[🇵🇰-✈JF-17] Azerbaijan Air Force Becomes Fourth Operator of JF-17 Fighter Aircraft

[Lulldapull]

failure of the Russian Air Force really warped your minds

I don't see western planes in the air either. They'd be shot down in minutes. That's why we don't see them in Ukraine at all.

 

[LegionnairE]

Last time I checked the price of a JF-17 was around 30~40 million per unit , Block III would be ~50~60 million so , if the deal is true 1 squadron plus weaponry and training would be good for the amount .
But still let's wait for official confirmation from either party

I would expect 24-30 planes along with some spare parts to be procured

I don't see western planes in the air either. They'd be shot down in minutes. That's why we don't see them in Ukraine at all.

Because they haven't been delivered and Ukrainian pilots haven't been trained to a sufficient point?

 

[Lulldapull]

I would expect 24-30 planes along with some spare parts to be procured


Because they haven't been delivered and Ukrainian pilots haven't been trained to a sufficient point?

Ukraine's entire AF was destroyed early in the war within weeks of it starting. RuAF lost about 50 'advanced' jets also withing the first few months. After that almost no AF activity on either side. Attack helo's did even worse and basically withdrawn from front line duties. We see the same for naval warships and much much worse for armor/ APC's. I honestly believe that looking at this Ukraine war, most countries must be thinking that all they got is cannon fodder in equipment. Only think that works today are ATGM's, drones and laser guided artillery. Almost everything else (legacy weapons) have largely been rendered obsolete. If you paid me a million bucks right now and ask me to fly an F-16 over Donbas, or go sit in a Leopard tank, I would refuse to do it. There's almost a 100% chance of me not coming back alive.

 

[ghazi]

Not confirm from any Quarter. So at this point only a feeler.

 

[Old School]

There is no official word yet from the Azeri/Pakistani responsible people. This news is still spreading like an inferno in social media, and online portals are picking it up. We only know that UK-based 'Desi' people run X channel "Air Operations Syndicate" first reported this news two days ago.

 

[LegionnairE]

Ukraine's entire AF was destroyed early in the war within weeks of it starting. RuAF lost about 50 'advanced' jets also withing the first few months. After that almost no AF activity on either side. Attack helo's did even worse and basically withdrawn from front line duties. We see the same for naval warships and much much worse for armor/ APC's. I honestly believe that looking at this Ukraine war, most countries must be thinking that all they got is cannon fodder in equipment. Only think that works today are ATGM's, drones and laser guided artillery. Almost everything else (legacy weapons) have largely been rendered obsolete. If you paid me a million bucks right now and ask me to fly an F-16 over Donbas, or go sit in a Leopard tank, I would refuse to do it. There's almost a 100% chance of me not coming back alive.

Ukraine's AF wasn't destroyed, their Su-34s are still doing critical missions with storm shadows, TB2s are still collecting data. I don't know what Mig-29s and Su-27s are doing but there's still some left as far as I know.

S300 and S400s turned out to be very effective despite their older generation radars that much is true. But an F-35 squadron armed with AGM-88s and specially trained for SEAD missions is going to have trouble taking them out. I'm sure of it.

"But what's the role of 4th generation planes will be?" I hear you ask. They will be launching large missiles that don't fit inside bomb bays of 5th gens. They will be dropping JDAMs and laser guided munitions after SEAD squadrons clean up the air defenses.

A missile like Meteor may not fit inside the F35, but it can be carried by even a relatively cheap plane like JF-17.

So that's how a TFX Kaan JF-17 combo could possibly work for Azerbaijan.

 

[Lulldapull]

Ukraine's AF wasn't destroyed, their Su-34s are still doing critical missions with storm shadows, TB2s are still collecting data. I don't know what Mig-29s and Su-27s are doing but there's still some left as far as I know.

S300 and S400s turned out to be very effective despite their older generation radars that much is true. But an F-35 squadron armed with AGM-88s and specially trained for SEAD missions is going to have trouble taking them out. I'm sure of it.

"But what's the role of 4th generation planes will be?" I hear you ask. They will be launching large missiles that don't fit inside bomb bays of 5th gens. They will be dropping JDAMs and laser guided munitions after SEAD squadrons clean up the air defenses.

A missile like Meteor may not fit inside the F35, but it can be carried by even a relatively cheap plane like JF-17.

So that's how a TFX Kaan JF-17 combo could possibly work for Azerbaijan.

It’s the era of proxy wars now. Look at the SyRaaq region. Thousands of storm shadow attacks later and the PMU’s are very active. They’ve moved everything or anything critical underground and all these US and IDF strikes make no diff. Supply lines to Hezb are wide open. Occasionally they kill a few IRGC officers or some PMU operatives or the Syrian army officers, but they are quickly avenged and replaced. It’s a lot harder to strike Russian territory on the other hand. Russia’s turned Ukraine into a pile of rubble. And the US and Israel have turned Syria into one. Iran/ Russia/ China are playing the long game…..sooner or later the west will leave. All their trillion dollar weapons have failed to change the strategic balance. In the case of Armenia too I don’t believe Russia nor Iran would allow an Azeri victory, and I don’t believe Azeri’s will push their luck either. JF thunder might work over Armenia, but it’s not really needed in the era of drones and ballistic/ cruise missiles now. I believe a decade or two down the road, manned military platforms will seriously dwindle.

 

[LegionnairE]

I don’t believe Russia nor Iran would allow an Azeri victory, and I don’t believe Azeri’s will push their luck either. JF thunder might work over Armenia, but it’s not really needed in the era of drones and ballistic/ cruise missiles now. I believe a decade or two down the road, manned military platforms will seriously dwindle.

1) JF-17, as long as it can launch SOM and Gökdoğan, it's a big problem for Armenia, Iran or Russia doesn't matter.

2) show me a fighter jet ever shot down by a drone. You can't.

 

[Lulldapull]

1) JF-17, as long as it can launch SOM and Gökdoğan, it's a big problem for Armenia, Iran or Russia doesn't matter.

2) show me a fighter jet ever shot down by a drone. You can't.

Check that USAF AI controlled F-16v shooting down dozens of aircraft in simulations and doing it repeatedly too. Anything a human can do, the AI can do better, and the scary bit is that it learns from its mistakes and input. It’s very scary.

 

[LegionnairE]

Check that USAF AI controlled F-16v shooting down dozens of aircraft in simulations and doing it repeatedly too. Anything a human can do, the AI can do better, and the scary bit is that it learns from its mistakes and input. It’s very scary.

yes I'm aware of that. Aren't they giving the AI %100 situational awareness in those simulations?

 

[Lulldapull]

yes I'm aware of that. Aren't they giving the AI %100 situational awareness in those simulations?

Wouldn't situational awareness be critical inputs/ updated every few minutes/ seconds via the various onboard sensors? Your on board Airborne intercept radar data, your MAWS, your IFF, your FLIR, your RWR and the evolving GCI/ surveillance data/ GC radar plots? Any ground or air based ECM sensors or even noise/ signal jammers. All this must've been part of the simulation. They made it as real a scenario as possible. I'll try finding that article. What the designers proved is that you just don't need no driver no more. The AI CPU is performing wonders! It's very scary, where we're going. Down da road, wes not goin need nobody doin jack diddly. This is why there are conferences in most developed world capitals wondering what to do? where to go from here on out no? You understand what this means for poor countries no?

 

[Ghazi52]

Azerbaijan Air Force Becomes Fourth Operator of JF-17 Fighter Aircraft, President Aliyev Confirms​

Global Defense Insight
September 25, 2024

Azerbaijan Air Force is now officially the fourth operator of JF-17 multi-role fighter aircraft. The president’s office confirmed in a statement.

“President of the Republic of Azerbaijan, Supreme Commander-in-Chief Ilham Aliyev was presented JF-17C (Block-III) multirole fighter jets on September 25, at Heydar Aliyev International Airport. These advanced, lightweight, all-weather aircraft, designed for both day and night operations, were developed as a joint venture between Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, Kamra, and Chengdu Aircraft Industry Corporation of China.

The jets have already been integrated into the arsenal of Azerbaijan’s Air Force.

Defense Minister of the Republic of Azerbaijan, Colonel General Zakir Hasanov reported to Supreme Commander-in-Chief Ilham Aliyev. Azerbaijan’s Defense Minister and Chairman of the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex Board, Air Vice Marshal Hakim Raza provided details about the aircraft’s tactical and technical specifications, operational guidelines, and key performance indicators.

The JF-17C (Block-III) is a single-engine multirole combat aircraft known for its air-to-air and air-to-ground capabilities, as well as its high maneuverability at medium and low altitudes, making it notable for its effective firepower”

 

[Ghazi52]

 

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