[🇨🇳] China vs USA

[Jiangnan]

Chinese drones patrol Japanese airspace. And try to teach backward agrarian countries ~ What is air superiority

The Japan Self-Defense Forces report new incursions by Chinese drones

During the week, Japan's Ministry of Defense reported sightings of various unmanned aircraft from the People's Liberation Army (PLA) over the Western

www.zona-militar.com

 

[Jiangnan]

China would never sell Iran even a bullet without US approval. There's not a single Chinese weapon Iran uses.

Proof is in the pudding no?

Khamenei: I bought Chinese laser weapons.
You: No. You don't.

 

[Lulldapull]

Anybody here who thinks purchasing warplanes after the carnage in Ukraine seriously needs a reality check:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_losses_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War

 

[Sharma Ji]

China would never sell Iran even a bullet without US approval. There's not a single Chinese weapon Iran uses.

Proof is in the pudding no?

How'd Iran develop centrifuges ? all self mehnat or did a certain Mr Khan help ?

They do get a lot of their BM program help, or maybe it is collaboration (not taking the piss here), with the DPRK.

Now where did the DPRK get it's help ? ..

China ?

maybe ?

A nuclear armed Pak and DPRK helps China no end, ye hai game inka, one aspect of it anyway.

 

[Jiangnan]

@Jiangnan .. in case you didn't get my Hindi language message to Lull bhaijaan

your stuff look all shiny and new, but it has not seen combat, manned air assets in particular.. and "Combat proven" is a big big sticker/certification you need on those before the world takes you serious.

Punching bags and muscle etc workouts are not the same as getting in the ring.

I'm sorry. I often send planes to fly in the airspace of Japan, South Korea, Taiwan. But they didn't want to test the actual performance of my plane.

look.

China’s incursion into Japan’s airspace

China’s incursion into Japan’s airspace

www.orfonline.org

I almost invade Japanese airspace every day. Do you want to test the true performance of my fighter jet?

 

[Sharma Ji]

I'm sorry. I often send planes to fly in the airspace of Japan, South Korea, Taiwan. But they didn't want to test the actual performance of my plane.

look.

China’s incursion into Japan’s airspace

China’s incursion into Japan’s airspace

www.orfonline.org

I almost invade Japanese airspace every day. Do you want to test the true performance of my fighter jet?

These are routine incursions and interceptions, NOT the same as combat.

If you want to make your own rules and claim some kind of victory, go ahead.. the rest of the world will wait till we see those birds in real combat.

 

[Jiangnan]

China would never sell Iran even a bullet without US approval. There's not a single Chinese weapon Iran uses.

Proof is in the pudding no?

Khamenei: I order the US to approve my purchase of Chinese laser weapons. LOL.

 

[Lulldapull]

@Sharma Ji ......Some here have no idea what happens in war. Hundreds of thousands dead and trillions gone up in smoke. China would've fared far worse than Russia had they taken on a western backed Ukraine, or taken on a western backed India for that matter.

Iran is trying its level best to avoid ending up in a quagmire like this Ukraine, because once it starts.......you can't stop it:

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html

 

[Jiangnan]

These are routine incursions and interceptions, NOT the same as combat.

If you want to make your own rules and claim some kind of victory, go ahead.. the rest of the world will wait till we see those birds in real combat.

Tell me what real combat is？The kind of 'low tech air contact' that doesn't even have electromagnetic hegemony?

LOL. Your war test... technical level is too low.

I guess. That's why “tea tastes so good”.

 

[Jiangnan]

@Sharma Ji ......Some here have no idea what happens in war. Hundreds of thousands dead and trillions gone up in smoke. China would've fared far worse than Russia had they taken on a western backed Ukraine, or taken on a western backed India for that matter.

Iran is trying its level best to avoid ending up in a quagmire like this Ukraine, because once it starts.......you can't stop it:

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html

Abandon illusions. Back to reality. How many shells do you think NATO countries produce a year？

 

[Lulldapull]

How'd Iran develop centrifuges ? all self mehnat or did a certain Mr Khan help ?

They do get a lot of their BM program help, or maybe it is collaboration (not taking the piss here), with the DPRK.

Now where did the DPRK get it's help ? ..

China ?

maybe ?

A nuclear armed Pak and DPRK helps China no end, ye hai game inka, one aspect of it anyway.

Iran got its centrifuge design from Pakistan way back in the 1990's via the KRL run nuke black market. The ballistic missiles (Scuds handful only) were procured from Syria from its USSR era stocks. DPRK provided very limited support on just components jigs and tooling and things for reverse engineering the Scuds.

Iran had to develop the whole ecosystem from scratch.

Irans come a long way now on its missile n drone programs. Iran started development its own drones way back in 1984.

 

[Jiangnan]

How many shells do you think NATO countries produce a year？pls~

@Lulldapull @Sharma Ji

 

[Sharma Ji]

@Sharma Ji ......Some here have no idea what happens in war. Hundreds of thousands dead and trillions gone up in smoke. China would've fared far worse than Russia had they taken on a western backed Ukraine, or taken on a western backed India for that matter.

Iran is trying its level best to avoid ending up in a quagmire like this Ukraine, because once it starts.......you can't stop it:

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html

Yup, good fight in Syria but time to

take their losses and fight another day, should Iran do. /Yoda

its a blessing, stretched thin when they were already under such sanctions, plus they launched a salvo at Israel, and were taking leadership decapitating losses for main proxy Hebz.

Time to recoil in a defensive posture

trouble is, mandbuddhis been going around trying to bite everyone, and being killed in the process.

 

[Sharma Ji]

How many shells do you think NATO countries produce a year？pls~

@Lulldapull @Sharma Ji

They use em too

what is CHina doing with theirs ? filling up ammo dumps and waiting for an accident ?

 

[Jiangnan]

Iran got its centrifuge design from Pakistan way back in the 1990's via the KRL run nuke black market. The ballistic missiles (Scuds handful only) were procured from Syria from its USSR era stocks. DPRK provided very limited support on just components jigs and tooling and things for reverse engineering the Scuds.

Iran had to develop the whole ecosystem from scratch.

Irans come a long way now on its missile n drone programs. Iran started development its own drones way back in 1984.

Then Khamenei showcased Chinese laser weapons in his speech as the Supreme Leader.

 

[Lulldapull]

Abandon illusions. Back to reality. How many shells do you think NATO countries produce a year？

You can see what and how much Nato countries produce in a year by the list of Russian losses documented on the links I posted. Your last real war was with Japan......and you know what happened right?

The US and UK saved you......or you were gone!

 

[Sharma Ji]

You can see what and how much Nato countries produce in a year by the list of Russian losses documented on the links I posted. Your last real war was with Japan......and you know what happened right?

The US and UK saved you......or you were gone!

forced jiggy-jiggy of Nanking ladis log by Rapizaki Sans

 

[Jiangnan]

They use em too

what is CHina doing with theirs ? filling up ammo dumps and waiting for an accident ?

In your dream. But now NATO is facing a shortage of ammunition. isn't it?

Reputedly. The total number of shells supplied by North Korea to Russia> the total number of shells supplied by NATO to Ukraine. Is it？

I can say. Is North Korea far ahead of NATO?

 

[steppeWolff]

It doesn't matter if India or Iran are even worse than you lot.

The point is, nobody has any real idea about your stuff. PAF used 17s to bomb some tribal talibans and they dropped a weapon from stand off range near an Indian command, that's about it lol

stfu with your china rahrahing, reitard

Lol. JF-17 launched SOWs in a hot airspace and launched them accurately to send you lot a message. It's a battle proven platform and gets more advanced with each iteration. And still it falls on the lower spectrum of Chinese Military tech.

Wait for the Chinese 6th Gen now

 

[Jiangnan]

You can see what and how much Nato countries produce in a year by the list of Russian losses documented on the links I posted. Your last real war was with Japan......and you know what happened right?

The US and UK saved you......or you were gone!

Oh no. Our last war was with UN. MacArthur stepped down. The Chinese army occupied Seoul. And capture US and UK soldiers.

What is your educational background?

 

[Lulldapull]

forced jiggy-jiggy of Nanking ladis log by Rapizaki Sans

Japan had these guys over the barrel big time. From the late 20's all the way till 1945. The Japanese took Beijing too and were unstoppable. US/ UK intervention saved China.

 

[Lulldapull]

Oh no. Our last war was with UN. MacArthur stepped down. The Chinese army occupied Seoul. And capture US and UK soldiers.

What is your educational background?

oh when you got used as a proxy by Stalin......

 

[Jiangnan]

Japan had these guys over the barrel big time. From the late 20's all the way till 1945. The Japanese took Beijing too and were unstoppable. US/ UK intervention saved China.

We all know. The Chinese military is fighting against the UN in Korea. And occupy Seoul. Force MacArthur to step down.

tell me. Fake Japs. The highest temperature you felt last time was a few thousand degrees Celsius?

 

[Jiangnan]

oh when you got used as a proxy by Stalin......

oh I thought it was when the British colonized you. Oh, 200 year colony...

 

[Sharma Ji]

Lol. JF-17 launched SOWs in a hot airspace and launched them accurately to send you lot a message. It's a battle proven platform and gets more advanced with each iteration. And still it falls on the lower spectrum of Chinese Military tech.

Wait for the Chinese 6th Gen now

Stand Off Weapon... launched from a safe distance, are they meant to be.

 

[steppeWolff]

Stand Off Weapon... launched from a safe distance, are they meant to be.

Well thats what you call modern warfare my guy. Exactly what Russians are doing with their FABs, but a bit late than us.

You complaining we arent fighting like its early 2000s?

 

[Sharma Ji]

Japan had these guys over the barrel big time. From the late 20's all the way till 1945. The Japanese took Beijing too and were unstoppable. US/ UK intervention saved China.

They OWE EVERYTHING to the west. Their rise was engineered by the west to find another enemy after they lost their 'red scare' card..

We all getting played here, brozanaki san,

 

[Sharma Ji]

Well thats what you call modern warfare my guy. Exactly what Russians are doing with their FABs, but a bit late than us.

You complaining we arent fighting like its early 2000s?

no, mostly dumb bombs like J-DAMS etc are still very much a thing. SOWs are more than guidance kits and a GPS.

 

[Jiangnan]

They OWE EVERYTHING to the west. Their rise was engineered by the west to find another enemy after they lost their 'red scare' card..

We all getting played here, brozanaki san,

We all know. South Asia was colonized by Britain for 200 years. What is preventing you from make a qualified rifle?

 

[Sharma Ji]

what's FAB ?

father of all bomb ? ..

 

[Sharma Ji]

We all know. South Asia was colonized by Britain for 200 years. What is preventing you from make a qualified rifle?

We buy the good stuff, they all lining up to sell us, transfer factories over.. soon spillover in homegrown arms, you see it in our guns already (not small arms, proper guns)

you got nobody willing to sell you, which is why you cheat and copy and steal.. which is fine, I guess.

be thankful you not yet direct confrontation with the USFK/USFJ .. you'll get cooked, much faster than a dumpling in a wok of boiling steam.

 

[steppeWolff]

no, mostly dumb bombs like J-DAMS etc are still very much a thing. SOWs are more than guidance kits and a GPS.

Dumb bombs are a thing of past where one adversary has complete air dominance and superiority. Modern mobile IADS dont let that happen. Exactly like in Ukraine. A lesson Russians learnt the very hard way.

Except USA and maybe China, no one can do that.

 

[steppeWolff]

what's FAB ?

father of all bomb ? ..

No.

FAB bomb use the UMPK, a winged system developed after 2022, for precision satellite guidance and increased stand-off distance.
Extremely effective.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Dumb bombs are a thing of past where one adversary has complete air dominance and superiority. Modern mobile IADS dont let that happen. Exactly like in Ukraine. A lesson Russians learnt the very hard way.

Except USA and maybe China, no one can do that.

They have conversion kits, "strap on" lol guided fins for their old big freefall bombs.

The use case still exists in threat environments where the AA is minimal or nil, strafing runs, bomblets etc .. still effective, bhai.

 

[steppeWolff]

They have conversion kits, "strap on" lol guided fins for their old big freefall bombs.

The use case still exists in threat environments where the AA is minimal or nil, strafing runs, bomblets etc .. still effective, bhai.

Yes effective against militias with maximum airdef extending to Manpads.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Yes effective against militias with maximum airdef extending to Manpads.

Use cases exist, and militarizes must therefore persist with these. Keep in mind also that guided munitions add a big cost factor to your operations (not to sound baniya, but it is what it is)

Horses for courses waali baat.

Militias with manpads are rare, and when they do have those capabilities, they're almost always in a proxy role backed by a behind the scenes waala haanth.

Even modern air defences, but, for well protected major nations.. its not a 100% coverage, its layered, there will almost always be some slippage, gets progressively denser and tougher as you approach priority assets. Indo Pak Cn ka dekh lo, zabardast mountainous terrain, rotarys can snake through and evade all rays, EW, and worst case ECMs also at their disposal.

Cat and mouse game.. all 3 of your your air, ground, and space game need to be on top.

 

[Jiangnan]

We buy the good stuff, they all lining up to sell us, transfer factories over.. soon spillover in homegrown arms, you see it in our guns already (not small arms, proper guns)

you got nobody willing to sell you, which is why you cheat and copy and steal.. which is fine, I guess.

be thankful you not yet direct confrontation with the USFK/USFJ .. you'll get cooked, much faster than a dumpling in a wok of boiling steam.

Um... I didn't know a deceived beggar had such a strange sense of morality.

The problem is. Why should I buy the garbage? These garbage are more suitable for you. isn't it?

India, A backward agricultural country excluded from the Global Innovation Index.

 

[Jiangnan]

We buy the good stuff, they all lining up to sell us, transfer factories over.. soon spillover in homegrown arms, you see it in our guns already (not small arms, proper guns)

you got nobody willing to sell you, which is why you cheat and copy and steal.. which is fine, I guess.

be thankful you not yet direct confrontation with the USFK/USFJ .. you'll get cooked, much faster than a dumpling in a wok of boiling steam.

I have disappointed you. My fighter jets and fleet often patrol near US territory. So why do I have to confront USFK/FJ?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/07/25/norad-russian-chinese-jets-alaska/

So... India relies on receiving high kickbacks to purchase weapons. Can you really fight?

 

[Sharma Ji]

fine @Jiangnan

You win

You, like most online defence forum Chinese, aren't interested in a discussion and debate.

Literally all you know is "China good, all else bad"

Maybe its a language glitch, dunno.

 

[VCheng]

fine @Jiangnan

You win

You, like most online defence forum Chinese, aren't interested in a discussion and debate.

Literally all you know is "China good, all else bad"

Maybe its a language glitch, dunno.

It is called CommieBot Programming.

 

[Jiangnan]

fine @Jiangnan

You win

You, like most online defence forum Chinese, aren't interested in a discussion and debate.

Literally all you know is "China good, all else bad"

Maybe its a language glitch, dunno.

Oh no. Just providing facts. If you can prove that India can make qualified rifles. The Indian arms trade does not involve kickbacks. India has a higher global innovation index ranking. I have no issues. I will congratulate India.

 

[Jiangnan]

It is called CommieBot Programming.

Compared to the robot programming of “the MiG-21 shooting down F-16”. It's too outdated.

 

[steppeWolff]

Oh no. Just providing facts. If you can prove that India can make qualified rifles. The Indian arms trade does not involve kickbacks. India has a higher global innovation index ranking. I have no issues. I will congratulate India.

India isn't even in the same tier as China. China has only one rival that is USA. All else are just kids tryna act big including India.

 

[Mainerik]

India isn't even in the same tier as China. China has only one rival that is USA. All else are just kids tryna act big including India.

Also funny that @Sharma Ji, an Indian, of all things telling us that the Chinese are in denial. The Indians are known for being in denial and delusional about their ‘supapowa’ 2020 while still defecating on the streets. I’m sure @Bilal9 knows well

 

[steppeWolff]

Also funny that @Sharma Ji, an Indian, of all things telling us that the Chinese are in denial. The Indians are known for being in denial and delusional about their ‘supapowa’ 2020 while still defecating on the streets. I’m sure @Bilal9 knows well

It's very funny. To me atleast.

Chinese flew not 1 but 2 6th Generation prototypes. Even USA didn't do that.

On the other hand we have India. Even Pakistan is gonna induct 5th Gen before them.

 

[Sharma Ji]

It's very funny. To me atleast.

Chinese flew not 1 but 2 6th Generation prototypes. Even USA didn't do that.

On the other hand we have India. Even Pakistan is gonna induct 5th Gen before them.

anyone can make a fancy looking triangle and fly it

Chinese "6th gen" my smelly daalkhor gaan'

pls stop doing tattagiri of this lot, its a bad look

 

[Sharma Ji]

its a bad look

and very unbecoming of the mard e momin lot.

 

[steppeWolff]

anyone can make a fancy looking triangle and fly it

Chinese "6th gen" my smelly daalkhor gaan'

pls stop doing tattagiri of this lot, its a bad look

If anyone could, gangus on our East would certainly be doing it. Guess what? Yall cant.

Facts are facts my dravidian friend.

 

[Sharma Ji]

If anyone could, gangus on our East would certainly be doing it. Guess what? Yall cant.

Facts are facts my dravidian friend.

Oh please, they doing all sorts of outrageous things with RC aircraft and drones these days. You'd have to be a special kind of retahrd to fall for fakery these days.

 

[Bilal9]

Also funny that @Sharma Ji, an Indian, of all things telling us that the Chinese are in denial. The Indians are known for being in denial and delusional about their ‘supapowa’ 2020 while still defecating on the streets. I’m sure @Bilal9 knows well

Bhai - it's okay. We don't need to characterize ethnicities or nationalities publicly on the actions of a few individuals.

Entire China or entire India is not like this. Let's not target people like this.

We are in an international forum which cannot be used to target specific ethnicities or nationalities.

Please no slurs or name calling....if I see any name calling I will lock the thread.