Saif
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Prothom Alo : The government has reportedly written to India about carrying out the Teesta project with Chinese funding. Was this discussed in the Advisory Council?
Asif Nazrul Sometimes such issues are discussed in the Advisory Council, sometimes in the “kitchen cabinet” of a few advisers, and sometimes Sir (Professor Yunus) calls us individually to consult. No such major decision is made by any adviser alone.
Prothom Alo : Do you or your government ever feel pressured or influenced by Facebook users or YouTubers? You yourself once said that if such pressure is ignored, smear campaigns begin.
Asif Nazrul Social media pressure exists everywhere in the world to some extent. These days, people can write whatever they want. There's no enforcement of the Digital Security Act, no fear of arrest or threats. But I personally do not make decisions based on Facebook or YouTube. It's possible that one or two individuals might be troubled by a specific campaign online and may try to act, or avoid acting, accordingly. But that’s not how decisions should be made.
Prothom Alo: The UN Human Rights Office is opening a mission in Dhaka. Yet, under your ministry, the National Human Rights Commission has been without a chairman for eight months.
Asif Nazrul That’s a fair criticism. The current Human Rights Commission is almost toothless, you could say. There are serious problems in the law itself. With so many other reforms underway, we haven’t yet been able to reform the Commission. A major overhaul of the law is necessary before appointing anyone. There’s no point appointing someone just to fill a seat. But we will act on this very soon.
Prothom Alo : Some say what Bangladesh really needs is reconciliation. You’ve spoken about a Reconciliation Commission. You and the Chief Justice recently visited South Africa. There, justice was served, and people asked each other for forgiveness. Will we move toward reconciliation or remain trapped in endless division and conflict?
Asif Nazrul In South Africa, the white population was genuinely remorseful. That remorse led them to seek reconciliation. But do you see any remorse among our perpetrators? How can you reconcile with those who show no regret?
Prothom Alo: Those you refer to will come under the purview of justice. But beyond them, there are countless Awami League leaders, workers, and supporters.
Asif Nazrul Action is not being taken against the entire population. Reconciliation involves several concepts. One is truth-seeking, which we are doing. Second, memorialisation, for that, we are establishing the July Museum. Third, reparation. That is being provided. And fourth, justice. Reconciliation comes after these four processes. The justice process has begun. If, after that, the environment for reconciliation emerges, if not under this government, then perhaps under the next, such possibilities can be considered.
Prothom Alo: Without reconciliation, are we doomed to remain trapped in a cycle of division and revenge?
Asif Nazrul Reconciliation is a truly valuable concept in any context. We needed reconciliation right after the Liberation War. We needed it after the pro-democracy movement of the 1990s. But reconciliation requires a favourable environment. How can you build goodwill with those who harmed you if they show no remorse?
Prothom Alo : We need a Nelson Mandela. Who besides Professor Yunus could be that leader?
Asif Nazrul Opposite Mandela, there was also a leader like De Klerk. Look at the role De Klerk played. Mandela didn’t bring about reconciliation and the end of apartheid alone.
We’ve been studying reconciliation efforts in South Africa, Sri Lanka, and other countries. A formal initiative may later come from the Chief Justice. Let the discussion continue among the people.
Prothom Alo : Thank you.
Asif Nazrul Thank you too.
Asif Nazrul Sometimes such issues are discussed in the Advisory Council, sometimes in the “kitchen cabinet” of a few advisers, and sometimes Sir (Professor Yunus) calls us individually to consult. No such major decision is made by any adviser alone.
Prothom Alo : Do you or your government ever feel pressured or influenced by Facebook users or YouTubers? You yourself once said that if such pressure is ignored, smear campaigns begin.
Asif Nazrul Social media pressure exists everywhere in the world to some extent. These days, people can write whatever they want. There's no enforcement of the Digital Security Act, no fear of arrest or threats. But I personally do not make decisions based on Facebook or YouTube. It's possible that one or two individuals might be troubled by a specific campaign online and may try to act, or avoid acting, accordingly. But that’s not how decisions should be made.
Prothom Alo: The UN Human Rights Office is opening a mission in Dhaka. Yet, under your ministry, the National Human Rights Commission has been without a chairman for eight months.
Asif Nazrul That’s a fair criticism. The current Human Rights Commission is almost toothless, you could say. There are serious problems in the law itself. With so many other reforms underway, we haven’t yet been able to reform the Commission. A major overhaul of the law is necessary before appointing anyone. There’s no point appointing someone just to fill a seat. But we will act on this very soon.
Prothom Alo : Some say what Bangladesh really needs is reconciliation. You’ve spoken about a Reconciliation Commission. You and the Chief Justice recently visited South Africa. There, justice was served, and people asked each other for forgiveness. Will we move toward reconciliation or remain trapped in endless division and conflict?
Asif Nazrul In South Africa, the white population was genuinely remorseful. That remorse led them to seek reconciliation. But do you see any remorse among our perpetrators? How can you reconcile with those who show no regret?
Prothom Alo: Those you refer to will come under the purview of justice. But beyond them, there are countless Awami League leaders, workers, and supporters.
Asif Nazrul Action is not being taken against the entire population. Reconciliation involves several concepts. One is truth-seeking, which we are doing. Second, memorialisation, for that, we are establishing the July Museum. Third, reparation. That is being provided. And fourth, justice. Reconciliation comes after these four processes. The justice process has begun. If, after that, the environment for reconciliation emerges, if not under this government, then perhaps under the next, such possibilities can be considered.
Prothom Alo: Without reconciliation, are we doomed to remain trapped in a cycle of division and revenge?
Asif Nazrul Reconciliation is a truly valuable concept in any context. We needed reconciliation right after the Liberation War. We needed it after the pro-democracy movement of the 1990s. But reconciliation requires a favourable environment. How can you build goodwill with those who harmed you if they show no remorse?
Prothom Alo : We need a Nelson Mandela. Who besides Professor Yunus could be that leader?
Asif Nazrul Opposite Mandela, there was also a leader like De Klerk. Look at the role De Klerk played. Mandela didn’t bring about reconciliation and the end of apartheid alone.
We’ve been studying reconciliation efforts in South Africa, Sri Lanka, and other countries. A formal initiative may later come from the Chief Justice. Let the discussion continue among the people.
Prothom Alo : Thank you.
Asif Nazrul Thank you too.