World Iran Vs Israel 2025 War Discussion

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World Iran Vs Israel 2025 War Discussion
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Hezb, Hamas, PIJ, PFLP, Hoosi, Iraqi PMU's have killed for Iran........

Iran can't afford to lose em.
Bro

These outfits have used Iran.

And killed for themselves.

That it served Iranian interests was a happy coincidence.

When the time came to kill FOR Iran they were completely and totally absent.

Biggest fkn waste and misplaced priorities and resources (including time invested) for Islamic Iran.
 
Bro

These outfits have used Iran.

And killed for themselves.

That it served Iranian interests was a happy coincidence.

When the time came to kill FOR Iran they were completely and totally absent.

Biggest fkn waste and misplaced priorities and resources (including time invested) for Islamic Iran.
Bad way to find out.......I hope Iran gets to influence these outfits properly again and lead them into battle.
 
Iran needs to first set its own house in order.

For Round 2. That is surely coming.

Right now the enemy has taken the fight to their soil. And they are virtually defenceless.
Iran's destroyed their $20 billion aid money they got for this year to live off of.

What a shiit investment they are for the west:

 
Iran blew up the Mossad GHQ with a precision strike:


conflicting reports, fog of war



 
 
haan, ye waali.. AI or no ?

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welcome to modern wars, sab bc fake ya misleading images putting out as proof

India Pak thing has a lot of them

then just the other day some BD guy here posted proof of a crashed F35 that was as big as a football ka maidan lol
 
Bro

These outfits have used Iran.

And killed for themselves.

That it served Iranian interests was a happy coincidence.

When the time came to kill FOR Iran they were completely and totally absent.

Biggest fkn waste and misplaced priorities and resources (including time invested) for Islamic Iran.
These are mafias iranis use doc.......hur koi yehee karta hae.......let iran use em to kill the undesirables.....

Khud dalit ko maarna bohot mushkil hota hae......god yous gotta live wid da guilt.....Irans always done dis no.......Jo Iran karta hae vo sahih karta hae and sometimes its necessary you know.

AL-Qaeda/ Daesh/ Talibunny/ Jihadi/ wahabbi/ AL-Yahuday/ Shiitbillay etc........in sub ko maarnay k liye Iran ne in ko rakha huwa hae....
 
over on jc, there are new threads now k Iran must join Pakistan China and Al-Turkiya jesay phateechar mulk and form some sort of Kalifate or something....... :ROFLMAO:

Aaaaaaaaahahahahahaaaaaa

This is beyond hilarious.

What or how on earth such a thing can help Iran?

Just absolutely ridiculous comments and musings.

Oh bhai aap ka China militarily weaker than Iran.......evidently no?

China bichara lund help karay ga Iran key? He can't save his own ass no......
But my Indian friend said. Israel can bomb Iran at will. How can Iran use North Korean missile technology to strike Israel?
 
In a fortnight or so Iran should be back to full military readiness and replenishment of all its critical capabilities. Whatever was damaged is quickly being repaired and new units being deployed:

Fake news. Israel is still bombing Iran at will. After all. Iran is just a backward agricultural country that uses North Korea's missile technology.

Iran is even more backward than India. Because India uses Russian knockout goods. But Iran uses North Korea's obsolete goods.
 
How backward is Iran?

Using North Korean missile technology.

Being bombed arbitrarily by Israel.

Officials were arbitrarily assassinated.

Like India. Iran cannot make qualified fighters. Iran does not even make qualified rifles.

Using outdated foreign products like India. Relying on propaganda to wage war.

There is no industry. There is no technology. Only mouths.

Now come to China to seek help.🤣
 
What can Iran build? Iran's missile technology comes from North Korea.

The key materials for Iran's missile manufacturing come from China.

The Iranian satellite navigation system comes from China. What can Iran build?


The Chinese hate Iran so much. Iran still begs for Chinese technology. This is the contempt of industrialized countries towards agricultural countries.
 

Israel–Iran conflict: The West’s enduring double standards

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Israel was established after the Second World War with the backing of Western powers. PHOTO: REUTERS

The tensions between Israel and Iran are not merely about missiles or politics; they reflect decades of decisions made by powerful countries, particularly in the West. These decisions have not always been just, and they continue to shape how the region is perceived and treated.

To understand the current situation, it is essential to consider how Iran arrived at this point. Prior to the 1979 revolution, the country was ruled by the Shah—a monarch who maintained a pro-Western foreign policy and was strongly supported by Western powers. He granted foreign nations access to Iranian oil and allowed them a say in domestic affairs. However, this came at a cost to many Iranians, who felt marginalised. In 1953, the West supported a coup that overthrew Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh after he sought to nationalise the country's oil industry. That event continues to shape Iran's mistrust of Western powers.

In 1979, a series of events culminated in the overthrow of the Shah and the establishment of the Islamic Republic of Iran. Known as the 1979 revolution—or the Islamic Revolution—it was driven by mounting frustration with the Shah's rule. Economic hardship, political repression, and the perceived erosion of Iranian culture due to Western influence fuelled widespread discontent.

The revolution marked a turning point in the region's history, reshaping Iran's domestic and foreign policy for decades. At its core, it was a rejection of a system that allowed foreign influence to dictate national affairs. Since then, Iran has sought to assert its independence and align itself with groups that share its worldview—naturally placing it at odds with Western-aligned governments.

One pivotal episode that defined Iran's posture in the region was the war with Iraq from 1980 to 1988. Saddam Hussein, with encouragement and support from Western powers and some Arab states, launched an invasion of Iran just a year after the revolution. The war dragged on for eight years, claiming hundreds of thousands of lives on both sides. While publicly calling for peace, Western countries supplied arms and intelligence to Iraq, even when Saddam's regime used chemical weapons. This further deepened Iran's distrust and strengthened its determination to achieve self-reliance and deterrence. The conflict was not merely military; it had a lasting effect on Iran's perception of global power dynamics and the credibility of international norms.

Subsequent developments in the region further exposed the shortcomings of Western intervention. The 2003 invasion of Iraq by the United States—justified by unfounded claims of weapons of mass destruction—resulted in profound instability. The war led to the collapse of state institutions, the rise of violent extremist groups, and immense suffering for millions of Iraqis. Rather than promoting democracy, the invasion left behind a fragmented country still struggling to recover.

In Afghanistan, a two-decade-long military campaign ended in a chaotic withdrawal in 2021. Despite extensive investment in military training and governance, the Afghan government collapsed swiftly after foreign troops departed. The return of the Taliban raised serious doubts about the outcomes of Western intervention. For many in the region, these experiences reinforced the belief that Western promises of democracy and stability are often hollow or self-serving.

These events have shaped Iran's worldview. Iranian leaders and citizens perceive a global system where the rules are selectively applied—dependent on who wields power and who is favoured. The message they derive is clear: justice is not impartial. Some nations face severe consequences for their actions, while others are effectively exempt.

Israel, by contrast, was established after the Second World War with the backing of Western powers. Its creation, however, displaced a significant number of Palestinians—an issue that remains unresolved. Over the years, Israel has received unwavering military and financial support, particularly from the United States. Even when its actions have drawn widespread international criticism, such support has persisted.

This disparity is most evident in the nuclear arena. Israel is widely believed to possess nuclear weapons, though it has never officially acknowledged this and has not signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT). Iran, on the other hand, did sign the NPT and has permitted inspections, yet has faced years of sanctions and threats over its nuclear activities. The implication is unmistakable: nuclear norms are enforced unevenly.

In recent decades, Iran's regional influence has grown through its support of groups aligned with its interests—groups which Israel and some Arab states perceive as threats. Meanwhile, Israel has established diplomatic relations with several Arab nations, reframing longstanding hostilities into new alliances. These moves are often hailed as steps towards peace, but they also function to isolate Iran.

When Israel conducts airstrikes in countries like Syria, Western responses are typically muted or supportive. However, when Iran or its allies retaliate, the tone shifts dramatically to condemnation and alarm. This double standard has repeated itself many times.

Such inconsistencies have tangible consequences. They erode the credibility of international institutions tasked with upholding justice and fairness, and they send a disheartening message—that justice is contingent on alliances, not actions.

There is a broader danger, too. If the current conflict escalates, it risks drawing in more nations. But even if a wider war is avoided, a fundamental problem remains: peace is unlikely when one party is consistently given the benefit of the doubt.

Ordinary people across the Middle East bear the brunt of these tensions. Whether in Gaza, Tehran, or Tel Aviv, civilians are caught between missiles and political rhetoric. Meaningful progress requires a reassessment of how the world responds to conflict—one that upholds the same standards for all countries and groups.

It is fair to critique Iran's policies, just as it is fair to scrutinise Israel's. But doing so selectively only deepens the crisis. If Western nations genuinely wish to foster peace, they must demonstrate a willingness to hold both allies and adversaries accountable.

This is a moment for introspection. For too long, global policy has been shaped by strategic alliances rather than principles of justice. This approach has bred mistrust, resentment, and instability. Changing course will not be easy—but it is essential. The future of the region depends on it.

Md. Kawsar Uddin is associate professor in Department of English and Modern Languages at the International University of Business Agriculture and Technology (IUBAT).​
 

How AI shaped the Iran-Israel 12-day war

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Israeli air defence systems are activated to intercept Iranian missiles over Tel Aviv on June 16, 2025. PHOTO: AFP

The 12-day Iran-Israel conflict from June 13 to 24, 2025, will be remembered not for its duration or casualties alone, but for how Artificial Intelligence (AI) moved from supportive background tool to the centrepiece of an AI-enhanced command-and-control architecture. These systems—employed in real-time intelligence processing, target prioritisation, and digital influence campaigns—reshaped the tempo and character of warfare.

Among them, Palantir Technologies, a US-based analytics firm, was publicly acknowledged to have strategic partnerships with Israel's Ministry of Defence and was reported to provide battlefield software used in operational planning and intelligence fusion (The Jerusalem Post, June 17, 2025).

The US, both covertly through intelligence collaboration and overtly via Operation Midnight Hammer airstrikes on Iranian nuclear facilities, played a central role in orchestrating key operations and reinforcing this AI-driven battlefield (Politico, June 20, 2025). What emerged was a transnational, algorithmically coordinated military campaign—situated in Tel Aviv and driven through Palantir dashboards in forward centres, underlaid by strategic coordination from Washington, and contested by Iran from Tehran.

This was not simply a regional skirmish. It sent a global signal. The conflict confirmed that AI is now a full-spectrum actor in geopolitics, fundamentally redefining command and control, upsetting traditional deterrence, and challenging the boundaries of human judgement in decisions of war and peace.

Israel, long considered a pioneer in military AI, adapted lessons from its operations in Gaza to a broader and more complex battlefield. While the now-infamous "Lavender" database—which reportedly profiled some 37,000 individuals for targeting in Gaza using AI-driven heuristics—was not directly deployed in the Iran campaign, Israeli forces relied on similar AI-driven systems for target identification and prioritisation (+972 Magazine, April 2024).

These systems integrated satellite imagery, signals intelligence, and prior surveillance data to help guide strikes on missile sites in Isfahan, air defence installations near Natanz, and suspected drone command centres. In short, while the database itself may not have crossed the border, the methodology and algorithmic logic it embodied certainly did—marking a continuity in Israel's evolving AI-led military doctrine.

AI-assisted satellite imagery analysis and communications intercepts helped identify and prioritise high-value Iranian targets. Israel's elite Unit 8200, known for cyber-espionage and signal intelligence, reportedly worked closely with US intelligence agencies—a collaboration widely acknowledged but never officially confirmed (The Times of Israel, June 18, 2025)—to coordinate targeting algorithms and assess Iranian response patterns.

These were not mere technical assistance arrangements. The US's involvement was both covert and overt. Intelligence-sharing with Israel had accelerated in the lead-up to the strikes (New York Times, June 21, 2025). Pentagon cyberwarfare units reportedly helped run simulations and predictive modelling on potential Iranian retaliation scenarios (Defense One, June 19, 2025). When the airstrikes commenced, they did so with a transnational AI-enhanced framework already in place.

Iran's asymmetric AI response

Iran, though technologically behind, showed how asymmetry combined with AI can disrupt even a highly digitised adversary. Its use of Shahed-136 drones was not new, but this time they were deployed in greater volume and with more coordinated timing (Al Jazeera, June 22, 2025). While lacking advanced autonomous navigation, their integration with basic AI routines—such as visual recognition to avoid decoys—represented a low-cost, high-impact evolution in drone warfare.

Perhaps more disruptive was Iran's use of AI-generated content and narrative warfare. Deepfake videos of Israeli military officials, AI-scripted propaganda clips, and bot-driven amplification campaigns flooded Arabic and Persian social media spaces (Brookings Institution, June 2025). While Israel ran its own digital counter-narratives, this battle for perception was conducted algorithm to algorithm, not just government to government.

Iran also tapped into open-source intelligence (OSINT), using publicly available data—especially from Israeli reservists' social media posts—to monitor troop mobilisations and infer targeting priorities (Reuters Special Report, June 2025). These tactics underscored how AI now weaponises even the most banal digital footprints.

Israel's Iron Dome and David's Sling missile defence systems, already world-class, were pushed to new levels of responsiveness. While there is no public confirmation of major new AI upgrades to these systems, reports suggest that machine learning was used to optimise interception prioritisation during peak missile salvos (Haaretz, June 2025), reducing overkill and improving resource management.

Anti-drone systems like "Smart Shooter" were activated across northern and central Israel, demonstrating how computer vision and human-in-the-loop design can still function under swarm conditions. Iran's mass launches did not overwhelm Israeli defences, but they did reveal a cost-effectiveness gap: while Iran lost low-cost drones, Israel had to expend expensive interceptors (Defense News, June 24, 2025).

In cyberspace, the Cyber Dome system, developed after years of Iranian and Hezbollah infiltration attempts, neutralised dozens of coordinated cyberattacks during the conflict, according to Israeli cyber officials (Israel National Cyber Directorate, June 25, 2025). But Israeli infrastructure was still hit. Several water facilities and municipal services experienced disruptions, some attributed to Iranian cyber groups with suspected Russian software support (The Guardian, June 23, 2025).

In the Israeli war room, AI didn't just aid decision-making—it framed it. Military planners reportedly used predictive models to simulate thousands of Iranian retaliation scenarios. These simulations helped determine strike sequences and optimal timing—balancing operational success with political optics (Haaretz, June 25, 2025).

While final strike decisions remained under human command, AI-informed simulations carried significant weight. As one retired Israeli colonel noted in Haaretz, "When the machine tells you there's an 86 percent chance Iran will not respond to a specific strike, that shapes how you advise the cabinet."

Yet this reliance introduces profound vulnerabilities. Predictive models, no matter how sophisticated, operate on historical data, limited inputs, and probabilistic logic. A single misfire—whether from incorrect assumptions or adversarial deception—could misguide decision-makers into a catastrophic escalation. In an environment where minutes count and signals are noisy, an AI's false sense of certainty may lull human actors into overconfidence, eroding the caution traditionally built into military deliberation.

In Tehran, AI tools were used more sparingly but not insignificantly. Iranian media campaigns were shaped by sentiment analysis tools tracking how global audiences responded to images, videos, and hashtags (Middle East Eye, June 23, 2025). Even Iran's decision to target US bases in Qatar—later walked back after Washington's direct warning—was reportedly gamed through a basic AI-based escalation-risk model (Financial Times, June 24, 2025).

Illusion of victory, reality of loss

As the war wound down after 12 exhausting days, each side claimed success, but the reality was more sobering. Iran's nuclear facilities were damaged but not destroyed. Israel's deterrence was reaffirmed, but only at the cost of caveats, international condemnation, and increased domestic polarisation. The US, having helped orchestrate and stabilise the conflict behind the scenes, emerged diplomatically weakened in the Global South, where perceptions of American double standards hardened (Foreign Affairs, June 26, 2025).

What did not emerge diminished was the role of AI itself. It triumphed—not by design, but by consequence. Its centrality in targeting, defending, simulating, and persuading made clear that wars are no longer shaped by generals alone, but by engineers and coders working in data centres far from the battlefield.

The Iran-Israel conflict has not gone unnoticed by other major powers. China, already testing AI-enabled battlefield logistics and drone swarms, is closely studying the integration of algorithmic decision-making into active conflict scenarios. Russia, with its hybrid warfare experience in Ukraine and Syria, has reportedly accelerated the development of autonomous systems for electronic warfare and information operations.

The 12-day war served not only as a testbed but also as a model—demonstrating the disruptive capacity of AI not just to execute operations, but to shape them from planning to perception. As these technologies proliferate, so too does the risk of global military doctrines adapting in similarly opaque and unregulated ways.

The urgency of control

The Iran-Israel war of June 2025 was not an outlier. It was a blueprint. As AI becomes more embedded in military doctrine worldwide, the absence of international regulatory norms is no longer just dangerous—it's existential.

We urgently need a new Geneva-like framework for algorithmic warfare. That includes: i) Banning fully autonomous lethal weapons; ii) Mandating human oversight in AI-assisted strike systems; iii) Prohibiting AI-generated disinformation during armed conflict; and iv) Establishing an international AI-military audit body.

Without such controls, the next conflict may escalate not by political miscalculation, but by feedback loops between duelling algorithms—the digital equivalent of sleepwalking into war.

When the algorithm writes the aftermath

The Iran-Israel conflict was marked by devastation, confusion, and strategic ambiguity. But it also marked something subtler and far more enduring: the quiet displacement of human judgement by machine logic. While Iran, Israel, and the US all walked away weakened or chastened, AI emerged stronger, more embedded, and more ungoverned.

As we reflect on the costs of those 12 days, we must ask not only who fired the first shot or signed the last truce—but who, or what—is writing the next chapter of military history. The answer may not be found in a capital or bunker—but in a server rack humming quietly in the background, running simulations that never sleep.

Dr Faridul Alam is a retired academic who writes from New York, US.​
 

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