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I think Pakistan should use Nuclear weapons now. Pav Pav kilo ke bomb Chalao jo ki sirf Hindu o ko mare. Afterall why the Nukes are made?
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India-Pakistan conflict: Another chapter of misfortune in South Asia
India’s latest airstrike in Pakistan, carried out just after midnight on Tuesday and into the early hours of Wednesday, is tragic—but not entirely surprising. Over the last 15 years, and particularly following the recent terror attack in Pahalgam, war-like fervor has been building within Indian...
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India-Pakistan conflict: Another chapter of misfortune in South Asia
Altaf Parvez
Researcher on South-East Asian History
Updated: 08 May 2025, 18: 34
The people to face death or injuries along the borders and within both countries are the poor from all segments of society—some in uniforms, others not. Reuters.
India’s latest airstrike in Pakistan, carried out just after midnight on Tuesday and into the early hours of Wednesday, is tragic—but not entirely surprising. Over the last 15 years, and particularly following the recent terror attack in Pahalgam, war-like fervour has been building up in Indian public sentiment. A retaliatory strike on Pakistan seemed almost inevitable.
The Pakistanis were anticipating it. Their stock market had been steadily falling amid fears of an Indian strike. Through this action, the BJP government in India has partially satisfied public demands for retaliation. Politically, the move has also allowed them to save face. Yet a crucial question remains—has this strike made India any safer? Starting a war is always easier than ending one.
Lack of international support for India’s attack
The brutal bloodshed in Pahalgam drew widespread global condemnation. However, even two weeks after the incident, India failed to provide credible post-investigation evidence to support its claims. As a result, India has struggled to gain international support for blaming Pakistan. Neither the US nor Russia—India’s allies—have publicly held Pakistan accountable for the attack. This adds weight to the argument that India’s retaliatory airstrike on 6 May could be interpreted internationally as an act of aggression.
Just as the 26 victims in Pahalgam were innocent victims of terrorism, those killed by Indian bombing in Punjab and Azad Kashmir may also be considered victims of state terror. It's hard to dismiss the logic behind that viewpoint. Likewise, the Indian civilians dying in Pakistan’s retaliatory shelling are casualties of an escalating war hysteria.
Those actually responsible for these deaths in both countries—the rulers, the general, and the media bosses—will not go to the battlefield. They have never been in the past. The people who will die or be injured along the borders and within both countries are the poor from all segments of society—some in uniforms, others not.
These unfortunate souls will become the subjects of emotional content flooding YouTube, while in the background, both countries will quietly increase their military budgets once again. The influence of the military bureaucracy will grow stronger than ever, and religious and ethnic frenzy will reach new heights across society. Meanwhile, even though ordinary Hindus, Muslims, and Sikhs have no direct stake in the war, they will begin to view each other with renewed suspicion and distrust.
Across South Asia, it's important to note that the RSS approaching its 100-year anniversary. Its current ideological agenda is crystal clear: to legally declare India a Hindu nation. This is no secret. BJP is aiming to win 350–400 seats in the next Lok Sabha. Despite building a grand temple on the Babri Masjid site, they didn’t get expected results in Uttar Pradesh. They have now revised their political and military strategies.
Pakistan has already shut down schools, markets, and institutions in parts of Punjab and Azad Kashmir. India will likely have to follow suit in some areas. In the short term, this war will empower right-wing forces across South Asia, and its consequences will primarily harm the poor—both directly and indirectly.
Across America and Europe, the rise of far-right nationalists in politics is gaining momentum, and they will likely view this war as the rise of their South Asian allies. As a result, the business of selling military equipment in those countries will also thrive. With the help of the Modi administration, the Trump and Israeli governments have successfully diverted global attention away from their brutal actions in Gaza and redirected it toward South Asia. Regardless of what Trump says publicly, the 6 May 'Operation Sindoor' has been a welcome development for them.
Modi-Shah alliance strengthens
The ongoing war is elevating right-wing dominance across South Asia, and this is evident in India, where calls to expel or silence secular forces are being made repeatedly. Even the country’s main opposition party preemptively offered full support to the government’s strike on Pakistan and has already issued statements congratulating the move. This desperate attempt to remain politically relevant will ultimately serve to strengthen the BJP-RSS supremacist politics in a significant way.
Nearly all of India’s media are portraying the strike on Pakistan as an attack on a 'terrorist base'. It is as if they view all of Pakistan in Pakistan as terrorists. Such a dangerous mindset poses serious risks for South Asia's future. On the other hand, for the first time in history, the RSS-BJP alliance faces virtually no ideological opposition across India. They have managed to equate war-mongering with political strategy and present it as the only path forward for the nation.
The alarming possibility is that the BJP could exploit this war-like situation to call for early elections, win a large majority in the Lok Sabha, and then amend the Constitution to officially declare India a Hindu state—leaving the country’s secular forces with no effective recourse.
In the past the commentators used to say that war begins where politics ends. But the reality is that many political ideologies actively pursue war. Throughout history, many political movements have been cultivated with blood.
Across South Asia, it's important to note that RSS is approaching its 100-year anniversary. Its current ideological agenda is crystal clear: to legally declare India a Hindu nation. This is no secret. The BJP is aiming to win 350–400 seats in the next Lok Sabha. Despite building a grand temple on the Babri Masjid site, they didn’t get expected results in Uttar Pradesh. So, they have now revised their political and military strategies.
What they need now is a heightened, anti-Pakistan and anti-Muslim war environment. This has already socially cornered the Congress Party and other major opponents. Rahul Gandhi has effectively surrendered to Modi and Amit Shah’s political and military maneuvers. The Sangh Parivar has embarked on capitalising on the Pahalgam episode in the best possible way.
Right-wing surge serves US strategic interests
Modi’s latest move is also strategically beneficial to the US. Although Washington has outwardly distanced itself from the conflict and Trump called the attack disappointing, the more China sides with Pakistan, the closer India will move toward the US—a development America welcomes. India also needs the US, and this polarisation aligns with the broader US agenda of countering China.
After achieving strategic objectives in Ukraine and the Middle East, the US is preparing its own society to view China as the next major adversary. India’s policy toward Pakistan will play supportive role. As a result, military tensions are spreading across South Asia and the Arabian Sea—undermining the region’s potential to emerge as a self-reliant economic zone. Trump's trade wars had prompted South Asian nations to consider strengthening intra-regional trade, but this war is now a major setback to that vision.
Multiple risks for Bangladesh
This ongoing war poses several risks for Bangladesh. Both warring countries will try to pull Bangladesh to their side. The danger lies in the fact that Bangladesh currently has no elected government, and there is no institutional platform for the public to express their opinions. Any reaction from the Bangladeshi public could be interpreted by India or Pakistan as a sign of support or hostility.
For over seven months now, anti-Bangladesh rhetoric has been intensifying across India. These propagandists may now try to present Bangladesh as an enemy alongside Pakistan. In this situation, both the Bangladeshi government and civil society must respond with caution. Discussions with Myanmar over humanitarian corridors should also be put on hold for now. Bangladesh must remain on high alert to prevent sudden border push-ins.
*Altaf Parvez is a researcher about history. The article is of the writer's opinion.
Altaf Parvez
Researcher on South-East Asian History
Updated: 08 May 2025, 18: 34
The people to face death or injuries along the borders and within both countries are the poor from all segments of society—some in uniforms, others not. Reuters.
India’s latest airstrike in Pakistan, carried out just after midnight on Tuesday and into the early hours of Wednesday, is tragic—but not entirely surprising. Over the last 15 years, and particularly following the recent terror attack in Pahalgam, war-like fervour has been building up in Indian public sentiment. A retaliatory strike on Pakistan seemed almost inevitable.
The Pakistanis were anticipating it. Their stock market had been steadily falling amid fears of an Indian strike. Through this action, the BJP government in India has partially satisfied public demands for retaliation. Politically, the move has also allowed them to save face. Yet a crucial question remains—has this strike made India any safer? Starting a war is always easier than ending one.
Lack of international support for India’s attack
The brutal bloodshed in Pahalgam drew widespread global condemnation. However, even two weeks after the incident, India failed to provide credible post-investigation evidence to support its claims. As a result, India has struggled to gain international support for blaming Pakistan. Neither the US nor Russia—India’s allies—have publicly held Pakistan accountable for the attack. This adds weight to the argument that India’s retaliatory airstrike on 6 May could be interpreted internationally as an act of aggression.
Just as the 26 victims in Pahalgam were innocent victims of terrorism, those killed by Indian bombing in Punjab and Azad Kashmir may also be considered victims of state terror. It's hard to dismiss the logic behind that viewpoint. Likewise, the Indian civilians dying in Pakistan’s retaliatory shelling are casualties of an escalating war hysteria.
Those actually responsible for these deaths in both countries—the rulers, the general, and the media bosses—will not go to the battlefield. They have never been in the past. The people who will die or be injured along the borders and within both countries are the poor from all segments of society—some in uniforms, others not.
These unfortunate souls will become the subjects of emotional content flooding YouTube, while in the background, both countries will quietly increase their military budgets once again. The influence of the military bureaucracy will grow stronger than ever, and religious and ethnic frenzy will reach new heights across society. Meanwhile, even though ordinary Hindus, Muslims, and Sikhs have no direct stake in the war, they will begin to view each other with renewed suspicion and distrust.
Across South Asia, it's important to note that the RSS approaching its 100-year anniversary. Its current ideological agenda is crystal clear: to legally declare India a Hindu nation. This is no secret. BJP is aiming to win 350–400 seats in the next Lok Sabha. Despite building a grand temple on the Babri Masjid site, they didn’t get expected results in Uttar Pradesh. They have now revised their political and military strategies.
Pakistan has already shut down schools, markets, and institutions in parts of Punjab and Azad Kashmir. India will likely have to follow suit in some areas. In the short term, this war will empower right-wing forces across South Asia, and its consequences will primarily harm the poor—both directly and indirectly.
Across America and Europe, the rise of far-right nationalists in politics is gaining momentum, and they will likely view this war as the rise of their South Asian allies. As a result, the business of selling military equipment in those countries will also thrive. With the help of the Modi administration, the Trump and Israeli governments have successfully diverted global attention away from their brutal actions in Gaza and redirected it toward South Asia. Regardless of what Trump says publicly, the 6 May 'Operation Sindoor' has been a welcome development for them.
Modi-Shah alliance strengthens
The ongoing war is elevating right-wing dominance across South Asia, and this is evident in India, where calls to expel or silence secular forces are being made repeatedly. Even the country’s main opposition party preemptively offered full support to the government’s strike on Pakistan and has already issued statements congratulating the move. This desperate attempt to remain politically relevant will ultimately serve to strengthen the BJP-RSS supremacist politics in a significant way.
Nearly all of India’s media are portraying the strike on Pakistan as an attack on a 'terrorist base'. It is as if they view all of Pakistan in Pakistan as terrorists. Such a dangerous mindset poses serious risks for South Asia's future. On the other hand, for the first time in history, the RSS-BJP alliance faces virtually no ideological opposition across India. They have managed to equate war-mongering with political strategy and present it as the only path forward for the nation.
The alarming possibility is that the BJP could exploit this war-like situation to call for early elections, win a large majority in the Lok Sabha, and then amend the Constitution to officially declare India a Hindu state—leaving the country’s secular forces with no effective recourse.
In the past the commentators used to say that war begins where politics ends. But the reality is that many political ideologies actively pursue war. Throughout history, many political movements have been cultivated with blood.
Across South Asia, it's important to note that RSS is approaching its 100-year anniversary. Its current ideological agenda is crystal clear: to legally declare India a Hindu nation. This is no secret. The BJP is aiming to win 350–400 seats in the next Lok Sabha. Despite building a grand temple on the Babri Masjid site, they didn’t get expected results in Uttar Pradesh. So, they have now revised their political and military strategies.
What they need now is a heightened, anti-Pakistan and anti-Muslim war environment. This has already socially cornered the Congress Party and other major opponents. Rahul Gandhi has effectively surrendered to Modi and Amit Shah’s political and military maneuvers. The Sangh Parivar has embarked on capitalising on the Pahalgam episode in the best possible way.
Right-wing surge serves US strategic interests
Modi’s latest move is also strategically beneficial to the US. Although Washington has outwardly distanced itself from the conflict and Trump called the attack disappointing, the more China sides with Pakistan, the closer India will move toward the US—a development America welcomes. India also needs the US, and this polarisation aligns with the broader US agenda of countering China.
After achieving strategic objectives in Ukraine and the Middle East, the US is preparing its own society to view China as the next major adversary. India’s policy toward Pakistan will play supportive role. As a result, military tensions are spreading across South Asia and the Arabian Sea—undermining the region’s potential to emerge as a self-reliant economic zone. Trump's trade wars had prompted South Asian nations to consider strengthening intra-regional trade, but this war is now a major setback to that vision.
Multiple risks for Bangladesh
This ongoing war poses several risks for Bangladesh. Both warring countries will try to pull Bangladesh to their side. The danger lies in the fact that Bangladesh currently has no elected government, and there is no institutional platform for the public to express their opinions. Any reaction from the Bangladeshi public could be interpreted by India or Pakistan as a sign of support or hostility.
For over seven months now, anti-Bangladesh rhetoric has been intensifying across India. These propagandists may now try to present Bangladesh as an enemy alongside Pakistan. In this situation, both the Bangladeshi government and civil society must respond with caution. Discussions with Myanmar over humanitarian corridors should also be put on hold for now. Bangladesh must remain on high alert to prevent sudden border push-ins.
*Altaf Parvez is a researcher about history. The article is of the writer's opinion.
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You want Pakistan to NUKE India?
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There is no full fledged war yet. Brahmos isn't used yet, it seems.
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Explosions rock Indian Kashmir
Sirens ring out in Jammu, projectiles in night sky; Islamabad says Indian drones earlier entered its airspace
Explosions rock Indian Kashmir
A family sits in an open restaurent just before a suspected Pakistan attack in Jammu, May 8, 2025. Photo: Reuters/Adnan Abidi
A family sits in an open restaurent just before a suspected Pakistan attack in Jammu, May 8, 2025. Photo: Reuters/Adnan Abidi
- Sirens ring out in Jammu, projectiles in night sky
- Pakistan earlier said retaliation 'increasingly certain'
- Islamabad says Indian drones earlier entered its airspace
Blasts rang out across the Indian city of Jammu late on Thursday during what the government said was a Pakistani drone and missile attack on military stations around the Kashmir region on the second day of clashes between the nuclear-armed neighbours.
Sirens sounded and red flashes and projectiles erupted in the night sky above Jammu for about 2-1/2 hours, a Reuters journalist said, in what appeared to be an escalation in the countries' worst confrontation in more than two decades.
Two days of fighting have killed nearly four dozen people.
"Military stations at Jammu, Pathankot & Udhampur were targeted by Pakistani-origin drones and missiles along the international border in J&K today," India's Ministry of Defence said on X, citing places in and near the federal territory of Jammu and Kashmir.
"The threats were swiftly neutralised .... No casualties or material losses were reported."
A hotel staff uses a moblie phone as others look for shelter amid a suspected Pakistan attack in Jammu, May 8, 2025. Photo: Reuters/Adnan Abidi
Indian TV channels also showed flares and flashes in the sky above Jaisalmer city in Rajasthan state, which shares a border with the southern Pakistani province of Sindh.
In a statement, Islamabad denied attacking Pathankot in India's Punjab state, Srinagar in the Kashmir Valley and Jaisalmer and said the accusations were "entirely unfounded, politically motivated, and part of a reckless propaganda campaign aimed at maligning Pakistan".
Pakistan's Ministry of Foreign Affairs said the country would respond to any escalation "with full resolve and determination to safeguard Pakistan's sovereignty and territorial integrity."
Electricity in Jammu was slowly being restored after a blackout during the attack, a Reuters journalist said.
Eight missiles, fired from Pakistan at the Jammu region towns of Satwari, Samba, Ranbir Singh Pura and Arnia, were intercepted by air defence units, added an Indian military source who asked not to be named.
They were part of a wider attack, the source added.
A hotel staff runs for cover amid a suspected Pakistani attack in Jammu, May 8, 2025. Photo: Reuters/Adnan Abidi
Pakistan's Defence Minister Khawaja Muhammad Asif earlier said further retaliation was "increasingly certain" after both countries accused each other of launching drone attacks.
World powers from the US to Russia and China have called for calm in one of the world's most dangerous and populated nuclear flashpoint regions. The US Consulate General in Pakistan's Lahore ordered staff to shelter in place.
US Secretary of State Marco Rubio called for de-escalation in separate calls with Indian Foreign Minister Subrahmanyam Jaishankar and Pakistani Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif on Thursday, the State Department said.
The relationship between India and Pakistan has been fraught with tension since they gained independence from colonial Britain in 1947. The countries have fought three wars, two of them over Kashmir, and clashed many times.
The neighbours, which both claim Kashmir in full and rule over parts of it, separately acquired nuclear weapons in the 1990s.
DRONES, MISSILES, AIR DEFENCES
In the latest confrontations, India said it hit nine "terrorist infrastructure" sites in Pakistan on Wednesday in retaliation for what it says was a deadly Islamabad-backed attack in Indian Kashmir on April 22.
Pakistan says it was not involved and denied that any of the sites hit by India were militant bases. It said it shot down five Indian aircraft on Wednesday, a report the Indian embassy in Beijing dismissed as "misinformation".
Pakistan's military said earlier on Thursday it shot down 29 drones from India at multiple locations including the two largest cities of Karachi and Lahore and the garrison city of Rawalpindi, home to the army's headquarters.
The Indian defence ministry said Pakistan attempted to engage a number of military targets in northern and western India from Wednesday night into Thursday morning and they were "neutralised" by Indian air defence systems.
In response, Indian forces targeted air defence radars and systems at a number of locations in Pakistan on Thursday, the ministry said.
Before trading ended, both countries saw their stocks, bonds and currencies decline, and Pakistan's benchmark share index .KSE closed down 5.9%.
Local media reported panic buying in some cities in the Indian state of Punjab, which shares a border with Pakistan, as people hoarded essentials.
Sirens sounded and red flashes and projectiles erupted in the night sky above Jammu for about 2-1/2 hours, a Reuters journalist said, in what appeared to be an escalation in the countries' worst confrontation in more than two decades.
Two days of fighting have killed nearly four dozen people.
"Military stations at Jammu, Pathankot & Udhampur were targeted by Pakistani-origin drones and missiles along the international border in J&K today," India's Ministry of Defence said on X, citing places in and near the federal territory of Jammu and Kashmir.
"The threats were swiftly neutralised .... No casualties or material losses were reported."
A hotel staff uses a moblie phone as others look for shelter amid a suspected Pakistan attack in Jammu, May 8, 2025. Photo: Reuters/Adnan Abidi
Indian TV channels also showed flares and flashes in the sky above Jaisalmer city in Rajasthan state, which shares a border with the southern Pakistani province of Sindh.
In a statement, Islamabad denied attacking Pathankot in India's Punjab state, Srinagar in the Kashmir Valley and Jaisalmer and said the accusations were "entirely unfounded, politically motivated, and part of a reckless propaganda campaign aimed at maligning Pakistan".
Pakistan's Ministry of Foreign Affairs said the country would respond to any escalation "with full resolve and determination to safeguard Pakistan's sovereignty and territorial integrity."
Electricity in Jammu was slowly being restored after a blackout during the attack, a Reuters journalist said.
Eight missiles, fired from Pakistan at the Jammu region towns of Satwari, Samba, Ranbir Singh Pura and Arnia, were intercepted by air defence units, added an Indian military source who asked not to be named.
They were part of a wider attack, the source added.
A hotel staff runs for cover amid a suspected Pakistani attack in Jammu, May 8, 2025. Photo: Reuters/Adnan Abidi
Pakistan's Defence Minister Khawaja Muhammad Asif earlier said further retaliation was "increasingly certain" after both countries accused each other of launching drone attacks.
World powers from the US to Russia and China have called for calm in one of the world's most dangerous and populated nuclear flashpoint regions. The US Consulate General in Pakistan's Lahore ordered staff to shelter in place.
US Secretary of State Marco Rubio called for de-escalation in separate calls with Indian Foreign Minister Subrahmanyam Jaishankar and Pakistani Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif on Thursday, the State Department said.
The relationship between India and Pakistan has been fraught with tension since they gained independence from colonial Britain in 1947. The countries have fought three wars, two of them over Kashmir, and clashed many times.
The neighbours, which both claim Kashmir in full and rule over parts of it, separately acquired nuclear weapons in the 1990s.
DRONES, MISSILES, AIR DEFENCES
In the latest confrontations, India said it hit nine "terrorist infrastructure" sites in Pakistan on Wednesday in retaliation for what it says was a deadly Islamabad-backed attack in Indian Kashmir on April 22.
Pakistan says it was not involved and denied that any of the sites hit by India were militant bases. It said it shot down five Indian aircraft on Wednesday, a report the Indian embassy in Beijing dismissed as "misinformation".
Pakistan's military said earlier on Thursday it shot down 29 drones from India at multiple locations including the two largest cities of Karachi and Lahore and the garrison city of Rawalpindi, home to the army's headquarters.
The Indian defence ministry said Pakistan attempted to engage a number of military targets in northern and western India from Wednesday night into Thursday morning and they were "neutralised" by Indian air defence systems.
In response, Indian forces targeted air defence radars and systems at a number of locations in Pakistan on Thursday, the ministry said.
Before trading ended, both countries saw their stocks, bonds and currencies decline, and Pakistan's benchmark share index .KSE closed down 5.9%.
Local media reported panic buying in some cities in the Indian state of Punjab, which shares a border with Pakistan, as people hoarded essentials.
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Pakistan's Chinese-made jet brought down two Indian fighter aircraft: US officials
An Indian Air Force spokesperson said he had no comment when asked about the Reuters report
Pakistan's Chinese-made jet brought down two Indian fighter aircraft: US officials
China's J-10 fighter jets from the People's Liberation Army Air Force August 1st Aerobatics Team perform during a media demonstration at the Korat Royal Thai Air Force Base, Nakhon Ratchasima province, Thailand, November 24, 2015. Photo: Reuters/Athit Perawongmetha
A top Chinese-made Pakistani fighter plane shot down at least two Indian military aircraft on Wednesday, two U.S. officials told Reuters, marking a major milestone for Beijing's advanced fighter jet.
An Indian Air Force spokesperson said he had no comment when asked about the Reuters report.
The performance of a leading Chinese fighter jet against a Western rival is being closely watched in Washington for insights into how Beijing might fare in any showdown over Taiwan or the wider Indo-Pacific.
One US official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said there was high confidence that Pakistan had used the Chinese-made J-10 aircraft to launch air-to-air missiles against Indian fighter jets - bringing down at least two.
Another official said at least one Indian jet that was shot down was a French-made Rafale fighter aircraft.
Both officials said Pakistan's F-16 aircraft, made by Lockheed Martin, were not used in the shootdown.
Delhi has not acknowledged the loss of any of its planes and instead said it carried out successful strikes against what it claimed was "terrorist infrastructure" inside Pakistan.
World powers from the US to Russia and China have called for calm in one of the world's most dangerous, and most populated, nuclear flashpoint regions.
In France, Rafale manufacturer Dassault Aviation and the MBDA, BAE Systems, Leonardo SpA, which makes the Meteor air-to-air missile, could not immediately be reached for comment on a public holiday.
While Reuters reported on Wednesday that three Indian planes went down, citing local government officials in India, this marks the first Western confirmation that Pakistan's Chinese-made jets were used in the shootdowns.
Pakistan's Defence Minister Khawaja Muhammad Asif told Reuters on Thursday that the J-10 was used to shoot down three French-made Rafale planes, which were newly acquired by India.
Altogether, Pakistan says it downed five Indian planes in air-to-air combat.
CLOSELY EYING
The Rafale and the model of the J-10 used by Pakistan are both considered generation 4.5 fighter jets, placing them at the leading edge of combat aircraft.
Western analysts and defense industry sources said the live use of some of the advanced weapons that could be deployed in future major power conflicts would be scrutinized in minute detail, but emphasized it was too early to draw firm conclusions.
"Air warfare communities in China, the US and a number of European countries will be extremely interested to try and get as much ground truth as they can on tactics, techniques, procedures, what kit was used, what worked and what didn't," said Douglas Barrie, senior fellow for military aerospace at the International Institute for Strategic Studies.
Social media posts highlighted the face-off between China's PL-15 air-to-air missile against the Meteor, produced by European missile group MBDA, BAE Systems and Leonardo SpA.
But the analysts and sources said crucial details were unclear including whether Meteors were carried or how they may have been deployed.
"At the moment it's not possible to judge anything. We know so little," a Western defence industry source said.
Nuclear-armed India and Pakistan have fought three major wars, as well as numerous smaller conflicts.
Blasts rang out across the city of Jammu in Indian Kashmir late on Thursday during what Indian military sources said they suspected was a Pakistani drone attack across the region on the second day of clashes between the neighbors.
Pakistan said earlier on Thursday it shot down 25 drones from India overnight, while India said its air defenses had stopped Pakistani drone and missile attacks on military targets.
China's J-10 fighter jets from the People's Liberation Army Air Force August 1st Aerobatics Team perform during a media demonstration at the Korat Royal Thai Air Force Base, Nakhon Ratchasima province, Thailand, November 24, 2015. Photo: Reuters/Athit Perawongmetha
A top Chinese-made Pakistani fighter plane shot down at least two Indian military aircraft on Wednesday, two U.S. officials told Reuters, marking a major milestone for Beijing's advanced fighter jet.
An Indian Air Force spokesperson said he had no comment when asked about the Reuters report.
The performance of a leading Chinese fighter jet against a Western rival is being closely watched in Washington for insights into how Beijing might fare in any showdown over Taiwan or the wider Indo-Pacific.
One US official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said there was high confidence that Pakistan had used the Chinese-made J-10 aircraft to launch air-to-air missiles against Indian fighter jets - bringing down at least two.
Another official said at least one Indian jet that was shot down was a French-made Rafale fighter aircraft.
Both officials said Pakistan's F-16 aircraft, made by Lockheed Martin, were not used in the shootdown.
Delhi has not acknowledged the loss of any of its planes and instead said it carried out successful strikes against what it claimed was "terrorist infrastructure" inside Pakistan.
World powers from the US to Russia and China have called for calm in one of the world's most dangerous, and most populated, nuclear flashpoint regions.
In France, Rafale manufacturer Dassault Aviation and the MBDA, BAE Systems, Leonardo SpA, which makes the Meteor air-to-air missile, could not immediately be reached for comment on a public holiday.
While Reuters reported on Wednesday that three Indian planes went down, citing local government officials in India, this marks the first Western confirmation that Pakistan's Chinese-made jets were used in the shootdowns.
Pakistan's Defence Minister Khawaja Muhammad Asif told Reuters on Thursday that the J-10 was used to shoot down three French-made Rafale planes, which were newly acquired by India.
Altogether, Pakistan says it downed five Indian planes in air-to-air combat.
CLOSELY EYING
The Rafale and the model of the J-10 used by Pakistan are both considered generation 4.5 fighter jets, placing them at the leading edge of combat aircraft.
Western analysts and defense industry sources said the live use of some of the advanced weapons that could be deployed in future major power conflicts would be scrutinized in minute detail, but emphasized it was too early to draw firm conclusions.
"Air warfare communities in China, the US and a number of European countries will be extremely interested to try and get as much ground truth as they can on tactics, techniques, procedures, what kit was used, what worked and what didn't," said Douglas Barrie, senior fellow for military aerospace at the International Institute for Strategic Studies.
Social media posts highlighted the face-off between China's PL-15 air-to-air missile against the Meteor, produced by European missile group MBDA, BAE Systems and Leonardo SpA.
But the analysts and sources said crucial details were unclear including whether Meteors were carried or how they may have been deployed.
"At the moment it's not possible to judge anything. We know so little," a Western defence industry source said.
Nuclear-armed India and Pakistan have fought three major wars, as well as numerous smaller conflicts.
Blasts rang out across the city of Jammu in Indian Kashmir late on Thursday during what Indian military sources said they suspected was a Pakistani drone attack across the region on the second day of clashes between the neighbors.
Pakistan said earlier on Thursday it shot down 25 drones from India overnight, while India said its air defenses had stopped Pakistani drone and missile attacks on military targets.
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I don't believe any indian or Pakistani warplanes hav been shot down yet.
Zero losses thus far on either side.
I'm still waiting for proof, even though warplanes have become total junks in modern conflict.
Zero losses thus far on either side.
I'm still waiting for proof, even though warplanes have become total junks in modern conflict.
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France and the US confirmed Pakistan shot down a few Indian jets.
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Lets say its one Rafale or ten Rafales shot down.......
The problem for some of us who are Pakistanis here is that Indias totally crossed the Rubicon here no?
What this means is dat despite us having 'nukes'......India can attack our country wily nily based upon any excuse.
You understand the gravity of this situation no?
Our deterrent is gone bro!.......We've been exposed along with our China supplied weaponry, none of which could prevent nor thwart an Indian attack on us.
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This is all slipping away from our grip folks......
We gotta talk to Iran ASAP and get hypersonics right now. Regular Scud type ballistic missiles are junk today!
As per Indian media we launched about 50 SSM's at Indian positions along with a similar no of drones, but 99% of them were intercepted, (unconfirmed Indian media accounts)
We gotta talk to Iran ASAP and get hypersonics right now. Regular Scud type ballistic missiles are junk today!
As per Indian media we launched about 50 SSM's at Indian positions along with a similar no of drones, but 99% of them were intercepted, (unconfirmed Indian media accounts)
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[🇧🇩] Indian Aggression and the Activities of RAW /Dismembering Bangladesh- Latest: Krishna with Flute
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Latest Posts
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[🇧🇩] Indian Aggression and the Activities of RAW /Dismembering Bangladesh
- Latest: Krishna with Flute
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