[🇮🇷] Iranian Chill Corner

[ThunderCat]

Free slave labor bro......you know it.

Seems more like an Ummah syndrome to me. I'm guess Shia and Tajik Afghans are the most welcome in Iran.

 

[ThunderCat]

Iranian weapons have turned Ukraine into rubble. I bet the IRGC is exporting billions in arms to Russia and to be honest many other countries like even India don't got jack shitt to export to Russia except 155mm arty rounds or best their Pinaka guided MBRL. Only the astute will understand this comment. The other more important issue arming Russia will incur the wrath of the western powers. In other words, India can't do it.

Somebody on the old forum mentioned that Indian missiles exported to Armenia were a disaster in the 2020 Karabakh war. However Germany seems interested in Indian firearms for Ukraine.

 

[Lulldapull]

Seems more like an Ummah syndrome to me. I'm guess Shia and Tajik Afghans are the most welcome in Iran.

Millions of Afghani/ Pakistani pashto/ Balochi too now in Iran. Check da YouTube vidz! Carorron udher ghuns gaey hain…..sooner or later hum nay Iran per bhee qabza kar lena hae….inshallah!…..

 

[ThunderCat]

Millions of Afghani/ Pakistani pashto/ Balochi too now in Iran. Check da YouTube vidz! Carorron udher ghuns gaey hain…..sooner or later hum nay Iran per bhee qabza kar lena hae….inshallah!…..

Most Pakistani refugees in Iran don't want to live there probably. Most as a transit zone to Europe. But who knows.

 

[Lulldapull]

Most Pakistani refugees in Iran don't want to live there probably. Most as a transit zone to Europe. But who knows.

Yaar turkey/ Iran border sealed now…..aagay jaana taqreeban namumkin. Irani allow our ghareeb to stay as long as they want as long as they got some money. Middle class Pakistani log living in Iran now. All you need is $250k and they give you 10 year renewable visa. Ghar/ Karobar farokht kar k they go over there and apply for the visa process…..millions of Pakistani and afghani now living in Iran. UAE has $500k min deposit, Iran has 250k deposit for residency visa.

 

[ThunderCat]

Yaar turkey/ Iran border sealed now…..aagay jaana taqreeban namumkin. Irani allow our ghareeb to stay as long as they want as long as they got some money. Middle class Pakistani log living in Iran now. All you need is $250k and they give you 10 year renewable visa. Ghar/ Karobar farokht kar k they go over there and apply for the visa process…..millions of Pakistani and afghani now living in Iran. UAE has $500k min deposit, Iran has 250k deposit for residency visa.

Turkiye also welcomes Pakistani investment and tourists for it's economy. Around the same amount as UAE to give citizenship.

 

[Lulldapull]

Turkiye also welcomes Pakistani investment and tourists for it's economy. Around the same amount as UAE to give citizenship.

Our people are going to Iran now and on youtube. There are many channels like this one. GCC is deporting our people specially our ghareeb if they can't find work and Dubai is getting expensive:

 

[ThunderCat]

Our people are going to Iran now and on youtube. There are many channels like this one. GCC is deporting our people specially our ghareeb if they can't find work and Dubai is getting expensive:

Very few of our people go to Iran compared to GCC. Most of our people who go are Shia pilgrims.

GCC have always been deporting South Asian illegals. I remember seeing one such deportation in 1996.

 

[LegionnairE]

Yaar turkey/ Iran border sealed now…

Unfortunately, that's not true. Turkey's border security is a joke.

 

[Lulldapull]

Unfortunately, that's not true. Turkey's border security is a joke.

Remember that boat capsized killing 350 Pakistani migrants off of southern Greece. The border security very tight now. Poor people forced to go to Libya from Pakistan, Iraq, Afghanistan and Bangladesh and take a dangerous boat to go to Italy. Just few days ago another boat sank going from Libya to Italy killing 60 people.

 

[ThunderCat]

Unfortunately, that's not true. Turkey's border security is a joke.

I don't think they need security at this time of the year. All that snow...

 

[Lulldapull]

Situation in Pakistan has to be improved. This level of immigration can not be sustained.

Its mismanagement and corruption. Nobody wants to take ownership nor accountability. This is our biggest problem. Iran's slowly taking us over economically, just like they did with Iraq/ Syria/ Lebanon/ Yemen/ Afghanistan and it took em 20/ 30 years to do it. ......I hope turkey comes into play and create some sorta balance here......We're in trouble and caught between lots of competing regional powers. I'd much rather Iran and Turkey get involved in our management than our dreaded enemy to the east. You don't understand........India is a huge threat to us and all they want is to revert us.

 

[Lulldapull]

Pakistan has double the population of Iran and a much stronger military. This is embarrassing.

They got us on da $18 billion penalty on da pipeline. As is they selling us $3 billion per year in oil n gas via smuggling. They running our balochistan for us, cuz we can't. We don't got da resources. Gwader is 100% dependent on Iranian electric power/ water/ oil n gas/ food/ smuggling etc. Soon Sindh province will be too under their total sway. China doing $20/ $30 billion annual trade with Iran. China barely does $3 billion in trade with Pakistan. I mean.....what do we say here? For China we are just an anti-India proxy, but da Irani's are an economic partner. You know who is more important for China.

 

[Lulldapull]

Of course Pakistan is more important for China

Bro at the end of da day.....its all about da money......Money trumps everything! China just uses us as an anti-India proxy. Once the politics change (and believe me they will), they'll drop us like a hot potato. Just like how da US has dropped us in favor of India. That's why I keep sayin......our future lies with Iran n Turkey, cuz we culturally/ ethnically da same.

 

[ThunderCat]

Its mismanagement and corruption. Nobody wants to take ownership nor accountability. This is our biggest problem. Iran's slowly taking us over economically, just like they did with Iraq/ Syria/ Lebanon/ Yemen/ Afghanistan and it took em 20/ 30 years to do it. ......I hope turkey comes into play and create some sorta balance here......We're in trouble and caught between lots of competing regional powers. I'd much rather Iran and Turkey get involved in our management than our dreaded enemy to the east. You don't understand........India is a huge threat to us and all they want is to revert us.

It is overpopulation. We have way too many people. Even worse situation in India and Bangladesh because of this.

 

[Aryobarzan]

Iranian New Year (Norouz) approaching in three days (March 21)..

400 million people around the world celebrate this cultural event marking the arrival of Spring and re-juvenation of the nature.

My wish for this year's Norouz is to see this happen in the coming year..

Wishing for a "mullah free" Iran...soon.

 

[ThunderCat]

Iranian New Year (Norouz) approaching in three days (March 21)..

400 million people around the world celebrate this cultural event marking the arrival of Spring and re-juvenation of the nature.
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My wish for this year's Norouz is to see this happen in the coming year..
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Wishing for a "mullah free" Iran...soon.

Israel is the key to that. By supporting Israel in defeating the Ayatollah regime, Iran will be free and a revolution there might inspire Pakistanis to do the same. And maybe even others.

Another Middle Eastern spring.

 

[Old School]

Israel is the key to that. By supporting Israel in defeating the Ayatollah regime, Iran will be free and a revolution there might inspire Pakistanis to do the same. And maybe even others.

Another Middle Eastern spring.

Afghanistan needs to become secular first either by multifront invasion or another way. Once there is a revolution in Iran, it will also trigger a domino effect in Pakistan. First, We need to support MBS to crack down hard on the Wahabis in Saudi and then pressure Qatar to stop spending petrodollars behind all foreign fundamentalist groups and Pakistani madrassas. Fixing Qatar will also help Turkey to overthrow Erdogan and install a secular regime while cutting ties to all foreign fundamentalists. Then India must have a socialist/secular government. Russia/China must stop supporting Ayatullah too.

 

[Aryobarzan]

Afghanistan needs to become secular first either by multifront invasion or another way. Once there is a revolution in Iran, it will also trigger a domino effect in Pakistan. First, We need to support MBS to crack down hard on the Wahabis in Saudi and then pressure Qatar to stop spending petrodollars behind all foreign fundamentalist groups and Pakistani madrassas. Fixing Qatar will also help Turkey to overthrow Erdogan and install a secular regime while cutting ties to all foreign fundamentalists. Then India must have a socialist/secular government. Russia/China must stop supporting Ayatullah too.

Mullahs of Iran, Taliban of Afghanistan and Wahhabis of Saudi Arabia..three dark forces that collectively have destroyed Islam in the eyes of faithful and the world...Pakistan has been lucky to be spared the worst of it directly but has been badly affected by all three dark forces influence peddling...
Secular governance is the key to progress in all these countries but easier said than done...these dark forces will savagely resist losing power ...MBS impressed me by doing it via $$$$ ..Iran and Afganistan will be bloody affair ..my recommendation for Pakistan...look for a strong and rich military man to guide you towards progress..if he is rich he will be less corrupt...we in Iran have 300,000 mullahs ..lazy, corrupt, uneducated, never worked in their life hungry for wealth all of them theives sucking $$$ of Iran before the party is over ...

 

[Old School]

Mullahs of Iran, Taliban of Afghanistan and Wahhabis of Saudi Arabia..three dark forces that collectively have destroyed Islam in the eyes of faithful and the world...Pakistan has been lucky to be spared the worst of it directly but has been badly affected by all three dark forces influence peddling...
Secular governance is the key to progress in all these countries but easier said than done...these dark forces will savagely resist losing power ...MBS impressed me by doing it via $$$$ ..Iran and Afganistan will be bloody affair ..my recommendation for Pakistan...look for a strong and rich military man to guide you towards progress..if he is rich he will be less corrupt...we in Iran have 300,000 mullahs ..lazy, corrupt, uneducated, never worked in their life hungry for wealth all of them theives sucking $$$ of Iran before the party is over ...

We no longer have Pakistani military officers with rich backgrounds as they now all originally come from the middle class. then they become rich while serving. The middle class Pakistanis are the core supporters of the military rule for the obvious reasons as the military overwhelmingly represents this class. The colonial military elites doesn’t exist anymore. The dumb Soviets destroyed this secular pro western elites by promoting the middle class during the cold war with their petro Ruble. Earlier, when General Ayub Khan became pro Moscow, he was also swiftly overthrown by the pro western military which later led to the civil war of 1971 and East Pakistan became Bangladesh as Soviets didn’t accept a pro western government so close to their borders. Pakistan is the most difficult country to fix due to very high illiteracy with such a big population.

 

[Lulldapull]

Gents that MBS is pretty smart. He figured it out after a good decade or so that he's being played by the US like a gullible tribal. It took him a couple hundred billion wasting money in Yemen and another few hundred billion wasting it in the Sy-Raaq that he ain't goin win and the best thing to do is to not do what the US is telling him to do..... .......It's rare that leaders learn from their mistakes, but he seems to have done the impossible. Now there is no more drama between him and Irani's. MBS has basically told Biden, that you wanna go fight da Irani mulla, bhai......you are most welcome, but you go do it yourself and don't involve us.......lol

 

[Ario]

Israel is the key to that. By supporting Israel in defeating the Ayatollah regime, Iran will be free and a revolution there might inspire Pakistanis to do the same. And maybe even others.

Another Middle Eastern spring.

it Is typical of a Turks to side with Israel the same way Erdogan helping Israel to kill Palestinian. If anything the Iranian people need to standup and take the land without any foreign intervention. We Iranian have a different mindset and mentality when it comes to some random strangers trying to teach us how to live our life than you are wrong arkadaš but seems Turks are ok of having some foreigners dictating to them about what do or not. Having a foreign military bases in the country is big shame for us Iranian and I guess it is not much for the Turks. Your response to lulldapull reagarding being something else was very arrogant. I went to Turkey and found majority of people being superficial and money grabber.. if there is a country in the ME that you should not trust It is Turkey. When a spring in Turkey to get rid of Erdogan and his son?

 

[Lulldapull]

it Is typical of a Turks to side with Israel the same way Erdogan helping Israel to kill Palestinian. If anything the Iranian people need to standup and take the land without any foreign intervention. We Iranian have a different mindset and mentality when it comes to some random strangers trying to teach us how to live our life than you are wrong arkadaš but seems Turks are ok of having some foreigners dictating to them about what do or not. Having a foreign military bases in the country is big shame for us Iranian and I guess it is not much for the Turks. Your response to lulldapull reagarding being something else was very arrogant. I went to Turkey and found majority of people being superficial and money grabber.. if there is a country in the ME that you should not trust It is Turkey. When a spring in Turkey to get rid of Erdogan and his son?

Bro Iran is totally on a different level than Pakistan or Turkey who depend on da west for survival. I mean if the ECB/ IMF/ WB stop da funding.....both those countries wouldn't last a few months. We all know this......The same if not worse for their military's. Look at Ukraine.....$250 billion and counting later and da Russians have turned their entire country into a pile of smoldering rubble. All conventional warfare that we knew has been turned on its head. No body wants F-35 or Su-35 or F-22 anymore and they don't want de Leopard tank or da Abrams or da PAC-2/3 nor da THAAD, cuz everyone's figured out its all billion dollar junk. Russia/ China/ Iran have shamelessly dismantled da west and its very sad. I'm scared for my poor country Pakistan because now we are in financial ruin and millions of our good/ simple/ humble people are in the crossfire. I just want my poor people to survive this 5th gen hybrid warfare.

 

[ThunderCat]

it Is typical of a Turks to side with Israel the same way Erdogan helping Israel to kill Palestinian. If anything the Iranian people need to standup and take the land without any foreign intervention. We Iranian have a different mindset and mentality when it comes to some random strangers trying to teach us how to live our life than you are wrong arkadaš but seems Turks are ok of having some foreigners dictating to them about what do or not. Having a foreign military bases in the country is big shame for us Iranian and I guess it is not much for the Turks. Your response to lulldapull reagarding being something else was very arrogant. I went to Turkey and found majority of people being superficial and money grabber.. if there is a country in the ME that you should not trust It is Turkey. When a spring in Turkey to get rid of Erdogan and his son?

I don't entirely disagree. I have always opposed bombing Iran as that would de-stabilize the whole region and even the world. Not to mention innocent civilians could be hurt/killed. It could even result in World War III.

The solution is to support Iranian freedom fighters inside Iran and help them overthrow the mullah regime and terminate the nuclear weapons program.

Such a revolution would also inspire Pakistanis and maybe even Arab states.

 

[ThunderCat]

Afghanistan needs to become secular first either by multifront invasion or another way. Once there is a revolution in Iran, it will also trigger a domino effect in Pakistan. First, We need to support MBS to crack down hard on the Wahabis in Saudi and then pressure Qatar to stop spending petrodollars behind all foreign fundamentalist groups and Pakistani madrassas. Fixing Qatar will also help Turkey to overthrow Erdogan and install a secular regime while cutting ties to all foreign fundamentalists. Then India must have a socialist/secular government. Russia/China must stop supporting Ayatullah too.

I don't see the Russian Federation ending support to the Ayatollahs anytime soon. They are long-term allies and they are dependent on Iran now more than ever.

 

[Aryobarzan]

Another day, another F*cking corrupt mullah ..Stole $100 million dollars property from the state and receives $ 33K monthly bribes from Regime related friends!!! Tehran's fu*king Friday prayer imam of Islamic Republic stable ..Iranians are now reporting these corrupt mullahs to the International reporting organizations since Iranian Reporters go to jail if they report on corruption of the regime.

Ayatollah Kazem Seddiqi, Friday prayer Imam of #Tehran & his son are now involved in one of the largest financial corruption cases in #Iran's history. Not only he accepted 4000 meters of land worth millions of dollars as a bribe in the best part of Tehran, but he also has received $33,000 USD per month in bribes from Naghsheh-Jahan Hotel in Mashhad!His friend, dictator suprem,e leader Ali Khamanei has ordered state media of Iranian regime to censor the new about corruption of Seddiqi and his son who is about to immigrate to Canada with his family.

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[Ario]

Another day, another F*cking corrupt mullah ..Stole $100 million dollars property from the state and receives $ 33K monthly bribes from Regime related friends!!! Tehran's fu*king Friday prayer imam of Islamic Republic stable ..Iranians are now reporting these corrupt mullahs to the International reporting organizations since Iranian Reporters go to jail if they report on corruption of the regime.

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Ayatollah Kazem Seddiqi, Friday prayer Imam of #Tehran & his son are now involved in one of the largest financial corruption cases in #Iran's history. Not only he accepted 4000 meters of land worth millions of dollars as a bribe in the best part of Tehran, but he also has received $33,000 USD per month in bribes from Naghsheh-Jahan Hotel in Mashhad!His friend, dictator suprem,e leader Ali Khamanei has ordered state media of Iranian regime to censor the new about corruption of Seddiqi and his son who is about to immigrate to Canada with his family.

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And they preach about haram and halal bs, no wonder Iranian are less religious now. I think this is a good thing for Iranian society to the true nature of religion. To me all Abrahmic religions are the same, very dangerous and manipulative.

 

[Old School]

And they preach about haram and halal bs, no wonder Iranian are less religious now. I think this is a good thing for Iranian society to the true nature of religion. To me all Abrahmic religions are the same, very dangerous and manipulative.

All Abrahamic religions were founded and consolidated by imperialist Kings. They wanted one religion, one people, and one rule. When you study them critically, you will see that they are all based on half-cooked fiction with little creativity. However, Abrahamic religions still retained some of the old-fashioned violent tribal nature. The more Abraham you pour in, the more corrupted society you get. Look at statistics. One doesn't need a religion to remain a law-abiding and peaceful person. Many other religions, such as Hinduism and Buddhism, now also operate more like Abrahamic religions by shifting from their historical heterodoxy. Lastly, all Abrahamic religions copied ideas from the Old Persian religions and many of their founding scholars were actually opportunists Persian converts.

 

[ThunderCat]

And they preach about haram and halal bs, no wonder Iranian are less religious now. I think this is a good thing for Iranian society to the true nature of religion. To me all Abrahmic religions are the same, very dangerous and manipulative.

I would agree how manipulatable they are. But at the end religion also brings a social order, something human have needed since the dawn of their existence.

 

[Lulldapull]

I don't see the Russian Federation ending support to the Ayatollahs anytime soon. They are long-term allies and they are dependent on Iran now more than ever.

Exactly! there was an article recently that with just the SCO nations alone Iran's doing $37 billion in annual business. And I bet you money they are under reporting that figure. My estimate tells me Iran's easily making a $100 billion annually (quite possible $130 billion or so), despite sanctions. Just with UAE/ Iraq/ Turkey/ Afghanistan/ Pakistan they are doing another $40 to $50 billion annually or so. And then the Mashad Ziarat business bhai.......That's all bonus! Keeping roughly a couple hundred thousand armed militia's on standby is big bucks! Israel is in a lot of trouble and Iran's basically laid siege on it. Daily 10 or 20 Israeli are getting killed/ injured in a country with only 7 million hollywood population.....lol.......I don't even believe Iran's lifted its finger yet. Mr Khamenei probably understands that if he dismantles the cosmopolitan/ metrosexual hably bably Al-Yahuda Star Wars/ Soopurr man/ Batman state of Israel, no hillbilly would ever talk to the Iranians again. They'd treat Iran worse than they treat North Korea or Talibunnies.

 

[Nevsky]

The solution is to support Iranian freedom fighters inside Iran and help them overthrow the mullah regime and terminate the nuclear weapons program.

Such a revolution would also inspire Pakistanis and maybe even Arab states.

A civil war in a country of 90 million people is a solution for what exactly?

 

[ThunderCat]

A civil war in a country of 90 million people is a solution for what exactly?

An overthrow of tyrannical regime that needs to be destroyed.

 

[Deleted due to Error (Muji Iqbal)]

I would like to visit Iran. But the Iranian foreign policy is so messed up. Their government is also very sectarian.

 

[Old School]

I would agree how manipulatable they are. But at the end religion also brings a social order, something human have needed since the dawn of their existence.

That was true hundreds of years ago, and there are better alternatives to religions now. Religions caused the massacre of millions all over the sub-continent on the eve of the partition in 1947. These days, religions bring more chaos, as we have seen on our western border. Jinnah was lucky that he died before his Dominion of Pakistan became an Islamic Republic run by fanatics and generals.

 

[Deleted due to Error (Muji Iqbal)]

That was true hundreds of years ago, and there are better alternatives to religions now. Religions caused the massacre of millions all over the sub-continent on the eve of the partition in 1947. These days, religions bring more chaos, as we have seen on our western border. Jinnah was lucky that he died before his Dominion of Pakistan became an Islamic Republic run by fanatics and generals.

Personally I believe Pakistan should be an Islamic country, otherwise what was the point of partition?
If you want to live in a "secular" country you can go right to India then.

 

[ThunderCat]

That was true hundreds of years ago, and there are better alternatives to religions now. Religions caused the massacre of millions all over the sub-continent on the eve of the partition in 1947. These days, religions bring more chaos, as we have seen on our western border. Jinnah was lucky that he died before his Dominion of Pakistan became an Islamic Republic run by fanatics and generals.

There was no partition since the British Raj was not a country, just a mere colony. Nobody calls the desolation of British North America, which included Canada & America as "partition."

The other thing is religion is a part of human psyche. People tend to confuse it with theism, not realizing it is just a mere example of religion.

For example Marxism is also a religion, just not theistic. Many communist countries persecuted and killed people suspected of being affiliated with theism or simply being opposed to Marxist ideology.

Now in Western countries we can see with the decline of Christianity, new religions such as environmentalism, veganism and holocaust worship are taking it's place.

None of them seem to be progressive and even counter beneficial. So religion is here to stay.

To understand the effects of religion, we have to study human psychology, sociology and related topics. Theology does not help in this regard.

It's a common belief system shared amongst humans. Whether those beliefs are right or wrong or particularly right or wrong does not matter.

Humans as a social species are driven by a common set of values and habits and held together on these basis, wheather right or wrong.

That has defined our social/psychological characteristics as a species since probably the dawn of our existence.

 

[Old School]

There was no partition since the British Raj was not a country, just a mere colony. Nobody calls the desolation of British North America, which included Canada & America as "partition."

The other thing is religion is a part of human psyche. People tend to confuse it with theism, not realizing it is just a mere example of religion.

For example Marxism is also a religion, just not theistic. Many communist countries persecuted and killed people suspected of being affiliated with theism or simply being opposed to Marxist ideology.

Now in Western countries we can see with the decline of Christianity, new religions such as environmentalism, veganism and holocaust worship are taking it's place.

None of them seem to be progressive and even counter beneficial. So religion is here to stay.

To understand the effects of religion, we have to study human psychology, sociology and related topics. Theology does not help in this regard.

It's a common belief system shared amongst humans. Whether those beliefs are right or wrong or particularly right or wrong does not matter.

Humans as a social species are driven by a common set of values and habits and held together on these basis, weather right or wrong.

That has defined our social/psychological characteristics as a species since probably the dawn of our existence.

The present form of some religions are simply too extreme and not acceptable. Religion should be a matter of private life without a state enforcing it like in some countries. Religion has caused a lot of problems in Pakistan and created millions of zombies and illiterates who will never understand your scientific explanation of religion.

 

[ThunderCat]

The present form of some religions are simply too extreme and not acceptable. Religion should be a matter of private life without a state enforcing it like in some countries. Religion has caused a lot of problems in Pakistan and created millions of zombies and illiterates who will never understand your scientific explanation of religion.

It should be practiced in balance, including minimizing or even eliminating it's role in politics.

 

[ThunderCat]

The present form of some religions are simply too extreme and not acceptable. Religion should be a matter of private life without a state enforcing it like in some countries. Religion has caused a lot of problems in Pakistan and created millions of zombies and illiterates who will never understand your scientific explanation of religion.

Even vegans, environmentalists and holocaust worshipers do not accept my scientific analysis. This was even before I discovered Micheal Crichton's article "Environmentalism is a Religion."

You should read it sometime.

 

[Old School]

Even vegans, environmentalists and holocaust worshipers do not accept my scientific analysis. This was even before I discovered Micheal Crichton's article "Environmentalism is a Religion."

You should read it sometime.

Those non- deity religions like woke cultures do not subjugate societies like ours. There are strong oppositions in the western societies to keep them at bay. We don't have any critical opposition in Pakistan against religious extremism. People will simply die if they do it. Even Imran Khan made alliances with extreme religious elements. Religion is a business and power tool in our country.

 

[ThunderCat]

Those non- deity religions like woke cultures do not subjugate societies like ours. There are strong oppositions in the western societies to keep them at bay. We don't have any critical opposition in Pakistan against religious extremism. People will simply die if they do it. Even Imran Khan made alliances with extreme religious elements. Religion is a business and power tool in our country.

Denying the Holocaust is a crime in many Western countries. Denying the Holocaust in front of many Westerners sets them off easily. There clearly is dictatorship. They also visit Holocaust museums like religious pilgrims.

In Marxist countries people were imprisoned and killed for opposing the state and/or Marxist ideology. Not that I am excusing the religious extremism in our country.

 

[Old School]

Denying the Holocaust is a crime in many Western countries. Denying the Holocaust in front of many Westerners sets them off easily. There clearly is dictatorship. They also visit Holocaust museums like religious pilgrims.

In Marxist countries people were imprisoned and killed for opposing the state and/or Marxist ideology. Not that I am excusing the religious extremism in our country.

The people also overthrew and hanged Communist leaders like Chausescu. Those countries have a strong criticism of their own. Holocaust supporters are many in some society and it is not a crime to support the holocaust either. We do not have opposition in our country or any other religious countries. Nothing can be compared with our dysfunctional society, as any opposition to religious authority is brutally crushed, or public lynching takes place in front of inactive police. We should not use whataboutism to say what about that country. I am shocked to see, especially, our UK community, which is also now full of zombies in constant denial. Then, we wonder why there is a phobia.

 

[ThunderCat]

The people also overthrew and hanged Communist leaders like Chausescu. Those countries have a strong criticism of their own. Holocaust supporters are many in some society and it is not a crime to support the holocaust either. We do not have opposition in our country or any other religious countries. Nothing can be compared with our dysfunctional society, as any opposition to religious authority is brutally crushed, or public lynching takes place in front of inactive police. We should not use whataboutism to say what about that country. I am shocked to see, especially, our UK community, which is also now full of zombies in constant denial. Then, we wonder why there is a phobia.

There has been, but it hasn't been strong enough. Remember our people never elected a religious administration. But General Zia infected our country with an extreme Wahabbi ideology.

I am not defending it. But this has to be understood while taking into account human social and psychological history. Human belief systems are commonly dogmatic.

Denying the Holocaust is still taboo in most Western countries and even illegal in others. I can even provide a quote on how the Holocaust has taken a position as a religion.

The West is degrading because of political correctness and new religious dogma. People don't criticize dogmas in the West because of political correctness and that's what the problem is with us.

Many non-European migrants including Muslim extremists exploit this political correctness.

We fear our religious mobs and their massive numbers and total disregard for the law.

 

[Aryobarzan]

The sooner Pakistan becomes a "Secular" nation the faster she will walk in the path of progress. Islamic Republic as a governing idea has failed miserably both in Pakistan and Iran. There is no reason why Pakistan can not do what already has started by India. You got the brains (West Asia first nuclear power and first to start space activity when everyone else was sleep in this area).
As for Iran my prediction is that within the next decade Iran will again be a "secular " nation but more important this time around Iran will also be a non- muslim nation with a small muslim minority population.
Hopefully the mullah crowd in Iran would also disappear from Iranian landscape after them appearing in the Iranian history only 500 years ago . Mullahs have always played a negative and destructive role in Iranian history. They were always considered "parasitic" entity and tools of foreign nations to impose their will on Iran. Invented 500 years ago by the Safavid shahs to control the population and later used by British to keep Iranian population from Progress..

 

[Old School]

There has been, but it hasn't been strong enough. Remember our people never elected a religious administration. But General Zia infected our country with an extreme Wahabbi ideology.

I am not defending it. But this has to be understood while taking into account human social and psychological history. Human belief systems are commonly dogmatic.

Denying the Holocaust is still taboo in most Western countries and even illegal in others. I can even provide a quote on how the Holocaust has taken a position as a religion.

The West is degrading because of political correctness and new religious dogma. People don't criticize dogmas in the West because of political correctness and that's what the problem is with us.

Many non-European migrants including Muslim extremists exploit this political correctness.

We fear our religious mobs and their massive numbers and total disregard for the law.

Just look what ‘Londonistan’ now looks like. UK is going to be the first failed state among the core Western elite nations. What goes around, comes around.

 

[Old School]

The sooner Pakistan becomes a "Secular" nation the faster she will walk in the path of progress. Islamic Republic as a governing idea has failed miserably both in Pakistan and Iran. There is no reason why Pakistan can not do what already has started by India. You got the brains (West Asia first nuclear power and first to start space activity when everyone else was sleep in this area).
As for Iran my prediction is that within the next decade Iran will again be a "secular " nation but more important this time around Iran will also be a non- muslim nation with a small muslim minority population.
Hopefully the mullah crowd in Iran would also disappear from Iranian landscape after them appearing in the Iranian history only 500 years ago . Mullahs have always played a negative and destructive role in Iranian history. They were always considered "parasitic" entity and tools of foreign nations to impose their will on Iran. Invented 500 years ago by the Safavid shahs to control the population and later used by British to keep Iranian population from Progress..

The British cultivated and nurtured the mullah parasites to control the population everywhere. Now, when the same mullahs turned the UK into Londonistan and came to their UK heartland to bite, dumb British are crying. What a Frankenstein’s monster!!

 

[ThunderCat]

The sooner Pakistan becomes a "Secular" nation the faster she will walk in the path of progress. Islamic Republic as a governing idea has failed miserably both in Pakistan and Iran. There is no reason why Pakistan can not do what already has started by India. You got the brains (West Asia first nuclear power and first to start space activity when everyone else was sleep in this area).
As for Iran my prediction is that within the next decade Iran will again be a "secular " nation but more important this time around Iran will also be a non- muslim nation with a small muslim minority population.
Hopefully the mullah crowd in Iran would also disappear from Iranian landscape after them appearing in the Iranian history only 500 years ago . Mullahs have always played a negative and destructive role in Iranian history. They were always considered "parasitic" entity and tools of foreign nations to impose their will on Iran. Invented 500 years ago by the Safavid shahs to control the population and later used by British to keep Iranian population from Progress..

This is also why I hope an anti-mullah revolution in Iran will happen so that it will encourage secular Pakistanis to break the grip of the mullahs. I don't consider India a role model of secularism.

All those BJP and other Brahman fascists voted into office.

 

[Mkesath]

Personally I believe Pakistan should be an Islamic country, otherwise what was the point of partition?
If you want to live in a "secular" country you can go right to India then.

india isnt a secular nation

 

[ThunderCat]

Personally I believe Pakistan should be an Islamic country, otherwise what was the point of partition?
If you want to live in a "secular" country you can go right to India then.

'Partition' of what? You still not done with your trolling. This is what you come here to do troll. Bugger off then.

 

[Old School]

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