[🇵🇰] Jinnah And Urdu-Bengali Controversy: A Historical Fallacy

[Lulldapull]

Don't ever apologize on my behalf. We did nothing to them. If building their infrastructure and giving their students access to our institutions counts as "oppression" they should have refused this.

Instead not only did they make use of what we did for them, but they thanked us by attacking our people. Raping women, killing elderly, raping even our soldiers and shooting at them unprovoked.

Then when operation searchlight was launched to root out these muhkti Bahini terrorists, they cry victim-hood. Luckily the truth is coming out now.

If you wish to ask them for an apology for us, i'm great with that.

You know, there’s some truth in what you say. I’ve talked to some of our folks who ran for their lives escaping to Myanmar…..they say what you say…..k bhai hum nay jo kara we did as a response to only what was being done to us. They slaughtered our people first, long before search light operation…..no shitt, yous right about dat…..but don’t ignore the fact dat dey won dat election hands down, and we denied dem their right. Sometimes I wonder who makes our policy for us?

 

[ThunderCat]

You know, there’s some truth in what you say. I’ve talked to some of our folks who ran for their lives escaping to Myanmar…..they say what you say…..k bhai hum nay jo kara we did as a response to only what was being done to us. They slaughtered our people first, long before search light operation…..no shitt, yous right about dat…..but don’t ignore the fact dat dey won dat election hands down, and we denied dem their right. Sometimes I wonder who makes our policy for us?

Not "some truth", it is the truth. There are books written about this, including from ethnic Bengalis how the Bangladeshi genocide is a sham. It was in fact Bengalis who started attacking and killing West Pakistanis.

Operation Searchlight was a reaction. West Pakistanis built their infrastructure and allowed many of them to study in West Pakistan. It was them who were imposing their demands on West Pakistan.

Watch this documentary Separation of East Pakistan: The Untold Story (2021)

 

[Deleted due to Error (Muji Iqbal)]

I still believe that the 1971 debacle was our fault. Or Pakistan's fault.

 

[Deleted due to Error (Muji Iqbal)]

But to say Bangladesh is a better country than Pakistan, is a bit stupid.

 

[Old School]

But to say Bangladesh is a better country than Pakistan, is a bit stupid.

I was posted to Bengal twice in my long career and met thousands of them in Pakistan and overseas. In Pakistan, an uneducated person freely admits that he/she is as uneducated as you know. In Bengal, ignorant people are brainwashed to believe that they are educated and act like such. That is a big difference in attitude. I find those Bengalis living in Pakistan to be more positive than those in Bengal.

 

[ThunderCat]

I was posted to Bengal twice in my long career and met thousands of them in Pakistan and overseas. In Pakistan, an uneducated person freely admits that he/she is as uneducated as you know. In Bengal, ignorant people are brainwashed to believe that they are educated and act like such. That is a big difference in attitude. I find those Bengalis living in Pakistan to be more positive than those in Bengal.

I am not surprised, seeing all the Bangla trolls that infested the previous PDF forum, mostly to seek validation from Pakistanis. One of them even claimed Bengal was the most technologically advanced place on Earth before the British came and looted or something of that sort.

I notice whenever comparing themselves to Pakistan, these Bharati and Bangla trolls suddenly turn into economist wannabes and post a bunch of nonsensical numbers to confuse people.

Whenever Pakistanis refused to give them validation, they'd start trolling and insulting Pakistanis. Most of them would not respond to my arguments and only repeat themselves.

I am hoping for this forum to adopt policies against this type of trolling. No Pakistani forum should never have to become a therapy hub for frustrated Banglas or Bahratis or anyone else trying to cope with the reality of their countries.

I know a Pakistani young woman who was a tenant in my house who worked as a flight attendant on Saudia airlines. She had several layovers. She told me Bangladesh was the dirtiest and most uncivilized country she ever went to.

The one country she loathes. She had a strong dislike for Bangladeshis as well. Her Bangladeshi colleagues were very rude to her and she found the locals at her Dhaka layover very uncivilized.

 

[Old School]

I am not surprised, seeing all the Bangla trolls that infested the previous PDF forum, mostly to seek validation from Pakistanis. One of them even claimed Bengal was the most technologically advanced place on Earth before the British came and looted or something of that sort.

I notice whenever comparing themselves to Pakistan, these Bharati and Bangla trolls suddenly turn into economist wannabes and post a bunch of nonsensical numbers to confuse people.

Whenever Pakistanis refused to give them validation, they'd start trolling and insulting Pakistanis. Most of them would not respond to my arguments and only repeat themselves.

I am hoping for this forum to adopt policies against this type of trolling. No Pakistani forum should never have to become a therapy hub for frustrated Banglas or Bahratis or anyone else trying to cope with the reality of their countries.

You know, the old PDF owner(s) was only interested in jacking up the web traffic to get a higher market valuation, and it did reach a very high valuation for such a forum at some stage. So, they welcomed high toxicity, especially from the Indians, and even never hesitated to delete pro-Pakistani posts en masse to appease them. There are also some serious issues which I can not say here in public.

 

[Deleted due to Error (Muji Iqbal)]

You know, the old PDF owner(s) was only interested in jacking up the web traffic to get a higher market valuation, and it did reach a very high valuation for such a forum at some stage. So, they welcomed high toxicity, especially from the Indians, and even never hesitated to delete pro-Pakistani posts en masse to appease them. There are also some serious issues which I can not say here in public.

Pakistan is a much better country than Bangladesh. lol.

 

[Lulldapull]

My high school friend Taimur’s dad was an SSG platoon leader deployed to Chittagong in 1971 war. Man……some of the stories he told me were out of this world! How they fought off thousands of insurgents attacking their small company. Totally cut off from resupply or rations…..They killed hundreds of them with their bare hands. Strict order to conserve ammo. Khanay peenay ko kakkh nahi. The insurgency started many months before the war did. You guys got no idea what they had to do to survive and escape! They got out of the base after the fall of Dhaka…..made their way down to Burma. Trudged thru dense mangrove jungles at night so they couldn’t be spotted. Commandeered a boat and fled to Burma. Surrender was never an option, not for an SSG man. It was like a WW2 movie what he told us off n on. My God. PIA evacuated them from Rangoon after a few months from the Pakistan embassy over there. Had they been discovered during their escape they’d a gotten lynched in a heartbeat. Our SSG is good. They train their men well for survival and combat.

 

[Vikings]

Please read how Bengalis see the language movement. it doesn’t matter how you see it. It matters how mainstream Bengalis see it now :

Language movement and emergence of Bangladesh

Language Movement began in 1948 and reached its climax in the killing of 21 February 1952 leading to establishment of Bangladesh in 1971. Ekushey February or Language Movement Day or...

slguardian.org

Contribution of Language Movement to Independence of Bangladesh (daily-sun.com)
Language Movement precursor to the Liberation War - The Business Post (businesspostbd.com)
Language Movement (1952).pdf (daffodilvarsity.edu.bd)
The Language Movement and independence - Bangladesh Post
The language movement that led to freedom (getbengal.com)
The Great Language Movement Of Bangladesh: Some Reflections| Countercurrents
Language and freedom (newagebd.net)

"And the movement increasingly assumed a liberationist, emancipatory character, at least cutting the first turf for our national liberation movement of 1971—fundamentally a people's war against Pakistani neocolonialism—driven as it was by its three distinctly pronounced principles: equality, justice, and human dignity. But the very anticolonial ethos of our Language Movement was also evident right from the beginning, as the movement confronted and combatted what I wish to call linguistic colonialism." Our Language Movement: Moments, Momentum, Milieu | The Daily Star

And there are millions of pieces of evidence if you look.

@Old School bhai , thanks for the post! I will read all your source slowly ! Currently kinda busy with my life , so really hard to concentrate!

 

[Deleted due to Error (Muji Iqbal)]

Look Bangladesh got their independence. Who cares now?

 

[Deleted due to Error (Muji Iqbal)]

I want da 4 million bungali/ rohingya outta Karachi!......Bungali don't even talk to us here overseas and bring up 1971 wid us all da time! In saaron nu deport karnay da waqat aya ae!.....Just push them into India........We got about 30-40 million illegals in our country. Half of Karachi full of illegal migrants, funneled into our country by our corrupt/ harami Sindh gubment. Just like what is going on in da US, UK, Kannayda, Australia and NZ today.......

We could use their human resources in the construction, labour, and military purposes.

 

[Lulldapull]

We could use their human resources in the construction, labour, and military purposes.

oh bhai ye kuchh nahi karday.......they live in their ghetto's, do their own dramay......we can't mix wid dem cuz of racial/ cultural issues no?.......Yous know right?......our society very segregated along racial/ cultural/ educational/ westernization lines.

 

[Deleted due to Error (Muji Iqbal)]

oh bhai ye kuchh nahi karday.......they live in their ghetto's, do their own dramay......we can't mix wid dem cuz of racial/ cultural issues no?.......Yous know right?......our society very segregated along racial/ cultural/ educational/ westernization lines.

Even if they are lazy good for nothing. We can use their human resources for labour and construction.

 

[Deleted due to Error (Muji Iqbal)]

They don't even allow our people even visa to go do business in their country, cuz theys under indian influence no? Saanu utthay jana block hae ga for business/ regular tourist/ migration no? but 30 million muzlim bungali in India as refugee and 4 million in Karachi no? Subhaanallah!

I see your point. However a large population drives the economy. Even scholar Mawdudi recognized this fact in Economics.

 

[Deleted due to Error (Muji Iqbal)]

In Economics you need a large amount of land, capital/money, and human resources.

 

[Old School]

I am sure there are illegals here. I myself saw what appeared to be a poor Bangla man trying to sell us stuff.

It makes poor patriotic Bangladeshis look pathetic. But 40 million foreigners seems like an exaggeration.

Bengalis here are around 3 million. As far as I know, the federal government's political discourse on the Bengalis differs significantly from that of other immigrants. They might be granted citizenship at a certain stage. Here is an excerpt that also reflects the mainstream political view on Bengali immigrants in Pakistan :

"If seen from a historical and ideological point of view, the government cannot equate Bengalis living in Pakistan with Afghans, Iranians or Indians because they were Pakistanis till 1971 and their contribution to the Pakistan Movement cannot be denied. It is suggested that, instead of harassing the Bengali population and putting them at the mercy of the special branch of police or the home department for the issuance of alien registration cards or citizenship certificates, they should be properly treated (Ahmar, Moonis 2002, ‘Are Bengalis aliens in Pakistan?’ http://www.dawn.com/2002/11/19/letted.htm. "

 

[ThunderCat]

Bengalis here are around 3 million. As far as I know, the federal government's political discourse on the Bengalis differs significantly from that of other immigrants. They might be granted citizenship at a certain stage. Here is an excerpt that also reflects the mainstream political view on Bengali immigrants in Pakistan :

"If seen from a historical and ideological point of view, the government cannot equate Bengalis living in Pakistan with Afghans, Iranians or Indians because they were Pakistanis till 1971 and their contribution to the Pakistan Movement cannot be denied. It is suggested that, instead of harassing the Bengali population and putting them at the mercy of the special branch of police or the home department for the issuance of alien registration cards or citizenship certificates, they should be properly treated (Ahmar, Moonis 2002, ‘Are Bengalis aliens in Pakistan?’ http://www.dawn.com/2002/11/19/letted.htm. "

Even those who immigrated before 1971 can be seen as illegals if they were registered as East Pakistanis.

 

[Old School]

Even those who immigrated before 1971 can be seen as illegals if they were registered as East Pakistanis.

Before 1971, they were officially considered Pakistani, and they are still. They did not need anything like the muhajir, who, even from India, was still officially an enemy state at that time. There was no registration policy or regime in those days, as you see now. The issue before 1971 is legally settled. Now, the remaining issue is post-1971. Think about those who claim to have come from Indian Punjab but look more like Gujratis.

 

[Old School]

This thread is closed now due to unrelated discussions going too far.