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I am not questioning the strategic thought process and success of Iran's long game that directly (and indirectly) forms the only threat axis against Israel and also (in Yemen) pretty much put the Saudis in their place.I believe the Russian war strategy in Ukraine is one of 'submission via attrition', not conquest. The Iranians are successfully using the same strategy against their rivals from Herat to Haifa. It paid off handsomely in Yemen and Afghanistan. It also paid off dividends in da SyRaaq, where Iran's got a quarter million militia members doing its bidding. You wear down your opponents with constant attacks, harassment and putting dem under siege surrounding them with heavily armed well trained and motivated dug in guerilla forces. The Russians too have adopted this cunning tactic when they've made a deep incursion into eastern Ukraine and created fortifications and kill zones which have killed and injured 500k Urainian troops along with thousands of NATO volunteers/ mercs. The area just beyond the Donbas is a gigantic meat grinder where precision artillery/ ATGMs and land attack ballistic/ ALCM's/ ALBM's smash down on the repeated but failed Ukrainian military offensives. This is also been the Iranian tactic in the SyRaaq, successfully used against Daesh/ ISIS and other regional western backed forces. Conquest automatically comes, when your opponent loses his will to fight. And evidently is a very sudden event. So I believe Russia and Iran have the upper hand in all these theaters of operations. War is never fun bro.......but it is what it is. Russia and Iran are motivated and have an imperial agenda (as a culture/ legacy). We in the subcontinent can't relate to this, cuz we've never done any of this nor do we ever plan on doing it. The west is hard pressed to counter Russia and Iran.



I am not questioning the strategic thought process and success of Iran's long game that directly (and indirectly) forms the only threat axis against Israel and also (in Yemen) pretty much put the Saudis in their place.
That is to be admired (militarily). But that won't extend to Iran can win a conventional war in direct confrontation with Israel or it showed superiority over Israel. It did what it had to do. In fact it did the same thing in Baluchistan a few months back to make a point only to be retaliated by Pakistan. It did the same exact thing in ISrael.
Tactical engagement on one side, but I do feel that Iran got played, despite its better acumen. Prior to Iran's attack, Israel was under pressure everywhere for its conduct in Gaza. More than it has ever experienced historically. Gaza was the news, west was reaching its limits and Biden was criticizing Israel publicly almost every week.
Israel knew that by attacking the embassy in Damascus, Iran will follow through and if it does, nobody will remember Israel's atrocities and narrative will shift. Thats exactly what happened and Iran walked into a strategic trap. All western nations lined up (including Arab ones) to support Israel militarily and here again Israel was a victim. Just look at this forum, nobody has posted on Gaza invasion thread for the last 5 days as if it never happened.
To summarize , Iran walked into a trap set by Israel where Israel played the victim in the world and the world (and us) forgot about Gaza and got intertwined on Iran's success or not or Israel's success or not against Iran.
As for Ukraine/Russia, lets see if this tactic works. It was a stronger Russia with USSR (with Ukraine in it) that eventually gave up on Afghanistan. With $61BN more in funding coming, there may be a reprieve, at least for the rest of this year. One thing that will Ukrainians in is if Trump wins that Russia prevailed. Otherwise its a war of attrition and missiles and industrial capacity.
But that opinion is better to discuss in Ukraine thread, not here
Much like Iran demonstrated that it can launch mass attack , Israel demonstrated that it can get within 200 miles standoff and strike a pin-point target. The unwritten threat was that if they put a nuke warhead both sides would succeed with their doctrine.It wasn't Black Sparrow but ‘Rampage system’. ISRAEL has successfully hit an Iranian S-300 site in that day near Natanz with the “Rampage’ supersonic air launched missile without being detected.
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Report: Israel used air-to-surface missile called ‘The Rampage’ in Iran attack
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1980 was at the height of the cold war with Saddam Hossain playing both the US and USSR while being a USSR client. Ayatollah was in Iran and Soviets in Afghanistan. Old KGB archives showed that USSR was to keen to have both Iran and Pakistan to be at war with their neighbors and preoccupied. Pakistan and India were wiser. However, Pakistan is still paying for its greatest strategic mistake of taking part in Afghan mujahedin project. It will haunt Pakistan in the coming days too.UukMuch like Iran demonstrated that it can launch mass attack , Israel demonstrated that it can get within 200 miles standoff and strike a pin-point target. The unwritten threat was that if they put a nuke warhead both sides would succeed with their doctrine.
One thing I will say that is that its not that often that two countries make a point but never want to cross the brink. Pakistan and India have done this.
Imagine if Iraq/Iran did this in 1980, and never crossed the brink to all out war, Israel would be in a more precarious situation now



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