East Asia Complete Failure of Chinese weaponry in Indo-Pak conflict of 2025

[Lulldapull]

Yeah I've read that theory.

Ki we allowed the US time to remove their nukes.

This is sangh ecosystem chatter.

Read my post above.

Toadie is a sanghi.

India ko vesay pata chal gya hae doc k ye jo dehshatgardi hae, iss k peechhay US hae.....

I mean indian are not chutiye.......they can totally connect da dots and put it all together.

Jo bhossrrekay talibunny ko kursi per bettha k rukhsat huway, aur Abu-Donkey bin Jolani ko galay luggaya (on camera)......when every mofo knows this guy was ISIS king pin no?........And we all know about talibunnies no?

Bhai......in all honesty......people are tired of these terror provocations, wars, insurgencies and what not.

The buck stops at the feet of the US.

 

[Vsdoc]

India ko vesay pata chal gya hae doc k ye jo dehshatgardi hae, iss k peechhay US hae.....

I mean indian are not chutiye.......they can totally connect da dots and put it all together.

Jo bhossrrekay talibunny ko kursi per bettha k rukhsat huway, aur Abu-Donkey bin Jolani ko galay luggaya (on camera)......when every mofo knows this guy was ISIS king pin no?........And we all know about talibunnies no?

Bhai......in all honesty......people are tired of these terror provocations, wars, insurgencies and what not.

The buck stops at the feet of the US.

We knew it well in Congress times as well.

Fact of the matter is that when BJP came in all plum Russkie kickbacks were taken for generations.

A new crony capitalist ecosystem needed to be fed and nurtured. It was a epochal hostile takeover.

A class war. Between established money and new vanya money. Bawas call banyas vanyas incidentally ...

And the near virgin US defence market lay inviting to makes billions out of ...

At the cost of the nation.

 

[Vsdoc]

You know the sordid irony of the Rafales.

Re negotiation. Fir years. While our airforce was barely able to fight.

And finally we buy the same systems for many many times the cost the Congress had originally negotiated.

Yahan bhakton ko bura lagega.

Guru reading silently and seething.

 

[Lulldapull]

We knew it well in Congress times as well.

Fact of the matter is that when BJP came in all plum Russkie kickbacks were taken for generations.

A new crony capitalist ecosystem needed to be fed and nurtured. It was a epochal hostile takeover.

A class war. Between established money and new vanya money. Bawas call banyas vanyas incidentally ...

And the near virgin US defence market lay inviting to makes billions out of ...

At the cost of the nation.

Bilkul......saara khoon choos lay ga US india ka.......I know it......you know it.

Just like the East India Trading Co.

same same......

Nothing has changed bhai.

 

[Sharma Ji]

I disagree, diversified portfolio hai India ka, across sector cooperation and strategic/defence procurements.

Nuke deal bhool gaye, Doc sb ? MMSonia sarkar and Bushy 2.

Rafale was the best in class from what we had on the offer table.

Going forward there will be more and more indigenization and more desi maal, like we see in the NAVY already to a large extent.

Army too, the relatively simple to make stuff like field cannons/arty, APCs, infantry fighting vehicles, tanks, drones (some) are desi maal with L&T, Mahindra, Tata and others stepping up.

I see no point crying about the past.

 

[Vsdoc]

I disagree, diversified portfolio hai India ka, across sector cooperation and strategic/defence procurements.

Nuke deal bhool gaye, Doc sb ? MMSonia sarkar and Bushy 2.

Rafale was the best in class from what we had on the offer table.

Going forward there will be more and more indigenization and more desi maal, like we see in the NAVY already to a large extent.

Army too, the relatively simple to make stuff like field cannons/arty, APCs, infantry fighting vehicles, tanks, drones (some) are desi maal with L&T, Mahindra, Tata and others stepping up.

I see no point crying about the past.

The Rafale kickbacks by the BJP from late file goom gayi Parrikar's time was loot of the nation. Plain and simple. While the airforce barely had a gulel to throw at the sky.

You seems to be ignorant of the fact that it is hugely wasteful and inefficient for a fighting arm to be running systems from completely disparate ecosystems. Western and Russian.

 

[Sharma Ji]

You seems to be ignorant of the fact that it is hugely wasteful and inefficient for a fighting arm to be running systems from completely disparate ecosystems. Western and Russian.

In the absence of production capabilities, kya karein ?

All our eggs in one basket is the only solution ?

Only the US, Russia, China, France use exclusively their own combat fleets, and they'd be loath to go for kisi doosre ka maal.

Us gareeb must do what we have to, Pak is rapidly shifting to China exclusively only because unko nobody will sell.

Then there's other geopolitical considerations, log khush ho jaate hain agar hum unka maal khreeden toh.

Majboori ka naam... waali baat

 

[Vsdoc]

In the absence of production capabilities, kya karein ?

All our eggs in one basket is the only solution ?

Only the US, Russia, China, France use exclusively their own combat fleets, and they'd be loath to go for kisi doosre ka maal.

Us gareeb must do what we have to, Pak is rapidly shifting to China exclusively only because unko nobody will sell.

Then there's other geopolitical considerations, log khush ho jaate hain agar hum unka maal khreeden toh.

Majboori ka naam... waali baat

There was nothing wrong with Russian weaponry.

It was stupid to buy from a country that feeds protects and arms our enemy.

Of course you are a sanghi. I am talking to a wall.

A very dense one.

 

[Sharma Ji]

There was nothing wrong with Russian weaponry.

It was stupid to buy from a country that feeds protects and arms our enemy.

Test drive toh hamare pilots ne li thi, technical assessment was our qualified guys' job.

Who knows, kickbacks ki kya kahani hai (historically also)

Jo bhi hai, now we stuck with Rafale.. 40 something Ms now for the Navy.. eventually it'll be the backbone with at least the planned 126, likely more.

Too late now to back out now, we gotta see it through.

Going fwd pata nahi what they'll do with our ageing fleet, it sure is a cause for concern.

 

[Lulldapull]

In the absence of production capabilities, kya karein ?

All our eggs in one basket is the only solution ?

Only the US, Russia, China, France use exclusively their own combat fleets, and they'd be loath to go for kisi doosre ka maal.

Us gareeb must do what we have to, Pak is rapidly shifting to China exclusively only because unko nobody will sell.

Then there's other geopolitical considerations, log khush ho jaate hain agar hum unka maal khreeden toh.

Majboori ka naam... waali baat

Not nobody would sell us, it’s just that we don’t got da money baby….

Third rate cheeni maal lay letay hain basically at cost.

Pata chal gya ab k third rate maal kisy kaam ka nahi hae.

Na he lo to behtar hae.

Aik bhee brahmos ya scalp nahi intercepted by hq-9 or hq-16…..

This is very fukked up sharma….

 

[Sharma Ji]

Not nobody would sell us, it’s just that we don’t got da money baby….

Third rate cheeni maal lay letay hain basically at cost.

Pata chal gya ab k third rate maal kisy kaam ka nahi hae.

Na he lo to behtar hae.

Aik bhee brahmos ya scalp nahi intercepted by hq-9 or hq-16…..

This is very fukked up sharma….

Yes, given a choice they'd have gone for f-17 block 70 or something.

Ek time pe there were discussions at the old old place that they were in talks for Eurofighters but fell through.

Sweden are known to do their own thing, Gripen failed to meet whatever criteria maybe ?

 

[Vsdoc]

Test drive toh hamare pilots ne li thi, technical assessment was our qualified guys' job.

Who knows, kickbacks ki kya kahani hai (historically also)

Jo bhi hai, now we stuck with Rafale.. 40 something Ms now for the Navy.. eventually it'll be the backbone with at least the planned 126, likely more.

Too late now to back out now, we gotta see it through.

Going fwd pata nahi what they'll do with our ageing fleet, it sure is a cause for concern.

We did the same with the French Mirage ages ago.

 

[Vsdoc]

Yes, given a choice they'd have gone for f-17 block 70 or something.

Ek time pe there were discussions at the old old place that they were in talks for Eurofighters but fell through.

Sweden are known to do their own thing, Gripen failed to meet whatever criteria maybe ?

Gripen is the Walmart fighter of the fighter jet club. Great for Sweden and their industry. But ideally that's the role what our Tejas should have filled.

 

[Sharma Ji]

We did the same with the French Mirage ages ago.

They proven to be decent but, right ? Ek time pe they were the designated for nuke delivery.. now I guess they can strap a nuke on a brahmos on multiple platforms.

I think it was also the Mirages, quickly upgraded by the Israelis during Kargil and they did a pretty stellar job.

 

[Sharma Ji]

yup:

How Israel Helped India Win The Air War During Kargil

In 1997, two years prior to Kargil, India had signed a contract for the Israeli pods. Fifteen were to be procured for the Jaguar aircraft and five were meant for the Mirage 2000 squadrons.

www.ndtv.com

 

[Vsdoc]

They proven to be decent but, right ? Ek time pe they were the designated for nuke delivery.. now I guess they can strap a nuke on a brahmos on multiple platforms.

I think it was also the Mirages, quickly upgraded by the Israelis during Kargil and they did a pretty stellar job.

My point was about niche role limited numbers. Letting the Russkies do the heavy lifting.

 

[Sharma Ji]

My point was about niche role limited numbers. Letting the Russkies do the heavy lifting.

We still operating a fleet of 250+ MKIs that will be around for at least a decade.

 

[Vsdoc]

We still operating a fleet of 250+ MKIs that will be around for at least a decade.

How many Mirage 2000s do we operate?

 

[Sharma Ji]

still one of the most advanced flankers anywhere on earth

bested only by the RuAF SU-35s

dunno what China have done with their licence produced ones

 

[Vsdoc]

How many Mirage 2000s do we operate?

50.

That was my point.

Its not the numbers. Its what we do with them.

And we have been operating and refurbishing and modifying and upgrading them since the 1980s.