Middle East/Africa Gaza-Israel Conflict

[TheNewb77]

Hamaray log aattay main namak k brabar hain gay in front of these Indian hordes now running helter skelter around in both the US and Canada. The facts are there’s like a thousand hindu/sikh/ gujju to our ten people everywhere. We are totally outnumbered!

The Sikhs in Canada & the UK are generally pro-Pakistanis and vice-versa. I've seen many Pakistanis help Sikhs start businesses in Canada and I've seen Sikhs be generous towards Pakistanis.

There are a lot of international Sikh students who act like wild animals, however, and they paint a bad picture of them for everyone.

Canadians are very well fed up of this. They cannot generally separate a Sikh, Hindu, etc. Indian person. When the Indian-Canada spat happened over India's killing of a Sikh in Canada, the Canadians at vehemently supported Canada's stance as they were sick of India (no pun intended) with their mass migration and scams calls, etc. But the irony is that most of the reason for that is due to the massive Sikh migration in Canada and the Hindutva attempt to control Canada for it. So Canada ends up being this weird place where it is an outbranch of a 'Sikh empire' of sorts but the people of the country dislike India because of the actions of the Indian Sikhs in Canada while at the same time India dislikes Canada because of its lenient stance towards Khalistan (which is far more than even Pakistan's support).

 

[4MikeEcho]

Saddens me: never have leaders of 2BN Muslims stood by as this devastation occurs. From Turkey to Morocco to the GCC.

How is this possible? My friends in a GCC country, when I sent them a picture of a pro-Gaza march, they didn’t even respond. Everybody been suppressed by their leaders.

Social media was supposed to make information and action more visible. The opposite seems to be happening.

Is this what Hamas had in mind: signing the death warrant of a million Gaza’s (I consider the ones that are live to be the living dead)

Hamas says Israel ‘not serious’ about reaching Gaza truce and captives deal

Senior Hamas official Khalil al-Hayya tells Al Jazeera that Netanyahu only wants to prolong the war to remain in power.

www.aljazeera.com

Israel’s war on Gaza live: Food trucks surrounded as hunger spreads in Gaza​

By Lyndal Rowlands and Alastair Mccready
Published On 19 Feb 202419 Feb 2024
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• Footage verified by Al Jazeera shows hundreds of Palestinians in Gaza City rushing towards aid trucks before fleeing after Israeli forces open fire at them.
• Gaza’s Health Ministry says an eighth person has died at Nasser Hospital in Khan Younis after the Israeli military cut electricity and oxygen supplies.
• The State of Palestine will address the International Court of Justice (ICJ) as hearings on Israel’s occupation of Palestine start on Monday.
• At least 127 people have been killed in Israeli strikes on Gaza in the past 24 hours. Israeli bombardment has killed at least 28,985 Palestinians and wounded 68,883 since October 7. The death toll in Israel from the October 7 Hamas-led attacks stands at 1,139.

 

[Lulldapull]

Saddens me: never have leaders of 2BN Muslims stood by as this devastation occurs. From Turkey to Morocco to the GCC.

How is this possible? My friends in a GCC country, when I sent them a picture of a pro-Gaza march, they didn’t even respond. Everybody been suppressed by their leaders.

Social media was supposed to make information and action more visible. The opposite seems to be happening.

Is this what Hamas had in mind: signing the death warrant of a million Gaza’s (I consider the ones that are live to be the living dead)

Hamas says Israel ‘not serious’ about reaching Gaza truce and captives deal

Senior Hamas official Khalil al-Hayya tells Al Jazeera that Netanyahu only wants to prolong the war to remain in power.

www.aljazeera.com

Israel’s war on Gaza live: Food trucks surrounded as hunger spreads in Gaza​

By Lyndal Rowlands and Alastair Mccready
Published On 19 Feb 202419 Feb 2024
Click here to share on social media

• Footage verified by Al Jazeera shows hundreds of Palestinians in Gaza City rushing towards aid trucks before fleeing after Israeli forces open fire at them.
• Gaza’s Health Ministry says an eighth person has died at Nasser Hospital in Khan Younis after the Israeli military cut electricity and oxygen supplies.
• The State of Palestine will address the International Court of Justice (ICJ) as hearings on Israel’s occupation of Palestine start on Monday.
• At least 127 people have been killed in Israeli strikes on Gaza in the past 24 hours. Israeli bombardment has killed at least 28,985 Palestinians and wounded 68,883 since October 7. The death toll in Israel from the October 7 Hamas-led attacks stands at 1,139.

Sir G our ghareeb can't say much on line vurna jobain jaanay da khatra ho jaanda ne. You know these hillbillay boss/ co-worker read your comments on fb or Insta or X, then you lose your job! For da love of god please don't put comments on social media on your accounts, itthay no problem. Here we all largely anonymous. Jo vhee kenha ne itthay keh lo buss. Be very careful folks.......Trump nay 100% vaapas aana hae ga just watch. He's already threatened to deport anyone seen on Gaza marches in da US using facial recognition AI software, Homeland security already has the recordings. Harami da putter trump just waiting to act on his rhetoric. He coming back big time aur saadday vilayeti ghareeban de shammat aani ae. Friend of mine working at meta told me k bhai be very careful what you post online or visit online now. The new policy which will be unveiled within da decade or so will be an AI bot generated profile of you when you go apply for a job/ intend to purchase property or go try putting up your kid in some school district or apply for credit/ loan......Tuwaddi saari IP online website visit/ comment history will be part of the job interview/ review process associated with your online IP history. They are moving toward this now.

 

[4MikeEcho]

Sir G our ghareeb can't say much on line vurna jobain jaanay da khatra ho jaanda ne. You know these hillbillay boss/ co-worker read your comments on fb or Insta or X, then you lose your job! For da love of god please don't put comments on social media on your accounts, itthay no problem. Here we all largely anonymous. Jo vhee kenha ne itthay keh lo buss. Be very careful folks.......Trump nay 100% vaapas aana hae ga just watch. He's already threatened to deport anyone seen on Gaza marches in da US using facial recognition AI software, Homeland security already has the recordings. Harami da putter trump just waiting to act on his rhetoric. He coming back big time aur saadday vilayeti ghareeban de shammat aani ae. Friend of mine working at meta told me k bhai be very careful what you post online or visit online now. The new policy which will be unveiled within da decade or so will be an AI bot generated profile of you when you go apply for a job/ intend to purchase property or go try putting up your kid in some school district or apply for credit/ loan......Tuwaddi saari IP online website visit/ comment history will be part of the job interview/ review process associated with your online IP history. They are moving toward this now.

This may fly in the US (till the law suits start rolling in), but in the EU this will be never permitted. European standard for digital privacy is much higher.

As for social media: certainly if one lives in a country where the Govt is supporting Israel, it is understandable that some won't respond. But these people are living in GCC countries. When did the rulers there adopt the position that their citizens should be afraid to support Gazans. This is terrible. As for me, I can't go help Gazans, but the least I can do is to keep going to these marches to pressure the politicians in my country to not be on wrong side of history

 

[Lulldapull]

This may fly in the US (till the law suits start rolling in), but in the EU this will be never permitted. European standard for digital privacy is much higher.

As for social media: certainly if one lives in a country where the Govt is supporting Israel, it is understandable that some won't respond. But these people are living in GCC countries. When did the rulers there adopt the position that their citizens should be afraid to support Gazans. This is terrible. As for me, I can't go help Gazans, but the least I can do is to keep going to these marches to pressure the politicians in my country to not be on wrong side of history

Yaar all I said is that US will take that patriot act to a new level when Trump sahb returns aur jo US kehnde hae vo EU waalay karde ne. Ager tussi jande ho protest per, then atleast wear mask.......Ae harami saara kuchh record karde hain ge. Just be careful. Right wing gubments nay aana hae down da road everywhere.

 

[4MikeEcho]

I don't think this whole thing will fly in Congress. Democrats would never go with this, and assuming Trump wins and Republicans win both Senate and House this will have to be by a huge margin to go along with this approach.

 

[Lulldapull]

I don't think this whole thing will fly in Congress. Democrats would never go with this, and assuming Trump wins and Republicans win both Senate and House this will have to be by a huge margin to go along with this approach.

yaar he's coming back. Biden sahb is done!

 

[4MikeEcho]

Given this thread is about Gazans, their life will be no different/less miserable and Israel no less supported regardless of its Biden or Trump. So his coming may change outlook on rest of the world (like NATO / Europe / Russia) but will have no bearing on change in policy in Israel. If anything , Republicans in general tend to be more pro-Israel. Throw in the Evangelicalcs that are ready for rupture as a way to heaven, and they more than ever want the world to end on their watch.

And Trump particularly is much more in the pocket of AIPAC. Remember he recognized Jerusalem.

Muslims/Arabs will be fine and will struggle to influence policy. But it is ultimately up to the Arab World and extended non-Western countries to say enough is enough and draw a line in the sand on how much suffering and humiliations Gazans should be subject to.

 

[4MikeEcho]

Israel's economy shrinks more than expected on Gaza war

Its gross domestic product contracted by far more than expected in the wake of the conflict with Gaza.

www.bbc.com

Israel's economy shrinks more than expected on Gaza war​

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Israel's economy shrank by far more than expected in the wake of conflict with Hamas in Gaza, according to official figures.

Gross domestic product (GDP) - a key measure of a country's economic health - fell by 19% on an annualised basis in the fourth quarter of 2023.

That is the equivalent of a fall of 5% between October and December.

GDP was "directly affected" by the outbreak of the conflict on 7 October, the Central Bureau of Statistics said.

Israel and Hamas have been at war after gunmen from the Palestinian group launched an unprecedented attack on Israel from Gaza - the deadliest in Israel's history.

About 1,200 people were killed during the attack. Hamas, which is considered a terrorist group by Israel, the US, the European Union and the UK, also took more than 250 men, women and children hostage.

An Israeli military campaign has followed, which has killed 29,000 people in the Palestinian territory, according to the Hamas-run health ministry there.

• Why are Israel and Hamas fighting in Gaza?
• What is GDP and how is it measured?

Experts said the data released on Monday by Israel's Central Bureau of Statistics was much worse than had been expected.

The median estimate in a Bloomberg survey of analysts was for an annualised decline of 10.5%.

The Central Bureau of Statistics said the war had sharply curtailed spending, travel and investment at the end of last year.

It said private spending dropped by 26.3%, exports fell by 18.3% and there had been a 67.8% slide in investment in fixed assets, especially in residential buildings. The construction sector suffered from a lack of labour, due to military call-ups and a reduction in Palestinian workers.

Meanwhile, government spending, mainly on war expenses and compensating businesses and households, jumped by 88.1%.

Despite the sharp drop in GDP between October and December, Israel's economy grew by 2% for the full year.

However, before the 7 October attacks, it had been expected to expand by 3.5%.

Liam Peach, emerging markets economist at Capital Economics, said the contraction of Israel's economy was "much worse than had been expected and highlights the extent of the hit from the Hamas attacks and the war in Gaza".

He said the country's growth outlook for 2024 "now looks likely to post one of its weakest rates on record".

Elsewhere, the conflict has affected trade. Houthi rebels, backed by Iran, have been targeting cargo ships on the Red Sea that are heading to the Suez Canal.

Egypt's President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi said on Monday that the attacks had cut Suez Canal revenue by between 40% and 50% this year.

The Red Sea is one of the world's most important routes for cargo - almost 15% of global seaborne trade usually passes through the area.

The Houthis have been carrying out strikes from bases in Yemen on ships which they claim are Israeli-owned, flagged or operated, or are heading to Israeli ports. However, the owners and operators of many vessels claim they have no links with Israel at all.

The US and the UK have carried out retaliatory strikes on Houthi targets in Yemen in turn.

But even before this, some of the world's largest shipping companies had stopped their vessels from passing through the strait.

 

[TheNewb77]

 

[Old School]

[H1]Protests in New York as US campuses brace for more unrest over Gaza war: Live updates[/H1]

Protests in New York as US campuses brace for more unrest over Gaza war: Updates

Columbia University, the epicenter of the demonstrations, said classes will provide a virtual learning option through the end of the semester.

www.usatoday.com

 

[4MikeEcho]

[h1]Protests in New York as US campuses brace for more unrest over Gaza war: Live updates[/h1]

Protests in New York as US campuses brace for more unrest over Gaza war: Updates

Columbia University, the epicenter of the demonstrations, said classes will provide a virtual learning option through the end of the semester.

www.usatoday.com

Has anybody seen any social media footage? Is this all ethnicities or mostly arab protesters only?

If this becomes mainstream, while i was not around, this is how the anti-Vietnam protests took momentum. Thought in this case it started only at elite institutions. I don't believe that was the case in anti-vietnam

 

[Old School]

[h1]Protests in New York as US campuses brace for more unrest over Gaza war: Live updates[/h1]

Protests in New York as US campuses brace for more unrest over Gaza war: Updates

Columbia University, the epicenter of the demonstrations, said classes will provide a virtual learning option through the end of the semester.

www.usatoday.com

Has anybody seen any social media footage? Is this all ethnicities or mostly arab protesters only?

If this becomes mainstream, while i was not around, this is how the anti-Vietnam protests took momentum. Thought in this case it started only at elite institutions. I don't believe that was the case in anti-vietnam

All ethnicities and a lot of white protestors. It is spreading now to all campuses all over America. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/pr...er-cities-college-campuses-simmer-2024-04-23/

 

[4MikeEcho]

Clear separation between Jews and Zionists, a big protest opposing US support for Israel, and getting arrested like the protestors at universities.

Telling quote
"We as American Jews will not be used, we will not be complicit and we will not be silent. Judaism is a beautiful, thousands-year-old tradition, and Israel is a 76-year-old colonial apartheid state," Morgan Bassichis, an organizer with Jewish Voice for Peace, told the crowd.

"This is the Passover that we take our exodus from Zionism. Not in our name. Let Gaza live."

‘Not like other Passovers’: hundreds of Jewish demonstrators arrested after New York protest seder

About 300 people were detained near Senate majority leader Chuck Schumer’s Brooklyn home

www.theguardian.com

[H1]'Not like other Passovers': hundreds of Jewish demonstrators arrested after New York protest seder[/H1]
About 300 people were detained near Senate majority leader Chuck Schumer's Brooklyn home

Nina Lakhani
Wed 24 Apr 2024 02.28 EDTLast modified on Wed 24 Apr 2024 11.29 EDT


Hundreds of Jewish anti-war demonstrators have been arrested during a Passover seder that doubled as a protest in New York, as they shut down a major thoroughfare to pray for a ceasefire and urge the Senate majority leader, Chuck Schumer, to end US military aid to Israel.
The 300 or so arrests took place on Tuesday night at Grand Army Plaza, on the doorstep of Schumer's Brooklyn residence, where thousands of mostly Jewish New Yorkers gathered for the seder, a ritual that marked the second night of the holiday celebrated as a festival of freedom by Jews worldwide.

The seder came just before the US Senate resoundingly passed a military package that includes $26bn for Israel.



https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-reports-of-mass-graves-at-two-gaza-hospitals
The protesters called on Schumer – who is among a minority of Democrats to recently criticize the Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu – to stop arming Israel's military, which relies heavily on US weapons, jet fuel and other military equipment.

Police arrested hundreds of people as a pro-Palestinian Jewish group gathered to protest in Brooklyn, New York. Photograph: Anadolu/Getty Images

"We as American Jews will not be used, we will not be complicit and we will not be silent. Judaism is a beautiful, thousands-year-old tradition, and Israel is a 76-year-old colonial apartheid state," Morgan Bassichis, an organizer with Jewish Voice for Peace, told the crowd.


"This is the Passover that we take our exodus from Zionism. Not in our name. Let Gaza live."

The mass arrests came after the seder rituals. Speakers included journalist and author Naomi Klein, Palestinian activist Linda Sarsour, and several Jewish students suspended from Columbia University and Barnard College over the protests that have rocked US campuses in recent days.

Rabbi Miriam Grossman, from Brooklyn, led a prayer before the first cup of ritual wine. "We pray for everyone besieged, for everyone facing starvation and mass bombardment."

"This Passover is not like other Passovers," said Klein. "So many are not with their families but this movement is our family," she added in reference to political disagreements that have divided Jewish families since the start of the war.

Klein spoke after eating the bitter herbs that represent the bitterness of slavery at the seder. "Our Judaism cannot be contained by an ethnostate, for our Judaism is internationalist by its very nature. Our Judaism cannot be protected by the rampaging military of that ethnostate, for all that military does is sow sorrow and reap hatred, including hatred against us as Jews."

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Jewish communities have often used Passover to protest about global injustice. Tuesday's protest, organizers said, was inspired by the 1969 Freedom Seder, organized by Arthur Waskow on the anniversary of Dr Martin Luther King Jr's death. The original Freedom Seder sought to connect the Jewish exodus story with the struggle for civil rights in the US and against the war in Vietnam.

One protester, a 31-year-old Jewish woman who asked not to be named for security reasons, said: "Passover is about liberation. In our family, Palestinians have always been part of our celebration and mourning. The call for liberation is more important now than ever … As Americans, the billions of our tax dollars in the Israeli military bill is outrageous and horrifying."

Jewish groups have staged a number of high-profile antiwar actions in the US since 7 October, shutting down sites from the Capitol to the Statue of Liberty. Jewish activists held another seder on Monday, the first night of Passover, at Columbia's protest encampment.

Israel's offensive has killed at least 34,000 Palestinians in Gaza including 13,000 children. The 7 October 2023 attack by Hamas killed about 1,200 people in southern Israel. Tuesday marked 200 days since the war began.

 

[4MikeEcho]

Clear separation between Jews and Zionists, a big protest opposing US support for Israel, and getting arrested like the protestors at universities.

Telling quote
"We as American Jews will not be used, we will not be complicit and we will not be silent. Judaism is a beautiful, thousands-year-old tradition, and Israel is a 76-year-old colonial apartheid state," Morgan Bassichis, an organizer with Jewish Voice for Peace, told the crowd.

"This is the Passover that we take our exodus from Zionism. Not in our name. Let Gaza live."

‘Not like other Passovers’: hundreds of Jewish demonstrators arrested after New York protest seder

About 300 people were detained near Senate majority leader Chuck Schumer’s Brooklyn home

www.theguardian.com

[H1]'Not like other Passovers': hundreds of Jewish demonstrators arrested after New York protest seder[/H1]
About 300 people were detained near Senate majority leader Chuck Schumer's Brooklyn home

Nina Lakhani
Wed 24 Apr 2024 02.28 EDTLast modified on Wed 24 Apr 2024 11.29 EDT


Hundreds of Jewish anti-war demonstrators have been arrested during a Passover seder that doubled as a protest in New York, as they shut down a major thoroughfare to pray for a ceasefire and urge the Senate majority leader, Chuck Schumer, to end US military aid to Israel.
The 300 or so arrests took place on Tuesday night at Grand Army Plaza, on the doorstep of Schumer's Brooklyn residence, where thousands of mostly Jewish New Yorkers gathered for the seder, a ritual that marked the second night of the holiday celebrated as a festival of freedom by Jews worldwide.

The seder came just before the US Senate resoundingly passed a military package that includes $26bn for Israel.



https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-reports-of-mass-graves-at-two-gaza-hospitals
The protesters called on Schumer – who is among a minority of Democrats to recently criticize the Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu – to stop arming Israel's military, which relies heavily on US weapons, jet fuel and other military equipment.

Police arrested hundreds of people as a pro-Palestinian Jewish group gathered to protest in Brooklyn, New York. Photograph: Anadolu/Getty Images

"We as American Jews will not be used, we will not be complicit and we will not be silent. Judaism is a beautiful, thousands-year-old tradition, and Israel is a 76-year-old colonial apartheid state," Morgan Bassichis, an organizer with Jewish Voice for Peace, told the crowd.


"This is the Passover that we take our exodus from Zionism. Not in our name. Let Gaza live."

The mass arrests came after the seder rituals. Speakers included journalist and author Naomi Klein, Palestinian activist Linda Sarsour, and several Jewish students suspended from Columbia University and Barnard College over the protests that have rocked US campuses in recent days.

Rabbi Miriam Grossman, from Brooklyn, led a prayer before the first cup of ritual wine. "We pray for everyone besieged, for everyone facing starvation and mass bombardment."

"This Passover is not like other Passovers," said Klein. "So many are not with their families but this movement is our family," she added in reference to political disagreements that have divided Jewish families since the start of the war.

Klein spoke after eating the bitter herbs that represent the bitterness of slavery at the seder. "Our Judaism cannot be contained by an ethnostate, for our Judaism is internationalist by its very nature. Our Judaism cannot be protected by the rampaging military of that ethnostate, for all that military does is sow sorrow and reap hatred, including hatred against us as Jews."

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Jewish communities have often used Passover to protest about global injustice. Tuesday's protest, organizers said, was inspired by the 1969 Freedom Seder, organized by Arthur Waskow on the anniversary of Dr Martin Luther King Jr's death. The original Freedom Seder sought to connect the Jewish exodus story with the struggle for civil rights in the US and against the war in Vietnam.

One protester, a 31-year-old Jewish woman who asked not to be named for security reasons, said: "Passover is about liberation. In our family, Palestinians have always been part of our celebration and mourning. The call for liberation is more important now than ever … As Americans, the billions of our tax dollars in the Israeli military bill is outrageous and horrifying."

Jewish groups have staged a number of high-profile antiwar actions in the US since 7 October, shutting down sites from the Capitol to the Statue of Liberty. Jewish activists held another seder on Monday, the first night of Passover, at Columbia's protest encampment.

Israel's offensive has killed at least 34,000 Palestinians in Gaza including 13,000 children. The 7 October 2023 attack by Hamas killed about 1,200 people in southern Israel. Tuesday marked 200 days since the war began.