[🇮🇳] No surprise Pakistan sounded for ceasefire’: Air war historian Tom Cooper says conflict 'clear-cut victory' for India

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[🇮🇳] No surprise Pakistan sounded for ceasefire’: Air war historian Tom Cooper says conflict 'clear-cut victory' for India
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Yup, the aisa ho hi ni sakta sentiment is particularly is strong.

One isn't compromising their patriotism of love for country any if there is an acknowledgement of yes aisa hua hai hamare saath lol

What I still don't have clarity on is if we lost any jets, if so, how many, which ones ? Har taraf se alag alag cheez log saying, koi keh ra 0 losses, some are saying yes maybe 2 - 3 went down.. dunno who to believe.
Why dont you ask the Pakistanis or any half decent military power on the planet, what they would have preferred?

Jets knocked down.

Or bombing the crap out of the nerve centers of the enemy military.

Ask Russians and Ukranians. Would they take the attack pn the Moskva and the nuclear heavy bombers, or what has been done to Ukraine.
 
Why dont you ask the Pakistanis or any half decent military power on the planet, what they would have preferred?

Jets knocked down.

Or bombing the crap out of the nerve centers of the enemy military.

Ask Russians and Ukranians. Would they take the attack pn the Moskva and the nuclear heavy bombers, or what has been done to Ukraine.
Take the smaller hit of course.

So you're saying we did lose some in the air ? 🤔
 
Why isn't Indian military admitting that some loss happened? If there is no admission, what's the difference between Indian military and Pakistan military?

@Sharma Ji @Vsdoc @Paitoo @Guru Dutt @Lulldapull @Krishna with Flute @Dogun18 @Mrloveday @Cryptonian @Mainerik

I don't know either way.

Did we lose something?

Why are we not admitting?

Again I repeat. This is war. The single focus is to destroy the enemy. If not defeat. To hurt the enemy. To kill the enemy.

Unless we fight from behind a protective shield, we will be hit too.

Look at Russia versus Ukraine. Do you need a better example?

This is the reason military people hate defence forums. Fighting a war is ugly. No one recognises that more than a soldier.

The serving guys you see on the OG forum and now JC, are there doing a job. Not there voluntarily.
 
Haan auntie…..3 decoy drone gira diye aap k hum nay….

Mashallah no?

Pakistan and China never loses any war. The reason being they don't consider their own losses. They will always talk the losses of enemy. Dozens of their aircrafts shot down, 11 of their air bases demolished, their air defence totally destroyed. 9 of their terrorist camp blown to dust, their command center hit, their nuclear storage sites destroyed yet they won the war because they shot down couple of so called enemy planes whose proofs are not with them. They rang in mid night and begged for ceasefire. When their offer was accepted, they declared their own victory. It seems that Pakistanis have learned this art from their 4 ft masters..
 
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Pakistan and China never loses any war. The reason being they don't consider their own losses. They will always talk the losses of enemy. Dozens of their aircrafts shot down, 11 of their air bases demolished, their air defence totally destroyed. 9 of their terrorist camp blown to dust, their command center hit, their nuclear storage sites destroyed yet they won the war because they shot down couple of so called enemy planes whose proofs are not with them. They rang in mid night and begged for ceasefire. When their offer was accepted, they declared their own victory. It seems that Pakistanis have learned thisvart from their 4 ft masters..
But when have Chinese done this? Now I remember. The Doklam standoff in 2017 when they would issue daily warnings for 2 months. The 2020 Galwan clash.

But Pakistanis need not learn this from Chinese. They did this way back in 1965. They were out to take Kashmir but ended up defending Lahore.

@Sharma Ji @Vsdoc @Paitoo @Guru Dutt @Lulldapull @Krishna with Flute @Dogun18 @Mrloveday @Cryptonian @Mainerik @Bilal9
 
But when have Chinese done this? Now I remember. The Doklam standoff in 2017 when they would issue daily warnings for 2 months. The 2020 Galwan clash.

But Pakistanis need not learn this from Chinese. They did this way back in 1965. They were out to take Kashmir but ended up defending Lahore.

@Sharma Ji @Vsdoc @Paitoo @Guru Dutt @Lulldapull @Krishna with Flute @Dogun18 @Mrloveday @Cryptonian @Mainerik @Bilal9

Pakistan is an artificial state that is a forced collection of warring feudal tribes thrown together in a loose administrative and military union.
 
Tajik, Uzbek, Pashto, Hazara.. aren't these the 4 main distinct groups there ?

I know very little, will do some googling on the origins of Afghanistan the mulk.
Its been a state, in the form of an empire, for much of the mediaeval period.

Pakistan is bits and pieces of the cleave planes, carved out by British machination and presence.

75 years, and max 250 before that.
 
Pakistan and China never loses any war. The reason being they don't consider their own losses. They will always talk the losses of enemy. Dozens of their aircrafts shot down, 11 of their air bases demolished, their air defence totally destroyed. 9 of their terrorist camp blown to dust, their command center hit, their nuclear storage sites destroyed yet they won the war because they shot down couple of so called enemy planes whose proofs are not with them. They rang in mid night and begged for ceasefire. When their offer was accepted, they declared their own victory. It seems that Pakistanis have learned thisvart from their 4 ft masters..
A bunch of nonsense. Let's see 2 feet low Indians kneel down and surrender

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But when have Chinese done this? Now I remember. The Doklam standoff in 2017 when they would issue daily warnings for 2 months. The 2020 Galwan clash.

But Pakistanis need not learn this from Chinese. They did this way back in 1965. They were out to take Kashmir but ended up defending Lahore.

@Sharma Ji @Vsdoc @Paitoo @Guru Dutt @Lulldapull @Krishna with Flute @Dogun18 @Mrloveday @Cryptonian @Mainerik @Bilal9
Then the Indians knelt down and surrendered.

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Perhaps Indians must kneel down to understand our human language.
 
It’s become rather apparent now that Pakistan does not have the weaponry nor the will to confront India.

This last conflagration was all the proof we needed.

Pakistan has refrained from retaliation as much as possible because it can’t!

Pakistan does not have neither the economic heft nor the weaponry to retaliate.

Regular people are now beginning to accept and digest this uncomfortable reality.
 
It’s become rather apparent now that Pakistan does not have the weaponry nor the will to confront India.

This last conflagration was all the proof we needed.

Pakistan has refrained from retaliation as much as possible because it can’t!

Pakistan does not have neither the economic heft nor the weaponry to retaliate.

Regular people are now beginning to accept and digest this uncomfortable reality.
Say something new. Even jamahir, PAKISTANFOREVER and I are not so repetitive.

@Sharma Ji @Vsdoc @Paitoo @Guru Dutt @Lulldapull @Krishna with Flute @Dogun18 @Mrloveday @Cryptonian @Mainerik @Bilal9
 
I believe we here are all clear on this tid bit now.

Pakistan has now officially been completely subdued by India.

No point making threads about acquiring J-31 or the HQ-19 acquisitions nor any other nonsense.

Pakistan will not stop till we kill Pakistan's ability to hurt us.

That is why I was livid on the 10th of last month.

But then, a people get the leadership they deserve, and I told myself that I was responsible for it in my own way. Because enough of those like me wete not there to vote out these buzdil sanghis. And reinstall the Congress in power.

So we suffer. And will suffer.

And will make you suffer.

But it will go on.
 
Pakistan will not stop till we kill Pakistan's ability to hurt us.

That is why I was livid on the 10th of last month.

But then, a people get the leadership they deserve, and I told myself that I was responsible for it in my own way. Because enough of those like me wete not there to vote out these buzdil sanghis. And reinstall the Congress in power.

So we suffer. And will suffer.

And will make you suffer.

But it will go on.
and how do you a envision PM "rahul" ka response ?

ekdum strong full congress style, unlike the limp wristed psycho virgin fascist Mozi ?

what would that have looked like ?

Sunao please, as you well know by now, I'm a very half asz beezaypee type, zero sangh in me.

Seduce me, doc, metaphysical wala seduce of course.

So far your pitch has been weak, ki all these bjp type are crass hateful low iq bhaiiyas and cow beltiyas.. therefore sophisticated lutyens waaley la dee dah congress.

very hollow, even more shallow.

proper baat karo, I'm all ears.
 
and how do you a envision PM "rahul" ka response ?

ekdum strong full congress style, unlike the limp wristed psycho virgin fascist Mozi ?

what would that have looked like ?

Sunao please, as you well know by now, I'm a very half asz beezaypee type, zero sangh in me.

Seduce me, doc, metaphysical wala seduce of course.

So far your pitch has been weak, ki all these bjp type are crass hateful low iq bhaiiyas and cow beltiyas.. therefore sophisticated lutyens waaley la dee dah congress.

very hollow, even more shallow.

proper baat karo, I'm all ears.

Firstly, we would not have had a Pehalgam.

Uri se le ke Pehalgam, BJP ke haathon pe khoon hai.
 
beat me to it

that single date right there sunk the congress and propelled Modi into power.. abhi bhi usi momentum ke bal chal raha hai BJP ka jahaj.

yaad hai @Vsdoc ?

and there were some flimsy rumors floating about ki "nahi nahi, humne bhi special forced raid kar di hai"

ekdum secret commando raid, ye baat public me nahi boli jaa sakti.

but humney jawab de dia, wink wink.. La Dinastia Matriarch, the shadow queen of India was running this shebang back then.

Is that where you get your weird "Rahul is the shadow PM" thing, Doc ?
 
It’s become rather apparent now that Pakistan does not have the weaponry nor the will to confront India.

This last conflagration was all the proof we needed.

Pakistan has refrained from retaliation as much as possible because it can’t!

Pakistan does not have neither the economic heft nor the weaponry to retaliate.

Regular people are now beginning to accept and digest this uncomfortable reality.

Like what Khwaja Asif said, Pakistan is doing dirty work for US and west for 3 decades.They did this dirty work for their new 4 feet masters. 4 feet Chinese can throw some Dollars at Mercenary Generals of Pakistan and make them fight with India. They order their Pet Pakistan to mess with India so that their weapons get propaganda and and their insult in Galwan and other places at the hand of modi can be avenged. It was their miscalculation. It once again get humiliated. It seems that China's
 
Yeh doctor saheb ka line hai. I am just recollecting the sweet memories of forum discussions.

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I too was taken aback. And quite put off too ki yahan mai serious discussion kar raha hun aur ye pillu liberties le raha hai.

That's why I immediately disengaged, if you noticed.

A sobering thought. If this is my reaction then other think the sane when i speak (type) like this.

No wonder I get banned everywhere.

My obnoxiousness is more difficult to tolerate than the draw and value of my intellect and wisdom through participation.
 
Like what Khwaja Asif said, Pakistan is doing dirty work for US and west for 3 decades.They did this dirty work for their new 4 feet masters. 4 feet Chinese can throw some Dollars at Mercenary Generals of Pakistan and make them fight with India. They order their Pet Pakistan to mess with India so that their weapons get propaganda and and their insult in Galwan and other places at the hand of modi can be avenged. It was their miscalculation. It once again get humiliated. It seems that China's
I believe Pakistan is finished now as a military threat to India. I doubt if even China would show any enthusiasm toward arming Pakistan on the cheap, specially after their weapons got exposed bhai.

Ab to sub khatam, I believe even Pakistan military has found out that all Chinese weapons did not perform as advertised and there is no rationale to keeping up with the appearance's anymore.

Bhaandda phoott gya…..

Toba toba…..
 

Pakistan's fantasies of hitting Indian air bases exposed by satellite image analyst​

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Claims by Pakistan-based social media handles of the damage caused to Indian military infrastructure have been thoroughly debunked. Image:X.com/@detresfa_

Claims by Pakistan-based social media handles of the damage caused to Indian military infrastructure have been thoroughly debunked. Image:X.com/@detresfa_© Copyright (C) FIRSTPOST: LIVE updates, Latest News, Breaking News, World News, Sports News, Bollywood News, Business, Entertainment, Tech, Political News and more Firstpost. All Rights Reserved.
In the weeks following Operation Sindoor, Pakistan has repeatedly claimed it inflicted significant damage on Indian military infrastructure, including airbases and high-value defense systems. But a detailed analysis by independent satellite imagery analyst Damien Symon suggests those claims are unfounded, with multiple images found to be either doctored or misrepresented.



Symon, who has been examining the visuals circulated by Islamabad, said that assertions made by Pakistani officials and media — including strikes on a Sukhoi fighter jet and an S-400 air defense unit — do not hold up against verified satellite data.

Adampur airbase: No Sukhoi hit

One of Pakistan's most prominent claims involved a purported strike on a Sukhoi-30MKI at the Adampur airbase in Punjab. An image shared by pro-Pakistan accounts showed what appeared to be a burn mark near a jet.

However, Symon confirmed the image pre-dated the conflict and the jet was not a Sukhoi but a MiG-29 undergoing maintenance. The dark patch near the aircraft was engine soot, not bomb damage.

Bhuj airbase: No damage to S-400

Another claim pointed to an alleged strike on an S-400 system at Bhuj airbase in Gujarat. Imagery showed dark patches on the ground, described as missile impact zones. Symon said the marks were oil stains in a vehicle yard, not missile craters. The image was also captured before the hostilities began.

Related video: From Gibraltar to Balakot: India's fierce reply to Pakistan (WION)


In a separate instance, Pakistan alleged missile damage to an S-400 battery at Adampur. Satellite photos used to support this were digitally edited, with black dots added to simulate craters. Symon compared them with current, unedited images, which showed no such damage.

Naliya airbase: Cloud shadow, not bomb damage

Another claim involved an image from Naliya airbase that allegedly showed scorched ground from a bombing raid. Symon identified the darkened area as a cloud shadow on the runway, not damage from an attack.

Srinagar airport: No visible impact

A blurry image of Srinagar airport was circulated online to support claims of a Pakistani strike. High-resolution satellite imagery from multiple sources and dates, however, showed no damage to the civilian apron or surrounding areas.

Chinese satellite firm cited in false claim



Adding to the narrative, Pakistan shared imagery from a Chinese satellite company to assert damage at Adampur airbase. Symon said the alleged damage was a pre-existing mark visible in older satellite captures.

Jammu airport: Another false claim

Visuals claiming damage at Jammu airport showed darkened spots near the runway, which Symon’s analysis debunked.

Post-strike satellite images confirmed the airport remained undamaged. The circulated image had been digitally manipulated, he said.

Prime Minister visit signals normalcy

Shortly after Operation Sindoor, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi visited the Adampur airbase, and photographs from the event showed the absence of any substantial damage and directly challenging Pakistan’s narrative.
 

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I believe Pakistan is finished now as a military threat to India. I doubt if even China would show any enthusiasm toward arming Pakistan on the cheap, specially after their weapons got exposed bhai.

Ab to sub khatam, I believe even Pakistan military has found out that all Chinese weapons did not perform as advertised and there is no rationale to keeping up with the appearance's anymore.

Bhaandda phoott gya…..

Toba toba…..

Pakistanis have the same racial gut reaction to ching chongs as Indians do.

Which is why I could understand fat chings jumping on Army jeep bonnet bhare bazaar mein.

But for the life of me I could not understand Pakistanis sending their girls as brides for noodle luns.
 
I believe Pakistan is finished now as a military threat to India. I doubt if even China would show any enthusiasm toward arming Pakistan on the cheap, specially after their weapons got exposed bhai.

Ab to sub khatam, I believe even Pakistan military has found out that all Chinese weapons did not perform as advertised and there is no rationale to keeping up with the appearance's anymore.

Bhaandda phoott gya…..

Toba toba…..
Why, they won.. Chinese ones prevailed over French and Russian top o the line fighters.

6 - 0

total beizzati of India.

Pak me mood full celebratory hai, jahsn mana raha poora mulk, General sb ki promotion bhi ho gai, gangous ko aukaat bhi dikha di !

Huge shot in the arm for Chinkdoo corporation, all thanks to brave PAF pilots, the best anywhere on earth !

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they can't stop snorting that chooran.
 
I believe Pakistan is finished now as a military threat to India. I doubt if even China would show any enthusiasm toward arming Pakistan on the cheap, specially after their weapons got exposed bhai.

Ab to sub khatam, I believe even Pakistan military has found out that all Chinese weapons did not perform as advertised and there is no rationale to keeping up with the appearance's anymore.

Bhaandda phoott gya…..

Toba toba…..

More weaponizing the Pakistan means more humiliation of Chinese weapons. China provoked Pakistan to avenge humiliation it faced in Chumar, Doklam and Galwan. It proved counterproductive and resulted into humiliation of Chinese weapon and great advertisement of made in Indian weapons and Weapons India purchased. China will try it again through Pakistan. However, before Pakistan gathers any courage to attack India again, lots of state of art weapons might have come in. India will have dozens of Hypersonic missiles type ranging from rocket Powered hypersonic missiles such as Rudram series, Pralay to HGVs like BM-05, Brahmastra and others in development, Scramjet powered Hypersonic missies like HSTDV, Project Vishnu and one just lab tested for 1050 seconds. India has operationalized 30 KW laser, 50, 100 and 300 KW weapons are under development. MW scaled weapon is planned. Now forget about Pakistan messing with India as a proxy, its master will not be able to mess with India. We have humiliated them 3 times directly since 2014. We shall do it again.
 

Pak's Bholari base hangar hit by India had Saab airborne control aircraft, 4 jets​

The Bholari base is located less than 100 miles from the port city of Karachi, and was one of nearly a dozen air force targets struck by India during Operation Sindoor.​

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Bholari air base

A particular hangar at the Bholari airbase in Pakistan was hit by India during Op Sindoor.

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Manjeet Negi
New Delhi,UPDATED: May 28, 2025 16:15 IST
Edited By: Poorva Joshi

In Short​

  • Particular hangar at Pakistan's Bholari airbase was hit by Indian Air Force
  • BrahMos missile strike caused a small hole in the hangar rooftop of airbase
  • Saab 200 Airborne Early Warning and Control, 4 jets were present at hangar
The Bholari airbase in Pakistan struck by the Indian Air Force earlier this month had four western fighter jets, and a Saab 200 AEW&C (Airborne Early Warning and Control) aircraft stationed inside, top sources told India Today TV. The Bholari base is located less than 100 miles from the port city of Karachi, and was one of nearly a dozen air force targets struck by India during Operation Sindoor.

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A particular hangar at the base was hit by the Indian Air Force, caused by a long-range BrahMos missile. The strike caused a small hole in the hangar rooftop and has caused major damage inside, which was also captured earlier on satellite images from May 11.

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Bholari airbase damage captured on satellite.
Top sources also told India Today TV that the Air Force took out four to five major air defence missile launchers and American and Chinese radars deployed in the Punjab province.


Earlier, the Chief Minister of Pakistan's Sindh province confirmed that Indian air strikes targeting the Bholari airbase resulted in the deaths of six air force staff members.

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Commissioned in December 2017, the Bholari airbase was regarded as one of Pakistan’s most advanced main operational bases. It is home to the 19 Squadron and the Operational Conversion Unit (OCU), operating F-16A/B Block 15 ADF aircraft.

WHY PAK BASES WERE HIT​

On May 8, Pakistan attempted to attack Indian military bases following India's Operation Sindoor strikes on terror camps in Pakistan and POK in response to the April 22 Pahalgam attack that killed 26 civilians. In retaliation, the IAF conducted coordinated precision strikes on at least eight Pakistani military bases on May 10, and took out the entire command and control systems of the Pakistan Air Force.

Apart from Bholari, other key airbases, including Nur Khan, Sargodha, Rafiqui, Murid, Chaklala, Rahim Yar Khan, and Chunian were hit.

Traps and decoys were used to carry out the strikes, causing significant damage to the infrastructure and ground assets of the Pakistan Air Force. The technical analysis of the damage caused in the attack is ongoing.

India only used air-launched weapons in the conflict against Pakistan, and not weapons like surface-to-surface missiles. It has technical and video evidence of its attacks on terror camps in Pakistan and POK, as well as of the strikes carried out at Pakistani military bases subsequently.

Apart from the BrahMos missiles, the Russian-made S-400 air defence systems were also used, causing major damage to the fast-moving targets of the Pakistan Air Force.



 

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