East Asia Complete Failure of Chinese weaponry in Indo-Pak conflict of 2025

[Vsdoc]

Gents check this out. I have sounded the alarm over this as best as I can.

Even if we admit half these losses as legit, it is a severe loss to Pakistan and truly a body blow.

More concerning is India's battle posture today where like I've been crystal on this is extremely hostile. India is poised to strike again at anytime like he says once the US is convinced to get out of the way.

I believe this toad and take his rhetoric very seriously. I believe India will strike us some time in the next few months and my fear is that this time around the IN will be used to deliver a crushing blow from the south.

We have no counter to the threat posed by the IN to not just our navy but to the city of Karachi:



@Vsdoc

Ye banda thoda Guru jaise lagta hai.

@Sharma Ji @Lulldapull

But nihayat hi boring delivery and viewing. Guru delivers the same conspiratory sansani content with panache confidence and trust me bro dekho kya hota hai flair.

 

[Lulldapull]

Ye banda thoda Guru jaise lagta hai.

@Sharma Ji @Lulldapull

But nihayat hi boring delivery and viewing. Guru delivers the same conspiratory sansani content with panache confidence and trust me bro dekho kya hota hai flair.

Toad sahb is on da money though.

Chhoorru nahi hae, not that I can see.

So far I believe everything he’s said. Very plausible all his claims.

I’ve already mentioned on the other forum that we’ve been basically defeated, whilst all yous chutiye were making childish J-10C vs Rafale memes, India had already busted you right in da booty and taken the next flight out, now you wandering around hapless……just look at the body language and demeanor of shehbaz and whiskey or other leaders on the screen doc…..they look very deflated and nervous no?

So far it’s me and bilal khan who totally acknowledge our defeat.

 

[Lulldapull]

So what will be the fall out from an emerging picture of a clear Pakistani defeat?

I would like to list my observations/ recommendations to prevent a future repeat of this sindhoor event:

1. Confidence in Chinese and Turkish weapon systems will plummet and will affect sales. Without a doubt Pakistan would have to approach new suppliers in the EU and quite possibly Russia/ Iran.

2. Pakistan will have to start large scale production of ballistic missiles and drones. If there is a take away from this debacle, then this must be it. Bilal Khan has been very clear that we have fukk all manufacturing inhouse.

3. Critical defense infrastructure has to be moved out west deep inside KP/ Balochistan. The toad has already mentioned all our surviving AWACS have been relocated to Samungli (Quetta) already. That gives us about a 450 km head start from the eastern borders to try stopping the next volley of missiles. Most large fixed TPS series radars must also be moved out west. I believe Pasrur/ Badin/ Sakesar locations etc will be abandoned as too vulnerable to Indian attack.

4. PN has to consider building massive protected pens to house its critical assets such as subs and the newer expensive corvettes and frigates. Iranis are lucky they have mountainous terrain around the PG so they've constructed deep shelter caves for most of their navy. We need to relocate the navy out to Ormarra or to even Jivani out west where we can replicate these mountain tunnels to hide our major/ irreplaceable assets. Kemarri is just too vulnerable.

5. Pac-3's/ Cayote/ C-Ram systems must be acquired on lease at any cost. We must talk to Russia to purchase their Pantsir S3 variant coming out.

6. Easy for me to suggest all this, but in order to move/ abandon relocate a base like Sargodha for example would cost a billion $'s. I believe that's a stupid idea since Sargodha has no utility anymore. How about doing an underground missile/ drone city around the Hills near Samungli. Far better idea.

I can keep going here, but only the astute will understand the need to think out of the box here. Our FOB's have all been compromised and our entire defense posture requires a rethink.

 

[Vsdoc]

So what will be the fall out from an emerging picture of a clear Pakistani defeat?

I would like to list my observations/ recommendations to prevent a future repeat of this sindhoor event:

1. Confidence in Chinese and Turkish weapon systems will plummet and will affect sales. Without a doubt Pakistan would have to approach new suppliers in the EU and quite possibly Russia/ Iran.

2. Pakistan will have to start large scale production of ballistic missiles and drones. If there is a take away from this debacle, then this must be it. Bilal Khan has been very clear that we have fukk all manufacturing inhouse.

3. Critical defense infrastructure has to be moved out west deep inside KP/ Balochistan. The toad has already mentioned all our surviving AWACS have been relocated to Samungli (Quetta) already. That gives us about a 450 km head start from the eastern borders to try stopping the next volley of missiles. Most large fixed TPS series radars must also be moved out west. I believe Pasrur/ Badin/ Sakesar locations etc will be abandoned as too vulnerable to Indian attack.

4. PN has to consider building massive protected pens to house its critical assets such as subs and the newer expensive corvettes and frigates. Iranis are lucky they have mountainous terrain around the PG so they've constructed deep shelter caves for most of their navy. We need to relocate the navy out to Ormarra or to even Jivani out west where we can replicate these mountain tunnels to hide our major/ irreplaceable assets. Kemarri is just too vulnerable.

5. Pac-3's/ Cayote/ C-Ram systems must be acquired on lease at any cost. We must talk to Russia to purchase their Pantsir S3 variant coming out.

6. Easy for me to suggest all this, but in order to move/ abandon relocate a base like Sargodha for example would cost a billion $'s. I believe that's a stupid idea since Sargodha has no utility anymore. How about doing an underground missile/ drone city around the Hills near Samungli. Far better idea.

I can keep going here, but only the astute will understand the need to think out of the box here. Our FOB's have all been compromised and our entire defense posture requires a rethink.

Two key things Pakistan needs, even if the third - knowhow and technology (actually two different things from an industry perspective) is somehow magically obtained.

1) Money

2) Time

Money lets say the Americans give you. Either directly or through their various arms.

Time is the only thing we (Indians) control.

Not to give you time.

To develop and build even more rapidly in the same time frame.

And to keep gathering intelligence to nullify every new move of yours.

Your idea 9f extending 150 kms to 450 is like pissing in the wind.

Pakistan needs to be placed at the very least where Spain is, to regain a semblance of deterrence for the next (likely fatal) round.

 

[Lulldapull]

Two key things Pakistan needs, even if the third - knowhow and technology (actually two different things from an industry perspective) is somehow magically obtained.

1) Money

2) Time

Money lets say the Americans give you. Either directly or through their various arms.

Time is the only thing we (Indians) control.

Not to give you time.

To develop and build even more rapidly in the same time frame.

And to keep gathering intelligence to nullify every new move of yours.

Your idea 9f extending 150 kms to 450 is like pissing in the wind.

Pakistan needs to be placed at the very least where Spain is, to regain a semblance of deterrence for the next (likely fatal) round.

I know its desperation mostly........its very hard now.....

Now we got harami Afghani showing us their gaand (in public)

Irani bicharay sharif log sharminda hamari haalat per k aap say mulk nahi chalaya ja raha. Aur aap buss paisay maangtay ho, jub k hum aap ko sassta tail/ gas day rahay hain.....ghareeb parrosi honay per.

Its a bad scene doc.....humreeka kub tak bachaey ga hamain?

Ghaad dhaangg no?

Iss haqeeqat ko deny karna is like saying I don't remember my name nor my address and I dhunn't know where me standing right now.........

Boht bura haal hae bhai.......just lost for words here......

 

[Vsdoc]

I know its desperation mostly........its very hard now.....

Now we got harami Afghani showing us their gaand (in public)

Irani bicharay sharif log sharminda hamari haalat per k aap say mulk nahi chalaya ja raha. Aur aap buss paisay maangtay ho, jub k hum aap ko sassta tail/ gas day rahay hain.....ghareeb parrosi honay per.

Its a bad scene doc.....humreeka kub tak bachaey ga hamain?

Ghaad dhaangg no?

Iss haqeeqat ko deny karna is like saying I don't remember my name nor my address and I dhunn't know where me standing right now.........

Boht bura haal hae bhai.......just lost for words here......

America will prop you up even more now if the voices out of DC are to be believed.

India has rubbed the US the wrong way, and they have lost patience playing games they are not used to.

Now we get to see their true face, which guys like me with IQ never ever forgot, from the 70s 80s and 90s growing up.

Which is why I said, money dont worry.

Hardware too is now going to start flowing into Pakistan. Like it used to. Probably more. Gloves are now off. And India is now a global threat. About to join China. India is no longer a regional player the US was happy to let the Pakistanis check and counterbalance.

The American deep state will not make the China mistake with India.

And they cannot afford to. Because the US today is not the US of the 90s when they actually helped China rise.

More and more it looks like an Asian axis will need to form.

What the Russians will likely broker.

RIC.

 

[Lulldapull]

America will prop you up even more now if the voices out of DC are to be believed.

India has rubbed the US the wrong way, and they have lost patience playing games they are not used to.

Now we get to see their true face, which guys like me with IQ never ever forgot, from the 70s 80s and 90s growing up.

Which is why I said, money dont worry.

Hardware too is now going to start flowing into Pakistan. Like it used to. Probably more. Gloves are now off. And India is now a global threat. About to join China. india is no longer a regional player the US was happy to let the Pakistanis check and counterbalance.

The American deep state will not make the China mistake with India.

And they cannot afford to. Because the US today is not the US of the 90s when they actually helped China rise.

More and more it looks like an Asian axis will need to form.

What the Russians will likely broker.

RIC.

Something will give in soon doc......totally evident ye Al-Turkiya, AL-Jordan AL-Pakistan, AL-Egypt ......bhai all these are totally zionist neo-colonials.

Sub ko pata chal gya hae ab.

Aik taraf Russia kharra hae with its lieutenant Iran.......Aur Doosri taraf now increasingly India, cuz we know now China in bed with da US.......Fully in bed, Trump ka chhotta sa motta lund in Jhing Phings fun-hole.

I mean there's no hiding it no more. China US key rundi hae. So obvious.

Now da rest of da whulld got no spine........nor tuttay to do anything.

Clear as day!

 

[Vsdoc]

Aik taraf Russia kharra hae with its lieutenant Iran.......Aur Doosri taraf now increasingly India,

You see now the chtyapanti Modi's US love and the sangh ecosystem did to India over the past decade?

Disgusting sniveling andhbhakts will still not admit it.

Hindu-ness over nation.

 

[Lulldapull]

You see now the chtyapanti Modi's US love and the sangh ecosystem did to India over the past decade?

Disgusting sniveling andhbhakts will still not admit it.

Hindu-ness over nation.

Many openly now threatening to demolish Pakistan cuz now they know behind all this provocation sits da US deep state.

Now they openly say that we targeted US nukes at Kiraandda hills. Our agreement is with US for ceasefire, not with Pakistan.

Yesterday the toad was saying it openly.

 

[Vsdoc]

Many openly now threatening to demolish Pakistan cuz now they know behind all this provocation sits da US deep state.

Now they openly say that we targeted US nukes at Kiraandda hills. Our agreement is with US for ceasefire, not with Pakistan.

Yesterday the toad was saying it openly.

Yeah I've read that theory.

Ki we allowed the US time to remove their nukes.

This is sangh ecosystem chatter.

Read my post above.

Toadie is a sanghi.

 

[Lulldapull]

Yeah I've read that theory.

Ki we allowed the US time to remove their nukes.

This is sangh ecosystem chatter.

Read my post above.

Toadie is a sanghi.

India ko vesay pata chal gya hae doc k ye jo dehshatgardi hae, iss k peechhay US hae.....

I mean indian are not chutiye.......they can totally connect da dots and put it all together.

Jo bhossrrekay talibunny ko kursi per bettha k rukhsat huway, aur Abu-Donkey bin Jolani ko galay luggaya (on camera)......when every mofo knows this guy was ISIS king pin no?........And we all know about talibunnies no?

Bhai......in all honesty......people are tired of these terror provocations, wars, insurgencies and what not.

The buck stops at the feet of the US.

 

[Vsdoc]

India ko vesay pata chal gya hae doc k ye jo dehshatgardi hae, iss k peechhay US hae.....

I mean indian are not chutiye.......they can totally connect da dots and put it all together.

Jo bhossrrekay talibunny ko kursi per bettha k rukhsat huway, aur Abu-Donkey bin Jolani ko galay luggaya (on camera)......when every mofo knows this guy was ISIS king pin no?........And we all know about talibunnies no?

Bhai......in all honesty......people are tired of these terror provocations, wars, insurgencies and what not.

The buck stops at the feet of the US.

We knew it well in Congress times as well.

Fact of the matter is that when BJP came in all plum Russkie kickbacks were taken for generations.

A new crony capitalist ecosystem needed to be fed and nurtured. It was a epochal hostile takeover.

A class war. Between established money and new vanya money. Bawas call banyas vanyas incidentally ...

And the near virgin US defence market lay inviting to makes billions out of ...

At the cost of the nation.

 

[Vsdoc]

You know the sordid irony of the Rafales.

Re negotiation. Fir years. While our airforce was barely able to fight.

And finally we buy the same systems for many many times the cost the Congress had originally negotiated.

Yahan bhakton ko bura lagega.

Guru reading silently and seething.

 

[Lulldapull]

We knew it well in Congress times as well.

Fact of the matter is that when BJP came in all plum Russkie kickbacks were taken for generations.

A new crony capitalist ecosystem needed to be fed and nurtured. It was a epochal hostile takeover.

A class war. Between established money and new vanya money. Bawas call banyas vanyas incidentally ...

And the near virgin US defence market lay inviting to makes billions out of ...

At the cost of the nation.

Bilkul......saara khoon choos lay ga US india ka.......I know it......you know it.

Just like the East India Trading Co.

same same......

Nothing has changed bhai.

 

[Sharma Ji]

I disagree, diversified portfolio hai India ka, across sector cooperation and strategic/defence procurements.

Nuke deal bhool gaye, Doc sb ? MMSonia sarkar and Bushy 2.

Rafale was the best in class from what we had on the offer table.

Going forward there will be more and more indigenization and more desi maal, like we see in the NAVY already to a large extent.

Army too, the relatively simple to make stuff like field cannons/arty, APCs, infantry fighting vehicles, tanks, drones (some) are desi maal with L&T, Mahindra, Tata and others stepping up.

I see no point crying about the past.