[🇮🇳] India Eyes Customized Two-Seat Variant of Russia’s Su-57 Stealth Fighter for Local Production: Russian Media

[Krishna with Flute]

Woah lot of strong claims.

I would be glad if you can provide some proof or links to support your claims.

OfCourse, It is my responsibility to substantiate my claim (Factual and not opinion). Read bellow.

In 2018, the then IAF chief Air Chief Marshal Birender Singh Dhanoa said that the Su-30 MKI radar detected and tracked the Chengdu J-20 jet while the latter was flying over Tibet. This news created quite a buzz and questioned its stealth characteristics.

How Much of a Threat is The Chinese J-20 to India? »

Despite many similar features to the other 5th-gen aircrafts, the J-20 actually has a new and holistic approach in their double-canard config

www.defencexp.com

While this incident happened, Su 30 was flying over Tawang. Now, google the distance yourself.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

In 2018, the then IAF chief Air Chief Marshal Birender Singh Dhanoa said that the Su-30 MKI radar detected and tracked the Chengdu J-20 jet while the latter was flying over Tibet. This news created quite a buzz and questioned its stealth characteristics. The F-22 has 0 registered kills in its name (not considering the 2023 unidentified balloon shoot-down) but it is still considered by almost all as the best-ever 5th-gen fighter jet such is its stealth technology, maneuverability, avionics and accuracy of weapon systems. That’s because despite no real-time combat kills, the Raptor has smoked off numerous ‘enemy aircrafts and weapon systems’ without even appearing on radar in various aerial multilateral drills participated by the US Air Force. But such is not the case for the J-20. China has always true its custom has kept its cards close to its chest and there’s no drill or performance records available to public. So as much as of a versatile and capable the J-20 might be for the China, as a single aircraft it doesn’t pose as grave of a threat as one might think of. The more concerning issue is that the PLAAF as a whole is head and shoulders ahead of IAF and their sheer advantage in all generations of aircraft dominate this parameter.

How Much of a Threat is The Chinese J-20 to India? »

Despite many similar features to the other 5th-gen aircrafts, the J-20 actually has a new and holistic approach in their double-canard config

www.defencexp.com

 

[Krishna with Flute]

I only have one question: When did China dismiss the J-20 designer?

By the way. AESA, Your goddess. My toys.

DJI agricultural drone. Equipped with AESA

India uses AESA on its small missiles. So forget about it. Chinese AESA is air cooled which clearly indicates lower energy consumed and lower detection range. Even Pakistan is not happy with Chinese supplied Electronics and wants to put some western stuff in it.

 

[Jiangnan]

Cant say for certain but I doubt the J 20 will be made available even to friendly nations by China.

Capabilities aside, its a prestige project, the queen of the stable (and maybe a hangar queen too, no idea lol)

They want to project it's mystique, the pinnacle of Chinese military fighter aviation. Packed with bleeding edge electronics and weaponry too sensitive to be trusted with anyone else.

As usual, and is is the case with almost anything that comes out of China, all this drama about J 20 is also a cheap COPY of the F 22.

Unki mentality hi aisi hai, sab kuch copy marne ka.

don't worry. In order to give you a clear understanding of China's aviation electronics technology. J-10C is flying 300km away from New Delhi. Pakistan will also receive the J-35A You can see China's secrets more clearly...

by my troth. Indians will have close contact with Chinese avionics technology in both the east and west directions.

Regarding the copy of F-22. We usually call it KF-21, KAAN, Or AMCA in 2725.

 

[Jiangnan]

India uses AESA on its small missiles. So forget about it. Chinese AESA is air cooled which clearly indicates lower energy consumed and lower detection range. Even Pakistan is not happy with Chinese supplied Electronics and wants to put some western stuff in it.

Oh no. Well, I mean. AESA， Your goddess. My toys. Usually. We like to use AESA in agricultural products.... BTW, Now, Can India manufacture qualified rifles? Why is India begging for Su-57? What about India's AMCA? Because Indians don't want Indian goods?

 

[Guru Dutt]

don't worry. In order to give you a clear understanding of China's aviation electronics technology. J-10C is flying 300km away from New Delhi. Pakistan will also receive the J-35A You can see China's secrets more clearly...

by my troth. Indians will have close contact with Chinese avionics technology in both the east and west directions.

Regarding the copy of F-22. We usually call it KF-21, KAAN, Or AMCA in 2725.

since when did Indo Pakistan border came 300 Km from delhi last i knew at nearest point 468km to wagah border

having said that there are more than 16 air bases of IAF from Bhuj in Gujrat till Leh in J&K all of which lie between 35 to 85 Km from India pakistan border and all of them have multiple and multi band 3D & 4D AESA based radars and multi layered SAM systems the kind of which pakistan can only dream about besides that half a dozen spy sats that keep a eagels eye over Sub continent 365X24X7 no matter day or night sand storms or very very coudy

and do youreally thik whn a bhikari nation like Pakistan can boast about 18 J10c it got from China on so called SOFT LOANS a nation like india which is fatsest growing and worlds fifth largest economy cannot afford so called 5th gen technology .... man i need that stuff you guys somke ... looks potent maal

 

[Jiangnan]

since when did Indo Pakistan border came 300 Km from delhi last i knew at nearest point 468km to wagah border

having said that there are more than 16 air bases of IAF from Bhuj in Gujrat till Leh in J&K all of which lie between 35 to 85 Km from India pakistan border and all of them have multiple and multi band 3D & 4D AESA based radars and multi layered SAM systems the kind of which pakistan can only dream about besides that half a dozen spy sats that keep a eagels eye over Sub continent 365X24X7 no matter day or night sand storms or very very coudy

and do youreally thik whn a bhikari nation like Pakistan can boast about 18 J10c it got from China on so called SOFT LOANS a nation like india which is fatsest growing and worlds fifth largest economy cannot afford so called 5th gen technology .... man i need that stuff you guys somke ... looks potent maal

don't really care. India, a backward agricultural country.

 

[Jiangnan]

OfCourse, It is my responsibility to substantiate my claim (Factual and not opinion). Read bellow.

In 2018, the then IAF chief Air Chief Marshal Birender Singh Dhanoa said that the Su-30 MKI radar detected and tracked the Chengdu J-20 jet while the latter was flying over Tibet. This news created quite a buzz and questioned its stealth characteristics.

How Much of a Threat is The Chinese J-20 to India? »

Despite many similar features to the other 5th-gen aircrafts, the J-20 actually has a new and holistic approach in their double-canard config

www.defencexp.com

While this incident happened, Su 30 was flying over Tawang. Now, google the distance yourself.

Um... But who proved to me that China deployed J-20 on the China India border in 2018? And the Su-30 radar? What jokes are Indians making?

Reminder again. This is an international forum. Not an Indian forum. Don't let Indian jokes spread here. Indian Su-30? What kind of garbage is that! It crashes every day.

Sukhoi Fighter Jet Crashes In Nashik, Pilot, Co-Pilot Eject Safely

A Sukhoi-30MKI fighter jet crashed in a field in Maharashtra's Nashik today. The pilot and the co-pilot managed to eject safely but have suffered injuries.

www.ndtv.com

 

[Jiangnan]

OfCourse, It is my responsibility to substantiate my claim (Factual and not opinion). Read bellow.

In 2018, the then IAF chief Air Chief Marshal Birender Singh Dhanoa said that the Su-30 MKI radar detected and tracked the Chengdu J-20 jet while the latter was flying over Tibet. This news created quite a buzz and questioned its stealth characteristics.

How Much of a Threat is The Chinese J-20 to India? »

Despite many similar features to the other 5th-gen aircrafts, the J-20 actually has a new and holistic approach in their double-canard config

www.defencexp.com

While this incident happened, Su 30 was flying over Tawang. Now, google the distance yourself.

J-20 has engaged in multiple battles with F-35. The US Air Force Commander did not say that they detected the J-20 from radar

F-35s have encountered J-20s over East China Sea: USAF general

A top US Air Force (USAF) general says that Lockheed Martin F-35s have had at least one encounter with Chengdu J-20s, and that the Shaanxi KJ-500 airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) aircraft has a key role in long-range air-to-air kill chains.

www.flightglobal.com

But the Indians said. They detected the J-20 with SU-30 radar...

@Bilal9 bro, Do you believe in Americans or Indians? Do you believe in Su-30 or F-35?

 

[Bilal9]

Cant say for certain but I doubt the J 20 will be made available even to friendly nations by China.

Capabilities aside, its a prestige project, the queen of the stable (and maybe a hangar queen too, no idea lol)

They want to project it's mystique, the pinnacle of Chinese military fighter aviation. Packed with bleeding edge electronics and weaponry too sensitive to be trusted with anyone else.

As usual, and is is the case with almost anything that comes out of China, all this drama about J 20 is also a cheap COPY of the F 22.

Unki mentality hi aisi hai, sab kuch copy marne ka.

One can diss a product saying its a copy, but at least they made an attempt. Very few countries can claim creation of a fifth generation fighter. China has at least two on tap.

Not whitewashing their moral standing, but to Chinese (and even Japanese) folks, copying something is not morally wrong. It is flattery. Japanese did copy stuff forty or fifty years ago, ditto with Koreans and of course Taiwanese. Gen Z people do not know this.

If the Chinese J-20 has a canard and is unique - then is it a copy?

Chinese will have their own jet engines to power these soon (WS-15 and WS-20), what other non-western country except Japan can claim that honor?

Bad mouthing Chinese achievements has become a disease nowadays. I think there are lessons we can learn from them instead of offering them pointless jealousy.

 

[Bilal9]

[IMG alt="Bilal9"]https://pkdefense.com/data/avatars/s/0/6.jpg?1726690204[/IMG] @Bilal9 bro, Do you believe in Americans or Indians? Do you believe in Su-30 or F-35?

Well that link you posted - seems rather legit in any case...

 

[Jiangnan]

Well that link you posted - seems rather legit in any case...

How's AMCA doing now? Is its airframe already complete? What do you think of Indian carbon fiber technology？

Why does India suddenly want to buy SU-57?

 

[Krishna with Flute]

Woah lot of strong claims.

I would be glad if you can provide some proof or links to support your claims.

This topic was discussed in depth on old PDF. This is very old news. I will try to get those links and post here. Meanwhile, I have provided all other references you and Saif had asked for. I hope you have gone through them.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

J-20 has engaged in multiple battles with F-35. The US Air Force Commander did not say that they detected the J-20 from radar

F-35s have encountered J-20s over East China Sea: USAF general

A top US Air Force (USAF) general says that Lockheed Martin F-35s have had at least one encounter with Chengdu J-20s, and that the Shaanxi KJ-500 airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) aircraft has a key role in long-range air-to-air kill chains.

www.flightglobal.com

But the Indians said. They detected the J-20 with SU-30 radar...

@Bilal9 bro, Do you believe in Americans or Indians? Do you believe in Su-30 or F-35?

Fine. You want to believe Americans? Ok. If I quote what Americans have said about J 20 and Su 57 than you promise you will believe that without any arguments and Ifs and Buts. Do agree to that and I will start posting about what Americans have said about J 20. Let us begin.

V @Vsdoc , @Sharma Ji , @Bilal9

 

[Krishna with Flute]

Um... But who proved to me that China deployed J-20 on the China India border in 2018? And the Su-30 radar? What jokes are Indians making?

Reminder again. This is an international forum. Not an Indian forum. Don't let Indian jokes spread here. Indian Su-30? What kind of garbage is that! It crashes every day.

Sukhoi Fighter Jet Crashes In Nashik, Pilot, Co-Pilot Eject Safely

A Sukhoi-30MKI fighter jet crashed in a field in Maharashtra's Nashik today. The pilot and the co-pilot managed to eject safely but have suffered injuries.

www.ndtv.com

I think you are a poor reader. Read it again. Su 30 Detected it over the sky of Tibet. i.e far away from Indian border. Afterall, J 20 is Chinese fifth generation plane and Chinese quality is invariably attached to that. It is like China copied BMW but it scored in crash rating. Chinese quality is synonym to flimsy stuff.