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I could have agreed with you if India could stop sponsoring insurgencies in Chittagong Hill Tracts and stop border killings.

Its not really important that members on an anonymous forum agree with each other or not.

But the realities.

Which is that India in not interested in fostering new arms races in its region, where none are really needed.

Also, as has been seen historically, in the distant past from 1971 and more recently with the Rohingya exodus, any armed conflict in the region will result in an exodus of refugees into India.

That is something India would like to avoid peacefully as far as is possible.
 
Remember, the only countries that win from an arms race are those not inside the perimeter of fire and supplying the weaponry keeping their own industries and economies robust.
 
Also, as has been seen historically, in the distant past from 1971 and more recently with the Rohingya exodus, any armed conflict in the region will result in an exodus of refugees into India.

That is something India would like to avoid peacefully as far as is possible.
Bangladesh is the worst victim of insurgencies in Myanmar. 1.2 million Rohingya have taken refuge in Bangladesh. How many Rohingya have taken refuge in India?
 
BD has no capability to produce any weapons which can have an Impact in war. Tell me which Modern weapons does BD produces in BD? Plane, Howitzers, Submarines, Modern Ship, Any Air-to-Air Missile, Any BMD, SAM system, Tank, Armored vehicle? I am Curious to know any weapon produce by BD indigenously?
We mostly produce small arms at Bangladesh Ordnance Factory in Gazipur. We got technology transfer from China, Austria, and Russia. There is a plan to produce armored personnel carriers (the hull and the engine), MANPADS and ATGM (anti tank guided missiles). Our navy produces patrol craft, Large patrol craft, oil tanker, Auxiliary ships. Other projects that have been taken up by the navy are: 6 high performance frigates, 6 heavy offshore patrol vessels, 4 corvettes, and missile boats. Bangladesh air force has produced BBT2--a basic trainer.
 
We mostly produce small arms at Bangladesh Ordnance Factory in Gazipur. We got technology transfer from China, Austria, and Russia. There is a plan to produce armored personnel carriers (the hull and the engine), MANPADS and ATGM (anti tank guided missiles). Our navy produces patrol craft, Large patrol craft, oil tanker, Auxiliary ships. Other projects that have been taken up by the navy are: 6 high performance frigates, 6 heavy offshore patrol vessels, 4 corvettes, and missile boats. Bangladesh air force has produced BBT2--a basic trainer.

I agree with you so far as Naval ships is concern. BD has a good capability in small ship building. So far as MANPAD and ATGM is concern, it might be an assembly. It is not easy to make various seekers used in missile and also the rocket motors. Even if BD starts assembling it, it can be a humble beginning. This knowhow can later be built upon to improve the capability. However, for that, one need robust engineering and technological collages, research institutions and research Labs. This is a long time project which requires long time commitment of resources.
In my opinion, Spiritualism is the base of every good thing in society i.e Peace, Prosperity, upliftment etc. . Like what we have seen in India, where a boy/girl comes from a very humble background and rises to highest level of any reputed institution/ center of excellence. We do not see that happening with other youngsters in other countries. BD being a Muslim country has certain limitation. It is very difficult for people to grow beyond certain level if he or she is bought up in Islamist culture. BD has a rich Bengali culture, but this advantage is by and large nullified by Islam in BD. This is true for many other Islamic nations like Pakistan, Syria, Iraq, Iran etc.
 
I agree with you so far as Naval ships is concern. BD has a good capability in small ship building. So far as MANPAD and ATGM is concern, it might be an assembly. It is not easy to make various seekers used in missile and also the rocket motors. Even if BD starts assembling it, it can be a humble beginning. This knowhow can later be built upon to improve the capability. However, for that, one need robust engineering and technological collages, research institutions and research Labs. This is a long time project which requires long time commitment of resources.
In my opinion, Spiritualism is the base of every good thing in society i.e Peace, Prosperity, upliftment etc. . Like what we have seen in India, where a boy/girl comes from a very humble background and rises to highest level of any reputed institution/ center of excellence. We do not see that happening with other youngsters in other countries. BD being a Muslim country has certain limitation. It is very difficult for people to grow beyond certain level if he or she is bought up in Islamist culture. BD has a rich Bengali culture, but this advantage is by and large nullified by Islam in BD. This is true for many other Islamic nations like Pakistan, Syria, Iraq, Iran etc.
Half of your response was off topic. As for MANPADS and ATGMs, we got the technology from China. It is the production plant that is being established in our country not assembly plant.
 
The new place

Just the same as the old place ?

C'mon people, we can discuss contentious delicate issues without the tutty slinging...

But this requires both the person making a point about the other, and the person on the receiving end.

Batsmen, bowlers... pls playing within zentelman rulej.
 
The new place

Just the same as the old place ?

C'mon people, we can discuss contentious delicate issues without the tutty slinging...

But this requires both the person making a point about the other, and the person on the receiving end.

Batsmen, bowlers... pls playing within zentelman rulej.

There will be religious flame baiting no matter where you go. Every social platform on earth has it. As for @Vsdoc There are flamebaiting coming from both Hindus and Muslims here but they are free to express their views.
 
Ye bhi theek hai, k jo dil me ho, bolo khul ke.

Magar, bhot nafrat hai, to matt hi bolo.

Real life me bhi hota hai, yaar. You see something, but zubaan, harkat pe lagaam laga ke we let it pass.

Unless of course, it's egregious beyond all limit.

But then wahan pe bhi it all boils down to how much you can take.

Clearly defined limit set karo then.

I'm good with a free for all, as is @Vsdoc I'm quite sure.

Your turn.

Saif has been pretty tolerate with other view points. As as @Krishna with Flute

I've only seen @Vsdoc and @Bilal9 get a little infuriated.
 
Let me be blunt. Since you don't seem to get it, and neither does @Saif

Since we are ok with freedom of speech and "truths" about religion

Is it ok if a Hindu (or a non Muslim) retorts rhat pedophilia and legitimate marital guise prostitution is "a fundamental part of Islam"?

Will the atmosphere here not get vitiated?

What did Saif say that equates to those claims other than mentioning the caste system?

And, as per the forum policy rules, which I've read, you are allowed to mention these 'statements'.
 

Many in Bangladesh Oppose Proposed Defense Pact With India​

April 06, 2017 9:00 PM​

FILE - Bangladeshi Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina speaks at a news conference in Budapest, Hungary, Nov. 29, 2016. Leaders of the opposition Bangladesh Nationalist Party have accused the Hasina-led government of not making public details of an agreement she's set to sign with India.'s set to sign with India.

FILE - Bangladeshi Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina speaks at a news conference in Budapest, Hungary, Nov. 29, 2016. Leaders of the opposition Bangladesh Nationalist Party have accused the Hasina-led government of not making public details of an agreement she's set to sign with India.

New Delhi and Dhaka are set to sign an umbrella agreement to increase defense cooperation during Bangladesh Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina's four-day visit to India, which begins Friday.

All deals would be struck maintaining the friendly terms between the two countries, and there will be nothing detrimental to the interests of Bangladesh in the agreement, Hasina said Wednesday in Dhaka.

But many security experts, diplomats and others in Bangladesh think the proposed agreement would not benefit Bangladesh and could even go against the country's interests.

"Bangladesh does not need a defense pact with India, or for that matter with any other country, because it does not face any threat of external aggression from any of its neighbors," Serajul Islam, a former Bangladeshi diplomat, told VOA. "With China, a sworn enemy of India, Bangladesh has been in defense-related cooperation for decades. If Bangladesh signs such a defense pact [with India], it would be viewed by Beijing as a deal directed against it."

Where are the details?

Leaders of the opposition Bangladesh Nationalist Party accused the Hasina-led government of not making public details of the agreement.

"From whatever we have learned from the media, it appears Indian policymakers are coercing Bangladesh government to sign the agreement," BNP Joint Secretary General Ruhul Kabir Rizvi Ahmed told VOA. "The submission by the Bangladesh government to this Indian coercion has triggered an uneasiness and suspicion among people in the country."

Bangladesh has long had a defense cooperation agreement with China, which is the country's largest military hardware supplier. With Chinese collaboration, Bangladesh also has been producing small arms and weapons for many years.

FILE - Bangladesh Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina is pictured with Chinese President Xi Jinping in Dhaka, Bangladesh, Oct. 14, 2016. During Xi's visit, the two countries signed agreements calling for, among other things, billions of dollars of Chinese investment in infrastructure and energy projects.'s visit, the two countries signed agreements calling for, among other things, billions of dollars of Chinese investment in infrastructure and energy projects.
FILE - Bangladesh Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina is pictured with Chinese President Xi Jinping in Dhaka, Bangladesh, Oct. 14, 2016. During Xi's visit, the two countries signed agreements calling for, among other things, billions of dollars of Chinese investment in infrastructure and energy projects.

In recent years, India has been trying to counter China's growing influence in the region.

Soon after Chinese President Xi Jinping visited Dhaka in October, signing 27 deals amounting to $25 billion, India reportedly began pushing Bangladesh for an umbrella agreement.

After India's Defense Minister Manohar Parikkar visited Bangladesh in December, and then other senior Indian foreign and defense ministry officials made trips to India pursuing the issue, it came to light that Dhaka and New Delhi were set to sign an umbrella agreement.

35 deals

According to sketchy details of the pact, Bangladesh would sign up to 35 agreements and memoranda of understanding during Hasina's visit.

The deals would include, among others, an increase in trade, cooperation on nuclear energy, distribution of water from common rivers and expansion of military cooperation, Bangladesh Foreign Minister Abul Hasan Mahmood Ali said this week.

As part of the umbrella accord, India is expected to offer Bangladesh a $5 billion line of credit to develop infrastructure and purchase military hardware. Quoting anonymous sources, several Bangladeshi news agencies have reported that India will be mostly focused on the defense pact during Hasina's visit.

India is pushing ahead with the agreement largely to counter China's expanding military influence in Bangladesh, said professor Rajagopal Dhar Chakraborti, director of the Center for South & South East Asian Studies at the University of Calcutta.

FILE - Bangladesh’s Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi hold a location map of Indian Economic Zones during an agreement program in Dhaka, Bangladesh, June 6, 2015.
FILE - Bangladesh’s Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi hold a location map of Indian Economic Zones during an agreement program in Dhaka, Bangladesh, June 6, 2015.

"India wants Bangladesh to buy Indian military hardware and thus become less dependent on China. India wants to enter the defense market in Bangladesh, preferably through a long-term pact, aiming to cut down on China's share there," Chakraborti told VOA.

The India-Bangladesh umbrella agreement also seeks to set up joint military production in Bangladesh.

A Bangladeshi security analyst, retired Major General A.L.M. Fazlur Rahman, said a joint venture with India, apparently to produce small arms and light heavy weapons, would not help Bangladeshi militarily.

Needs would be unmet

"Since the 1970s, following the liberation of our country, our army have been using mostly Chinese-made small arms and light heavy weapons. We have also been producing arms in our ordnance factory in Bangladesh in collaboration with China, using the same world-class Chinese technology. India's military technology is not yet world-class standard, and it happens to be an arms-importing country," Rahman told VOA.

"Setting up of a joint venture armament factory with India will certainly produce low-grade weaponry and will not at all help meet the advanced needs of Bangladesh army," he said. "As an old trusted friend, China supplies 90 percent of Bangladesh's military hardware needs and is set to invest massively in our country. If Bangladesh signs this agreement with India, we may lose this friend and become weak."

On the other hand, Bangladesh can continue to remain a good neighbor of India, even without signing this strategically sensitive agreement, Rahman said.

"Bangladesh should not do anything which makes it lose a friend like China and become dependent solely on India," he said.​

BD seems to be following the same Path which Pakistan started following more than a decade ago. They planned CPEC and other military cooperation. Nothing among this realized ever except Pakistan ended up in a debt trap. Subsequently, SL tried to do that. When they fell in China's debt trap and help from IMF was not sufficient to come out of that debt trap, India helped SL with 4 BN USD help. Using Indian help, SL could manage to survive its economy from going to Bankruptcy. In post Hasina era, BD seems to be going closure to China. Let us hope that BD doesn't end up in a situation in which Pakistan and SL ended up.
 

বাংলাদেশ-ভারত সেনাপ্রধানের প্রথম ভার্চুয়াল বৈঠক


 
I don't believe a word coming out from the mouth of this guy. He is an imbecile.

ভারত-বাংলাদেশ সেনাপ্রধানদের জরুরি ভিডিও বৈঠকের আলোচনা ফাঁস

 
I think India has a grand plan to portray Bangladesh as a land of Islamic extremists. If we fail to prove India wrong, the Indian army may invade Bangladesh with an excuse of protecting the Hindus in Bangladesh.


বাংলাদেশের সেনাপ্রধানের সাথে হঠাৎ ভারতীয় সেনাপ্রধানের ভিডিও কল কিসের ইঙ্গিত ?

 

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