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After realizing that India has changed after Dokalm conflict, Chumar Conflict and Galwan conflicts, China seems to have decided to do truce with India. Everybody has to bow down to rising sun. India is a bright and shinning spot in world map with supply of hyper genius manpower, only country to have surplus skilled manpower, supplier of generic medicine, supplier of food grain and contributor of world order. Those who tries to either ignore India or tries to make enmity with India will pay price in terms of so many things. China took wise decision in the end. Afterall, China is a very old civilization, and they have the wisdom like Europeans and Americans.
Peace between China and India is necessary for the stability of Asia.
 

CHINA BORDER
India won’t trim troops in winter


Says army chief; Modi opens strategic tunnel to China border zones.

India is not looking to reduce the number of troops along the northern frontier in winter, the country's army chief said yesterday adding that it will review summer deployment based on outcome of negotiations with China.

Four years ago, 20 Indian and four Chinese soldiers were killed during border clashes following which both sides stopped patrolling several points on the border in Ladakh to avoid new confrontations, while moving tens of thousands of new troops and military equipment closer to the freezing mountainous region.

New Delhi and Beijing reached a deal in October last year to resolve the four-year military stand-off and few days later they pulled back troopsfrom the disputed border.

"During winter deployment, the number of troops come down. So therefore, at least in the winter strategy, we are not looking forward to any reduction of troops," army chief Upendra Dwivedi told reporters in New Delhi.

Dwivedi said a decision on summer deployment would depend on how negotiations and talks with China progress, reports Reuters.

"When it comes to the summer strategy, we'll take a review based on that time, how many negotiations and meetings have taken place," he said.

Meanwhile, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi inaugurated a strategic Himalayan road tunnel yesterday, pushing all-weather access northwards towards contested high-altitude border zones with rivals China and Pakistan.

The Z-Morh or Sonmarg tunnel, stretching 6.4 kilometres (four miles) beneath a treacherous mountain pass cut off by snow for between four to six months a year, is part of a wider infrastructure drive in border zones, reports AFP.

It helps connect Indian-administered Kashmir with Ladakh, acting as a stepping stone in opening the Srinagar-Leh Highway all year round to allow rapid deployment of military supplies.

India and China share a poorly demarcated border which runs along the Himalayas and has been a source of tension between the neighbours for decades, including a brief but bloody war in 1962.​
 
Peace between China and India is necessary for the stability of Asia.

That is true but Dictator Xi feels very unsafe. he gets people disappear who soever becomes popular, rich and influential in China. He has to act in a manner to prove that he is very powerful leader. To do that, he keeps doing such sort of gimmicks. By mistake, he messed with his Grand Pa Modi and have to backtrack with lots of humiliation and exposure of true military power of China. Chumar, Doklam and Galwan in last.
 

India trade deficit with China widens to record $99.2 bln amid dumping concerns
REUTERS
Published :
Apr 16, 2025 21:56
Updated :
Apr 16, 2025 21:56

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A worker sits on a ship carrying containers at Mundra Port in the western Indian state of Gujarat April 1, 2014. Photo : REUTERS/Amit Dave/Files

India recorded a trade deficit of $99.2 billion with China in the 2024/25 fiscal year that ended in March, trade data showed, driven by a surge in imports of electronics goods and consumer durables.

The data comes as US President Donald Trump announced a 90-day pause last week on most tariff hikes for major trading partners including India, while sharply increasing levies on Chinese goods, stoking fears that Chinese firms may divert goods to other markets.

In March alone, goods imports from China jumped over 25 per cent year-on-year to $9.7 billion, led by electronics, electric batteries and solar cells. Total imports from China rose to $113.5 billion in 12-months through March, according to detailed trade data released by commerce ministry on Wednesday.

Meanwhile, India's exports to China fell 14.5 per cent to $1.5 billion in March from a year earlier, with total exports dropping to $14.3 billion in the 12-months period, data showed.

"This is a wake-up call for India, as the rising imports reflect deeper structural dependencies of the Indian economy," said Ajay Srivastava, founder of Global Trade Initiative, a Delhi-based trade policy think tank.

India's rising exports of electronics goods, pharmaceuticals and engineering goods are also fuelling imports from Chinese, due to their heavy dependence on imported components, he said.

India's exports to China are now lower than in 2013/14, despite a significantly stronger rupee back then, Srivastava said, and warned that imports could rise by about 20 per cent in the current fiscal year as Chinese firms are re-routing exports to several markets, for exports to the US

China emerged as India's second biggest trading partner in 2024/25, with two-way trade of $127.7 billion, after the United States, the data showed.

The government plans to set up a monitoring unit to track a surge in cheaper imports from countries like China, and warned firms against helping foreign exporters bypass US tariffs, officials said on Tuesday.​
 

India-Pakistan conflict offers rich intelligence opportunity for China
REUTERS
Published :
May 09, 2025 16:53
Updated :
May 09, 2025 16:53

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China's J-10 fighter jets from the People's Liberation Army Air Force August 1st Aerobatics Team perform during a media demonstration at the Korat Royal Thai Air Force Base, Nakhon Ratchasima province, Thailand, November 24, 2015. Photo : REUTERS/Athit Perawongmetha//Files

The conflict between India and Pakistan over Kashmir offers a potentially rich intelligence harvest for China in its own rivalry with India as it gleans data from its fighter jets and other weapons used in action by Pakistan.

Security analysts and diplomats say China's military modernisation has reached a point where it has the ability to deeply scrutinise Indian actions in real time from its border installations and Indian Ocean fleets as well as from space.

"From an intelligence perspective, this is a rare target of opportunity right on China's borders involving a key potential adversary," said Singapore-based security analyst Alexander Neill.

Two US officials said a Chinese-made J-10 Pakistani jet fighter shot down at least two Indian military planes - one of them a French-made Rafale fighter. India has not acknowledged the loss of any of its planes while Pakistan's defence and foreign ministers have confirmed the use of J-10 aircraft but not commented on which missiles or other weapons were used.

The aerial clash is a rare opportunity for militaries around the world to study the performance of pilots, fighter jets and air-to-air missiles in active combat, and use that knowledge to prepare their own air forces for battle.

Competing regional giants and nuclear powers, India and China are widely seen as long-term strategic rivals, sharing a 3,800 (2,400 mile) Himalayan border that has been disputed since the 1950s and sparked a brief war in 1962.

The most recent standoff - that started in 2020 - thawed in October as the two sides struck a patrolling agreement.

Security analysts say both sides have taken steps to strengthen their military facilities and capabilities along the border, but it is also from above that China packs an intelligence gathering punch.

The London-based International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) notes that China now fields 267 satellites - including 115 devoted to intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance and a further 81 that monitor military electronic and signals information. It is a network that dwarfs its regional rivals, including India, and is second only to the US

"Both in terms of space and missile tracking capabilities, China is much better off now in terms of being able to monitor things as they happen," said Neill, who is an adjunct fellow at Hawaii's Pacific Forum think-tank.

China's defence ministry did not immediately respond to Reuters' questions about the deployment of its military satellites and other questions about its intelligence gathering.

Pakistan's military media wing and information minister did not immediately respond to a request for comment on any information sharing with China.

Pakistan has previously said it has an "all-weather strategic, cooperative partnership" with China.

India has not commented on the issue, but its top diplomat in Britain, High Commissioner Vikram Doraiswami, told Sky News on Thursday that China's relationship with Pakistan was not a concern for India.

"China requires a relationship with all of its neighbours, that includes us," he said.

MISSILE DEPLOYMENTS

Chinese military intelligence teams would be eager to garner information on any Indian use of air defences and launches of cruise and ballistic missiles - not just in terms of flight paths and accuracy but command and control information, analysts and diplomats say.

Any deployment of India's BrahMos supersonic cruise missile - a weapon it developed jointly with Russia - would be of particular interest, some analysts say, given they do not believe it has been used in combat.

China has also beefed up its intelligence gathering at sea. It has been increasingly active in the Indian Ocean in recent years, with China deploying space tracking ships as well as oceanographic research and fishing vessels on extended deployments, open source intelligence trackers say.

Regional diplomats say that while the Chinese navy has been relatively cautious about extensive warship deployments into the Indian Ocean, still lacking a broad network of bases, it actively seeks intelligence with these other vessels.

Over the last week, some trackers noted unusually large fleets of Chinese fishing vessels moving apparently in unison to within 120 nautical miles of Indian naval drills in the Arabian Sea as tensions rose with Pakistan.

Pentagon reports on China's military modernisation and analysts note that China's fishing fleets routinely perform a coordinated militia function that plays an important intelligence gathering role.

"These vessels may double up as listening posts, tracking development rhythms and response patterns, feeding early warning, naval intel to their sponsors," wrote open source tracker Damien Symon in an X post that highlighted the deployment of 224 Chinese vessels near Indian naval exercises on May 1.

Chinese officials do not usually acknowledge the existence of fishing militia or intelligence work carried out by other nominally-civilian vessels.

Given its deep and broad strategic relationship with Pakistan, Beijing can also be expected to fully exploit its network of envoys and military teams there for key nuggets.

"The presence of Chinese military advisers and other personnel in Pakistan is well-known given how Pakistan's Ministry of Defence has been importing some of its most advanced military hardware from China, so we can be certain the PLA would be able to access relevant data," said James Char, a Chinese security scholar at Singapore's S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies.​
 

India-Pakistan conflict offers rich intelligence opportunity for China
REUTERS
Published :
May 09, 2025 16:53
Updated :
May 09, 2025 16:53

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China's J-10 fighter jets from the People's Liberation Army Air Force August 1st Aerobatics Team perform during a media demonstration at the Korat Royal Thai Air Force Base, Nakhon Ratchasima province, Thailand, November 24, 2015. Photo : REUTERS/Athit Perawongmetha//Files

The conflict between India and Pakistan over Kashmir offers a potentially rich intelligence harvest for China in its own rivalry with India as it gleans data from its fighter jets and other weapons used in action by Pakistan.

Security analysts and diplomats say China's military modernisation has reached a point where it has the ability to deeply scrutinise Indian actions in real time from its border installations and Indian Ocean fleets as well as from space.

"From an intelligence perspective, this is a rare target of opportunity right on China's borders involving a key potential adversary," said Singapore-based security analyst Alexander Neill.

Two US officials said a Chinese-made J-10 Pakistani jet fighter shot down at least two Indian military planes - one of them a French-made Rafale fighter. India has not acknowledged the loss of any of its planes while Pakistan's defence and foreign ministers have confirmed the use of J-10 aircraft but not commented on which missiles or other weapons were used.

The aerial clash is a rare opportunity for militaries around the world to study the performance of pilots, fighter jets and air-to-air missiles in active combat, and use that knowledge to prepare their own air forces for battle.

Competing regional giants and nuclear powers, India and China are widely seen as long-term strategic rivals, sharing a 3,800 (2,400 mile) Himalayan border that has been disputed since the 1950s and sparked a brief war in 1962.

The most recent standoff - that started in 2020 - thawed in October as the two sides struck a patrolling agreement.

Security analysts say both sides have taken steps to strengthen their military facilities and capabilities along the border, but it is also from above that China packs an intelligence gathering punch.

The London-based International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) notes that China now fields 267 satellites - including 115 devoted to intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance and a further 81 that monitor military electronic and signals information. It is a network that dwarfs its regional rivals, including India, and is second only to the US

"Both in terms of space and missile tracking capabilities, China is much better off now in terms of being able to monitor things as they happen," said Neill, who is an adjunct fellow at Hawaii's Pacific Forum think-tank.

China's defence ministry did not immediately respond to Reuters' questions about the deployment of its military satellites and other questions about its intelligence gathering.

Pakistan's military media wing and information minister did not immediately respond to a request for comment on any information sharing with China.

Pakistan has previously said it has an "all-weather strategic, cooperative partnership" with China.

India has not commented on the issue, but its top diplomat in Britain, High Commissioner Vikram Doraiswami, told Sky News on Thursday that China's relationship with Pakistan was not a concern for India.

"China requires a relationship with all of its neighbours, that includes us," he said.

MISSILE DEPLOYMENTS

Chinese military intelligence teams would be eager to garner information on any Indian use of air defences and launches of cruise and ballistic missiles - not just in terms of flight paths and accuracy but command and control information, analysts and diplomats say.

Any deployment of India's BrahMos supersonic cruise missile - a weapon it developed jointly with Russia - would be of particular interest, some analysts say, given they do not believe it has been used in combat.

China has also beefed up its intelligence gathering at sea. It has been increasingly active in the Indian Ocean in recent years, with China deploying space tracking ships as well as oceanographic research and fishing vessels on extended deployments, open source intelligence trackers say.

Regional diplomats say that while the Chinese navy has been relatively cautious about extensive warship deployments into the Indian Ocean, still lacking a broad network of bases, it actively seeks intelligence with these other vessels.

Over the last week, some trackers noted unusually large fleets of Chinese fishing vessels moving apparently in unison to within 120 nautical miles of Indian naval drills in the Arabian Sea as tensions rose with Pakistan.

Pentagon reports on China's military modernisation and analysts note that China's fishing fleets routinely perform a coordinated militia function that plays an important intelligence gathering role.

"These vessels may double up as listening posts, tracking development rhythms and response patterns, feeding early warning, naval intel to their sponsors," wrote open source tracker Damien Symon in an X post that highlighted the deployment of 224 Chinese vessels near Indian naval exercises on May 1.

Chinese officials do not usually acknowledge the existence of fishing militia or intelligence work carried out by other nominally-civilian vessels.

Given its deep and broad strategic relationship with Pakistan, Beijing can also be expected to fully exploit its network of envoys and military teams there for key nuggets.

"The presence of Chinese military advisers and other personnel in Pakistan​

The funny thing is Pakistan itself doesn't claim to shoot down Rafale but US is saying that China has shot down Rafale. Anyway, we have found PL 15 of Chinese J10 found in unexploded condition. We have HQ 9 missile in our land founded in unexploded condition to gather its data.

 
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China, India should work towards ‘win-win’ co-operation
Says Chinese FM Wang Yi

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Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said yesterday that Beijing and New Delhi should work towards mutual trust and "win-win" cooperation, after talks with his Indian counterpart Subrahmanyam Jaishankar, state news agency Xinhua reported.

China and India should "adhere to the direction of good-neighborliness and friendship" and "find a way for mutual respect and trust, peaceful coexistence, common development and win-win cooperation", Wang said, according to Xinhua.

Google News LinkFor all latest news, follow The Daily Star's Google News channel.
The two foreign ministers met in Beijing yesterday as the two rivals seek to repair ties following a 2020 clash on their border.

The world's two most populous nations are intense rivals competing for strategic influence across South Asia, and their 3,500-kilometre (2,200-mile) frontier has been a perennial source of tension.

The 2020 clash between their troops led to a four-year military standoff they agreed in October on patrols in disputed areas.

India's Prime Minister Narendra Modi and China's President Xi Jinping met for the first time in five years later that month, agreeing to work on improving relations.

New Delhi is concerned over Beijing's increasing presence in the Indian Ocean, seeing the region as firmly within its sphere of influence.​
 

China starts Tibet mega-dam construction amid India’s concern
Agence France-Presse. Beijing, China 20 July, 2025, 05:49

China started building a mega-dam Saturday on a river running through Tibet and India, with Premier Li Qiang attending the commencement ceremony, state media said.

Beijing approved the project in December on the river -- known as Yarlung Tsangpo in Tibet and Brahmaputra in India -- linking it to the country's carbon neutrality targets and economic goals in the Tibet region.

‘The electricity generated will be primarily transmitted to other regions for consumption, while also meeting local power needs in Tibet,’ state news agency Xinhua reported after the groundbreaking ceremony in southeastern Tibet's Nyingchi.

Once built, the dam could dwarf the record-breaking Three Gorges Dam on the Yangtze River in central China -- and have a potentially serious impact on millions of people downstream in India and Bangladesh.

The project will entail constructing five hydropower stations, with the total investment estimated to be around 1.2 trillion yuan ($167.1 billion), Xinhua said.

India said in January it had raised concerns with China about the project in Tibet, saying it will ‘monitor and take necessary measures to protect our interests’.

China ‘has been urged to ensure that the interests of the downstream states of the Brahmaputra are not harmed by activities in upstream areas’, India's foreign ministry said then.

In December, Beijing's foreign ministry said that the project would not have any ‘negative impact’ downstream, adding that China ‘will also maintain communication with countries at the lower reaches’ of the river.

Besides downstream concerns, environmentalists have also warned about the irreversible impact of such mega projects in the ecologically sensitive Tibetan plateau.

Both India and China, neighbours and rival Asian powers, share thousands of kilometres of disputed borders, where tens of thousands of soldiers are posted on either side.​
 

China starts Tibet mega-dam construction amid India’s concern
Agence France-Presse. Beijing, China 20 July, 2025, 05:49

China started building a mega-dam Saturday on a river running through Tibet and India, with Premier Li Qiang attending the commencement ceremony, state media said.

Beijing approved the project in December on the river -- known as Yarlung Tsangpo in Tibet and Brahmaputra in India -- linking it to the country's carbon neutrality targets and economic goals in the Tibet region.

‘The electricity generated will be primarily transmitted to other regions for consumption, while also meeting local power needs in Tibet,’ state news agency Xinhua reported after the groundbreaking ceremony in southeastern Tibet's Nyingchi.

Once built, the dam could dwarf the record-breaking Three Gorges Dam on the Yangtze River in central China -- and have a potentially serious impact on millions of people downstream in India and Bangladesh.

The project will entail constructing five hydropower stations, with the total investment estimated to be around 1.2 trillion yuan ($167.1 billion), Xinhua said.

India said in January it had raised concerns with China about the project in Tibet, saying it will ‘monitor and take necessary measures to protect our interests’.

China ‘has been urged to ensure that the interests of the downstream states of the Brahmaputra are not harmed by activities in upstream areas’, India's foreign ministry said then.

In December, Beijing's foreign ministry said that the project would not have any ‘negative impact’ downstream, adding that China ‘will also maintain communication with countries at the lower reaches’ of the river.

Besides downstream concerns, environmentalists have also warned about the irreversible impact of such mega projects in the ecologically sensitive Tibetan plateau.

Both India and China, neighbours and rival Asian powers, share thousands of kilometres of disputed borders, where tens of thousands of soldiers are posted on either side.​

That is a great favor which china can do. 20% of Brahmputra water comes from Chinese grabbed territory. 60% comes from Arunachal Pradesh, 20% from other down stream catchment area. China building a dam is not at all a problem. The problem is China releasing the water in flood conditions. India is building counter to it by building a dam in down stream.
 

China, India should work towards ‘win-win’ co-operation
Says Chinese FM Wang Yi

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Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said yesterday that Beijing and New Delhi should work towards mutual trust and "win-win" cooperation, after talks with his Indian counterpart Subrahmanyam Jaishankar, state news agency Xinhua reported.

China and India should "adhere to the direction of good-neighborliness and friendship" and "find a way for mutual respect and trust, peaceful coexistence, common development and win-win cooperation", Wang said, according to Xinhua.

Google News LinkFor all latest news, follow The Daily Star's Google News channel.
The two foreign ministers met in Beijing yesterday as the two rivals seek to repair ties following a 2020 clash on their border.

The world's two most populous nations are intense rivals competing for strategic influence across South Asia, and their 3,500-kilometre (2,200-mile) frontier has been a perennial source of tension.

The 2020 clash between their troops led to a four-year military standoff they agreed in October on patrols in disputed areas.

India's Prime Minister Narendra Modi and China's President Xi Jinping met for the first time in five years later that month, agreeing to work on improving relations.

New Delhi is concerned over Beijing's increasing presence in the Indian Ocean, seeing the region as firmly within its sphere of influence.​
Only India has the right to win. This win win BS is a sham. We need a nationalist government in center till 2047. We shall make China irrelevant for world in comming 2 decade like we exposed Chinese Junk weapons in operation Sindoor. We are leader of Global south. Let's be clear. There can be only one boss of Asia and that will be India. China was an inferior civilization and hence only India deserve that position.
 
Only India has the right to win. This win win BS is a sham. We need a nationalist government in center till 2047. We shall make China irrelevant for world in comming 2 decade like we exposed Chinese Junk weapons in operation Sindoor. We are leader of Global south. Let's be clear. There can be only one boss of Asia and that will be India. China was an inferior civilization and hence only India deserve that position.
oh I thought India was already the leader of the universe...
 
China vs India. Comparing what?

There's nothing to compare.

One is P5 + G2country.
One is the Dalit country.

Compare these two countries. Just because people have no understanding of these two countries.
 
Only India has the right to win. This win win BS is a sham. We need a nationalist government in center till 2047. We shall make China irrelevant for world in comming 2 decade like we exposed Chinese Junk weapons in operation Sindoor. We are leader of Global south. Let's be clear. There can be only one boss of Asia and that will be India. China was an inferior civilization and hence only India deserve that position.
Let's compare the economies and military budgets of both the countries.

India

GDP: $4 Trillion

Per Capita Income
: $2700

Export Earnings: $455 Billion

Defense Budget: $72.6 Billion

Arms Export: $2.76 Billion

China

GDP: $20 Trillion

Per Capita Income: $13000

Export Earnings: $3.41 Trillion

Defense Budget: $249 Billion

Arms Export: China is the fourth largest arms exporter globally with a global market share of 5.8%.

As per the comparison between both the countries above, I can safely say India is nowhere near China. China is going to be the number one global power both economically and militarily.
 
Let's compare the economies and military budgets of both the countries.

India

GDP: $4 Trillion

Per Capita Income
: $2700

Export Earnings: $455 Billion

Defense Budget: $72.6 Billion

Arms Export: $2.76 Billion

China

GDP: $20 Trillion

Per Capita Income: $13000

Export Earnings: $3.41 Trillion

Defense Budget: $249 Billion

Arms Export: China is the fourth largest arms exporter globally with a global market share of 5.8%.

As per the comparison between both the countries above, I can safely say India is nowhere near China. China is going to be the number one global power both economically and militarily.

India's export is 820 bn. USD and not 455 tr USD.

Our economy is largely informal. Lots of things are done free. For example, US has around 100 bn yoga industries. In India, more people do yoga but it is by and large free. A cancer drug which is sold in US for 7000 USD is sold in India for USD 135. In India , you can live a luxury life in USD 1000.

Was China a less important country when its economy was 4 Tr USD? We are not a dictatorship. We have a diverse population. Our decisions are not authoritarian. It takes some time set things in order. What is to be looked into is with 4 tr USD economy , we have surpassed many developed countries in science and technology. We are fastest growing economy. We are set to become 40 bn USD economy by next 2.5 decade. In previous 11 years, we have surpassed 7 countries to become world's 4 th largest economy. By 2027, we shall surpass Germany. In next 3 decades, we shall become No 1 economy. Structural reforms we did in last decade has not yet started paying off. We have just begun or on the verge begin aircraft and chip manufacturing. Our GDP. Will grow by 1 to 2% more.
 
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India's export is 820 Tr USD.

Was China a less important country when its economy was 4 Tr USD? We are not a dictatorship. We have a diverse population. Our decision is not authoritarian. It takes some time set things in order. What is to be looked into is with 4 tr USD economy , we have surpassed many countries in science and technology. We are fastest growing economy. We are set to become 40 bn USD economy by next 2.5 decade.
India's export is $820 Trillion? Could you please direct me to the source of your claim?
 

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