[🇮🇷] Iran's "Operation Truthful Promise - وعده صادق" on Israel : Live Coverage

[Old School]

Exactly!......my only concern is just how many western jihadi X-Tian apocalyptic rattle snake dancers are willing to become da new ISAF in defending Israel. We must not discount these X-Tian Christy christian armageddonist jihadists.......They want their Solomons temple and await da dajaal and maseeha coming down from da heavens.....

It is too late for those Messianic lunatics. Another thing to remember is that Afghans, in general, speak and understand Farsi/Dari. Why would they learn Urdu/Punjabi to entertain another gang of cabbies in Londonistan? So, the current attacks on Chinese engineers in Pakistan are most likely coming from people who want to get Iran engaged with Pakistan in hostility while forgetting the Israel front.

 

[Lulldapull]

Dunya di jhootti tareen qaum christy X-Tian apocalyptic armageddonists............bewquff jahl khotay......dis nonsense just a business folks......dont be fooled. Saari foundation armagedon ich banaye si......iss-toopid idiota's:

 

[Lulldapull]

It is too late for those Messianic lunatics. Another thing to remember is that Afghans, in general, speak and understand Farsi/Dari. Why would they learn Urdu/Punjabi to entertain another gang of cabbies in Londonistan? So, the current attacks on Chinese engineers in Pakistan are most likely coming from people who want to get Iran engaged with Pakistan in hostility while forgetting the Israel front.

Afghani is harami at his core. He’d do anything for a few dollars. Switch loyalties or religion on da whim. We know this truth. Al-Gurdish is also just like Afghani. Afghani, Al-Gurdish or even Baloch are capable of pimping out their dads to da highest bidders….no need to be ashamed…..sometimes this is life for a lot of dem folks because their ancestors fucked up long ago. It’s just sad.

 

[Lulldapull]

Israeli cabinet meeting…..how to respond to the destruction of two IDF bases by Irani strike:

 

[4MikeEcho]

Response to Iran’s attack: Israel war cabinet weighing options

Israel yesterday faced pressure from allies to show restraint and avoid an escalation of conflict in the Middle East as it considered how to respond to Iran’s weekend missile and drone attack.

www.thedailystar.net

Response to Iran's attack: Israel war cabinet weighing options
Considers hurting Iran without all-out war amid pressure from allies

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Israel yesterday faced pressure from allies to show restraint and avoid an escalation of conflict in the Middle East as it considered how to respond to Iran's weekend missile and drone attack.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu summoned his war cabinet for the second time in less than 24 hours, a government source said. Two senior officials signalled on Sunday that retaliation was not imminent and Israel would not act alone but the results of yesterday's talks were not yet known.

Israel's military chief of staff said the country would respond to the Iranian attack.

"This launch of so many missiles, cruise missiles, and drones into Israeli territory will be met with a response," Chief of Staff Herzi Halevi said, speaking from the Nevatim air force base in southern Israel, which sustained some damage in the attack.

Israel's Channel 12 news reported that Israel's war cabinet discussed a range of options at the second meeting to hurt Iran for its attack on Israel but without causing an all-out war.

Iran's attack - made in retaliation for a suspected Israeli airstrike on its embassy compound in Damascus - has increased fears of open warfare between Israel and Iran and heightened concerns that violence rooted in the Gaza war is spreading further in the region.

Wary of the dangers, President Joe Biden has told Netanyahu the United States will not take part in any Israeli counter-offensive against Iran.

In his 25-minute call to Netanyahu on Sunday, Biden suggested that further response by Israel was "unnecessary".

Since the start of Israel's war in Gaza on Oct 7, clashes have erupted between Israel and Iran-aligned groups in Lebanon, Syria, Yemen and Iraq. Israel said four of its soldiers were wounded hundreds of metres inside Lebanese territory overnight.

"We're on the edge of the cliff and we have to move away from it," Josep Borrell, the European Union's foreign affairs chief, told Spanish radio station Onda Cero. "We have to step on the brakes and reverse gear."

French President Emmanuel Macron, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz and British Foreign Secretary David Cameron made similar appeals. Washington and United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres have also issued calls for restraint.

Countries including France, Belgium and Germany summoned the Iranian ambassadors. The French foreign ministry said France was working with its partners to de-escalate the situation.

Russia has refrained from criticising its ally Iran in public over the strikes but expressed concern about the risk of escalation on Monday and also called for restraint.

"Further escalation is in no one's interests," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said.

Iran mounted the attack in response to a suspected Israeli airstrike on its embassy compound in Syria on April 1 that killed seven Iranian Revolutionary Guards officers, including two senior commanders.

Its attack, involving more than 300 missiles and drones, caused only modest damage in Israel and no deaths. Most were shot down by Israel's Iron Dome defence system and with help from the US, Britain, France and Jordan.

In Washington, Biden reiterated US commitment to Israel's security ahead of a meeting with Iraq's Prime Minister Mohammed Shia al-Sudani.

British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said the Group of Seven major democracies were working on a package of coordinated measures against Iran.

"I spoke to my fellow G7 leaders, we are united in our condemnation of this attack," Sunak said in parliament.

Italy, which holds the rotating presidency of the G7, said it was open to new sanctions against individuals engaged against Israel.

In an interview with Reuters, Italian Foreign Minister Antonio Tajani said new sanctions would need the backing of all the G7. He suggested any new measures would be focused on individuals rather than whole nations.

Asian shares fell and gold prices rose yesterday as risk sentiment took a hit. But oil prices dipped and Israel's shekel rose against the dollar after the comments by two senior Israeli officials - Defence Minister Yoav Gallant and centrist minister Benny Gantz - suggesting an Israeli response was not imminent.

Iran's attack has caused travel disruption, with at least a dozen airlines cancelling or rerouting flights, and Europe's aviation regulator reaffirming advice to airlines to use caution in Israeli and Iranian airspace.

Israel remained on high alert, but authorities lifted some emergency measures that had included a ban on some school activities and caps on large gatherings.

Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amirabdollahian said Tehran had informed the United States that the attack on Israel would be limited and for self-defence, and that regional neighbours had been informed of the planned strikes 72 hours in advance.

White House national security spokesperson John Kirby yesterday told reporters that the United States did exchange messages with Iran but that there were never any messages regarding Iran's timeframe or targets for its weekend attack.

Kirby would not be drawn into explaining what the messages were about. He said that reports suggesting Iran tipped off the United States about its plans were "categorically false" and "malarkey."

Turkish, Jordanian and Iraqi officials said on Sunday that Iran gave wide notice days before its drone and missile attack on Israel.

In the first-ever attack against Israeli territory, Iran launched more than 300 drones and missiles towards Israel.

The attack included 170 drones and 30 cruise missiles, none of which entered Israeli territory, and at least 110 ballistic missiles, of which a small number reached Israel, military spokesman Rear Adm Daniel Hagari said in a televised statement.

At least nine countries were involved in the military escalation - with projectiles fired from Iran, Iraq, Syria and Yemen and downed by Israel, the US, the UK and Jordan.

The shortest distance from Iran to Israel is about 1,000km (620 miles) across Iraq, Syria and Jordan.

Since most of the projectiles came from relatively far away, Israel was able to send F-35 stealth fighters to intercept them. The IDF said that 25 of the 30 cruise missiles sent by Iran were shot down outside the country.

Two US officials told the BBC's US partner CBS news that five ballistic missiles evaded air defences and impacted Israeli territory.

Four of them "lightly hit" the Nevatim air force base in the Negev desert in southern Israel, said Israeli sources.

Of the 120 ballistic missiles fired by Iran, about half of them failed on launch or crashed mid-flight, one of the officials told CBS.

Experts said Israel may use this attack as an excuse to destroy Iran's nuclear facilities. They also said Netanyahu has an incentive to keep hostilities going, as it fends off the collapse of his razor-thin coalition and new elections.

The attack has also for now distracted global attention from Israel's conduct of the war in Gaza. Furthermore, the Iranian attack is also likely to dispel murmurs in the US Congress about curbing weapons supplies to Israel because of Gaza, they said.​

So its Jericho 2 missiles (conventional warhead) against Iranian drone factories or random Revolutionary Guard sites. I doubt the nuclear facilities are in a single place waiting to be hit by a conventional weapon.

Israeli Air Force is not going to be of much use: 600 miles is its combat radius which will barely get it to the border. To get to the actual target it will need air to air over Iraq or Syria, and then F-35s show up with two precision bombs.

This is at a conventional stalemate. Its questionable if Israel has the number of ballistic Jerichos as Iran does. Its been busy maintaining a 500 combat jet air force , which is of minimal use against Iran. Iran had no money for the air force, so put it all in surface to surface projectiles

 

[ThunderCat]

Yaar these turkish UAV's are great for use against da talibunny or balochi terror outfits. No doubt......but against India, they'd be shot down in under 2 minutes if they go anywhere near the Indo-pak borders. I know we are backward in modern military technology, and I seriously wonder how useful/ feasible is the acquisition of these turkish drones. Chinese drones to aik dum lunn hain. All them CH-4's n Wingh Lhoongs and whatnot.....total junk.....I mean do rupay waalay chappairr and they'd be shot down. We seriously need to quit buying Chinese weapons. Our Ghauri/ Ghaznavi/ Nasr/ Shahin, its all junk and you know it. Just like our shitful F-sola......Total junk......Do mintt nahi zinda rehna hamaray weapons nay against Israel. Our military is just a pushover.

Drones are difficult to shoot down. Ask the Russkies in Ukraine. How much damage did Bayraktar drone do before they developed jamming countermeasures? The Russkies wanted the Bayraktar drone in their inventory and Turkiye & NATO said 'no.'

And look on the Russian side how badly these Iranian drones damages Ukraine. Ask the Bharatis how well their battery missiles (?) supplied to Armenia fared against Turkish Bayraktar drones.

So why am I compelled to believe Bharati military can take down these Bayraktar drones easily.

 

[Old School]

[h1]Iran's strike on Israel was much more successful than it seems. Here's why[/h1]Tehran's retaliatory attack may not have caused much destruction, but it was far from a failure
Do not jump to conclusions
Many experts were skeptical about Iran's strike and hastened to say that the retaliation did not live up to expectations. Given the clip thinking of most commentators, this reaction is hardly surprising. Their reasoning resembles a Hollywood blockbuster stuffed with special effects, where the end of the world and its miraculous salvation fit into 90-120 minutes, with a love scene in the middle. In real life, things are different. As Sun Tzu wrote in ancient times, to fight 100 battles and win 100 battles is not the height of skill. The best way to win is not to fight at all. This is Iran's strategy. Its strike against Israel was not so much a military response as a grandmaster's move in a big chess game. And the game is not over yet.
To achieve the first point, Iran had to carry out a direct strike without resorting exclusively to proxy forces – and that is indeed how it acted. Regarding the second point, even though most of the missiles and drones were indeed shot down, some managed to penetrate Israeli air space and hit military targets. The Chief of Staff of the Iranian Armed Forces, Mohammad Bagheri, said that the information center on the Israeli-Syrian border and Israel's Nevatim air base were hit. And finally, as to the third point – war didn't happen. This resembled the situation in 2020, when the Iranians hit US bases in Iraq in response to the assassination of General Soleimani.
However, it is still too early to speculate as to whether Iran's attack was a success or not. The big question now is how Israel will respond.

What Iran has accomplished
It's important to emphasize that Iran's operation carried more political than military weight. In this sense, it was carried out subtly and was a success. Obviously, the Iranians did not want to start a war which would involve the US, even though that is what Netanyahu wanted. In other words, Israel didn't manage to provoke Iran.

It is also obvious that the Islamic Republic possesses more powerful drones and missiles than those used in the attack on April 14. However, even the less advanced drones and missiles were able to penetrate Israeli air space and inflict economic damage, since Israel spent much more money on shooting down the missiles and drones than Iran spent on launching them.

Tehran has once again demonstrated that Israel is not invulnerable, and it is possible to attack it. As for the degree of inflicted damage, which some commentators were unsatisfied with, it largely depends on the type of missiles and drones used in the attack – and Iran has a lot of military equipment.

Finally, Iran's main achievement is that it has managed to confuse Israel in the same way that it was confused after the October 7 Hamas attack. The country has to respond. But how? Should Israel strike Iranian proxy forces? This is possible, but Israel does it all the time without much result. Should it hit Iran directly? But that would start a war which no one is prepared for, including the US.

Conclusion
The ball is now in Israel's court, and the country faces the same challenges that the Islamic Republic did after April 1. But will Israel be able to solve these challenges as efficiently?

It is noteworthy that IRGC Commander-in-Chief, Hossein Salami, said that from now on, if Israel attacks the interests of Iran and Iranian citizens, Tehran will strike it again.

This is an important statement. Essentially, the attack carried out by Iran on April 14 was not just a retaliatory strike, but established a new order. Iran demonstrated that it is ready to resort to new means of influence in a situation where words are not sufficient. It attacked Israel directly not in order to start a war, but to demonstrate what could happen if all other methods of pressure on Israel fail.

A new option has been put forward. Israel may be deprived of its most important advantage – absolute impunity, which until recently had been guaranteed by the US.

Iran's strike on Israel was much more successful than it seems. Here's why — RT World News

 

[Lulldapull]

Drones are difficult to shoot down. Ask the Russkies in Ukraine. How much damage did Bayraktar drone do before they developed jamming countermeasures? The Russkies wanted the Bayraktar drone in their inventory and Turkiye & NATO said 'no.'

And look on the Russian side how badly these Iranian drones damages Ukraine. Ask the Bharatis how well their battery missiles (?) supplied to Armenia fared against Turkish Bayraktar drones.

So why am I compelled to believe Bharati military can take down these Bayraktar drones easily.

yaar India did not and had not provided any weaponry during karabagh war. Those surveillance radars were provided by India after the war. Just late last year India sold a few Pinaka MBRL and Akash Sams and a few SPG (artillery) systems. Indians don't even have a drone product that they can sell even today. Turkish Bayraktar drones performed well in Syria at first, but then they got countered by the Syrian air defenses. In Ukraine their viability was far lower. All 60 or so sold to Ukraine have long been downed. Which brings us to the same issue that Bayraktar or reaper or Hermes or even Irani Gaza or Shahid 129 are good in low intensity wars, but against near peer rivals they will not survive. Just two days ago the Hezb in Lebanon downed a $5 million Hermes. The second one lost in this month alone. Houthi's and Iraqi PMU's have downed a good 3 or 4 Reapers just this year alone. Each one is $30 million. I believe UCAV's are great fighting against guerilla forces like talibunny and Balochi sardars or more recently Irani Mohajir-6 series successful use in Ethiopia against Tigray militia's or by one Sudani general against the other general in their current civil war. Chinese CH-4/ wing Loong is just junk. Houthi's and every man and his dog in Iraq has shot down over a hundred Chinese UCAV's over the last decade. Jordan put up its CH-4 fleet for sale but nobody bought them. Same with Iraqi's......Nobody in even Africa wants them at used prices.