[🇵🇰] Jinnah And Urdu-Bengali Controversy: A Historical Fallacy

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True but Muhajirs adopted it from the Ghaznavids, whom in turn developed it in the Punjab.

Everyone in Pakistan speaks Urdu.

 

[Lulldapull]

I wrote about such neo-liberals on the previous forum. Plenty of them are on PDF trolling away spreading urban myths.

Sir G.......ager hamaray mulk ko kissy nay torra......then the wrath of our nation be upon them. Utthay India baettha si.....ready to revert our ghareeb awaam en masse.

 

[Lulldapull]

I’ve talked to bungali people and they hold a strong grudge against us and I try to calm them down and say that look it was not our people who did this but our stupid jharrnails under a CIA spell who did all the bad things. All our people were appalled at what our jharrnail did in east Pakistan and we are ashamed of it today. They know the truth but now it’s too late to make apologies.

 

[ThunderCat]

I’ve talked to bungali people and they hold a strong grudge against us and I try to calm them down and say that look it was not our people who did this but our stupid jharrnails under a CIA spell who did all the bad things. All our people were appalled at what our jharrnail did in east Pakistan and we are ashamed of it today. They know the truth but now it’s too late to make apologies.

Don't ever apologize on my behalf. We did nothing to them. If building their infrastructure and giving their students access to our institutions counts as "oppression" they should have refused this.

Instead not only did they make use of what we did for them, but they thanked us by attacking our people. Raping women, killing elderly, raping even our soldiers and shooting at them unprovoked.

Then when Operation Searchlight was launched to root out these muhkti Bahini terrorists, they cry victim-hood. Luckily the truth is coming out now.

If you wish to ask them for an apology for us, i'm great with that.

 

[ThunderCat]

It is the Bengalis and our liberals who claim that the Urdu/Bengali controversy was also part of that 'mistreatment.' They overlook that Bengali was awarded as the co-state language with Urdu in 1956.

These are also the same neo-liberals propagating Bangladesh being a "better country" than Pakistan without providing a single shred of evidence.

Here in Karachi where i'm currently at, I was followed by a poor Bengali man selling me stuff. Bengalis live illegally in Pakistan while no Pakistani or any foreigner would dream living in that : Why Is Bangladesh So Dirty? (11 Reasons Why)

 

[Lulldapull]

Don't ever apologize on my behalf. We did nothing to them. If building their infrastructure and giving their students access to our institutions counts as "oppression" they should have refused this.

Instead not only did they make use of what we did for them, but they thanked us by attacking our people. Raping women, killing elderly, raping even our soldiers and shooting at them unprovoked.

Then when operation searchlight was launched to root out these muhkti Bahini terrorists, they cry victim-hood. Luckily the truth is coming out now.

If you wish to ask them for an apology for us, i'm great with that.

You know, there’s some truth in what you say. I’ve talked to some of our folks who ran for their lives escaping to Myanmar…..they say what you say…..k bhai hum nay jo kara we did as a response to only what was being done to us. They slaughtered our people first, long before search light operation…..no shitt, yous right about dat…..but don’t ignore the fact dat dey won dat election hands down, and we denied dem their right. Sometimes I wonder who makes our policy for us?

 

[ThunderCat]

You know, there’s some truth in what you say. I’ve talked to some of our folks who ran for their lives escaping to Myanmar…..they say what you say…..k bhai hum nay jo kara we did as a response to only what was being done to us. They slaughtered our people first, long before search light operation…..no shitt, yous right about dat…..but don’t ignore the fact dat dey won dat election hands down, and we denied dem their right. Sometimes I wonder who makes our policy for us?

Not "some truth", it is the truth. There are books written about this, including from ethnic Bengalis how the Bangladeshi genocide is a sham. It was in fact Bengalis who started attacking and killing West Pakistanis.

Operation Searchlight was a reaction. West Pakistanis built their infrastructure and allowed many of them to study in West Pakistan. It was them who were imposing their demands on West Pakistan.

Watch this documentary Separation of East Pakistan: The Untold Story (2021)

 

[Deleted due to Error (Muji Iqbal)]

I still believe that the 1971 debacle was our fault. Or Pakistan's fault.

 

[Deleted due to Error (Muji Iqbal)]

But to say Bangladesh is a better country than Pakistan, is a bit stupid.

 

[Old School]

But to say Bangladesh is a better country than Pakistan, is a bit stupid.

I was posted to Bengal twice in my long career and met thousands of them in Pakistan and overseas. In Pakistan, an uneducated person freely admits that he/she is as uneducated as you know. In Bengal, ignorant people are brainwashed to believe that they are educated and act like such. That is a big difference in attitude. I find those Bengalis living in Pakistan to be more positive than those in Bengal.

 

[ThunderCat]

I was posted to Bengal twice in my long career and met thousands of them in Pakistan and overseas. In Pakistan, an uneducated person freely admits that he/she is as uneducated as you know. In Bengal, ignorant people are brainwashed to believe that they are educated and act like such. That is a big difference in attitude. I find those Bengalis living in Pakistan to be more positive than those in Bengal.

I am not surprised, seeing all the Bangla trolls that infested the previous PDF forum, mostly to seek validation from Pakistanis. One of them even claimed Bengal was the most technologically advanced place on Earth before the British came and looted or something of that sort.

I notice whenever comparing themselves to Pakistan, these Bharati and Bangla trolls suddenly turn into economist wannabes and post a bunch of nonsensical numbers to confuse people.

Whenever Pakistanis refused to give them validation, they'd start trolling and insulting Pakistanis. Most of them would not respond to my arguments and only repeat themselves.

I am hoping for this forum to adopt policies against this type of trolling. No Pakistani forum should never have to become a therapy hub for frustrated Banglas or Bahratis or anyone else trying to cope with the reality of their countries.

I know a Pakistani young woman who was a tenant in my house who worked as a flight attendant on Saudia airlines. She had several layovers. She told me Bangladesh was the dirtiest and most uncivilized country she ever went to.

The one country she loathes. She had a strong dislike for Bangladeshis as well. Her Bangladeshi colleagues were very rude to her and she found the locals at her Dhaka layover very uncivilized.

 

[Old School]

I am not surprised, seeing all the Bangla trolls that infested the previous PDF forum, mostly to seek validation from Pakistanis. One of them even claimed Bengal was the most technologically advanced place on Earth before the British came and looted or something of that sort.

I notice whenever comparing themselves to Pakistan, these Bharati and Bangla trolls suddenly turn into economist wannabes and post a bunch of nonsensical numbers to confuse people.

Whenever Pakistanis refused to give them validation, they'd start trolling and insulting Pakistanis. Most of them would not respond to my arguments and only repeat themselves.

I am hoping for this forum to adopt policies against this type of trolling. No Pakistani forum should never have to become a therapy hub for frustrated Banglas or Bahratis or anyone else trying to cope with the reality of their countries.

You know, the old PDF owner(s) was only interested in jacking up the web traffic to get a higher market valuation, and it did reach a very high valuation for such a forum at some stage. So, they welcomed high toxicity, especially from the Indians, and even never hesitated to delete pro-Pakistani posts en masse to appease them. There are also some serious issues which I can not say here in public.

 

[Deleted due to Error (Muji Iqbal)]

You know, the old PDF owner(s) was only interested in jacking up the web traffic to get a higher market valuation, and it did reach a very high valuation for such a forum at some stage. So, they welcomed high toxicity, especially from the Indians, and even never hesitated to delete pro-Pakistani posts en masse to appease them. There are also some serious issues which I can not say here in public.

Pakistan is a much better country than Bangladesh. lol.

 

[Lulldapull]

My high school friend Taimur’s dad was an SSG platoon leader deployed to Chittagong in 1971 war. Man……some of the stories he told me were out of this world! How they fought off thousands of insurgents attacking their small company. Totally cut off from resupply or rations…..They killed hundreds of them with their bare hands. Strict order to conserve ammo. Khanay peenay ko kakkh nahi. The insurgency started many months before the war did. You guys got no idea what they had to do to survive and escape! They got out of the base after the fall of Dhaka…..made their way down to Burma. Trudged thru dense mangrove jungles at night so they couldn’t be spotted. Commandeered a boat and fled to Burma. Surrender was never an option, not for an SSG man. It was like a WW2 movie what he told us off n on. My God. PIA evacuated them from Rangoon after a few months from the Pakistan embassy over there. Had they been discovered during their escape they’d a gotten lynched in a heartbeat. Our SSG is good. They train their men well for survival and combat.

 

[Vikings]

Please read how Bengalis see the language movement. it doesn’t matter how you see it. It matters how mainstream Bengalis see it now :

Language movement and emergence of Bangladesh – Sri Lanka Guardian

slguardian.org

Contribution of Language Movement to Independence of Bangladesh (daily-sun.com)
Language Movement precursor to the Liberation War - The Business Post (businesspostbd.com)
Language Movement (1952).pdf (daffodilvarsity.edu.bd)
The Language Movement and independence - Bangladesh Post
The language movement that led to freedom (getbengal.com)
The Great Language Movement Of Bangladesh: Some Reflections| Countercurrents
Language and freedom (newagebd.net)

"And the movement increasingly assumed a liberationist, emancipatory character, at least cutting the first turf for our national liberation movement of 1971—fundamentally a people's war against Pakistani neocolonialism—driven as it was by its three distinctly pronounced principles: equality, justice, and human dignity. But the very anticolonial ethos of our Language Movement was also evident right from the beginning, as the movement confronted and combatted what I wish to call linguistic colonialism." Our Language Movement: Moments, Momentum, Milieu | The Daily Star

And there are millions of pieces of evidence if you look.

@Old School bhai , thanks for the post! I will read all your source slowly ! Currently kinda busy with my life , so really hard to concentrate!