[🇵🇰] The Ayub Khan Regime (1958-68): The Golden Era of Pakistan

[PakistanProud]

It may have been a better time for Pakistan. But still I think the Musharraf administration and the Zia ul Haq administration were also good as well.

Musharraf did a lot of benefits for the economy and laid fundamental groundwork for the economy of Pakistan from 2001-2006 in particular.

He was in a tough position in 2001 when Bush threatened Pakistan by saying "you are with us or with the terrorists - and we will bomb you to the stone age".

 

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Musharraf did a lot of benefits for the economy and laid fundamental groundwork for the economy of Pakistan from 2001-2006 in particular.

He was in a tough position in 2001 when Bush threatened Pakistan by saying "you are with us or with the terrorists - and we will bomb you to the stone age".

True, Musharraf took the "practical" option by siding with USA. But I think Musharraf made too many concessions to USA at the time lol. But then who are we to judge Musharraf, those were like desperate times. lol.

 

[PakistanProud]

True, Musharraf took the "practical" option by siding with USA. But I think Musharraf made too many concessions to USA at the time lol.

Yeah, unfortunately. He was in a tight position.

From 2001-2006 Pakistan was amongst the best in the entire world (and this isn't saying it lightly) in terms of economic developments.

"Musharraf's regime embraced globalization making structural reforms, opening the country to investment and trade. The results surprised even his most ardent supporters -- the size of the economy increased by almost 50 percent, with income per-capita up by nearly 25 percent. Cities and towns seem to be booming. The country managed to recover impressively from the devastating earthquake in 2005 [6]. In short, the economic paradox of Muisharraf's fall from grace "

This report by Robert Looney is a strong read.

https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/tr/pdf/ADA520258.pdf @Old School @ThunderCat

 

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Yeah, unfortunately. He was in a tight position.

From 2001-2006 Pakistan was amongst the best in the entire world (and this isn't saying it lightly) in terms of economic developments.

"Musharraf's regime embraced globalization making structural reforms, opening the country to investment and trade. The results surprised even his most ardent supporters -- the size of the economy increased by almost 50 percent, with income per-capita up by nearly 25 percent. Cities and towns seem to be booming. The country managed to recover impressively from the devastating earthquake in 2005 [6]. In short, the economic paradox of Muisharraf's fall from grace "

This report by Robert Looney is a strong read.

https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/tr/pdf/ADA520258.pdf @Old School @ThunderCat

Musharraf did a lot of benefits for the economy and laid fundamental groundwork for the economy of Pakistan from 2001-2006 in particular.

He was in a tough position in 2001 when Bush threatened Pakistan by saying "you are with us or with the terrorists - and we will bomb you to the stone age".

Musharraf was successful because he was a pro-western backed dictator. Had he been like Saddam Hussein, he would have been screwed. lol.

 

[PakistanProud]

Musharraf was successful because he was a pro-western backed dictator. Had he been like Saddam Hussein, he would have been screwed. lol.

Even more irony comes into play when you understand that from 2001 till about 2019 the amount of suicide bombings and guerilla warfare that the Pakistani army, security, and even civilians had to endure helped strengthen us and made us one of the strongest armies that can face guerilla warfare in this modern age.

Think about this, Russia, the UK, the US, NATO, etc, had to concede victory to the Mujhadeen/Taliban. Russia also had to concede to the Chechens by cozying up to them so that the armed groups go away.

Pakistan is perhaps the only army to defeat terrorism head-on. We had attempted to give the Pakistani Taliban Swat until they started taking advantage, but then went to war with them and won.

The US couldn't even do that with the Taliban.

So, to this date, the Pakistani army has experience in guerilla warfare, all due to Musharraf agreeing to side with the west after 2001. The world is a mysterious place.

@ghazi

 

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Yeah, unfortunately. He was in a tight position.

From 2001-2006 Pakistan was amongst the best in the entire world (and this isn't saying it lightly) in terms of economic developments.

"Musharraf's regime embraced globalization making structural reforms, opening the country to investment and trade. The results surprised even his most ardent supporters -- the size of the economy increased by almost 50 percent, with income per-capita up by nearly 25 percent. Cities and towns seem to be booming. The country managed to recover impressively from the devastating earthquake in 2005 [6]. In short, the economic paradox of Muisharraf's fall from grace "

This report by Robert Looney is a strong read.

https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/tr/pdf/ADA520258.pdf @Old School @ThunderCat

What Pakistan needs is a new reform-minded leader like Emperor Meiji who turned Japan into an industrialized world power :

1) Build new Universities - compulsory and affordable mass education
2) Industrialization
3) Economic Prosperity
4) Strong military - I think we are good at that
5) improve reputation of the country
6) Make Pakistan a world power
7) Get rid of Feudalism
8) Improve transportation network - Build huge highways and railroads
9) Establish a proper "Islamic" democracy. Japan copied German/Prussian democracy of 1890's.
10) Establish a proper Socialist free-market Capitalist economy like China's.
@PakistanProud
@Old School

 

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Even more irony comes into play when you understand that from 2001 till about 2019 the amount of suicide bombings and guerilla warfare that the Pakistani army, security, and even civilians had to endure helped strengthen us and made us one of the strongest armies that can face guerilla warfare in this modern age.

Think about this, Russia, the UK, the US, NATO, etc, had to concede victory to the Mujhadeen/Taliban. Russia also had to concede to the Chechens by cozying up to them so that the armed groups go away.

Pakistan is perhaps the only army to defeat terrorism head-on. We had attempted to give the Pakistani Taliban Swat until they started taking advantage, but then went to war with them and won.

The US couldn't even do that with the Taliban.

So, to this date, the Pakistani army has experience in guerilla warfare, all due to Musharraf agreeing to side with the west after 2001. The world is a mysterious place.

@ghazi

Yeah, unfortunately. He was in a tight position.

From 2001-2006 Pakistan was amongst the best in the entire world (and this isn't saying it lightly) in terms of economic developments.

"Musharraf's regime embraced globalization making structural reforms, opening the country to investment and trade. The results surprised even his most ardent supporters -- the size of the economy increased by almost 50 percent, with income per-capita up by nearly 25 percent. Cities and towns seem to be booming. The country managed to recover impressively from the devastating earthquake in 2005 [6]. In short, the economic paradox of Muisharraf's fall from grace "

This report by Robert Looney is a strong read.

https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/tr/pdf/ADA520258.pdf @Old School @ThunderCat

True, there were Pros and Cons by siding with USA.

But I do believe "you are either with us or against us" was a bit a stupid.

Now the Afghan Taliban has won in Afghanistan and now controls Afghanistan. lol.

 

[PakistanProud]

True, there were Pros and Cons by siding with USA.

But I do believe "you are either with us or against us" was a bit a stupid.

Now the Afghan Taliban has won in Afghanistan and now controls Afghanistan. lol.

Although many on this forum might not like it with the Afghan Taliban controlling Afghanistan, it puts Pakistan in a far far better place than with the previous puppets who controlled it. The previous Afghan puppets hated Pakistan with a passion and a very dead-on passion. They hated Pakistan with lust.

The current Taliban regime has its downs but that's natural for borders to create enemies and neighbors to have distrust. The current Afghan government is a blessing of monumental proportions as to what Pakistan had to endure with the previous puppets.

It is like a mini-extension that Pakistan has in Afghanistan now, even if they aren't pro-Pakistan if you do a side-by-side comparison.

So I would cut them some slack @Lulldapull - they do have their wrongs, which we should take on and speak up about. But, always look at the bigger picture.