[🇵🇰] Will Pakistan ever function as a secular state?

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[🇵🇰] Will Pakistan ever function as a secular state?
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That is YOUR CLAIM. Do you have proof Jinnah alcohol? And even if he did that makes him a sinner, not an apostate.

And Jinnah is irrelevant. He is not my source for legislation. I appreciate what he did for the All India Muslim League. But other than that,

Pakistan ka matlab kya "La illaha illala Muhummadur Rasoolulaah."

And what is your twisted understanding of Islam? Follow some of Islam and don't follow other parts of it?
Jinnahs the guy that removed the word "god" from a speech so it wouldn't get hijacked by people like you. Say whatever you want, are you saying La Ilaha has been reduced to a nation of 1nbreds? Don't disrespect God or Islam like that.

There are many Muslims who drank alcohol and have contributed more for Islam than you have that's for sure your no judge.
 
Jinnahs the guy that removed the word "god" from a speech so it wouldn't get hijacked by people like you. Say whatever you want, are you saying La Ilaha has been reduced to a nation of 1nbreds? Don't disrespect God or Islam like that.
Not sure who brainwashed you with your liberal nonsense.

Then what was the point of partition? If Pakistan is supposed to be a half-baked copycat of a western liberal country, then partition was wrong.

Point of partition was the safeguard the rights of Muslims of South Asia and so they could live according to Islamic laws and injunctions.

Not your half baked liberal trash which most Pakistanis would not accept.

And of course you say what you want as well.

Disrespecting Allah or Islam? How am I doing that. Now I am starting to think you have a small sized brain.

What Pakistan needs is a Meiji Restoration, where there is an emphasis on education and economy. We are already good enough on the military sector.
 
Not sure who brainwashed you with your liberal nonsense.

Then what was the point of partition? If Pakistan is supposed to be a half-baked copycat of a western liberal country, then partition was wrong.

Point of partition was the safeguard the rights of Muslims of South Asia and so they could live according to Islamic laws an injunctions.

Not your half baked liberal trash which most Pakistanis would not accept.

And of course you say what you want as well.

Disrespecting Allah or Islam? How am I doing that. Now I am starting to think you have a small sized brain.
The point of partition was safety for the Muslims and the minorities who were going to suffer hindu raj or hindu rule which they are today you fool. They would have been seen outside the caste system on dalit tier.
Also I'm no liberal
 
The point of partition was safety for the Muslims and the minorities who were going to suffer hindu raj or hindu rule which they are today you fool. They would have been seen outside the caste system on dalit tier.
Also I'm no liberal
Go read a accredited history book. Pakistan movement was not about other minorities (Christians, Buddhists, Parsis, Sikhs, etc.).
Pakistan Movement was about Muslims.

But of course, minorities would have their rights according to justice and moral principles in the newly created Pakistan.
 
Go read a accredited history book. Pakistan movement was not about other minorities (Christians, Buddhists, Parsis, Sikhs, etc.).
Pakistan Movement was about Muslims.

But of course, minorities would have their rights according to justice and moral principles in the newly created Pakistan.

Go read a accredited history book. Pakistan movement was not about other minorities.
Pakistan Movement was about Muslims.

But of course, minorities would have their
You must be reading books written by indians
 
Jinnah the lover of liberalism, the creator of the Dominion of Pakistan, was out there pushing for sharia law according to you
Don't know where you are getting your crap from.
Yes Jinnah was influenced by British political Liberalism.

But Jinnah does not mention anywhere the word "liberalism" or "secularism" in his speeches. nice try though.

but Jinnah mentions Islamic Socialism and Islamic Democracy.
 
You must be reading books written by indians
And why would Pakistan movement care about Buddhists, Christians, Sikhs, Parsis?

Sorry mate, I read Pakistani accredited books and Western books by Stanley Wolpert and Hector Bolitho. Also by William S. Metz.
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Don't know where you are getting your crap from.
Yes Jinnah was influenced by British political Liberalism.

But Jinnah does not mention anywhere the word "liberalism" or "secularism" in his speeches. nice try though.

but Jinnah mentions Islamic Socialism and Islamic Democracy.
“…we will be the democratic type, embodying the essential principles of Islam. Today, they are as applicable in actual life as they were 1300 years ago. Islam and its idealism have taught us democracy. It has taught equality of man, justice and fair play to everybody. We are inheritors of these glorious traditions and are fully alive to our responsibilities and obligations as framers of the future constitution of Pakistan. In any case Pakistan is not going to be theocratic state — to be ruled by priests with a divine mission. We have many non-Muslims — Hindus, Christians and Parsis — but they are all Pakistanis. They will enjoy the same rights and privileges as any other citizens and will play their rightful part in the affairs of Pakistan.”

— Jinnah’s address to the people of the United States (21 February 1948)
 
I have read this one too, this book debunks the secular Jinnah myth spread by Indians and some Western scholars to weaken Pakistan's identity.

If Jinnah was so secular and liberal, why join the Muslim league and fight for the Muslim's case. Saleena Karim Baji pretty debunks the Secular Jinnah Myth.
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Every one of you, no matter to what community he belongs, no matter what relations he had with you in the past, no matter what is his colour, caste, or creed, is first, second, and last a citizen of this state with equal rights, privileges, and obligations, there will be no end to the progress you will make. […] You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place or worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed — that has nothing to do with the business of the state.

— Jinnah’s address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan (11 August 1947)
 
“…we will be the democratic type, embodying the essential principles of Islam. Today, they are as applicable in actual life as they were 1300 years ago. Islam and its idealism have taught us democracy. It has taught equality of man, justice and fair play to everybody. We are inheritors of these glorious traditions and are fully alive to our responsibilities and obligations as framers of the future constitution of Pakistan. In any case Pakistan is not going to be theocratic state — to be ruled by priests with a divine mission. We have many non-Muslims — Hindus, Christians and Parsis — but they are all Pakistanis. They will enjoy the same rights and privileges as any other citizens and will play their rightful part in the affairs of Pakistan.”

— Jinnah’s address to the people of the United States (21 February 1948)
The leader of an Islamic country does not necessarily have to be a Mullah, you *&*&*&*&*&.

Islamic country means being ruled according to Islamic principles.
 
Every one of you, no matter to what community he belongs, no matter what relations he had with you in the past, no matter what is his colour, caste, or creed, is first, second, and last a citizen of this state with equal rights, privileges, and obligations, there will be no end to the progress you will make. […] You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place or worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed — that has nothing to do with the business of the state.

— Jinnah’s address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan (11 August 1947)
In an Islamic country, religious minorities have their rights, so how is this contradicting an Islamic state?
 
For an idiot like yourself, actions speak louder than words. You certainly behave like one.

Why do you support secularism? Should we legalize prostitution, drugs, usury in Pakistan? Are you an idiot?
Usury is already legal in Pakistan, Pakistan also has a drug issue from all those Chinese vapes coming in, you wouldn't know, you live in canada. Prostitution isn't legal in most secular countries as far as I'm aware.
 
Usury is already legal in Pakistan, Pakistan also has a drug issue from all those Chinese vapes coming in, you wouldn't know, you live in canada. Prostitution isn't legal in most secular countries as far as I'm aware.
Go to Europe, and prostitution is legal in most secular countries.

That's the point, the economic system demanded by Islam isn't going to be that easy to implement
Yes because in this day and age Muslim countries are weak and divided. So we have to work with the Economic system devised by the Non-Muslim Superpowers and Empires.

We should try to implement what Islamic rules "WE CAN" within our reach. Whatever is without our reach can be overlooked.

This should have been an obvious one.
 
Do you ever stop talking about Iranians, jeez
Yaar you can’t pit us against somebody like Norwegians or Danish or Swedes or Finnish or Germans……etc……you need to understand our neighborhood and where in dat neighborhood we stand today bhai. Oh Khuda da khauf kar bhai knowing our situation today. Iran Muslim parrosi hae ga! Not in some Scandinavia! They too pendu like us…..but theys doing good….how come?

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Go to Europe, and prostitution is legal in most secular countries.


Yes because in this day and age Muslim countries are weak and divided. So we have to work with the Economic system devised by the Non-Muslim Superpowers and Empires.

We should try to implement what Islamic rules "WE CAN" within out reach. Whatever is without our reach can be overlooked.

This should have been an obvious one.
I'm not against this idea, I made a thread about this but seemingly if you know you know, it's too hard for now
 
I'm not against this idea, I made a thread about this but seemingly if you know you know, it's too hard for now
Yes we should do which is "possible." What is too difficult to implement can be overlooked. Obviously.

The average Pakistani has nothing in common with the average Iranian
That is correct, because most Iranians speak Farsi, we do not have much in common with them.
 
Oh paa we got nothing in common with Western nor Eastern Europe either. Only thing we got in common is with India no? As in east Punjab?
Well we also have a lot in common with Afghanistan. But there are many Pakistanis who do not like Afghanistan, because it is the "Somalia" of Asia, a very poor and backward country.

@MuHayMin

It was a pleasure to converse with you, and hopefully we will have more. I got to go now.

I guess the bottom line is we should do what is possible, what cannot be done can be overlooked.

Regards.
 
Well we also have a lot in common with Afghanistan. But there are many Pakistanis who do not like Afghanistan, because it is the "Somalia" of Asia, a very poor and backward country.

@MuHayMin

It was a pleasure to converse with you, and hopefully we will have more. I got to go now.

I guess the bottom line is we should do what is possible, what cannot be done can be overlooked.

Regards.
Regards and a pleasure to converse with you too.
 
If anything we should annex Afghanistan. Usually Afghanistanis think better of Pakistanis. But anyways.

Well we also have a lot in common with Afghanistan. But there are many Pakistanis who do not like Afghanistan, because it is the "Somalia" of Asia, a very poor and backward country.
The afghani hate us bro……I don’t know why but they hate us.

We should beat the crap out of these afghani they are racist toward us for no reason when they themselves are dalit. They covet our KPK and we will not budge on that issue even over our dead bodies. I want irani’s to beat the living shiit out of these afghani and turn them into proper civilized people so they respect their neighbors and learn to live like decent citizens of Afghanistan. We should talk to the irani’s to beat them up and civilize them because they respect irani’s and look down upon us. Badtameez tribal qaum killing our innocent ghareeb civilians and law enforcement. Totally unacceptable behavior of Afghani.
 
I have met some Afghanistani who are pro-Pakistan. We have every right to purchase and annex Afghanistan. It is our backyard.
The afghani hate us bro……I don’t know why but they hate us.

We should beat the crap out of these afghani they are racist toward us for no reason when they themselves are dalit. They covet our KPK and we will not budge on that issue even over our dead bodies. I want irani’s to beat the living shiit out of these afghani and turn them into proper civilized people so they respect their neighbors and learn to live like decent citizens of Afghanistan. We should talk to the irani’s to beat them up and civilize them because they respect irani’s and look down upon us. Badtameez tribal qaum killing our innocent ghareeb civilians and law enforcement. Totally unacceptable behavior of Afghani.
 
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I agree afghanis are an issue in Pakistan and they should be sorted out, their arrogance gets annoying.

But you have an unhealthy obsession with Iran.
Oh bhai, get real no? Your middle class suburban US upbringing ain’t cutting it. All Muslim countries are convert pushovers, other than Iran. Or are we in denial on this issue? Iran is the only power in da muzlim whulld no? Baqi are do thapurr away from reversion.

Hard to believe you in denial? Of reality? are you kidding?
 
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Oh bhai, get real no? Your middle class suburban US upbringing ain’t cutting it. All Muslim countries are convert pushovers, other than Iran. Or are we in denial on this issue? Iran is the only power in da muzlim whulld no? Baqi are do thapurr away from reversion.

Hard to believe you in denial? Of reality? are you kidding?
Sir pata nahi aap ne konsi tareekh ki katab parhi hai. Maine jo kitab parhi hai us main baaqi nations to ek baar convert hoe Iran 2 baar convert huwa hai.

First they converted from Zoroastrianism to Sunni Islam leading to chaos in the early days of Islamic history as they did not accept it happily. Then in the 15th or 16th century when their King decided to convert from Sunni Islam to Shia Islam and issued a decree that everyone must be converted to Shiasm. It took them more than 150 years to complete impose the sect upon its people but they ultimately achieved this goal around the 17th century due to strict policies on the people.
 
Sir pata nahi aap ne konsi tareekh ki katab parhi hai. Maine jo kitab parhi hai us main baaqi nations to ek baar convert hoe Iran 2 baar convert huwa hai.

First they converted from Zoroastrianism to Sunni Islam leading to chaos in the early days of Islamic history as they did not accept it happily. Then in the 15th or 16th century when their King decided to convert from Sunni Islam to Shia Islam and issued a decree that everyone must be converted to Shiasm. It took them more than 150 years to complete impose the sect upon its people but they ultimately achieved this goal around the 17th century due to strict policies on the people.
Correct! But they still shia no? Last 400 years same mazhabi firqa bhai. Look at our situation bro….just 100 years ago most of us were hindu or sikh. We just converted in last century..Dr Salman has done a whole program on this subject bhai. Millions converted when partition happened to avoid being dispossessed of their land and holdings.

 
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Sir pata nahi aap ne konsi tareekh ki katab parhi hai. Maine jo kitab parhi hai us main baaqi nations to ek baar convert hoe Iran 2 baar convert huwa hai.

First they converted from Zoroastrianism to Sunni Islam leading to chaos in the early days of Islamic history as they did not accept it happily. Then in the 15th or 16th century when their King decided to convert from Sunni Islam to Shia Islam and issued a decree that everyone must be converted to Shiasm. It took them more than 150 years to complete impose the sect upon its people but they ultimately achieved this goal around the 17th century due to strict policies on the people.
I have finally converted to "Love Religion" and become an ardent lover.
 
Why does this forum have disinfo trolls like you, if you make claims you give sources. You are definitely a larp whether the mods know this I am not aware. I'm assuming your iranian since all you care about is iran?
Lull needs to swap his Jap wife for an Iranian wife now. I wish I had an Iranian wife instead of the one I have from Islamabad.
 

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