🇧🇩 In Bangladesh, A Violent 'Student Revolution' is on بنگلہ دیش میں انقلاب

[Bilal9]

 

[Old School]

You can not get real videos from YouTube or FB because of Indian biased censorship. Posting youtube will only get them monetization. Get videos from X as they allow a lot.

 

[Old School]

The latest update:

1. Thousands of protesters are active in these areas from Uttara, Yatrabari, Malibagh Railgate to Rampura area, Badda, Mohammadpur — of the capital Dhaka.

2. It is reported that Mohammadpur police station has been surrounded.

3. Policemen who rent houses in private areas are being attacked searching for houses.

4. They have not faced any violence even though the army came to the field.

Source: Trusted journalists on duty in various places of Dhaka city.

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[Old School]

Quota agitation coordinator Nahid Islam arrested. His whereabouts have not yet been confirmed.
Although law enforcers on behalf of the family have been contacted, it is not yet known where Nahid Islam is.
Nahid Islam on Friday was at a friend's house in Khilgaon's Nandipara .

 

[Old School]

BNP standing committee member Nazrul Islam Khan detained.
Detective Branch (DB) of police arrested BNP standing committee member Nazrul Islam Khan from his Banani DOHS residence on Saturday morning.
BNP Chairperson's Press Wing confirmed the news.
BNP Secretary General Mirza Fakhrul Islam Alamgir has expressed deep concern over the incident and demanded his immediate release, said BNP chairperson's press wing official Shairul Kabir Khan.

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[Old School]

Army checkpoint at Dhaka's Matsya Bhaban

Locals raise their hands in front of police during curfew in Badda

 

[Old School]

The death toll from this week's protests has exceeded 100.

According to AFP, 115 people have been killed so far in this week's protests.

According to the national daily Prothom Alo report, 56 people were killed on Friday. The death toll in the last three days has risen to 103.

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[Old School]

Malaysia based journalist Manawar Alam Nirjhar, spoke to a media journalist in Dhaka a while ago today, listen to the latest update from him in the FB link below:

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US Embassy, Dhaka




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[Old School]

All internet connections are down in the country.
Although Bangladesh has been disconnected from the internet connection for more than 45 hours, it is not sure when this service will be available again.
Bangladesh Telecommunication Regulatory Commission (BTRC) Chairman Mohiuddin Ahmed has said that the work of reconnecting and repairing the damaged data center and transmission line at the BTRC building in Mohakhali is underway.
Quoting the chairman, the company's public relations officer Nur A Khwaja said that work is underway to restore the internet connection to normal. So far, the work has progressed well.
Although the authorities have talked about the transmission line, mobile internet services are also closed.
There is no clear word on when the internet connection will be restored.

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[Old School]

Press Release from the Junior Officers of Bangladesh Army.

 

[LeonBlack08]

Latest update from social media and Netra News July 20 2024

• Internet hasn't been restored completely yet, but the call quality has improved so more news coming in from Bangladesh. This is the most neutral news source at this time, since nothing else is coming out apart from sanitized reports from Govt sources through BBC Bangla and Indian Media.
• Army has been deployed in key govt installation, not as much on the streets.
• Even though BAL leader Obaidul ordered a "Shoot at sight" order, Army has not yet conducted that. They have been checking IDs of people though. This shows there is a clear disconnect between the army and the govt. Earlier there was a strong unsubstiated reports coming out that the army didn't want to come out under civilian administration and DGFI had sequestered the 3 forces chiefs to pressurize and convince them to agree to deploying the troops as per govt. wishes.
• Students and General People are resisting across the country in small pockets, even though a curfew is in effect.
  
  • Police having a lot of casualties. Uttara and Gabtoli areas of Dhaka reported multiple Police casualty.
  • Thousands of protesters in Rampura area of Dhaka - Police shelling tear gas from helicopters
• All the main leaders of the general student protest are now missing / unreachable - presumably arrested by the state. They had earlier announced that the protest will continue to go on despite their death and/or arrest.

Source: Social Media and Netra News

 

[LeonBlack08]

Press Release from the Junior Officers of Bangladesh Army.

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Thank you @Old School and @Bilal9 Bhais. I am not regular on any forum as much now due to family commitments. But these are historic moments for Bangladesh, so calls for an exception.


Late last night an ex-cadet friend shared this with me and confirmed the source is legit -

Lt Col Mustafizur Rahman - Former Commanding officer at Special Forces of Bangladesh

The quick summary of the video is - BD gov wanted army to be deployed under civil admin and implement shoot at sight order, but the 3 forces chiefs wanted military magestracy power. There was a tug of war.

The gov used DGFI to sequester and pressurize the 3 chiefs to accept the govt proposal.

At the time of video - no troops were deployed but now they are on the ground. However - There is a clear disconnect between what Govt wants vs what army is actually doing. Govt wanted shoot at sight - Obaidul Qader said so himself and BBC reported it. But nothing of that sort is happening as per the reports from the ground at this time.

Earlier - there were also unsubstatiated reports of officers resigning. However these are unverified.

 

[LeonBlack08]

Latest footage from Indian media - from yesterday morning after army deployment in Dhaka - as you can see, no shoot at sight being implemented as BAL wanted. Although, the situation did get violent later in the day, but based on the reports - it was police/BGB vs protesters.

 

[LeonBlack08]

At least 25 more dead on Saturday, bringing total to 138

At least 25 people were killed on Saturday in yet another day of deadly violence in Bangladesh resulting from a ferocious government crackdown on a student movement that has morphed into anti-government protests, according to a count by our contributors on the ground who spoke to hospitals across the country, and a separate count of five additional deaths by a Dhaka-based newspaper.

Live Blog: Bangladesh Protests 2024

The live updates from reporters on the ground in Dhaka covering Bangladesh’s deadly student protests

netra.news

 

[Old School]

Please follow only Daily Manab Zamin and Netra News.

 

[Old School]

بنگلہ دیش میں انقلاب
I added the Urdu title to the thread for the Pakistani readers. lol

 

[Bilal9]

Please follow only Daily Manab Zamin and Netra News.

How about BBC and VOA?

 

[Bilal9]

Key events from a deadly Saturday in besieged Bangladesh

The ongoing protests in Bangladesh have resulted in at least 138 deaths, as the government faces severe pressure as public anger continues to escalate

Netra News
July 20th 2024



Scores of people in Bangladesh defied a curfew order to protest against the government, whose heavy-handed response has resulted in at least 25 more deaths, bringing the total to 138 as of Saturday night local time.

The actual death toll may be much higher, our collaborators on the ground say, as we can only calculate figures from a limited number of hospitals.

Police opened fire on protesters at multiple locations. In Savar, the police shooting caused at least three deaths and 16 injuries, all from gunshot wounds, according to medical sources.

Several thousand protesters attacked a seven-story Highway Police building in Narayanganj. They set fire to part of the building. Helicopters were sent, and 34 police officers were rescued, according to a police inspector.

Many bodies were taken by their relatives or ended up in smaller neighbourhood hospitals. Dhaka Medical College, which serves as a go-to location for people killed during engagement with the police, was seen struggling to accommodate the rising number of bodies.

Police refuse to provide casualty figures. Until yesterday, police at Dhaka Medical College Hospital were cooperative with journalists, providing death toll figures. But on Saturday, they said they couldn't reveal any information. Hospital staff are also not giving death figures in an official capacity.

The curfew appears more of a political decision enacted by Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina after meeting with leaders of 13 allied parties on Friday night. The military deployed appears to do little to enforce the curfew. Army troops were seen patrolling Dhaka streets with rifles and APCs, but there are no reports of the army shooting at protesters.

Illustration: Netra News

The government announced two days of national holiday on Sunday and Monday.

A significant breakdown of law and order occurred on Friday and Saturday. A powerful former mayor of Gazipur, from the ruling party, was attacked by protesters and is likely critically injured. His bodyguard was killed.

A jailbreak in Narsingdi on Friday saw at least 826 prisoners fleeing the prison. Up to 12,000 people attacked the prison with sticks, hockey sticks, rods, and machetes. Protesters set three barracks on fire.

Up to 4,000 protesters attacked a police base in Rangpur, laying siege to the compound until 10 AM Friday. Three protesters were killed.

At least four leaders of the Students Against Discrimination, including Nahid Islam, the main coordinator, were arrested. Nurul Haque Nur, the leader of the successful 2018 anti-job quota protests, was also arrested. The police, however, deny having Nahid in custody, according to a local TV channel's report.

Senior BNP leaders Nazrul Islam Khan and Amir Khasru Mahmud Chowdhury were also arrested from their homes. Detective Branch chief Harun-or-Rashid told a TV station that at least 70 BNP activists were arrested.

The Students Against Discrimination group said several of their leaders were under pressure from intelligence agencies to strike a deal with the government.

The Supreme Court will hear a petition against the High Court order to cancel quotas, a decision that triggered the protests. It is expected that the highest court of the country will abolish quotas again, as Hasina earlier indicated.

The condition of BNP leader Khaleda Zia was stable, according to her doctor Zahidur Rahman. "She has been admitted to a cabin at Evercare Hospital with CCU facilities. Today her condition was stable," he said, rejecting rumours that she was on life support.

 

[Bilal9]

EYE REPORT


Protests are going on in Dhaka ignoring the curfew, clashes and shootings at different places

First day of curfew in the capital of Bangladesh: What is known from the information sent by Netra News reporters and correspondents.

Netra News
July 20th 2024

Two hours break after curfew till 12 noon — Curfew resumes from 2 pm.

Disregarding the curfew, the protestors continue to protest widely in Uttara, Rampura, Mohammadpur, Badda, Mirpur and other areas of the capital Dhaka. In some places, the number of protesters has increased compared to previous days.

Mirpur-10 area protestors clashed with police and BGB.

Several policemen were killed by protesters in Uttara and Gabtali. Protesters torched a police station in Uttara and surrounded a police station in Mohammadpur.

At least three people were killed when a group of unidentified men dressed in white opened fire on protesters in the presence of the army in Uttara.

Rampura area under the control of several thousand protesters. Helicopter patrols are underway. Army and police are in strict position to suppress the protestors.

Army checkposts at various places in the capital. Army personnel are checking the IDs of civilians on the streets and asking everyone to stay at home through mikes. So far army personnel have not been seen in aggressive/aggressive positions in the capital except Rampura and Shanir Akhara.

After the late night anti-discrimination student movement leader Nahid Islam and Daksu's former VP Nurul Haque Noor were detained, some of their family members have also been "held hostage", relatives and colleagues of Nahid and Noor have alleged.

 

[Bilal9]

More from Netra News:

Fresh statement from protest leader

Netra News has obtained a video statement from Abdul Kader, one of the coordinators of the anti-discrimination student movement leading the ongoing student protests in Bangladesh. We have broadcast the statement on Facebook without any significant alterations or edits.

Key points of the statement:

• "Law enforcement agencies and party cadres launched sudden attacks on students, shooting and killing almost a hundred students like birds. Several of our coordinators have been abducted. [...] Intimidation is being used."
• "We cannot betray the martyrs by going to a roundtable discussion. We will not sit for dialogues under these circumstances. We unequivocally declare that our movement on the streets will continue until our demands are met."
• "We firmly believe that our patriotic army will stand by the students and the public in this justified movement of the student community."
• "We appeal to the nation: stand by us, stand by the ordinary students, stand by your kids."
• "Our nine demands are as follows:
  • The Prime Minister must apologize to the nation by accepting responsibility for the student killings.
  • The resignation of Home Minister Asaduzzaman Khan Kamal and Road Transport and Bridges Minister Obaidul Quader
  • Dismiss the DIG (deputy inspector generals), Police Commissioner, and Police Superintendent of the areas where student killings and injuries occurred.
  • The resignation of the Vice-Chancellors and Proctors of Dhaka University, Jahangirnagar University, and Rajshahi University."
  • Arrest and file murder charges against each police officer and ruling party terrorist accused of student killings.
  • Compensation for the families of killed and injured students.
  • Ban party-affiliated student politics on all campuses.
  • Reopen educational institutions and halls.
  • Ensure that no student participating in the movement faces any academic or administrative harassment."
• "If our nine demands are met, we will sit for discussions with the general students. Through these discussions, we will finalize the dialogue with the government. Otherwise, our shutdown program will continue."

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BNP leader Amir Khasru Mahmud Chowdhury arrested: family

Amir Khasru Mahmud Chowdhury, a senior leader with the opposition Bangladesh Nationalist Party (BNP), was arrested by authorities, his son told a Netra News contributor.

We are awaiting police confirmation.

Chowdhury would be the second senior opposition leader to be arrested since the anti-quota student movement began. A former cabinet minister, he led the opposition party's foreign affairs-related matters.

Students insist that they don't have any partisan affiliation, and their movement was specific to their demands, but government officials often blamed the BNP for the protests.

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At least 25 more dead on Saturday, bringing total to 138

At least 25 people were killed on Saturday in yet another day of deadly violence in Bangladesh resulting from a ferocious government crackdown on a student movement that has morphed into anti-government protests, according to a count by our contributors on the ground who spoke to hospitals across the country, and a separate count of five additional deaths by a Dhaka-based newspaper.

Eighteen of the killings on Saturday took place during the day, while two people who were critically injured on Friday died in intensive care in a hospital. An additional five deaths from Narsingdi, a district close to Dhaka, were privately verified by a Dhaka-based daily, but Netra News wasn't able to independently verify the figure.

We also received updated information from prior casualties, bringing the total revised tally of confirmed deaths to 138 — a figure likely to be a conservative count, according to journalists on the ground. Hospitals face increased pressure from authorities to limit cooperation with reporters.

The police, more than any other government agency on the ground, appear more aggressive in curbing the protesters. Some protesters have responded with retaliation, setting fire to several police vehicles and police stations.

Following intense violence on Friday, the Bangladesh government introduced a curfew, ordered a so-called "shoot-at-sight" policy, and deployed the army to tame the protest, while an all-out Internet shutdown remained in effect.

The last time Bangladesh witnessed such emergency measures was in 2007 during a caretaker regime, when an emergency declaration coupled with army deployment brought calm in two days. However, this bout of unrest appears to continue unabated, as public anger spreads from students to the transport sector and other working-class segments of society.

(This is a developing story, and the details may change as they emerge.)

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Disappearances feared in crackdown on protest leaders

After we reported earlier that a key leader of the anti-discrimination student movement, Nahid Islam, and former Dhaka University student union leader Nurul Haq Nur were detained, several members of their families have allegedly been "held hostage" as a pressure tactic, according to Nahid and Nur's relatives and colleagues who spoke to Netra News.

Meanwhile, BBC Bangla reports that while an unnamed police official privately acknowledged detaining Nahid Islam, a spokesperson for the Dhaka Metropolitan Police, Faruk Hossain, denied knowing anything about his arrest.

Nahid's father, Badrul Islam, told BBC Bangla that more than 18 hours after the arrest, the police refused to reveal his whereabouts.

Bangladeshi laws mandate that any individual detained must be presented before a court within 24 hours.

The denial and refusal by police to acknowledge a detainment are often seen as preludes to enforced disappearance.

Nahid's colleagues told Netra News that several others of their peers have been detained without any acknowledgement in what they called acts of "enforced disappearance."

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At least eight killed on Saturday

At least eight people were killed on Saturday, July 20th, during the ongoing anti-government protests defying curfew in Bangladesh, according to a count by Netra News based on eyewitness accounts and a separate count by BBC Bangla citing medical sources.

The latest count brings the confirmed tally of deaths resulting from the harsh crackdown on the protests to 113.

BBC Bangla reports that four of the deaths occurred in Jatrabari, Dhaka, during clashes with police. Medical sources told the outlet that the bodies stored in the Dhaka Medical College arrived from Jatrabari.

One other death occurred in Savar, on the outskirts of Dhaka, and 20 others were admitted to local hospitals with injuries.

In Uttara, Dhaka, Netra News received eyewitness accounts of three people killed when a group of unidentified individuals in plain clothes opened fire on protesters.

Netra News also received unverified reports of multiple dead policemen but is awaiting official confirmation.

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Military largely restrained despite 'shoot-at-sight' orders

The army, which has been deployed alongside the curfew, appears to have not taken a harsh stance so far, our contributors from Dhaka report.

There are army checkpoints at various places in the capital, where army personnel check the identity cards of people on the streets and use loudspeakers to instruct everyone to stay indoors. Apart from Rampura and Shanir Akhra, the army has not been seen taking an aggressive stance in the capital.

The army's posture is significant because Obaidul Quader, the Awami League party secretary and a top cabinet minister, told the local press that the curfew and the deployment of the armed forces signify "shoot-at-sight" policy at "miscreants."

 

[LeonBlack08]

How about BBC and VOA?

Mir Sabbir is editor of BBC Bangla and he was a Chatro League leader. That's why BBC Bangla was able to provide updates even when every other news outlet was unable to post update because of blackout. They are posting the govt narrative.

 

[Old School]

Protest rallies against the Mass Killing of students in Bangladesh were held in different cities in Florida, USA.

 

[Old School]

The prime minister's office website has been hacked . Hacked by THE R3SISTANC3

 

[LeonBlack08]

Both Jamaat e Islami Bangladesh and BNP has now officially confirmed this protest is now about Sheikh Hasina Stepping down from power.

 

[LeonBlack08]

 

[LeonBlack08]

 

[Old School]

This is a fake news authored by Salah Uddin Shoaib Choudhury:

Another fake report:

 

[LeonBlack08]

This is a fake news authored by Salah Uddin Shoaib Choudhury:

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Another fake report:
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Yeah, their intention is to cause confusion. The tweet was later removed.

 

[Samad11]

I wish that was true, but unfortunately, they don’t have permission to do that now.

Even so, they can 'UNOFFICIALLY'; retired intel./armed forces personnel can help advise, train and arm Muktijoddhas. Weapons can be collected from various sources and training can happen at various locations (including Arakan, contiguous to BD territory). Funds can be collected (as donations) from various overseas BD's & from well wishers who'd like to see Bangalee muslims & BD free ourselves from this road sitting who no-man oppressors & their black rearend renting prostitute razakars.

Last time ('71) they opposed EP's political/economic aspirations, even tried to suppress Muktijoddhas militarily & was handily defeated. Not to mention ignominious surrender to their worst enemy & the humiliation of running away from their own country (well, more like they were run out of here).

But, this time a great opportunity for them to avenge that humiliation by joining the winning (Muktijoddhas) side. Just like their forefathers won, almost a century ago, by joining Bangalee muslims, and as a result got a country in '47. Oh, and as a bonus, it's not the PA/PN/PAF that's our target this time around, it's the road sitting who no-mans and their razakar prostitutes occupying BD.

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I don't have much faith in our own armed forces officer cadre anymore, as they are currently constituted*1, having much/any loyalty to this country or love for the people. As for lower rank & file, especially soldiers, it's a big question which way they'll go! But, I'd rather not take chances, and make sure Muktijoddhas are properly trained and armed. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if they (security forces + razaakar terrorists trained by randiimaakalians) attacked BD civilian populations & Muktijoddhas too.

Even back in 2006, US/EU was able to use green-cards for high ranking officers (including midget hijra General MouiteeUdeen) and their immediate/extended family members, lucrative UN deployment jobs/contracts, and guaranteed safe passage of their looted money out of BD banks & of themselves along with family members as an incentive for armed forces to stage a coup. Subsequently, they structurally dismantled any nationalist political groups that could contest election and thwart any raindiimaakalian razakars from gaining the levers of BD. Then finally, to put a nail in the coffin of BD sovereignty & indipendence, they rigged the election in 2008 and brought randdimakalian razakars to power. Funny, by doing this, they also put a nail in the coffin of BD Armed Forces (Pilkhana massacre). And 15 years ago raandianmaakalian's had 0 infiltration of the armed forces and intelligence agencies. Whatever ifiltration they had in BD & govt. departments (since hagsina came to power in 1996, by commiting terrorism throughout the country from 1994 to 1996), was promptly & thoroughly wiped out after 2001 election.

*1 we lost a huge amount of officers loyal to BD in Pilkhana (carried out by road sitting who no-man and their prostitute razakar fake sheikh Hasina). Subsequent recruitment emphasized Indian mindset and loyalty serving their razakar prostitutes. Promotions of then (& current) serving officers were contingent upon those two criteria. Those who were found lacking, were either sidelined for promotion or eventually pushed out (early retirement) altogether.

They even changed their uniforms and adopted some $hit color, so that they could better blend in with the neighbouring roadsitters negero (Japanese word, look it up) uniform. Oh & here is the best part, my own first hand experience during a 16 Dec (Victory Day in BD) celebration, some years ago:

Armed Forces Officer, hence forth AFO, going overseas on training. After successfully completing this training, and upon returning to BD, AFO will be promoted to a high rank.

Person1: What's going on with armed forces, with so many Indians runnig around in the country, infiltrating every nook and cranny of the country? What do you (turning to AFO) think, shouldn't something be done to stop this?

Person2: (chimes in) yeah, not only are the current razakars supported by them, these razakars are allowing these Indians to infiltrate all the govt departments too. Even military intelligence (NSI/GDFI) has not been spared. Now theyre even trying to infiltrate the armed forces...(turns to AFO, with a vexed look on his face).

AFO: (and this is a direct quote) "amader Indiar shathe juddho kore kono laav nai"
literal translation: we war fighting with India gain no profit
translation: We don't gain anything by fighting a war against India

This is the kind of mentality the armed forces leadership currently have. They're corrupt to the core! All that money & wealth accumulated through corruption will be a complete waste, if they have to fight in a war and end up dying! So who cares if BDs sovereignty or independence is lost, as long as they can enjoy their their loot. If they're lucky, can serve some foreign nations interests too, so after retirement can get a green-card and move there!

** Sorry for the long rant! **

@Bilal9
@LeonBlack08

 

[Samad11]

Mir Sabbir is editor of BBC Bangla and he was a Chatro League leader. That's why BBC Bangla was able to provide updates even when every other news outlet was unable to post update because of blackout. They are posting the govt narrative.

They, mother renter leaguers (hey, don't look at me, that's what Muktijoddhas call them, apparently that's what they were doing back in '71 while rest of the population was fighting tooth-n-nail to free this country), put their Poltu & Boltus everywhere. That includes international news, human rights/other organizations, including various UN organs. They didn't just infiltrate BD.

 

[Samad11]

The prime minister's office website has been hacked . Hacked by THE R3SISTANC3

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"IT'S NOT A PROTEST ANYMORE, IT'S A WAR NOW"

Yes, yes, but where are the weapons? Unarmed Muktijoddhas are just peaceful student protesters. With some 400+ peaceful student protesters (some of whom are just school age kids) murdered, some were even brutally tortured like Abrar Fahad and then murdered. There has to be proper retaliation JUSTICE for the slain innocent peaceful protesting students, and against terrorist raandimakalian razakars occupying this country, oppressing 200 million people & looting 450-500 billion dollars (so far).

THE R3SISTANC3? Is that what CIA/NSA hacking units now call themselves?

@Old School where are your currently serving/retired contacts? Muktijoddhas need weapons, training, and I think they can manage the funding aspect.

@Bilal9
@LeonBlack08

 

[Old School]

"IT'S NOT A PROTEST ANYMORE, IT'S A WAR NOW"

Yes, yes, but where are the weapons? Unarmed Muktijoddhas are just peaceful student protesters. With some 400+ peaceful student protesters (some of whom are just school age kids) murdered, some were even brutally tortured like Abrar Fahad and then murdered. There has to be proper retaliation JUSTICE for the slain innocent peaceful protesting students, and against terrorist raandimakalian razakars occupying this country, oppressing 200 million people & looting 450-500 billion dollars (so far).

THE R3SISTANC3? Is that what CIA/NSA hacking units now call themselves?

@Old School where are your currently serving/retired contacts? Muktijoddhas need weapons, training, and I think they can manage the funding aspect.

You will be happier with what I am going to tell you now. When some fools try to construct a so-called "balance act" between the West and China while assuming everyone will agree to it , guess what happens! Both the West and China will come down hard on them. That is exactly what is happening now. Neither the West nor China want this regime to stay in power. Even in this forum, a Bengali poster consistently refused to accept this fact. So, I gave up on him. Many people are bad students to learn.
Fundings and logistics usually find their way whenever there are people of the willing. Never in history has there been a situation when willing people never received funding. It is the leadership that stays on course or sells itself. Be it George Washington, Fidel Castro, Ho Chi Minh, or Mao Zedong, they never compromised their people. However, many other leaders compromised. Regardless, they all received enough funding and assistance.

 

[Samad11]

You will be happier with what I am going to tell you now. When some fools try to construct a so-called "balance act" between the West and China while assuming everyone will agree to it , guess what happens! Both the West and China will come down hard on them. That is exactly what is happening now. Neither the West nor China want this regime to stay in power. Even in this forum, a Bengali poster consistently refused to accept this fact. So, I gave up on him. Many people are bad students to learn.
Fundings and logistics usually find their way whenever there are people of the willing. Never in history has there been a situation when willing people never received funding. It is the leadership that stays on course or sells itself. Be it George Washington, Fidel Castro, Ho Chi Minh, or Mao Zedong, they never compromised their people. However, many other leaders compromised. Regardless, they all received enough funding and assistance.

This 'current' funding is coming from the US, and supported by UK+EU. They will only install another fake sheikh hagsena v2 on us. This current hijra was also imposed by them on us all the back in 2006-2008! If we get funding & weapons sourced from elsewhere, other than the US, then we can chart our own post hijra magi course on installing a govt. duly elected and backed by public mandate, representing us and our national interests. This will make them answerable to us and also make their policies sway according to public opinions.

"Even in this forum, a Bengali poster consistently refused to accept this fact. So, I gave up on him."

Who? Name please... (raandiiNON-UK-NON-BANGALEE?)

As for China, it doesn't have the capacity to do regime change, they never built one. But who knows, they might do so in the future, but for now, only the US, with help from UK+EU+AUKUS.

China is pissed on many fronts, the most recent one was actually allowing transit of raandiimaakalian military hardware hiding inside civilian transport trucks all the way to the NE & Chinese borders. But other similar things have also been adding up over the years.

There's no balancing act between raandiimaakalian & China. China is a strategic partner. Road sitting who no-mans are a strategic, and the only threat to our very existence, even to our sovereignty & independence.

Hell, we don't even balance road sitters and you guys! Even after events of '71, the very Muktojoddhas who fought for 9 and 1/2 months, were the ones that kept strategic relations going with the former western half. The entire military doctrine that was inherited from their former institutions, they themselves very painstakingly, and with limited resource, kept it wholly intact! It was only tweaked or modified in places where holes were preexisting or lacked proper & complete defense of the East. This is also a very important & strategic relationship for us. Not to mention we can directly partner in South Asia who no-man managing Operations

For example, avenging assassination of the head of our state & you guys seeking retribution for your ignominious surrender in '71. Just that one instance of our respective interests coalescing was all that it took for us to jointly bag 1 road sitting devdashi who no-man & 2 of her road sitting who no-man bastarts! We settled the score 3:1, and ever since then, 1981, they haven't assassinated/killed a single one of our head of state or government since!

 

[Old School]

This 'current' funding is coming from the US, and supported by UK+EU. They will only install another fake sheikh hagsena v2 on us. This current hijra was also imposed by them on us all the back in 2006-2008! If we get funding & weapons sourced from elsewhere, other than the US, then we can chart our own post hijra magi course on installing a govt. duly elected and backed by public mandate, representing us and our national interests. This will make them answerable to us and also make their policies sway according to public opinions.

"Even in this forum, a Bengali poster consistently refused to accept this fact. So, I gave up on him."

Who? Name please... (raandiiNON-UK-NON-BANGALEE?)

As for China, it doesn't have the capacity to do regime change, they never built one. But who knows, they might do so in the future, but for now, only the US, with help from UK+EU+AUKUS.

China is pissed on many fronts, the most recent one was actually allowing transit of raandiimaakalian military hardware hiding inside civilian transport trucks all the way to the NE & Chinese borders. But other similar things have also been adding up over the years.

There's no balancing act between raandiimaakalian & China. China is a strategic partner. Road sitting who no-mans are a strategic, and the only threat to our very existence, even to our sovereignty & independence.

Hell, we don't even balance road sitters and you guys! Even after events of '71, the very Muktojoddhas who fought for 9 and 1/2 months, were the ones that kept strategic relations going with the former western half. The entire military doctrine that was inherited from their former institutions, they themselves very painstakingly, and with limited resource, kept it wholly intact! It was only tweaked or modified in places where holes were preexisting or lacked proper & complete defense of the East. This is also a very important & strategic relationship for us. Not to mention we can directly partner in South Asia who no-man managing Operations

For example, avenging assassination of the head of our state & you guys seeking retribution for your ignominious surrender in '71. Just that one instance of our respective interests coalescing was all that it took for us to jointly bag 1 road sitting devdashi who no-man & 2 of her road sitting who no-man bastarts! We settled the score 3:1, and ever since then, 1981, they haven't assassinated/killed a single one of our head of state or government since!

Didn't Ziaur Rehman betray you guys? He couldn't become a three-star general and president at the age of less than 40 without the help of your guys. He blatantly refused China's 50-year strategic partnership offer. The revolutionaries, Sena Parishad, worked very hard to build a good relationship with China, and Ziaur Rehman destroyed it only to stay in power by pleasing India. He even killed thousands of Sena Parishad soldiers, burying them in their uniform and boots in the middle of the night in unknown graves. Later, most of their top leaders became victims of the kangaroo court of Hasina and became martyred.
China will act decisively this time. On the recent Peking trip, they sent back Hasina home empty-handed.

 

[Bilal9]

This is a fake news authored by Salah Uddin Shoaib Choudhury:

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Another fake report:
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Apparently even some Bengali talk shows overseas like in the US are picking up on this fake story.

 

[Bilal9]

Didn't Ziaur Rehman betray you guys? He couldn't become a three-star general and president at the age of less than 40 without the help of your guys. He blatantly refused China's 50-year strategic partnership offer. The revolutionaries, Sena Parishad, worked very hard to build a good relationship with China, and Ziaur Rehman destroyed it only to stay in power by pleasing India. He even killed thousands of Sena Parishad soldiers, burying them in their uniform and boots in the middle of the night in unknown graves. Later, most of their top leaders became victims of the kangaroo court of Hasina and became martyred.
China will act decisively this time. On the recent Peking trip, they sent back Hasina home empty-handed.

I don't know if Ziaur Rahman was trying to please India, may have been simply trying to consolidate power and silence dissenters any way he knew how. This is the South Asian way, especially in military regimes. Early military days in Bangladesh with coups and counter-coups were the norm.

I agree (sense) that yes CCP have told off Hasina with a 'come to Jesus' meeting. That may have been the reason why she hurried back.

For those not used to the American slang, "Come to Jesus" means a hard talk, a wake-up call, facing the facts, an intervention, seeing the light etc. Hard Realization in other words.

 

[Old School]

Apparently even some Bengali talk shows overseas like in the US are picking up on this fake story.

Certified ignorants, mostly. They do not read but satisfy their confirmation biases.

 

[Old School]

I don't know if Ziaur Rahman was trying to please India, may have been simply trying to consolidate power and silence dissenters anyway he knew how. This is the South Asian way, especially in military regimes. Early military days in Bangladesh with coups and counter-coups were the norm.

Is your knowledge of Zia based on hearsay or an actual detailed documented study? These are two different things that shaped your perception.

 

[Bilal9]

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BNP and Jamaat are just trying to make hay out of this.

BNP will be just as corrupt an administration, if not more (as past experience shows), not sure about Jamaat.

All these parties need new leadership and fresh blood, and a coalition NDA govt. will be best to govern the country in the future.

 

[Bilal9]

Is your knowledge of Zia based on hearsay or an actual detailed documented study? These are two different things that shaped your perception.

Conversations with actual retired Bangladesh Army leadership. Detailed documented studies aren't available AFAIK, just sharing my opinion. If you have them (leaked MI5, CIA or NSA memos from that time) then please share them of course.

 

[Old School]

Conversations with actual retired Bangladesh Army leadership. Detailed documented studies aren't available AFAIK, just sharing my opinion. If you have them (leaked MI5, CIA or NSA memos from that time) then please share them of course.

I know Zia better than Mrs. Khaleda Zia, which is more than any retiree officer you can get. I am also old enough to see his regime first hand.

 

[Old School]

The Late Barrister Moudud Ahmed worked long with Ziaur Rehman and wrote many valuable books in English. Many of Zia's course mates, fellow officers, and other political partners also wrote many books. Try reading some. You don't need the CIA archive to know him. Casual off-and-on talks with a few people who themselves are not that knowledgeable in subject matters get you nowhere in critical analysis, as we do here, unlike Facebook pages. Someone has to dedicate considerable time to get many crucial details, which is not everyone's cup of tea. I am sure you never asked those people in detail if they knew how Zia formulated his modus operandi over all those years.
I used to run a military discussion forum 20 years ago. To become a member, you had to pass a questionary test. It was not open to casual discussions.

 

[Bilal9]

Saturday and Sunday update from Netra News - I have edited out the gory pictures:

Bloody Saturday in besieged Bangladesh — all day's news

As of Saturday, at least 138 people have been killed in the ongoing protests in Bangladesh.

Netra News

July 21st 2024


Many people took part in anti-government protests in Bangladesh by breaking the curfew. At least 25 more people were killed in the government's brutal response to these protests. As a result, the total number of dead has reached 138 by Saturday night local time.

Netra News correspondents involved in covering the protests in Bangladesh on the ground say that the actual death toll could be much higher, as it was possible to collect data from only a limited number of hospitals.

The police opened fire on the protesters at various places. At least three people were killed and 16 injured in police firing in Savar on the outskirts of the capital. According to information received from the hospital, all the victims died of gunshot wounds.

In the early days of the movement, the bodies of the dead were seen bearing numerous rubber bullet wounds, but recent photographs of the bodies obtained by Netra News have revealed fresh bullet wounds.

Bodies of protest victims kept on the floor of Dhaka Medical College, 20 July, Dhaka. Photo: Pradayak / Netra News

Most of the dead bodies are now being handed over to relatives or to small local hospitals, our correspondents said.

Usually the bodies of those killed in police incidents are brought to Dhaka Medical College Hospital. But as the number of dead bodies is increasing, the hospital authorities are finding it difficult to handle the situation.

Meanwhile, the police refused to give the death toll. Police gave the death toll to journalists at Dhaka Medical College Hospital till yesterday. But since Saturday, they refused to give the information. Hospital staff also declined to give an official death toll.

<picture edited>Collage photo of some people killed in protests in different parts of Bangladesh on July 19 and 20: Pradayak / Netra News

The ongoing curfew in Bangladesh is considered to be a political decision. Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina announced the curfew after a meeting with leaders of the 14-party alliance on Friday night. Although the army was deployed, they were not seen to take a strong role in enforcing the curfew. Army personnel with rifles and APCs have been seen patrolling the streets of Dhaka, but there have been no reports of them firing on protesters so far.

Meanwhile, the government has declared a two-day national holiday on Sunday and Monday.

The law and order situation deteriorated across the country on Friday and Saturday. A former mayor of Gazipur's Awami League strongman was attacked by protesters and seriously injured. His bodyguard was killed in the same incident.

In Narayanganj, thousands of protesters attacked the seven-story highway police building. A police inspector said that 34 policemen had to be rescued by sending a helicopter.

At least 826 prisoners escaped from a prison in Narsingdi on Friday. About 12,000 people attacked the jail with batons, hockey sticks, rods and chapatis (machetes). Protesters also set fire to three police barracks.

Around 4,000 protesters stormed a police outpost in Rangpur, blocking the premises until 10am on Friday. Three protesters were killed there.

Netra News reporters also reported that the writ petition filed against an order of the High Court Division against the cancellation of quota will soon come up for hearing in the Appellate Division of the Supreme Court. The ongoing protests started from the order of the High Court. It is expected that the highest court of the country will cancel the quota, as Hasina has already hinted.

Meanwhile, at least four student leaders, including Nahid Islam, one of the main coordinators of the anti-discrimination student movement, have been arrested. He has been released since then with injuries and is being treated at a hospital.

Nurul Haque Noor, who led the anti-quota movement in government jobs in 2018, was also arrested.

Anti-discrimination movement coordinators say several leaders are under pressure from intelligence agencies to settle with the government.

Senior BNP leaders Nazrul Islam Khan and Amir Khosru Mahmud Chowdhury were also detained from their homes. Harun-or-Rashid, head of Dhaka's detective police, told a TV channel that at least 70 BNP activists have been arrested so far.

Meanwhile, BNP chief Khaleda Zia's doctor Zahidur Rahman, has rejected rumors that she was on life support, said that her physical condition was stable. She was admitted to a cabin at Evercare Hospital CCU facilities.

 

[Bilal9]

The Late Barrister Moudud Ahmed worked long with Ziaur Rehman and wrote many valuable books in English. Many of Zia's course mates, fellow officers, and other political partners also wrote many books. Try reading some.

Sure thing @Old School bhai. I am guessing you are fluent in reading and writing Bengali as well?

 

[Old School]

Sure thing @Old School bhai. I am guessing you are fluent in reading and writing Bengali as well?

Yes, I do. My father was in the Navy, and we were in Chittagong before 1971.

 

[Bilal9]

[H1]Scenes from a besieged city[/H1]
Photos from July 18th to July 20th: A Netra News photographer on the ground in Dhaka has been documenting the ongoing student protests and the government's brutal crackdown against the protesters.

Netra News
July 21st 2024

July 19th — Graffiti: "Are you going to hold a dialogue with dead bodies?"

July 18th — Hundreds of protesters on the streets of Dhaka clash with the police.

July 19th — A RAB helicopter flying over a group of protesters in Dhaka. Netra News reporters witnessed indiscriminate firing from such helicopters that have been deployed to quell the protests.

July 19th — An injured man being taken to the emergency ward at the Dhaka Medical College Hospital, where Netra News reporters saw hundreds of injured men, women and children seeking treatment after being attacked by the police.

July 19th — An injured man being taken to the emergency ward at the Dhaka Medical College Hospital, where Netra News reporters saw hundreds of injured men, women and children seeking treatment after being attacked by the police.

July 19th — A man mourning for his loved one in front of the emergency ward at the Dhaka Medical College Hospital, where Netra News reporters saw hundreds of injured men, women and children seeking treatment after being attacked by the police.

July 20th — Army deployed on the streets of Dhaka to enforce a nationwide curfew.

July 20th — Army deployed on the streets of Dhaka to enforce a nationwide curfew.

July 20th — Army deployed on the streets of Dhaka to enforce a nationwide curfew.

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ADVISORY — Netra News is offering assistance to international and regional press covering the protests and unrest in Bangladesh. We have reporters and collaborators on the ground and can share material. Reach us via email: netra@netra.news

 

[Bilal9]

Couple of updates from DW...both feature good commentary by Tasneem Khalil, who is Editor in chief of Netra News.

 

[Samad11]

Didn't Ziaur Rehman betray you guys?

No he didn't!

He couldn't become a three-star general and president at the age of less than 40 without the help of your guys.

First of all, back in the 70's BD armed forces were too small to have any Lt. General/3-star rank. Zia & his predecessor K. M. Shafiullah, both became BA chiefs as Major General/2-star rank.

Secondly, there's no requirement that someone has to be 40 years old to be promoted to 3 stars! I guess you don't know how meteoric Zia's rise/promotions were in the BA; Zia was promoted one rank (to Lt. Col.) right in the middle of BD Independence War because of his performance while commanding troops in the field. He even raised the first Infantry Brigade/Regiment of BA during '71 independence war, by coalescing mostly EBR units + newly trained civilians (who you think as Muktijoddhas, but Muktijoddhas were both unformed former EBR + newly trained & inducted civilian voluunteers)!

He was 41 when elected as president in 1977.

He blatantly refused China's 50-year strategic partnership offer.

China never offers anyone strategic partnership, forget 50 years? If that was the case your state in the West would've signed such a lofty 50-year strategic partnership deal with China a long time ago. Even N. Korea doesn't have such a deal, they only have a mutual defense pact, but there's no time limit in this defense pact (50-years or otherwise). If China was offering such deals, they would've offered something like what you're saying to the Vietnamese, when Chinese leadership was supplying them with weapons & politically supporting them against the US.

China policy comes from 'Mozlum Jononeta' Maulana Abdul Hamid Khan Bhashani (a.k.a. 'The Red Maulana'). He was personally friends with high ranking leaders of the Chinese Communist Party & Central Committee. He considered China to be a proper Communist/Socialist country. Unlike US and Soviets, both of which he considered to be imperialist powers. He viewed China as a 3rd pole in the global order, one that doesn't interfere in the internal affairs of other poorer/global south countries and stands by them in their need & support those countries globally at various international forums.

China has always adhered to non-interference in other countries internal affairs;

It was Bhashani who personally helped establish your countries diplomatic relationship with China. After 1975, he advised Zia and other leaders in BS to follow western state's earlier example & establish diplomatic relations between our country & China. Which Zia did.

It was Bhashani who overthrew Ayub & freed political prisoners jailed on false/trumped up charges (including Mujib). It was Bhashani who made the (strategic decision) to withdraw from the 1970 general election, allowing Mujib to win 160 out of 162 parliamentary seats.

Bhashani is the true father of BD & it's founding ideology/identity, Bangalee Muslim Nationalism (one of the main branches from the old Muslim League tree, the other being Muslim Nationalism without any ethnicity attached to it). Bhashani was a prominent leader in the old ML!

Bhashani was the one who also formed 'All Party Language Movement Committee' in January of 1952, and you very well know how the Bangla Language Movement went the very next month (February)! Following year he also formed the Awami Muslim League & then renaming it to just Awami League; basically made the old Muslim League a defunct organization in the 1954 elections (United Front).

Zia formed BNP around core of Bhashani's National Awami Party/NAP and his 'Bangalee Muslim Nationalism' ideology. The only thing Zia did was change the outward appearance, in this case name, to Bangladeshi Nationalism, to make it sound more modern and less tinged with religious/ethnic identifiers.

But those who know about it's history & real meaning, like the indians, are always crying their eyes about how this is just Muslim League 'steely fist' ideology, covered in ethnic/linguistic 'velvety' gloves. There was a thread in the old PK forum about this exact thing, Nationalism is unacceptable to them.

The revolutionaries, Sena Parishad, worked very hard to build a good relationship with China, and Ziaur Rehman destroyed it only to stay in power by pleasing India.

BD didn't have any diplomatic relationship with China, until Zia established it in January 1976! He also repaired BD's relationship with Saudis (and other Muslim nations) and the US/West, while distancing us from Soviet/Indians (the ones who'd go onto kill Zia in 1981).

while having hostile relations with the US/West (the ones who'd finally kill him in Aug 15, 1975) and even other Muslim nations (Saudis/other Gulfies).

made our relationship with other nation almost hostile (and in the case of the western state, completely hostile). She's about to get it from the US/West.

Yes, Zia pleased Indians so much that they forced Tajuddin & Gen. Osmani to relieve him of field command, transfer him to HQ (moving him across the border) where Indians could keep a close eye on him. Only because of what he did to the Indians in Khemkaran sector in 1965 war, which won him the Hilal-i-Jurat (he also won the BD equivalent Bir Uttom), that they never trusted him!

He even killed thousands of Sena Parishad soldiers, burying them in their uniform and boots in the middle of the night in unknown graves.

LOL! So you think Soviets & Indians trying to stage multiple coups with financing and support, to destabilize BD or overthrow a govt. that doesn't kowtow to them should be allowed to happen? Forget Zia, the entire military leadership, along with the civilian leadership, was all for ruthlessly culling these foreign-funded agents.

In September 1977, the 'Japan Airlines Flight 472', was allowed to carry terrorists on board. This was then for no reason, other than to stage a coup, forced down at old Dhaka airport. This hijacking was used as a ploy to launch a full scale coup by enlisted & Jr ranked officers of the BAF. They killed a lot of the mid and high ranking BAF officers (most of whom were repatriated from the west after '71 and some of whom were even veterans of '65 war), who were there to negotiate a hostage rescue deal with the terrorists.

Even after this, during the court martial, military judges retained full independence & exercised freedom of decision making. Zia wasn't even involved in these proceedings, neither did he ever force, or even ask, a military judge to rescind or change their order, even if they released some of the coup mutineers. I know, I had family a member who was one of the prosecutors at some of these trials; in one instance the sitting judge let one of the mutineers go because even though he was part of the coup, the airman not only saved the judge himself from being killed by the other coup plotters, but several other officers.

Later, most of their top leaders became victims of the kangaroo court of Hasina and became martyred.

Along with millions of BD's who have been killed, and the killing is still continuing!

China will act decisively this time. On the recent Peking trip, they sent back Hasina home empty-handed.

That's exactly what China is going to do; they'll sit on their fat asses and twiddle their thumbs while US overthrows fake sheikh hagsina. Just like in 2006 when the US installed renter razakar, the Chinese just stood by!


@Bilal9 @LeonBlack08 @Saif

 

[Samad11]

I don't know if Ziaur Rahman was trying to please India,

That's just his BS! I have replied to him about this in another post...

I agree (sense) that yes CCP have told off Hasina with a 'come to Jesus' meeting. That may have been the reason why she hurried back.

She has always been sitting on ran dee an lap, not sure what would change so suddenly. But transit of their military hardware, goods/resupply and even troops disguised as civilians all the up to the Chinese border would be a big one.

The biggest thing is, the recently concluded joint military exercise with China, has almost no pictures/videos, no mention on any major news sites/TV, either in BD or China. As if the military exercises never even happened/were cancelled!

@LeonBlack08 @Saif

 

[Old School]

@Samad11, ভাইব্যা সুইন্যা এইহানে প‌োস দিবি। চিনসনা ক্কারে ক্কী ক্কস। সাাাবধাাান কঈরা ধিলাম।
[ Native Bangla, google can not translate it !!]