[🇮🇳] Tejas Mk2 AKA Medium Weight Fighter-An Indian workhorse in making to replace-Mig-29, Mirage-2000 and Jaguar fleet

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[🇮🇳] Tejas Mk2 AKA Medium Weight Fighter-An Indian workhorse in making to replace-Mig-29, Mirage-2000 and Jaguar fleet
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Tejas Mk2 AKA Medium Weight Fighter-An Indian workhorse in making to replace-Mig-29, Mirage-2000 and Jaguar fleet



Rewritten by Vipul Dave

Date: 13-09-2024




When India floated its Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) tender, the goal was to procure an aircraft similar to the Mirage 2000, known for its versatility and combat effectiveness. The indigenous Tejas, developed by HAL and DRDO, incorporated several design features inspired by the Mirage 2000. However, due to its compact size and lower-powered engine, the Tejas Mk1 could not fully meet the Indian Air Force’s (IAF) expectations for a MMRCA. This led to the development of the Tejas Mk2, a more powerful and capable platform designed to bridge the gap and develop a plane with true multirole capability of a modern 4.5 generation fighter.

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Tejas Mk2, also known as the Medium Weight Fighter (MWF), was unveiled in its refined form before Aero India 2019. The aircraft’s design has impressed military experts and the IAF alike, fulfilling nearly all the requirements of a MMRCA while showcasing significant improvements in performance, payload, and versatility. This was an evolvement of Tejas MK1 design which was planned to be redesign to overcome shortcoming of MK1because of its compact design and higher degree of drag because of short length. Initially, there was a plan to increase fuselage length by 0.5 meter and reduce empty weight to 6150 kg to make a batter Tejas MK1. However, designers might have felt that some more effort may bring a significantly better fighter a class higher with significant batter capabilities. They worked more on design and came out with a significantly superior deign which is promising and capable enough to meet all mission capabilities of Mirage 2000, almost all capabilities of Mig 29 and many capabilities of Su30 MKIs.



Design and Specifications

Though Tejas Mk2 shares some similarities with the Mk1 version, its key upgrades are noteworthy. The Mk2 has a lengthened fuselage, growing from 13.2 meters in the Mk1 to 14.7 meters, which addresses a critical aerodynamic limitation of the original design. This adjustment ensures that the Mk2 batter complies with area ruling principles, reducing drag and enhancing transonic acceleration and top speed, which now exceeds Mach 1.8.



One of the major limitations of Tejas Mk1 was its limited payload capacity and hardpoints. Tejas Mk2 rectifies this by increasing the number of hardpoints from 7 to 11 and boosting the payload from 4.0 tons to 6.5 tons, allowing the aircraft to carry a huge load of advanced weaponry and mission-specific payloads capable of swing role missions. The Mk2 also incorporates canards, which improve low-speed handling and short take-off performance, making it more versatile for air force. This is designed to carry 8 BVRs which is highest in class. External Payload of 6.5 tons for this category of aircraft is very impressive and beats Gripen NG by full 1 tone with MTOW of 17.5 tons. These are great numbers for an aircraft powered by a single 58KN Dry and 98 KN wet Thrust.



Fuel capacity has also seen a significant enhancement, increasing from 2.5 tons to 3.3 tons, extending its ferry range and combat radius with internal fuel and also with drop tanks. Supersonic drop tanks have been developed to carry additional fuel with minimal drag, further increasing the aircraft’s operational range over large geographical areas. This enables aircraft to Carry out deep penetration missions.



A vital upgrade to the Tejas Mk2 is the replacement of its current engine with the GE 414 IN6, which provides dry thrust of over 58 kN and wet thrust of up to 98 kN. This allows the aircraft to carry heavier loads and operate at higher speeds. India has a plan to replace this engine with Kaveri K10 with 75 KN dry and 116 to 125 KN wet thrust engine. India is in talk with Rolls Royce, Safran and GE to form a partnership.



In terms of stealth, while the Tejas Mk2 will be a low observability aircraft. It is designed with a significantly reduced radar cross-section (RCS). Its "Y" duct air intake conceals the engine, and over 90% of the airframe is constructed from composite materials, further reducing weight and RCS. The application of Radar Absorbent Material (RAM) paint being developed for the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA), will enhance the Tejas Mk2’s stealth characteristics.



Radar and Other Avionics and Systems

The Tejas Mk2 will feature cutting-edge avionics, including the indigenously developed Uttam AESA radar, which offers greater range and superior jamming resistance compared to the current ELTA 2052 radar. The AESA radar will give the Tejas Mk2 a significant advantage in air-to-air combat by allowing it to detect enemy aircraft from further distances.



An infrared search and track (IRST) system is also under development, allowing the aircraft to detect and track enemy aircraft in passive mode without relying on its radar, preserving its stealth. This capability is critical for detecting stealthy adversaries and long-range engagements. The onboard electronic warfare (EW) suite, being developed in collaboration with Israeli partners, will provide the aircraft with superior defensive capabilities.



Tejas Mk2 will also be equipped with a Desi Uttam AESA Radar, Desi Radar Warning Receiver system developed by DARE, Desi Mission computer enabling it to detect and evade incoming threats. India has made a noteworthy progress in sensor and radar technology which together with state of art weapons enable aircraft to handle complex mission with ease. AI is also planned to be incorporated in coming aircrafts and other weapons of India.



MWF shall have onboard oxygen generator to allow it to operate at higher altitude without Oxygen cylinder.



Armament and Combat Capabilities

With an increased payload capacity of 6.5 tons, Tejas Mk2 will be able to carry a wide variety of munitions, including precision-guided bombs, air-to-air missiles, and long-range glide bombs. The aircraft’s ability to carry multiple missiles on each hardpoint gives it remarkable mission flexibility.



During Exercise Gagan Shakti, the Tejas Mk1 demonstrated its precision strike capabilities, and the Mk2 will inherit and build upon these strengths. India has developed a 100 km-range glide bomb and a Smart Anti-Airfield Weapon (SAAW), both of which can incapacitate enemy runways from a safe distance. The Mk2 will also be equipped with India’s Astra Mk1 Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missile, with a range of 110 km. Astra Mk2 is alos tested from Su30 MKI and shall be ready for induction on coming couple of years. Astra MK III with ramjet powered enigine is also successfully tested which is a 350 KM BVR. Discussions are on to integrate the Meteor missile, further enhancing its air superiority capabilities. France has agreed to provide the same if Radar is Indian and not Israeli.



So far as weaponry is concerned, MWF has more options than any other plane has. It can integrate Indian, Russian, French, European and Israeli weapons. India already uses Python V, I-Derby, MICA, Meteor, R 37, R73, AMRAAM, ASRAAM etc. Astra Mk1 is operational and 2 is under testing. SFDR has undergone many development trials. So far as ground attack is concern, India has Spice-2000, hammer, Desi Sudarshan, SAAW, Gaurav etc. India has integrated Brahmos with NKI and Brahmos NG is planned to be integrated with MWF which will give it a significant standoff capability with high supersonic strike almost impossible to defend. So far as weapons is concerned, this will be plane with far more options than perhaps any other plane of the class.



Versatility and Future Prospects

Tejas Mk2 is a multirole aircraft designed for a wide range of missions, including ground attack, close air support, and BVR engagements, Air raids etc. With an impressive thrust-to-weight ratio, enhanced manoeuvrability with its canard-delta wing configuration, and 9G load factor, the aircraft will excel in dogfights. Designer of MWF says that its manoeuvrability shall be very impressive.



Though it is a single-engine aircraft, the Tejas Mk2 packs capabilities rivalling twin-engine fighters. Its relatively low cost and high versatility make it a formidable option for the IAF, which is planning to procure over 200 units.



India is in talk with France, EU and US to make engine in collaboration. Proposed Kaveri shall be a 75 KN /120 to 130 KN wet thrust class engine. India has a plan to make that engine a Thrust victor control. If this enhanced power engine goes MK2, it will significantly boost MWF’s capabilities with high Mach number of super cruise. MWF II can be an aircraft with Frontal stealth and weapon bay for weapon storage and active cancelation like Rafale which can give it V- generation capabilities to handle J20 and J31.



MWF will have advance flight control system and carry the legacy of Relax Static stability from its predecessor Tejas MK1. A new flight control system is being developed for the aircraft. It will have an advance cockpit with floating display with sensor fusion and ease of handling. It will have many advance features of auto pilot and recovery from low speed and computer taking over the charge of plane pilot loses the control because of high G turn. All this will be an advancement of what is there in Tejas Mk1A.



Possible engagement against the adversaries.

The Medium Weight Fighter (MWF) is well-equipped to engage significant adversaries such as the F-16 and JF-17 from Pakistan, as well as the Su-30, Su-35, J-10 (A, B, C), J-11, J-20, and J-31 from China. In beyond-visual-range (BVR) combat, the MWF is set to excel due to its low radar cross-section (RCS), powerful AESA radar, and best-in-class BVR missile systems. These features give it a decisive advantage over most of its rivals, with the exception of the J-20 stealth fighter. Its enhanced detection capabilities and long-range strike potential make it a formidable force in BVR engagements.

In within-visual-range (WVR) combat, the MWF's superior agility and integration of advanced WVR missiles like the Python V, MICA, and AMRAAM ensure excellent performance. In close-quarter dogfights, although aircraft like the J-10C, Su-30, and Su-35 may have an edge due to their thrust vector control (TVC), the MWF remains highly competitive with its advanced manoeuvrability and cutting-edge weaponry.

In summary, the MWF will have no difficulty handling any aircraft from its Pakistani counterparts, and it will hold its own against most of the Chinese air fleet. While the Su-30, Su35 and J10 C fighters may present challenges in close combat, the MWF will deliver superior performance in BVR engagements and fare comparably against the majority of its adversaries because of lower RCS, state of art BVRs and superior electronic counter measures. Su 30, Su 35 and J10 C carries TVC, which gives them an edge in close combat and MWF will carry highly agile short range air to air missile like Python V which can be guided against enemy plane by just turning helmet cite to direct missile towards enemy plane.



Conclusion


The Tejas Mk2 is a highly advanced iteration of the Tejas Mk1, addressing every shortcoming of its predecessor with significant enhancements across the board. Its extended ferry range, enhanced combat radios, and increased payload capacity elevate its operational capabilities far beyond those of the Mk1. Designed for exceptional agility, unlike heavier, less manoeuvrable aircraft, the Tejas Mk2 can withstand 9G/-3.5G forces with high angles of attack (AOA), ensuring superior performance in dogfights. The integration of cutting-edge, ultra-long-range missiles like the Meteor and indigenous SFDR gives it a formidable edge in beyond-visual-range (BVR) combat, enabling it to engage and eliminate adversaries before they even get within striking distance. Coupled with its AESA radar, the Tejas Mk2 gains "first-shoot" capability, positioning it on par with the world's best 4.5 generation fighters, including the Gripen, Rafale, and Eurofighter Typhoon, and just shy of the F-22 and F-35 in terms of detection and engagement power.

The Tejas Mk2 is a multirole powerhouse capable of performing a broad range of missions with precision, from air raids and BVR engagements to close air support and ground attacks. Its lightweight design, enhanced aerodynamics, state-of-the-art weapon systems, and unparalleled ground-attack capabilities make it a force to be reckoned with in any combat scenario. Despite being a single-engine aircraft, the Tejas Mk2 rivals—and in some cases surpasses—the multirole capabilities of contenders like the F-16, MiG-35, J10 and Gripen E in overall performance. This homegrown MMRCA comes at a very competitive price the cost of its foreign counterparts, providing exceptional value to the Indian Air Force (IAF).

Initially hesitant, the IAF has embraced the Tejas platform with enthusiasm, significantly expanding its order for the Mk1 after its Final Operational Clearance (FOC). Now, with plans to induct over 200 Tejas Mk2 fighters, the IAF has recognized the aircraft’s exceptional versatility and combat potential. The Tejas Mk2 has not only exceeded the IAF’s expectations for a medium-weight multirole fighter but has also captured the admiration and confidence of India’s defence forces, pr
 
Tejas Mk1 A is also impressive. I am particularly very impressed with MWF's MTOW of 17.5 tons, useful payload of 6.5 tons and weapon options it has. Indian, European, French, Russian, Israeli. When Brahmos NG will be mounted on this plane, it will be most fearsome aircraft of this class and deter enemy navies to come closer because of Brahmos fear.
 
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Isn't Brahmos the Indian version of Russian Yakhont?

Brahmos was build using Yakhont engine. Rest of the things are far superior to yakhont including engine improvement right now. Flight profile was customized for different missions and guidance system was far superior. This can take guidance from GPS, GLONAS and INRSS and complement it from other source.

Brahmos NG shall be totally Indian. It will weigh just 1500 kg and range shall be 290 km (Just to sale to the countries who have not signed MTCR). It will have a speed in excess of Mach 3.5. It will be the deadliest standoff weapon for ground attack and anti-ship role.
 
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Brahmos was build using Yakhont engine. Rest of the things are far superior to yakhont including engine improvement right now. Flight profile was customized for different missions and guidance system was far superior. This can take guidance from GPS, GLONAS and INRSS and complement it from other source.

Brahmos NG shall be totally Indian. It will weigh just 1500 kg and range shall be 290 km (Just to sale to the countries who have not signed MTCR). It will have a speed in excess of Mach 3.5. It will be the deadliest standoff weapon for ground attack and anti-ship role.
Bangladesh hasn't signed MTCR yet. Will you sell Brahmos NG to Bangladesh?:p
 
Isn't Brahmos the Indian version of Russian Yakhont?

Absolutely. They assemble the Russian Yakhont and named it Brahmastra etc.

And are selling it to countries like the Phillippines. Until the Filipinos find out how questionable the quality is, all will be fine.

The story keeps repeating of Indian products like the "Dhruv" helis they sold to Ecuador, another debacle. No one will be buying Indian products in South America any more, especially armaments or fighting platforms.

Since 2009, four of the seven helicopters had succumbed to accidents, resulting in the death of three Ecuadorian Airforce personnel.

Just shameless of Indians to sell these helis when Indians knew how bad these are. As of 2016, the Indian Air Force (IAF) had also grounded its Dhruv fleet three times because of technical issues.

 
Absolutely. They assemble the Russian Yakhont and named it Brahmastra etc.

And are selling it to countries like the Phillippines. Until the Filipinos find out how questionable the quality is, all will be fine.

The story keeps repeating of Indian products like the "Dhruv" helis they sold to Ecuador, another debacle. No one will be buying Indian products in South America any more, especially armaments or fighting platforms.

Since 2009, four of the seven helicopters had succumbed to accidents, resulting in the death of three Ecuadorian Airforce personnel.

Just shameless of Indians to sell these helis when Indians knew how bad these are. As of 2016, the Indian Air Force (IAF) had also grounded its Dhruv fleet three times because of technical issues.


Was this recent?
 
Was this recent?
Well the Indian-made heli crashes in Ecuador were all around the middle of the 2010s.

Those sold to Ecuador were probably the last foreign sales success of the helis, and that too under bribes.

There were multiple crashes also in Indian AF service as well, and some of the incidents were probably kept under wraps.
 
New Leser gyro is developed for Brahmos. It is claimed that this will further enhance the performance, reliability and accuracy of Brahmos. Brahmos NG is going to a marvel of standoff weapon. Very fast, highly maneuverable, complex trajectory for any sort of Interception.
 
Well the Indian-made heli crashes in Ecuador were all around the middle of the 2010s.

Those sold to Ecuador were probably the last foreign sales success of the helis, and that too under bribes.

There were multiple crashes also in Indian AF service as well, and some of the incidents were probably kept under wraps.

In India, you can not keep anything under wrap. You can not justify anything by using word probably and get away. India is not China. India too have crashes but how many? This chopper is used in world's highest terrain above 6000 meters. Very few choppers can effectively be operated at this height. Inspite of that, crashes are minimal. This chopper has revolutionized Army and Air force operations. Army wanted it to carry 200 to Siachen. It lifted double the payload of same. It is the best chopper in rescue work in which it is widely used. In January 2024, it had completed 340000 hours of flying in India. So crashed per flying hour are not at all high. This has more than double the T/W ratio of Z10 chopper of China which cannot carry over 500 KG above 10000 ft.
 
In India, you can not keep anything under wrap. You can not justify anything by using word probably and get away. India is not China. India too have crashes but how many? This chopper is used in world's highest terrain above 6000 meters. Very few choppers can effectively be operated at this height. Inspite of that, crashes are minimal. This chopper has revolutionized Army and Air force operations. Army wanted it to carry 200 to Siachen. It lifted double the payload of same. It is the best chopper in rescue work in which it is widely used. In January 2024, it had completed 340000 hours of flying in India. So crashed per flying hour are not at all high. This has more than double the T/W ratio of Z10 chopper of China which cannot carry over 500 KG above 10000 ft.

Crashes are minimal? OK.

Indian Army grounded all Dhruv Helis after J&K crash







 
Crashes are minimal? OK.

Indian Army grounded all Dhruv Helis after J&K crash









It happens after every accident. We had grounded Mirage 2000, Su 30 MKI as well. Reasons of crash are accessed to ensure that this is not common in other similar assets. This is a procedure. Fact of the matter is that this chopper had over 340 thousand hours of flying 9 months back and that too in some of most difficult terrain 6000 meter high in Himalayas. It is flying and giving excellent services today and used by all 3 wings and cost guard as well. It has armed version which has done exceedingly well.
 
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India has finalized an agreement to develop 75/120 KN engine with Safran. MWF with frontal stealth, 75/120 KN engine with super cruise in excess of Mach 1.5, GAN based AESA and spectra like AESA shall be grand pa of all 4.5 generation planes. India can very much make it happen in a decade of time in MWF-2 Avatar.
 
Recently, Indian army Stated that Appache Choppers are not very effective in Himalayas. Only LCH (Derivative of ALH-Dhruv) is the most suitable chopper for high altitude operations. This gives India an edge in High Mountain terrain. China cannot operate its own choppers at this height neither Pakistan can do that. Only India has capability which will further be enhanced with HAL 1200 KW engine.
 
Great news on MWF:


ADA to Further Optimize Tejas Mk2 Design Based on ONERA Wind Tunnel Tests​

October 1, 2024 SOURCE: AFI

According to the Alpha Defence YouTube channel, The Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) of India is set to further refine the design of the Tejas Mk2 fighter jet, following crucial wind tunnel tests conducted by the French National Aerospace Research Center, ONERA (Office National d’Études et de Recherches Aérospatiales). These tests have yielded critical data that will influence the optimization of key components such as the air intake and canards, which will be incorporated into the upcoming prototypes of the Tejas Mk2.

ONERA, renowned for its cutting-edge aerodynamic research and development, played a key role in analyzing the airflow dynamics and performance parameters of the Tejas Mk2 in its advanced wind tunnel facilities. The wind tunnel tests, an essential part of aerospace development, simulate real-world flight conditions, allowing engineers to evaluate how various design elements perform under stress.

The focus of these wind tunnel tests was primarily on two areas critical to the Tejas Mk2’s performance: the air intake and canards.

Canards: The canards, which are small, forward-mounted control surfaces, have been incorporated into the Tejas Mk2 design to enhance maneuverability and control at higher angles of attack. The ONERA tests provided valuable data on how the canards influence the jet’s aerodynamic profile, enabling ADA engineers to fine-tune their positioning and shape for maximum effectiveness. Enhanced canard design is expected to improve the aircraft’s agility, stability, and handling in combat situations.

Air Intake Design: The air intake system of a fighter jet is vital for ensuring optimal airflow to the engine, which directly impacts thrust and overall performance. ONERA’s tests provided insights into how the Tejas Mk2’s air intake can be optimized for improved efficiency, reducing drag and enhancing airflow even at high speeds and altitudes. These refinements are expected to provide better performance in both supersonic and subsonic flight regimes.

The findings from ONERA will be incorporated into the next batch of Tejas Mk2 prototypes. This stage of optimization is crucial as ADA prepares the Tejas Mk2 for its first flight, expected in the coming years. The enhancements made as a result of these tests will not only improve the fighter’s aerodynamic efficiency but will also contribute to its operational effectiveness in the field.

ONERA’s involvement highlights the collaborative efforts between India and France in aerospace research. Leveraging ONERA’s world-class facilities and expertise in wind tunnel testing allows ADA to ensure that the Tejas Mk2 meets international standards in performance and design. ONERA has conducted similar tests for various international fighter programs, lending further credibility to the aerodynamic improvements being incorporated into the Tejas Mk2.

The Tejas Mk2 is a highly anticipated evolution of the Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA), designed to address the operational needs of the Indian Air Force (IAF). Unlike its predecessor, the Mk2 features significant upgrades, including a larger fuselage, more powerful GE-F414 engines, enhanced payload capacity, and improved avionics. The introduction of canards and other design enhancements aims to significantly boost the platform’s maneuverability, speed, and combat effectiveness. /end.
 
This aerodynamic improvement test is very important. It will reduce the testing time of plane as it fine tunes the design in evaluation stage itself and hence no need to find and fine tune those discrepancies during testing Phase. What India need to do is to push this program fast and get it to operation followed by fast production.
 
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I want this plane to be highly potent with all modern EW, Radar and weapons so that very few planes can handle larger enemy fleet. The reason whey Rafale were purchased in less number was that it can handle large enemy fleet because of its capabilities. I want the DNA of Rafale to be built in MWF.
 

This makes its frontal stealth bellow 0.1 M2. very significantly lower. It puts it into best non fifth generation fighter category so far as RCS is concern. Low RCS, top of the line BVRs, Top of the line Short range missiles, Top of the line ground attack munition. This plane is going to be too awesome.
 
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Now Designers have revealed that MWF's Frontal RCS shall be 1/4th of RCS of Tejas MK1 A. This means that its frontal RCS shall be less than 0.1 Meter Square.

 
Now Designers have revealed that MWF's Frontal RCS shall be 1/4th of RCS of Tejas MK1 A. This means that its frontal RCS shall be less than 0.1 Meter Square.


MWF shall have capability to Identify and first shoot capability against all Chinese and Pakistani fighters excluding J20 and including J10 (infect J1 to J100) and fire a BVR at them before even they can see it. Mighty Astra Series (MK1-110 KM, MK2-160 KM, MK3-340 KM range) can finish them off from long distance.
 
The one area where MWF shall be ahead of all planes is weapon. It will have French, European, Israeli, Russian and Indian weapon options. In short weapons from all major sources excluding US and China (Do not fall in sophisticated weapon category). India uses all of them. ASRAAM, Mica, Meteor, R 37, R 73, Python V, Derby, I-Derby, Astra MK1, Mk2, MK3, Sudarshan, Gaurav, Spice, Hammer etc. Everything India using now except Astra Mk3 still under development.
 
2 generation behind Mig 21and 5 generation behind Jf 17 which BD intends to buy.

Why mention Bangladesh and hijack the thread with an off-topic comment?

I was asking a simple question and a simple answer would have sufficed.

We know Bangladesh does not stand a chance against mighty Indian Airforce and its collection of Brahmastra, Varunastra etc.
 
Why mention Bangladesh and hijack the thread with an off-topic comment?

I was asking a simple question and a simple answer would have sufficed.

We know Bangladesh does not stand a chance against mighty Indian Airforce and its collection of Brahmastra, Varunastra etc.

Because you asked whether it is 2nd generation or 2.5 generation. Which country produces 2nd generation plane today? Can you name one? You attempted an sarcasm and I took it forward.
 
MWF will counter Pakistani Jf17, Chinese J10, J11 etc. It my counter Chinese j20 Stealth fighter as well. So it is very interesting to evaluate the conflicts scenario of medium weight fighter with various Chinese and Pakistani fighters including f-16.

Let us start with JF17. In BVR engagement,

JF 17 with matel skin and not design with stealth in mind has a higher RCS of around 1 to 2 square metre while the medium weight fighter will have a frontal RCS of 0.1 square metre. Let us assume that by the time Pakistan operates JF 17 block 3 with chinese KL J7 A radar and India will operate mwf with Uttam MK 2 radar with 980 TR modules. So MWF fighter can detect JF 17 from at least 200 km distance while kLJ 17 cannot detect MWF at a distance of over 80 km. This gives MWF an out right advantage of over 100 KM of first detection. MWF can see JF17 at least 100 KM before JF 17 can see medium weight fighter. With the BVRs like Astra Mk1, MK 2, MK3, Russian R77, R37, R27 etc it can engage JF7 from a very long distance of 150 km while JF 17 can not engage mwf distance of over 60 to 70 km. Here mwf has a clear advantage. There is absolutely no comparison or competition at all in BVR combat. In WVR engagement, JF 17 can at least see MWF and try to fire short range Chinese missile at MWF. However, because of superior agility, higher trust engine and state of our infrared Seeker missiles like ASRAAM, Python V, MWF can easily shoot down JF17. MWF with superior EW suit, can not only jam Chinese short range missilesmissiles but also target it very easily with Israeli and European missiles which are best in their class. India possesses all of them. There is absolutely no fare engagement so far as JF 17 and MWF is concern. Only F 16 will have some chances against medium made fighter which we will see later on. It will be advisable for Pakistan not to sent JF 17 to engage MWF. Scenario of J10 will be and large similar. Both Chinese fighters will decisively be outclassed by MWF.
 
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Absolutely. They assemble the Russian Yakhont and named it Brahmastra etc.

And are selling it to countries like the Phillippines. Until the Filipinos find out how questionable the quality is, all will be fine.

The story keeps repeating of Indian products like the "Dhruv" helis they sold to Ecuador, another debacle. No one will be buying Indian products in South America any more, especially armaments or fighting platforms.

Since 2009, four of the seven helicopters had succumbed to accidents, resulting in the death of three Ecuadorian Airforce personnel.

Just shameless of Indians to sell these helis when Indians knew how bad these are. As of 2016, the Indian Air Force (IAF) had also grounded its Dhruv fleet three times because of technical issues.


India assembles Russian missile and sells it to other country because Russia itself can not do that. That is what you want to say?
 
So far as J 10 is concern, MWF with Uttam MK2 with 980 TR module will be be able to detect J 10 from about 170 to 200 k.m of range. MWF with 0.1 Sq meter frontal RCS can be detected by KLJ 7A from a distance of 60 k.m. In case loaded with 6 to 8 missiles both planes can detect each other from a longer distance say above 200 k.m. by MWF and about 120 K.M by J 10. In that scenario, MWF will have atleast 60 to 100 K.M. Advantage of first see an first shoot. There is no competition here. MWF Shall be an out right winner.

If the planes are managed to come closer, say less than 80 k.m. (With load) , J10 can fire PL-15. MWF will have multiple options of firing R 37, R27, I derby, Astra Mk1 and Astra MkII (Not Astra Mk III as it would have been fire when J 10 was 150 to 200 k.m. away) and detected by MWF radar Uttam. Here both the planes will have some chance to fire missile but because of lower RCS and superior EW, chances of survival of MWF are far batter. However, here J 10 will have some chances unlike when they were 120 k.m apart where J10 had no chance.

WVR combat: If both the planes are managed to come closer, to say 25 k.m. distance or bellow, both the planes can fire WVR missile. India does not have its own WVR missile yet but India operates world's top class WVR missiles including ASRAAM, MICA, Python V, and R73. however, both the planes will have some chances but MWF has far superior WVR missile and batter EW to dodge PL -8 (outdated)and PL-10 (Good one). MWF has batter chances of survival.

If both the planes comes further close to a dog fight distance, MWF will prevail over J10 A and B because of superior maneuverability.

However, with J10 C with TVC can change the equation. J10 C with superior maneuverability can prevail over MWF in dog fight. J 10 C will have an edge.

Whatever I have written for J 10 C is by and large true for J 11.

Overall , MWF will dominate by a big margin. J 10 and J11 will have a little chance to survive against MWF. It will be batter for China to not send J10 and J11 to mess against MWF. The only option China will have shall be J20. I shall discuss that later.
 
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So far as J 10 is concern, MWF with Uttam MK2 with 980 TR module will be be able to detect J 10 from about 170 to 200 k.m of range. MWF with 0.1 Sq meter RCS can be detected by KLJ 7A from a distance of 60 k.m. In case loaded with 6 to 8 missiles both planes can detect each other from a longer distance say above 200 k.m. by MWF and about 120 K.M by J 10. In that scenario, MWF will have atleast 60 to 100 K.M. Advantage of first see an first shoot. There is no competition here. MWF Shall be an out right winner.

If the planes are managed to come closer, say less than 80 k.m. (With load) , J10 can fire PL-15. MWF will have multiple options of firing R 37, R27, I derby, Astra Mk1 and Astra MkII (Not Astra Mk III as it would have been fire when J 10 was 150 to 200 k.m. away and detected by MWF radar Uttam. Here both the planes will have some chance to fire missile but because of lower RCS and superior EW, chances of survival of MWF are far batter. However, here J 10 will have some chances unlike 120 k.m distance where J10 had no chance.

WVR combat: If both the planes are managed to come closer, to say 25 k.m. distance or bellow, both the planes can fire WVR missile. India does not have its own WVR missile yet but India operates world's top class WVR missiles including ASRAAM, MICA, Python V, and R73. however, both the planes will have some chances but India has far superior WVR missile and MWF has for batter EW to dodge PL -8 outdated and PL-10 (Good one). MWF has batter chances of survival.

If both the planes comes further close to a dog fight distance, MWF will prevail over J10 A and B.

However, with J10 C with TVC can change the equation. J10 C with superior maneuverability can prevail over MWF in dog fight. J 10 C will have an edge.

Whatever I have written for J 10 C is by and large true for J 11.

Overall , MWF will dominate by a big margin. J 10 and J11 will have a little chance to survive against MWF. It will be batter for China to not send J10 and J11 to mess against MWF. The only option China will have shall be J20. I shall discuss that later.
No need to write volumes extolling Indian armed platforms and bad-mouthing Chinese ones.

We will see during an actual conflict how good Indian missiles and armed platforms are versus Chinese ones. Get ready for the inevitable.
 
No need to write volumes extolling Indian armed platforms and bad-mouthing Chinese ones.

We will see during an actual conflict how good Indian missiles and armed platforms are versus Chinese ones. Get ready for the inevitable.

There is a good likelihood that it may happen as Pakistan too has acquired J10. BD is planning to have it. In case of Pakistan, war may last for maximum 3 days. In case of BD, 12 hours max. In case of China, it may last long if atall China dares to go to war with India.
 
There is a good likelihood that it may happen as Pakistan too has acquired J10. BD is planning to have it. In case of Pakistan, war may last for maximum 3 days. In case of BD, 12 hours max. In case of China, it may last long if atall China dares to go to war with India.

I will inform the PRC brother we have here (@Jiangnan brother) to inform the CCP high command that India dared China to go to war with it. They may be shaking in their boots already, who knows. Hoooo! 🥶🥴

In Bangladesh we are just frozen and paralyzed with fear about this dire prospect, don't know about Pakistan.

We have already increased manufacture of disposable adult diapers tenfold in Bangladesh - we will need tons of them in case Indians attack us. ....

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There is a good likelihood that it may happen as Pakistan too has acquired J10. BD is planning to have it. In case of Pakistan, war may last for maximum 3 days. In case of BD, 12 hours max. In case of China, it may last long if atall China dares to go to war with India.
Krishna with Flute is the reincarnation of China's Sun Tzu :p
 
I will inform the PRC brother we have here (@Jiangnan brother) to inform the CCP high command that India dared China to go to war with it. They may be shaking in their boots already, who knows. Hoooo! 🥶🥴

In Bangladesh we are just frozen and paralyzed with fear about this dire prospect, don't know about Pakistan.

We have already increased manufacture of adult diapers tenfold in Bangladesh - we will need tons of them in case Indians attack us. ....

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India and China confronted atleast 3 time since 2014. Chumar, Doklam and in Galwan. There is no need to repeat what happened. I have posted a Chinese video of what Chinese think and the comment of Chinese people on China backtracking from Galwan. You can watch it. India is not powerful enough to defeat China but India is very much capable of defending itself in Himalayas, Bay of Bengal, Indian ocean and Arabian sea. Even look at our diplomacy. What happened to CPEC? What happened to 60 BN USD investment of China in Pakistan? That is how capable we are.

Recently, China bagged for friendship and wrote a letter to our president saying that Dragon and Elephant can dance together. We have not begged for any friendship. Bottom line is that Neither India is as weak as you think, nor China is as powerful as you think. The language what you speak today was spoken by Pakistani posters on old PDF and Media. Now their voices have changed totally after seeing the situation of Pakistan. It is a matter of time when you and @Saif change their opinion which will be realistic in nature.

 
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Recently, Indian army Stated that Appache Choppers are not very effective in Himalayas. Only LCH (Derivative of ALH-Dhruv) is the most suitable chopper for high altitude operations. This gives India an edge in High Mountain terrain. China cannot operate its own choppers at this height neither Pakistan can do that. Only India has capability which will further be enhanced with HAL 1200 KW engine.
We humans usually believe that. India is the 'Number One in the Universe'. Indians can use their mouths to shoot down Chinese helicopters on Mount Everest.

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We humans must acknowledge. India is the NO.1 in the universe. After the Indian Air Force shot down over 2000➕ Indian fighter jets. The Indian Air Force announced that it will shoot down all Chinese "J fighter jets".

Although the Indian Air Force has great confidence in Indian fighter jets. But 3 days ago. The Indian Air Force announced the purchase of 26 Rafale fighter jets from France.

3 days ago.

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The Indian mouth and Indian brain must have gone through a fierce battle.
 
We humans must acknowledge. India is the NO.1 in the universe. After the Indian Air Force shot down over 2000➕ Indian fighter jets. The Indian Air Force announced that it will shoot down all Chinese "J fighter jets".

Although the Indian Air Force has great confidence in Indian fighter jets. But 3 days ago. The Indian Air Force announced the purchase of 26 Rafale fighter jets from France.

3 days ago.

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The Indian mouth and Indian brain must have gone through a fierce battle.

Waste of good Rupees - is what I say.

But - their money, their call.
 
Guys let's lay off the off-topic flaming, ethnic-bashing and finger-pointing - I had to lock the thread temporarily.

Let's cool down and understand why we are here, to discuss defence topics and inform others.

We can bad mouth each other all day, it won't change any status quo.
 
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