[🇮🇳] No surprise Pakistan sounded for ceasefire’: Air war historian Tom Cooper says conflict 'clear-cut victory' for India

[steppeWolff]

Then you are on you way out. Post your internship in Lahore.

I might, or I might not. There are alot of factors considering my parents are old and I can't just leave them in Pakistan.

Nonetheless, a wrong assumption in thinking that I belong to the elite class in any way. I am from a lower middle class background sir, but Ive been privileged in a sense that I attended some of the best educated establishments in my country, so I have enough experiences of being with the class you have referred to.

 

[Vsdoc]

I might, or I might not. There are alot of factors considering my parents are old and I can't just leave them in Pakistan.

Nonetheless, a wrong assumption in thinking that I belong to the elite class in any way. I am from a lower middle class background sir, but Ive been privileged in a sense that I attended some of the best educated establishments in my country, so I have enough experiences of being with the class you have referred to.

But you did say you have a foreign passport.

So essentially you already have an out.

And are staying back because of your parents.

I've been there.

Parents and family are way more important than lifestyle or riches.

 

[steppeWolff]

I've been there.

Parents and family are way more important than lifestyle or riches.

Indeed doc. Nothing comes first before the family. Indeed.

 

[Suresh Naresh]

@Bagheera0084 remember one thing.

The way Pakistan is going, and over the period of time we have been crossing swords with these guys on this forum (all generations and versions)

The old IDs who are still in Pakistan

And posting freely

Take it in writing

They all are elite

And very close connects to the fauj in some way or the other.

To remain in Pakistan.

And untouched.

That includes our young friend @steppeWolff

Bade baap ka beta hai. 500% guaranteed

Areesh too. Desert Fighter too. Fatman saab too.

@Lulldapull

Jo nahin hain, woh dheere dheere ek ek kar ke hamare aankhon ke saamne bahar nikal chuke hain.

Like my friends Imran Khan and I.R.A

Imran Khan had said that he was not a rich man and when he got married he was under pressure due to financial reason. And then he got a job in a Gulf country and he settled with that job.

@Vsdoc

 

[Vsdoc]

Imran Khan had said that he was not a rich man and when he got married he was under pressure due to financial reason. And then he got a job in a Gulf country and he settled with that job.

@Vsdoc

Yes.

All working class educated Pakistanis leave first chance they get.

It is no coincidence that over 16+ years of defence forums now, the overwhelming majority of Indian IDs are India based, and the overwhelming majority of Pakistani ones are all outside Pakistan.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

Face-saving bid falls flat as Pakistan defence minister admits to damages from Indian airstrikes​

Face-saving bid falls flat as Pakistan defence minister admits to damages from Indian airstrikes© Moneycontrol
Pakistan's defence minister Khawaja Asif, in a recent interview, appeared to inadvertently confirm that the Indian Armed Forces had conducted strikes on at least three Pakistani airbases as part of Operation Sindoor.
The operation was launched on May 7 in the aftermath of the Pahalgam terror attack -- which claimed the lives of 26 civilians -- aimed at dismantling the terror infrastructure across the Line of Control and deeper inside Pakistan.

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The minister listed the Nur Khan airbase near Rawalpindi, Rahimyar Khan airbase in southern Punjab and Bholari airbase near Jamshoro in Sindh as the sites that were attacked by India.
Even as the defence minister said there were “minor losses” and tried to dismiss the damage with humour, the comments effectively confirmed that the strikes launched by India had targeted key Pakistani airbases during the heightened tensions between the two nations.

Earlier, Pakistan's deputy Prime Minister Ishaq Dar had also acknowledged that India targeted their two key airbases - Nur Khan airbase and Shorkot airbase during Operation Sindoor.
Satellite images shared previously of the Indian strikes showed the extent of damage caused to Pakistan airbases including Nur Khan and Rahimyar Khan. The bases hit included Nur Khan (Chaklala), Rafiqui, Murid, Sukkur, Sialkot, Pasrur, Chunian, Sargodha, Skardu, Bholari, and Jacobabad.

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The biggest 'hit' was perhaps at the Nur Khan airbase, previously known as PAF Chaklala, in Rawalpindi, the headquarters of the Pakistan army. “The targets hit by India included technical infrastructure, command and control centers, radar sites, and weapon storage areas,” Colonel Sofiya Qureshi said at a special joint briefing of defence and external affairs ministry.
In the aftermath of Operation Sindoor, Pakistan initiated a series of retaliatory drone and UCAV attacks targeting key Indian airbases and logistics infrastructure. These attempts, however, were effectively neutralised by India’s comprehensive and multilayered air defence architecture, according to an official statement.

Losing the courage to fly​

Pakistan's defence minister Khawaja Asif, in a recent interview, appeared to inadvertently confirm that the Indian Armed Forces had conducted strikes on at least three Pakistani airbases as part of Operation Sindoor.
The operation was launched on May 7 in the aftermath of the Pahalgam terror attack -- which claimed the lives of 26 civilians -- aimed at dismantling the terror infrastructure across the Line of Control and deeper inside Pakistan.

The minister listed the Nur Khan airbase near Rawalpindi, Rahimyar Khan airbase in southern Punjab and Bholari airbase near Jamshoro in Sindh as the sites that were attacked by India.
Even as the defence minister said there were “minor losses” and tried to dismiss the damage with humour, the comments effectively confirmed that the strikes launched by India had targeted key Pakistani airbases during the heightened tensions between the two nations.
Earlier, Pakistan's deputy Prime Minister Ishaq Dar had also acknowledged that India targeted their two key airbases - Nur Khan airbase and Shorkot airbase during Operation Sindoor.
Satellite images shared previously of the Indian strikes showed the extent of damage caused to Pakistan airbases including Nur Khan and Rahimyar Khan. The bases hit included Nur Khan (Chaklala), Rafiqui, Murid, Sukkur, Sialkot, Pasrur, Chunian, Sargodha, Skardu, Bholari, and Jacobabad.

Related video: From Gibraltar to Balakot: India's fierce reply to Pakistan (WION)

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From Gibraltar to Balakot: India's fierce reply to Pakistan

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The biggest 'hit' was perhaps at the Nur Khan airbase, previously known as PAF Chaklala, in Rawalpindi, the headquarters of the Pakistan army. “The targets hit by India included technical infrastructure, command and control centers, radar sites, and weapon storage areas,” Colonel Sofiya Qureshi said at a special joint briefing of defence and external affairs ministry.
In the aftermath of Operation Sindoor, Pakistan initiated a series of retaliatory drone and UCAV attacks targeting key Indian airbases and logistics infrastructure. These attempts, however, were effectively neutralised by India’s comprehensive and multilayered air defence architecture, according to an official statement.

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[Krishna with Flute]

Afterall, it has come out now.

Operation Sindoor a 'live lab' for China to test weapons, aid Pakistan: India’s deputy army chief​

Lieutenant General Rahul R. Singh identified several key concerns and “lessons” that emerged from the May 7-10 military conflict, such as China using its satellites to monitor Indian military deployment, and the need for better air defence systems​

Imran Ahmed Siddiqui Published 05.07.25, 06:42 AM

Debris of what appears to be a Pakistani projectile lies in a field in Amritsar on May 8 in the aftermath of Operation SindoorSourced by the Telegraph

China helped Pakistan with “live inputs” on Indian military deployment and attack trajectories during Operation Sindoor, India’s deputy army chief said on Friday, adding it was “like a live lab” for Beijing, allowing it “to test its weapons against other available weapons”.


Lieutenant General Rahul R. Singh identified several key concerns and “lessons” that emerged from the May 7-10 military conflict, such as China using its satellites to monitor Indian military deployment, and the need for better air defence systems.


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He underscored that India was actually dealing with three adversaries in Pakistan, China and Turkey, whose drones Islamabad had used widely.


“We had one border and two adversaries, actually three. Pakistan was the front face and China was providing all possible support,” Singh said.



“This is no surprise because if you look at statistics, in the last five years, 81 per cent of the military hardware that Pakistan is getting is all Chinese…. China was able to test its weapons against various other weapon systems, so it was like a live lab available to them.”


Singh also referred to Turkey’s role in providing military hardware, including drones, to Islamabad.

Deputy Chief of Army Staff Lt General Rahul R. Singh speaks during a conference-cum-exhibition on 'New Age Military Technologies: Industry Capabilities & Way Forward' organised by FICCI, in New Delhi, Friday, July 4, 2025.PTI
“When DGMO-level talks were going on, Pakistan actually was mentioning that ‘We know that your such and such vector was primed and ready for action, and we would request you to perhaps pull it back’,” Singh said.


“So, he was getting live inputs from China. That is one place we really need to move fast and take appropriate action.”


He added: “The next important lesson is the importance of C4ISR and civil military fusion. There is a lot to be done as far as this domain is concerned.”


“C4ISR” stands for Command, Control, Communications, Computers, Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance.


Air defence


“Air defence and how it panned out during the entire operation was important.… Some of our indigenous systems performed well and some did not perform very well too,” Singh said.


Singh added: “This time, thankfully, our population centres were not quite addressed (were not at risk), but next time we need to be prepared for that, and for that more and more air defence, counter rocket artillery and drones systems have to be prepared, for which we have to move very fast.”


Singh highlighted China’s ancient military strategies of “36 stratagems” and killing the adversary with a “borrowed knife” to stress the point that Beijing had extended all possible support to Pakistan to harm India.


“It (China) would rather use the neighbour to cause pain (to India) than getting involved in a mudslinging match on the northern border,” he said.


‘21’ targets


Singh said India had identified a possible 21 targets, of which nine — all part of Pakistan’s terror infrastructure — were eventually engaged on May 7.


“The strategic messaging by (the Indian government) leadership was unambiguous.… The planning and selection of targets was based on a lot of data that was collected using technology and human intelligence,” he said.


“So, a total of 21 targets were actually identified, out of which nine targets we thought would be prudent to engage.… It was only the final day or the final hour (before the start of Operation Sindoor) that the decision was taken that these nine targets would be engaged.”


He added: “A considered decision was taken that it will be a tri-services approach to send the right message that we indeed are an integrated force.… An important consideration was that we should always be on top of the escalation ladder. When we reach a political military objective, we should try and put a stop to it.…”


Singh defended the cessation of hostilities announced on May 10 against the criticism that India stopped the military operation too early.


“War is easy to initiate but it’s very difficult to control. So I would say that was a very masterly stroke that was played to stop the war at an appropriate time…,” he said.


Singh, who was speaking at an event, “New Age Military Technologies”, organised by business chamber Ficci in Delhi, looks after capability development and budget necessities for the army.


His remarks were the latest in a series of revelations by senior defence officials about the losses and lessons for India during Operation Sindoor.


India’s defence attaché in Indonesia had last week said India had lost “some” combat jets on May 7, the opening day of Operation Sindoor, because of the “constraint given by the political leadership” against striking Pakistani military establishments and air defences.


Chief of Defence Staff Anil Chauhan had earlier said India lost fighter jets on Sindoor’s opening day before swiftly rectifying its tactical mistakes and launching further attacks to “hit deep inside Pakistan” on the subsequent days.


Cong seeks discussion


The Congress asked the government for a parliamentary discussion on India-China relations “so that a consensus can be built for a collective response to the geopolitical and economic challenges that China poses to India, directly and through Pakistan”.


“Lt Gen Singh has revealed some details of the extraordinary ways by which China helped the Pakistan Air Force. This is the same China which completely destroyed the status quo in Ladakh five years ago but to which Prime Minister Modi gave a public clean chit on June 19, 2020,” Congress general secretary Jairam Ramesh said in a post on X.


Four days after the Galwan Valley clash killed 20 Indian soldiers and four Chinese troopers, Modi had said no one was occupying or had occupied Indian territory, allowing Beijing to deny any intrusion and claim ownership of all the territory it held in Ladakh.


“For five years, the INC has been demanding a discussion on the full gamut of India-China relations in the Parliament. The Modi government has consistently refused to have such a debate,” Ramesh said.


“The INC will continue to make this demand in the forthcoming monsoon session of Parliament...”


Ramesh added: “Recently, China organised a trilateral meet with Pakistan and Bangladesh in Kunming. India’s trade deficit with China is at record highs. The border agreement arrived at is not a restoration of the status quo.”

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[Vsdoc]

Class.