where Islam means bigotry and Kangaroo justice. The more religious talk one does , more dark side they have to hide. Hypocrite and lunatic bunch of barbarians ruling the country but now they even chase you to the internet !!

 

[Lulldapull]

Basically, Pakistan has become a "Banana Republic" where Islam means bigotry and Kangaroo justice. The more religious talk one does , more dark side they have to hide. Hypocrite and lunatic bunch of barbarians ruling the country but now they even chase you to the internet !!

I have been warning about this since the day I joined this forum. We are in a lot of trouble! Iranis and China should intervene, before we turn into another Yugoslavia. It will be a massive disaster.

There is no economy, no unity, no religion or ideology, no law nor justice.

I'm watching our country slowly disintegrate, this is seriously messed up.

I'd hate to see us turn into another Libya, Iraq or Sudan.

 

[MuHayMin]

I have been warning about this since the day I joined this forum. We are in a lot of trouble! Iranis and China should intervene, before we turn into another Yugoslavia. It will be a massive disaster.

There is no economy, no unity, no religion or ideology, no law nor justice.

I'm watching our country slowly disintegrate, this is seriously messed up.

I'd hate to see us turn into another Libya, Iraq or Sudan.

as bad as pakistan is, we arent as bad that we need iran or china to come save us. slowly i have began to see change here which i will give credit. people are becoming more interested in the history of the country, nation building etc. having no ideology is kind of a good thing as neither do western countries have an ideology, they just serve their interests.

 

[Lulldapull]

as bad as pakistan is, we arent as bad that we need iran or china to come save us. slowly i have began to see change here which i will give credit. people are becoming more interested in the history of the country, nation building etc. having no ideology is kind of a good thing as neither do western countries have an ideology, they just serve their interests.

oh bhai, I got nothing against you. The issue with us is that here we are falling apart/ crumbling away no?.....we got a powerful muslim neigbor to our west no?......2500 saal say they one nation no?......never really colonized. What can we learn from them? ......likewise there is China......another very old civilizational state.

We don't look for advice from these two big nation states, we're just goin revert back to hinduism. That maybe ok for you, but it ain't ok for me......

Just saying.........

 

[MuHayMin]

oh bhai, I got nothing against you. The issue with us is that here we are falling apart/ crumbling away no?.....we got a powerful muslim neigbor to our west no?......2500 saal say they one nation no?......never really colonized. What can we learn from them? ......likewise there is China......another very old civilizational state.

We don't look for advice from these two big nation states, we're just goin revert back to hinduism. That maybe ok for you, but it ain't ok for me......

Just saying.........

Revert back to what? are you well?
Will the bhuddist and Zoroastrian parts of Pakkstan go back to those faiths too lol? When you say Iran is a powerful civilization I do agree with you, but the only reason we aren't because our journey compared that to the Persians have been much more ardous, we have fought wars against an enemy 5 times big, the war on terror, etc. So it's obvious we are suffering. Unlike Pakistan, iran hasn't been invaded multiple times and it isn't a post colonial country. Otherwise those Iranians aren't that great.

Yes we can learn from the Chinese but if you know the Chinese well they are more of a reserved nation. No one said you shouldn't learn from anyone.

Pakistan too is also a old civilization with a long indus valley history.

 

[Mustafa.Iq]

What was the official name of Pakistan after partition in 1947 on 14th August ?

I believe Dominion of Pakistan. But thats irrelevant.

Pakistan was created so Muslims could live according to Islamic laws. Otherwise there was no point of partition.
If you want to live in a secular country you are welcome to live in India then.

Islam says religious minorities must be protected. Islam says to be tolerant.

Even our great Quaid-e-Azam talks about Islamic democracy and Islamic Socialism in his speeches.

 

[MuHayMin]

I believe Dominion of Pakistan. But thats irrelevant.

Pakistan was created so Muslims could live according to Islamic laws. Otherwise there was no point of partition.
If you want to live in a secular country you are welcome to live in India then.

Islam says religious minorities must be protected. Islam says to be tolerant.

Even our great Quaid-e-Azam talks about Islamic democracy and Islamic Socialism in his speeches.

I believe Dominion of Pakistan. But thats irrelevant.

Pakistan was created so Muslims could live according to Islamic laws. Otherwise there was no point of partition.
If you want to live in a secular country you are welcome to live in India then.

Hey why don't you go to Saudi Arabia?

 

[Mustafa.Iq]

Hey why don't you go to Saudi Arabia?

Why should I? Pakistan is enough Muslim country for me. Why should I go anywhere else?

For a hypocrite like yourself, why don't you go to Saudi Arabia?

 

[MuHayMin]

Why should I? Pakistan is enough Muslim country for me. Why should I go anywhere else?

You should go to Saudi Arabia, it's more muslim. Because the guy who used to drink Whiskey definitely didn't intend to create an extremist nation full of people like you. Saudi Arabia is best suited for you, but you'll be seen as racially inferior there. That's the one setback there.

 

[Lulldapull]

Revert back to what? are you well?
Will the bhuddist and Zoroastrian parts of Pakkstan go back to those faiths too lol? When you say Iran is a powerful civilization I do agree with you, but the only reason we aren't because our journey compared that to the Persians have been much more ardous, we have fought wars against an enemy 5 times big, the war on terror, etc. So it's obvious we are suffering. Unlike Pakistan, iran hasn't been invaded multiple times and it isn't a post colonial country. Otherwise those Iranians aren't that great.

Yes we can learn from the Chinese but if you know the Chinese well they are more of a reserved nation. No one said you shouldn't learn from anyone.

Pakistan too is also a old civilization with a long indus valley history.

oh bhai, some of us here actually know Pakistan's history rather well. We went to good schools in Karachi and went on out west 30 years ago and have made millions of dollars......No issue there at all. Our problem is that we couldn't bring prosperity to our country overall. This is our failure! We followed the bad UK class based/ elitist system and we've hurt our nation in doing so.

Irani's did away with a class based aristocratic order 45 years ago now. Their engineers that I've worked with overseas are world class! Same same with the Chinese engineers. Both nations highly capable.

We are not total idiots......we just need good leadership. Problem with us is we don't believe in ourselves bhai. The Iranis, Chinese and the Russians do!......already the BRICS controls 33% of the world GDP. The G-7 the other 27%.......Things are changing.....