MiddleEast/Africa Gaza-Israel Conflict

[PakistanProud]

Date of Event: Oct 7, 2023

Source : https://web.archive.org/web/20231203210108/https://pdf.defence.pk/threads/gaza-israel-conflict-october-2023.777384/ Short Summary: Gaza-Israeli Updates

Discuss the current conflict going on between Israel & Palestine. Post tweets with a simple copy.

The source is an archived version of the Gaza-Israel thread from the previous PDF.

 

[TheNewb77]

US hopeful Hamas will agree to hostage deal, Qatar hints at 'positivity'​

A Qatari official told Reuters that Hamas indicated it viewed a proposal for a hostage deal positively.​

Israel-Hamas War Day 118: IDF takes over Khan Yunis, Hamas 'positive'

Qatar FM: Hamas gives initial approval for Gaza ceasefire, hostage deal • Israel defeats Hamas in Khan Yunis, over 10,000 Gazan terrorists killed

www.jpost.com

 

[VCheng]

What happens next in Rafah will be the key.

 

[Old School]

What happens next in Rafah will be the key.

Israel must agree with Egypt first before launching the Rafah offensive. Egyptians are always there for the highest bidders, and so are everyone else. The only beneficiary of this tragic conflict is Netanyahu's political enemies and, of course, Iran. We will see Iran and Hezbollah cheerleading on the fringes while thousands more Palestinians are dying. No one will intervene on behalf of the Palestinians.

 

[VCheng]

Israel must agree with Egypt first before launching the Rafah offensive. Egyptians are always there for the highest bidders, and so are everyone else. The only beneficiary of this tragic conflict is Netanyahu's political enemies and, of course, Iran. We will see Iran and Hezbollah cheerleading on the fringes while thousands more Palestinians are dying. No one will intervene on behalf of the Palestinians.

As I say, let us wait and see. Arabs are either sleeping or for sale, and the rest of the faithful are simply unconcerned.

 

[TheNewb77]

Israel’s war on Gaza live: Israeli captives ‘struggling for life’ – Hamas​

By Brian Osgood and Usaid Siddiqui
Published On 16 Feb 202416 Feb 2024
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• Shooting attack at a bus stop in southern Israel kills three and wounds four, Israeli forces raid Shuafat Refugee Camp, where accused shooter lives, in response.
• Israel’s incursion into Khan Younis’ Nasser Hospital has led to the deaths of at least five patients after electricity was severed and oxygen supplies cut.

Hamas warns Israeli captives ‘struggling for life’ as truce deal stalls

Loses among captives ‘very large’, says group spokesman, after PM Netanyahu declines to send team to Cairo truce talks.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[dalit]

This is not a conspiracy. This is happening as we speak.

 

[Lulldapull]

Hamaray bewquff khotay getting emotional on da israheel aleh salam vs Al-Yahuda conflict …..bewaquff idiota’s don’t understand that Iran’s playing all these arbi/yahudi/ hillbillay chumppu one against de other……Aaaahahahaaaaa….. Why is our awaam so chutiya? In ko pakarr ker koi maaray because they so gullible no?

 

[4MikeEcho]

Two observations:
1. Indians will continue to supply the world's labor workforce. Not exactly what a competitor to China (at least in eyes of US) should be doing.

2. GCC (mostly UAE, Saudi Arabia) continue to be spineless. They can't help Gazans, but given 9M indians work in GCC countries, you would think they would have the backbone to state a policy position

https://www.npr.org/2024/02/17/1229525320/india-israel-hamas-war-jobs-migrant-workers

With Palestinian laborers shut out of Israel, Indian workers line up for jobs there​

February 17, 20245:01 AM ET


Indian men line up at a registration office set up in a technical college in the northern Indian city of Lucknow, where they hope to sign up to work in Israel.
Diaa Hadid/NPR

LUCKNOW, India — A devotional song blares from a Hindu temple as dozens of men cram in line for the chance to register for work in Israel. But mostly what the men hear are orders. An official directs them to a warehouse-style waiting room if they haven't already signed up. As the men jostle to get to the head of the line, a security guard orders them to sit down on the ground. "Do it like gentlemen," the guard orders. "No need for mischief!"


This unruly line outside a vocational training center in the northern Indian city of Lucknow is more than 2,700 miles away from Gaza — and it spotlights the many ways the war between Israel and Hamas is affecting life around the world.

Middle East crisis — explained ​

Thai farmhands in Israel face a grim choice: work in a war zone or go home to poverty​

Israel suspended the work permits of most Palestinian laborers after Hamas-backed militants attacked Israel on Oct. 7, killing more than 1,200 people and taking 240 hostages, according to Israeli authorities. That triggered the latest war between Israel and Hamas in Gaza, where more than 27,000 Palestinians have been killed since Oct. 7, according to Gaza health officials.


Palestinian laborers formed the backbone of Israel's construction sector. After the work permit suspensions, most building sites lie idle.


"We don't bring in Arabs from Judea and Samaria because it is a security risk," said Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich, using a biblical term to describe the Israeli-occupied West Bank. This is what prompted Israel to look for "alternatives," he said during a Feb. 4 news conference.


India appears to be one of those alternatives.


Haim Feiglin, the deputy president of the Israel Builders Association, told Voice of America soon after the war began that the association was hoping to bring in anywhere from 50,000 to 100,000 workers from India. "Right now we are negotiating with India. We are waiting for [the] decision of the Israeli government to approve that," he said in an interview on Nov. 1.


Barely two months later, the northern Indian states of Haryana and Uttar Pradesh each advertised 10,000 jobs for skilled laborers in Israel. According to an advertisement issued by the Haryana state government, the Israeli recruiters seek carpenters, blacksmiths, tilers and plasterers.


Those selected after on-spot interviews and skill tests will receive a monthly wage of more than $1,600, more than five or six times what they would receive for the same work in India.


Among the men hopeful for jobs in Israel is Ram Kumar, a 36-year-old carpenter who traveled more than 150 miles to register in Lucknow. On a recent damp, cold morning, he tells NPR it's his third day waiting in line. "I have two kids, a wife and a father to look after," he says.


He is still at the back, with hundreds in front of him. The sheer number of job seekers over the previous two days means by the time he gets close to the registration desk, officials will call it a day, he says.


Kumar has spent nights at a cousin's home nearby. He says others are sleeping on nearby pavements, on the platform of the nearby railway station and even in an abandoned lot between buildings.




An Indian man holds up a registration form to work in Israel. He was recently at a registration office in the northern Indian city of Lucknow after two Indian states, Haryana and Uttar Pradesh, recently announced they were seeking to recruit 10,000 skilled laborers each to Israel.
Diaa Hadid/NPR

Nearby, Bahadur Singh is also applying to work in Israel, even though he's nervous. "We've heard there are lots of bombs and missiles being thrown around," he says.


"Then don't apply if you're so worried!" snaps an eavesdropping fellow candidate.


But the promise of better compensation is too strong a draw.


"I want to give my children a better life than me," Singh says.


India's foreign ministry has not said whether the men will be sent to areas close to conflict zones, but a spokesperson noted that Israel generally has robust worker protections.


Singh says he was motivated to apply because this recruitment drive comes out of a deal between the Indian and Israeli governments, and a government-to-government deal meant he wasn't risking being fleeced by employment agents — that happened to him a few years ago. "Fraud, sir, fraud," he says, shaking his head.


He says he paid an agent his life savings, $600, on the promise of a job abroad. Then the agent disappeared. It's a common story for Indians seeking work abroad.


Israel and India inked the deal to send Indian workers last May. It was seen as a way of regulating labor between the two countries, which has been growing over the years. Indian skilled laborers and care workers in particular seek employment in Israel because of its relatively high wages. But Israel remains a small market for expatriate Indian labor compared with the Gulf region, for instance, where an estimated 9 million Indians work.


The rush for wide-scale recruitment to Israel began in earnest after the conflict erupted between Israel and Hamas.


Indian trade unions see the current recruitment as an effort to replace Palestinians who have lost their livelihoods following the outbreak of war.


"Nothing could be more immoral and disastrous," said a statement in November by 10 unions, mostly representing construction workers. "Such a step will amount to complicity on India's part with Israel's ongoing genocidal war against Palestinians."


Members of the Congress party, the chief opposition to the Hindu nationalist ruling party, also criticized the decision to allow Indian workers to be sent to Israel.


"What are we essentially saying by doing this?" asked Praveen Chakravarty, a political economist affiliated with the Congress party. "We are essentially saying, don't worry. Even if you attack Palestinians and you do not have Palestinian labor, we will supplement that. That is direct intervention."


A government official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media on this subject told NPR that the recruitment drive was "never intended to replace Palestinian workers in any sector."


But he acknowledged the rushed recruitment drive could be related to the current conflict. "It is possible that some fresh recruitment is being done due to reasons completely internal to Israel," he said.


Navtej Sarna, a former Indian ambassador to Israel, says the deal demonstrates the strength of the India-Israel relationship. "It shows the two governments are comfortable working with each other, and this is something which has built up over the last 30 years," he says.


Before that, India was a prominent ally of Palestinians. It established full diplomatic relations with Israel only in 1992.

 

[Old School]

Two observations:
1. Indians will continue to supply the world's labor workforce. Not exactly what a competitor to China (at least in eyes of US) should be doing.

2. GCC (mostly UAE, Saudi Arabia) continue to be spineless. They can't help Gazans, but given 9M indians work in GCC countries, you would think they would have the backbone to state a policy position

https://www.npr.org/2024/02/17/1229525320/india-israel-hamas-war-jobs-migrant-workers

With Palestinian laborers shut out of Israel, Indian workers line up for jobs there​

February 17, 20245:01 AM ET


Indian men line up at a registration office set up in a technical college in the northern Indian city of Lucknow, where they hope to sign up to work in Israel.
Diaa Hadid/NPR

LUCKNOW, India — A devotional song blares from a Hindu temple as dozens of men cram in line for the chance to register for work in Israel. But mostly what the men hear are orders. An official directs them to a warehouse-style waiting room if they haven't already signed up. As the men jostle to get to the head of the line, a security guard orders them to sit down on the ground. "Do it like gentlemen," the guard orders. "No need for mischief!"


This unruly line outside a vocational training center in the northern Indian city of Lucknow is more than 2,700 miles away from Gaza — and it spotlights the many ways the war between Israel and Hamas is affecting life around the world.

Middle East crisis — explained​

Thai farmhands in Israel face a grim choice: work in a war zone or go home to poverty​

Israel suspended the work permits of most Palestinian laborers after Hamas-backed militants attacked Israel on Oct. 7, killing more than 1,200 people and taking 240 hostages, according to Israeli authorities. That triggered the latest war between Israel and Hamas in Gaza, where more than 27,000 Palestinians have been killed since Oct. 7, according to Gaza health officials.


Palestinian laborers formed the backbone of Israel's construction sector. After the work permit suspensions, most building sites lie idle.


"We don't bring in Arabs from Judea and Samaria because it is a security risk," said Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich, using a biblical term to describe the Israeli-occupied West Bank. This is what prompted Israel to look for "alternatives," he said during a Feb. 4 news conference.


India appears to be one of those alternatives.


Haim Feiglin, the deputy president of the Israel Builders Association, told Voice of America soon after the war began that the association was hoping to bring in anywhere from 50,000 to 100,000 workers from India. "Right now we are negotiating with India. We are waiting for [the] decision of the Israeli government to approve that," he said in an interview on Nov. 1.


Barely two months later, the northern Indian states of Haryana and Uttar Pradesh each advertised 10,000 jobs for skilled laborers in Israel. According to an advertisement issued by the Haryana state government, the Israeli recruiters seek carpenters, blacksmiths, tilers and plasterers.


Those selected after on-spot interviews and skill tests will receive a monthly wage of more than $1,600, more than five or six times what they would receive for the same work in India.


Among the men hopeful for jobs in Israel is Ram Kumar, a 36-year-old carpenter who traveled more than 150 miles to register in Lucknow. On a recent damp, cold morning, he tells NPR it's his third day waiting in line. "I have two kids, a wife and a father to look after," he says.


He is still at the back, with hundreds in front of him. The sheer number of job seekers over the previous two days means by the time he gets close to the registration desk, officials will call it a day, he says.


Kumar has spent nights at a cousin's home nearby. He says others are sleeping on nearby pavements, on the platform of the nearby railway station and even in an abandoned lot between buildings.




An Indian man holds up a registration form to work in Israel. He was recently at a registration office in the northern Indian city of Lucknow after two Indian states, Haryana and Uttar Pradesh, recently announced they were seeking to recruit 10,000 skilled laborers each to Israel.
Diaa Hadid/NPR

Nearby, Bahadur Singh is also applying to work in Israel, even though he's nervous. "We've heard there are lots of bombs and missiles being thrown around," he says.


"Then don't apply if you're so worried!" snaps an eavesdropping fellow candidate.


But the promise of better compensation is too strong a draw.


"I want to give my children a better life than me," Singh says.


India's foreign ministry has not said whether the men will be sent to areas close to conflict zones, but a spokesperson noted that Israel generally has robust worker protections.


Singh says he was motivated to apply because this recruitment drive comes out of a deal between the Indian and Israeli governments, and a government-to-government deal meant he wasn't risking being fleeced by employment agents — that happened to him a few years ago. "Fraud, sir, fraud," he says, shaking his head.


He says he paid an agent his life savings, $600, on the promise of a job abroad. Then the agent disappeared. It's a common story for Indians seeking work abroad.


Israel and India inked the deal to send Indian workers last May. It was seen as a way of regulating labor between the two countries, which has been growing over the years. Indian skilled laborers and care workers in particular seek employment in Israel because of its relatively high wages. But Israel remains a small market for expatriate Indian labor compared with the Gulf region, for instance, where an estimated 9 million Indians work.


The rush for wide-scale recruitment to Israel began in earnest after the conflict erupted between Israel and Hamas.


Indian trade unions see the current recruitment as an effort to replace Palestinians who have lost their livelihoods following the outbreak of war.


"Nothing could be more immoral and disastrous," said a statement in November by 10 unions, mostly representing construction workers. "Such a step will amount to complicity on India's part with Israel's ongoing genocidal war against Palestinians."


Members of the Congress party, the chief opposition to the Hindu nationalist ruling party, also criticized the decision to allow Indian workers to be sent to Israel.


"What are we essentially saying by doing this?" asked Praveen Chakravarty, a political economist affiliated with the Congress party. "We are essentially saying, don't worry. Even if you attack Palestinians and you do not have Palestinian labor, we will supplement that. That is direct intervention."


A government official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media on this subject told NPR that the recruitment drive was "never intended to replace Palestinian workers in any sector."


But he acknowledged the rushed recruitment drive could be related to the current conflict. "It is possible that some fresh recruitment is being done due to reasons completely internal to Israel," he said.


Navtej Sarna, a former Indian ambassador to Israel, says the deal demonstrates the strength of the India-Israel relationship. "It shows the two governments are comfortable working with each other, and this is something which has built up over the last 30 years," he says.


Before that, India was a prominent ally of Palestinians. It established full diplomatic relations with Israel only in 1992.

The jobseekers of all the significant labor supplier countries of the GCC would line up for work in Israel, given they have full diplomatic relations with Israel. The sub-continent has the most significant migrant labor pool in the world. People with low education, low income, and unemployment also suffer from low morals and do not have much ideological appetite. For most people in the subcontinent, paying bills for the family gets the highest priority over anything else, even if that means working in danger zones or taking dangerous routes to migrate. Socio-economic class plays the defining factor of whether a sub-continental person is ideologically inclined and how much inclined. The higher the social stature, ideological inclinations gets higher in proportion.

 

[Lulldapull]

Two observations:
1. Indians will continue to supply the world's labor workforce. Not exactly what a competitor to China (at least in eyes of US) should be doing.

2. GCC (mostly UAE, Saudi Arabia) continue to be spineless. They can't help Gazans, but given 9M indians work in GCC countries, you would think they would have the backbone to state a policy position

https://www.npr.org/2024/02/17/1229525320/india-israel-hamas-war-jobs-migrant-workers

With Palestinian laborers shut out of Israel, Indian workers line up for jobs there​

February 17, 20245:01 AM ET


Indian men line up at a registration office set up in a technical college in the northern Indian city of Lucknow, where they hope to sign up to work in Israel.
Diaa Hadid/NPR

LUCKNOW, India — A devotional song blares from a Hindu temple as dozens of men cram in line for the chance to register for work in Israel. But mostly what the men hear are orders. An official directs them to a warehouse-style waiting room if they haven't already signed up. As the men jostle to get to the head of the line, a security guard orders them to sit down on the ground. "Do it like gentlemen," the guard orders. "No need for mischief!"


This unruly line outside a vocational training center in the northern Indian city of Lucknow is more than 2,700 miles away from Gaza — and it spotlights the many ways the war between Israel and Hamas is affecting life around the world.

Middle East crisis — explained​

Thai farmhands in Israel face a grim choice: work in a war zone or go home to poverty​

Israel suspended the work permits of most Palestinian laborers after Hamas-backed militants attacked Israel on Oct. 7, killing more than 1,200 people and taking 240 hostages, according to Israeli authorities. That triggered the latest war between Israel and Hamas in Gaza, where more than 27,000 Palestinians have been killed since Oct. 7, according to Gaza health officials.


Palestinian laborers formed the backbone of Israel's construction sector. After the work permit suspensions, most building sites lie idle.


"We don't bring in Arabs from Judea and Samaria because it is a security risk," said Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich, using a biblical term to describe the Israeli-occupied West Bank. This is what prompted Israel to look for "alternatives," he said during a Feb. 4 news conference.


India appears to be one of those alternatives.


Haim Feiglin, the deputy president of the Israel Builders Association, told Voice of America soon after the war began that the association was hoping to bring in anywhere from 50,000 to 100,000 workers from India. "Right now we are negotiating with India. We are waiting for [the] decision of the Israeli government to approve that," he said in an interview on Nov. 1.


Barely two months later, the northern Indian states of Haryana and Uttar Pradesh each advertised 10,000 jobs for skilled laborers in Israel. According to an advertisement issued by the Haryana state government, the Israeli recruiters seek carpenters, blacksmiths, tilers and plasterers.


Those selected after on-spot interviews and skill tests will receive a monthly wage of more than $1,600, more than five or six times what they would receive for the same work in India.


Among the men hopeful for jobs in Israel is Ram Kumar, a 36-year-old carpenter who traveled more than 150 miles to register in Lucknow. On a recent damp, cold morning, he tells NPR it's his third day waiting in line. "I have two kids, a wife and a father to look after," he says.


He is still at the back, with hundreds in front of him. The sheer number of job seekers over the previous two days means by the time he gets close to the registration desk, officials will call it a day, he says.


Kumar has spent nights at a cousin's home nearby. He says others are sleeping on nearby pavements, on the platform of the nearby railway station and even in an abandoned lot between buildings.




An Indian man holds up a registration form to work in Israel. He was recently at a registration office in the northern Indian city of Lucknow after two Indian states, Haryana and Uttar Pradesh, recently announced they were seeking to recruit 10,000 skilled laborers each to Israel.
Diaa Hadid/NPR

Nearby, Bahadur Singh is also applying to work in Israel, even though he's nervous. "We've heard there are lots of bombs and missiles being thrown around," he says.


"Then don't apply if you're so worried!" snaps an eavesdropping fellow candidate.


But the promise of better compensation is too strong a draw.


"I want to give my children a better life than me," Singh says.


India's foreign ministry has not said whether the men will be sent to areas close to conflict zones, but a spokesperson noted that Israel generally has robust worker protections.


Singh says he was motivated to apply because this recruitment drive comes out of a deal between the Indian and Israeli governments, and a government-to-government deal meant he wasn't risking being fleeced by employment agents — that happened to him a few years ago. "Fraud, sir, fraud," he says, shaking his head.


He says he paid an agent his life savings, $600, on the promise of a job abroad. Then the agent disappeared. It's a common story for Indians seeking work abroad.


Israel and India inked the deal to send Indian workers last May. It was seen as a way of regulating labor between the two countries, which has been growing over the years. Indian skilled laborers and care workers in particular seek employment in Israel because of its relatively high wages. But Israel remains a small market for expatriate Indian labor compared with the Gulf region, for instance, where an estimated 9 million Indians work.


The rush for wide-scale recruitment to Israel began in earnest after the conflict erupted between Israel and Hamas.


Indian trade unions see the current recruitment as an effort to replace Palestinians who have lost their livelihoods following the outbreak of war.


"Nothing could be more immoral and disastrous," said a statement in November by 10 unions, mostly representing construction workers. "Such a step will amount to complicity on India's part with Israel's ongoing genocidal war against Palestinians."


Members of the Congress party, the chief opposition to the Hindu nationalist ruling party, also criticized the decision to allow Indian workers to be sent to Israel.


"What are we essentially saying by doing this?" asked Praveen Chakravarty, a political economist affiliated with the Congress party. "We are essentially saying, don't worry. Even if you attack Palestinians and you do not have Palestinian labor, we will supplement that. That is direct intervention."


A government official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media on this subject told NPR that the recruitment drive was "never intended to replace Palestinian workers in any sector."


But he acknowledged the rushed recruitment drive could be related to the current conflict. "It is possible that some fresh recruitment is being done due to reasons completely internal to Israel," he said.


Navtej Sarna, a former Indian ambassador to Israel, says the deal demonstrates the strength of the India-Israel relationship. "It shows the two governments are comfortable working with each other, and this is something which has built up over the last 30 years," he says.


Before that, India was a prominent ally of Palestinians. It established full diplomatic relations with Israel only in 1992.

yaar my friends in Toronto tell me that there are so many Indians now in the city that when you go to the mall, you feel like you are in Delhi or Bombay. Log parshaan ho gaey hain seeing this situation. You'd have a 1000 Indians at any given mall vs 10 Pakistani's. It is like that.

 

[TheNewb77]

yaar my friends in Toronto tell me that there are so many Indians now in the city that when you go to the mall, you feel like you are in Delhi or Bombay. Log parshaan ho gaey hain seeing this situation. You'd have a 1000 Indians at any given mall vs 10 Pakistani's. It is like that.

Mostly Sikhs. Around 75% of Canadian-Indians are Sikhs and most support Khalistan and dislike Hindutva controlled India.

 

[Lulldapull]

Mostly Sikhs. Around 75% of Canadian-Indians are Sikhs and most support Khalistan and dislike Hindutva controlled India.

Yaar mager kitnay ho gaey hain there's like millions of dem now over there, banda ghabra jande hae looking at so many indians out in Canada. I've seen pics he posts on FB it looks like India or Dubai you know. I'm surprised Canadian gubment don't stop their immigration. Our population is nothing in front of theirs in Canada.

 

[Old School]

Yaar mager kitnay ho gaey hain there's like millions of dem now over there, banda ghabra jande hae looking at so many indians out in Canada. I've seen pics he posts on FB it looks like India or Dubai you know. I'm surprised Canadian gubment don't stop their immigration. Our population is nothing in front of theirs in Canada.

Unless we have Caucasian/ Middle Eastern-like color and face, as many of us do, most American-Canadians assume us to be Indian. The voice/tone is especially difficult to hide. There was a time when we Pakistanis used to be clean-shaven ( still I am). Many of our young folks now look like Indian soap actors with beards. Just have a look at any random new wedding photo.

 

[Lulldapull]

Unless we have Caucasian/ Middle Eastern-like color and face, as many of us do, most American-Canadians assume us to be Indian. The voice/tone is especially difficult to hide. There was a time when we Pakistanis used to be clean-shaven ( still I am). Many of our young folks now look like Indian soap actors with beards. Just have a look at any random new wedding photo.

Hamaray log aattay main namak k brabar hain gay in front of these Indian hordes now running helter skelter around in both the US and Canada. The facts are there’s like a thousand hindu/sikh/gujju to our ten people everywhere. We are totally outnumbered! Jitthay vekho Indian kharra honda ae.