🗺️ Is India Undermining Canadian Sovereignty?

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Date Occurred: Oct 31, 2024

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Expulsions of Indian diplomats from Canada renewed concern about incursions from foreign governments into Canada. The Agenda gathers a panel to discuss this break in Indo-Canadian relations.

 

[Dogun18]

 

[ThunderCat]

It's both ways. By hosting Sikh separatists, Canada is clearly asking for trouble. I mean the West invaded Afghanistan by the under pretexts that Osama Bin Laden committed the 9/11 attacks since the Taliban refused to hand him over.

So they cannot complain. Because as far as the Bharati government sees it, these Sikh separatists undermine Bharati sovereignty.

 

[Vsdoc]

It's both ways. By hosting Sikh separatists, Canada is clearly asking for trouble. I mean the West invaded Afghanistan by the under pretexts that Osama Bin Laden committed the 9/11 attacks since the Taliban refused to hand him over.

So they cannot complain. Because as far as the Bharati government sees it, these Sikh separatists undermine Bharati sovereignty.

Thank you.

Its actually not even comparable.

What India did, if indeed it did do it, was kill criminals on foreign soil.

Canada on the other hand is actively fomenting a secessionist movement of another sovereign nation on its sovereign land.

That's the equivalent of giving safe haven and a political voice and indeed state support and office to Quebec separatists in India by India.

Cheers, Doc

 

[ThunderCat]

Thank you.

Its actually not even comparable.

What India did, if indeed it did do it, was kill criminals on foreign soil.

Canada on the other hand is actively fomenting a secessionist movement of another sovereign nation on its sovereign land.

That's the equivalent of giving safe haven and a political voice and indeed state support and office to Quebec separatists in India by India.

Cheers, Doc

They see them as terrorists/criminals. Just as NATO countries saw Osama & the Taliban as criminals. In the end, one's terrorist is not another's terrorist. It's all subjective.

 

[Dogun18]

They see them as terrorists/criminals. Just as NATO countries saw Osama & the Taliban as criminals. In the end, one's terrorist is not another's terrorist. It's all subjective.

India provided no evidence

 

[Bilal9]

It's both ways. By hosting Sikh separatists, Canada is clearly asking for trouble.....

So they cannot complain. Because as far as the Bharati government sees it, these Sikh separatists undermine Bharati sovereignty.

Asking for trouble is one thing - but would it give India the right to carry out targeted assassinations of Canadian citizens on Canadian soil?

I think Indian MEA and RAW are getting a bit bigger than their britches.

What if Canada did the same in India (if they really cared?). India couldn't do much of anything really, cards are stacked against them.

Turning over secessionists depends on power of the country involved and how friendly the relationship is.

Indians should think about this in an impartial, sober manner and not on jingoist terms. India cannot risk the downgrade of relationships with the entire "West", they all act and sound in unison, like bands of foxes and coyotes. As soon as proclamations from Trudeau were issued about found 'evidence', the US state dept. and half a dozen NATO countries all issued supportive official statements.

At stake are futures of millions of Indian foreign students and recent immigrants in Canada (deportation) and trade sanctions/embargoes if things really take a bad turn. All Indian arms programs will be affected. C-17s and Apaches will be sitting idle - among other things.

Bangladesh (Hasina) handed over Indian ULFA secessionist Anup Chetia at India's request, thereby helping India massively in the stability of the NE area. It was an "offer Hasina could not refuse" - given where the 'offer' came from.

Canada will not do this - they do not care about India's request (whether legit or not), they have their own legal precedents and principles. That is legally the crux of the matter.

India is not in the first world league, plain and simple. It depends on remittances from the West (and the Gulf, also stooges of the West) to run its economy. If instructed by the West - Gulfies will not waste a New York Minute before deporting hundreds of thousands of Indian workers - backfills from other countries will be very easy to find.

The sooner Indian politicians realize this and learn to control their bluster, the better (and smoother) their future will be.

 

[Sharma Ji]

They see them as terrorists/criminals. Just as NATO countries saw Osama & the Taliban as criminals. In the end, one's terrorist is not another's terrorist. It's all subjective.

Khalis took out a sitting PM of India, bombed a passenger plane and started an insurgency.

They've been celebrating these acts of terror, and threatening more... all while sitting in Canuckistan

They are legit targets.

I am super chuffed about it all, majaa aa gaya !

 

[Bilal9]

Khalis took out a sitting PM of India, bombed a passenger plane and started an insurgency.

They've been celebrating these acts of terror, and threatening more... all while sitting in Canuckistan

They are legit targets.

I am super chuffed about it all, majaa aa gaya !

Being super chuffed is great - until its no longer a game.

This is statecraft -where Billions of dollars are at stake and the well being of economies.

The hurt to India and Indians may be legit, but who said the world is fair?

It's clear that you are in "adda and hookah mood" and probably haven't thought deeply about the issues involved.

 

[Bilal9]

What India did, if indeed it did do it, was kill criminals on foreign soil.

Criminals to India - but to Canadians they did not break any Canadian law (secessionist movements are legal and legit).

One cannot take Indian law and apply it in Canadian soil.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Being super chuffed is great - until its no longer a game.

This is statecraft -where Billions of dollars are at stake and the well being of economies.

The hurt to India and Indians may be legit, but who said the world is fair?

It's clear that you are in "adda and hookah mood" and probably haven't thought deeply about the issues involved.

Bilal Ji, I'll repeat this just for emphasis' sake

they murdered a sitting/serving PM of India

they started a violent militant insurgency

they blew up an international flight, a 747 carrying:

• 268 Canadians
• 27 Britons
• 22 Indians
• 12 people of undetermined nationality
• Between 82 and 86 children, including six infants
• 29 families
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[Sharma Ji]

and they're celebrating those events and threatening more, all well sat behind Trudo's sissy gaand..

ANY people/country on earth (with the means to do so) would have done exactly the same as India have done.

its not about jingoism, but certain actions MUST have concequences.. I am happy the current lot has been proactive on this front.

 

[Dogun18]

@ThunderCat Would you be fine with Canadians assassinating Amit Shah in India?

 

[Sharma Ji]

@ThunderCat Would you be fine with Canadians assassinating Amit Shah in India?

Pretty sure he and his boss are already on a LOT of peoples' hit-lists.

 

[Vsdoc]

Being super chuffed is great - until its no longer a game.

This is statecraft -where Billions of dollars are at stake and the well being of economies.

The hurt to India and Indians may be legit, but who said the world is fair?

It's clear that you are in "adda and hookah mood" and probably haven't thought deeply about the issues involved.

He is 24/7/365 in that mode.

 

[Dogun18]

 

[Vsdoc]

Criminals to India - but to Canadians they did not break any Canadian law (secessionist movements are legal and legit).

One cannot take Indian law and apply it in Canadian soil.

Why do you expect India to care about Canadian law when Canada obviously cares little (over decades) about Indian law?

Its called quid quo pro.

And the burden of proof still lies with the Canadians.

Proof they are yet to show. If at all they have any.

The rest of the western brow beating matters little to us Bilal.

There is a threshold size and heft we have achieved now. We will not be messed with and our grievances will be given due import.

Or matters will be dealt with. And they can keep shrieking.

See if we care. Or have a course correction.

 

[Sharma Ji]

ye banda sahi hai

based homo !

 

[ThunderCat]

Asking for trouble is one thing - but would it give India the right to carry out targeted assassinations of Canadian citizens on Canadian soil?

I think Indian MEA and RAW are getting a bit bigger than their britches.

What if Canada did the same in India (if they really cared?). India couldn't do much of anything really, cards are stacked against them.

Turning over secessionists depends on power of the country involved and how friendly the relationship is.

Indians should think about this in an impartial, sober manner and not on jingoist terms. India cannot risk the downgrade of relationships with the entire "West", they all act and sound in unison, like bands of foxes and coyotes. As soon as proclamations from Trudeau were issued about found 'evidence', the US state dept. and half a dozen NATO countries all issued supportive official statements.

At stake are futures of millions of Indian foreign students and recent immigrants in Canada (deportation) and trade sanctions/embargoes if things really take a bad turn. All Indian arms programs will be affected. C-17s and Apaches will be sitting idle - among other things.

Bangladesh (Hasina) handed over Indian ULFA secessionist Anup Chetia at India's request, thereby helping India massively in the stability of the NE area. It was an "offer Hasina could not refuse" - given where the 'offer' came from.

Canada will not do this - they do not care about India's request (whether legit or not), they have their own legal precedents and principles. That is legally the crux of the matter.

India is not in the first world league, plain and simple. It depends on remittances from the West (and the Gulf, also stooges of the West) to run its economy. If instructed by the West - Gulfies will not waste a New York Minute before deporting hundreds of thousands of Indian workers - backfills from other countries will be very easy to find.

The sooner Indian politicians realize this and learn to control their bluster, the better (and smoother) their future will be.

The fact that one country hosts secessionists of another country is asking for trouble. Canada is indirectly interfering with Bharat's sovereignty.

If those Sikhs came as refugees and agreed to cease their political activities, that's different. But by hosting people who call for the breakup of another country is asking for trouble.

I'm not arguing wheather Sikhs are right or wrong to ask for an independent Khalistan. What i'm arguing this is an issue for them to resolve.

Canada banned Hamas as a terrorist organization and so is Hezbollah deemed as such. So now why the double standard?

Suppose Bharat gave sanctuary to a wanted fugitive in Canada on terrorism charges, do you think Canada would see this as threatening their sovereignty?

 

[ThunderCat]

@ThunderCat Would you be fine with Canadians assassinating Amit Shah in India?

All I am stating is this: Suppose BLA members were given sanctuary in another country. The ISI eventually seeks to eliminate them on that country's soil because they threaten Pakistani sovereignty.

The Pakistani military's argument will be is that since the country refuses to hand them over, they undermine Pakistani sovereignty by hosting them.

 

[Bilal9]

Why do you expect India to care about Canadian law when Canada obviously cares little (over decades) about Indian law?

Its called quid quo pro.

And the burden of proof still lies with the Canadians.

Proof they are yet to show. If at all they have any.

The rest of the western brow beating matters little to us Bilal.

There is a threshold size and heft we have achieved now. We will not be messed with and our grievances will be given due import.

Or matters will be dealt with. And they can keep shrieking.

See if we care. Or have a course correction.

Caring about another country's law and assassinating people on their soil are two distinctly separate things at two different levels.

I see Indian attitudes hardened against Canada (because of the perceptions you mentioned) and the expectation is that Canadians will capitulate (along with the rest of the West).

No one is saying Khalistanis were right in doing the things they did in India, but sending Indian RAW and assassins to Canada is a game changer now.

So I will repeat the reasons why I think that Canadians will sit on their tush is unrealistic - in spite of your perceptions.

Canada, US and the rest of the NATO countries speak with one voice - always. Threatening Canada's sovereignty is the same as threatening that of the US and most NATO members.

Right now - the US might be okay to look the other way on India's assassination attempts, but push comes to shove, they will stand behind Canada. They can do things in geopolitical context too, like maybe what happened in Bangladesh.

• About ~75% or more of the armaments produced in India as JV's have Western or Israeli imported components, like radars on India's destroyers and most components on the Tejas fighter, just a few examples.
• Majority of India's remittances come from the West and its stooges. They can make life for India's economy quite difficult, in spite of the threshold and heft you mention. Remittance to India was a major part of Indian economy, which was $125 Billion last year.
• Most of Indian labor class remits money from the Gulf (UAE mostly), who are also Western stooges. See chart below.
• India is heavily dependent on the West for the Backoffice business, not the other way round. This can go South with no guarantees at the stroke of a pen. Of course TCS, Wipro and others won't let it happen and will stop it far before anything untoward happens.

So if the remittances were to stop, Indian workers deported and sent home, Backoffice business re-routed to other countries, how will the Indian economy fare? Just so Indian administration can now throw their weight around and re-jig Western countries thinking, so they can deal with the more powerful India? These are important issues to think about.

I know it warms the cockles of every Indian's heart to think that their country is powerful in some way or the other, and they can teach Canadians a lesson. Perception is everything, as they say.

But reality (and the long terms fallout of this fiasco) may be very different.

 

[Vsdoc]

Caring about another country's law and assassinating people on their soil are two distinctly separate things at two different levels.

I see Indian attitudes hardened against Canada (because of the perceptions you mentioned) and the expectation is that Canadians will capitulate (along with the rest of the West).

No one is saying Khalistanis were right in doing the things they did in India, but sending Indian RAW and assassins to Canada is a game changer now.

So I will repeat the reasons why I think that Canadians will sit on their tush is unrealistic - in spite of your perceptions.

Canada, US and the rest of the NATO countries speak with one voice - always. Threatening Canada's sovereignty is the same as threatening that of the US and most NATO members.

Right now - the US might be okay to look the other way on India's assassination attempts, but push comes to shove, they will stand behind Canada. They can do things in geopolitical context too, like maybe what happened in Bangladesh.

• About ~75% or more of the armaments produced in India as JV's have Western or Israeli imported components, like radars on India's destroyers and most components on the Tejas fighter, just a few examples.
• Majority of India's remittances come from the West and its stooges. They can make life for India's economy quite difficult, in spite of the threshold and heft you mention. Remittance to India was a major part of Indian economy, which was $125 Billion last year.
• Most of Indian labor class remits money from the Gulf (UAE mostly), who are also Western stooges. See chart below.
• India is heavily dependent on the West for the Backoffice business, not the other way round. This can go South with no guarantees at the stroke of a pen. Of course TCS, Wipro and others won't let it happen and will stop it far before anything untoward happens.

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I know it warms the cockles of every Indian's heart to think that their country is powerful in some way or the other, and they can teach Canadians a lesson. Perception is everything, as they say.

But reality (and the long terms fallout of this fiasco) may be very different.

This (hardening of Indian sentiment against Canada) has not happened overnight.

Nor is a a jingoistic muscular knee jerk against the buffoon currently leading Canada.

Kanishka was unpardonable.

Which is why Indians across the political spectrum, including and especially those who do not like the BJP and its cohorts, are all rallying around the flag here together.

The West has only once chance and one candidate of similar size and heft to counter China with.

Were that nation to be pushed into the Sino Russian axis permanently, it would effectively signal the end of western global preeminence (forget hegemony).

With the threshold heft come options and leverage.

And that threshold heft is built on a strong foundation of organic self reliance.

Sanctions are not new to India.

My generation has seen western sanctions since the 70s.

If little Iran can do it, you think India cannot?

 

[Dogun18]

 

[Krishna with Flute]

The problem with Canada is that Canada wants to cover all the crimes of these Khalistani Speariest under the cover of Freedom of speech. They can threaten Indian diplomats, reveal their identity, they can issue warning of bombing the plane, they can openly threaten to break India under the cover of freedom of speech. Canada will protect them under the cover of freedom of speech. If you do that, you are a terrorist country and India has all the rights to target all those who roams freely in Canada violating all international norms and conventions made in this regards.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

All I am stating is this: Suppose BLA members were given sanctuary in another country. The ISI eventually seeks to eliminate them on that country's soil because they threaten Pakistani sovereignty.

The Pakistani military's argument will be is that since the country refuses to hand them over, they undermine Pakistani sovereignty by hosting them.

There are two types of separatists. One who fights ideological battle. Another type is those who are involved in violent act. They conspire, promote and threaten the involve acts. Second kind is dangerous, and they need to be dealt in the manner in which they choose as the act of protest. With first type, you can engage in dialogue.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

Hindu Temple attacked in Canada. Is it a Demonstration of Freedom to destroy temple in Canada?

Justin Trudeau condemns violence at Hindu temple near Toronto​

Local police in the city of Brampton, roughly 50 km (30 miles) northwest of Toronto, said they had deployed heavily outside the Hindu Sabha Mandir in order to maintain calm during a protest​

Updated - November 04, 2024 11:50 am IST - Toronto, Canada
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Violence at Hindu Sabha Mandir in Brampton. Screengrab: Chandra Arya via @AryaCanada/X
Canada's Prime Minister Justin Trudeau condemned as "unacceptable" violence at a Hindu temple near Toronto on Sunday (November 3, 2024), following skirmishes blamed by some leaders on Sikh activists.


Local police in the city of Brampton, roughly 50 km (30 miles) northwest of Toronto, said they had deployed heavily outside the Hindu Sabha Mandir in order to maintain calm during a protest.


A spokesman for the Peel Regional Police told AFP that no arrests had been made. Police have also declined to assign blame for the reported violence.






Did not want to blow up India ties: Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau

"The acts of violence at the Hindu Sabha Mandir in Brampton today are unacceptable. Every Canadian has the right to practice their faith freely and safely," Mr. Trudeau wrote on X.


A federal lawmaker and member of Trudeau's Liberal Party, Chandra Arya, blamed the incident on "Khalistanis," a reference to supporters of the fringe separatist movement for an independent Sikh homeland in India's Punjab state.

Relations between Canada and India have nosedived after Ottawa accused the Indian Government of orchestrating the 2023 killing in Vancouver of 45-year-old naturalized Canadian citizen Hardeep Singh Nijjar, a prominent Khalistan activist.


Beyond Nijjar's killing, Canada has accused India of directing a broad campaign targeting Sikh activists on Canadian soil, which Ottawa says has included intimidation, threats and violence.

"A red line has been crossed by Canadian Khalistani extremists today," Mr. Arya, who is Hindu, posted on X.

PM Trudeau ruined relations between India, Canada for votes: Former Punjab CM Amarinder Singh

"The attack by Khalistanis on the Hindu-Canadian devotees inside the premises of the Hindu Sabha temple in Brampton shows how deep and brazen has Khalistani violent extremism has become in Canada," he said.


Video circulating on social media appears to show individuals carrying yellow Khalistan flags clashing with a rival group, including people holding Indian flags. There were also isolated fist fights, videos show.


Mr. Trudeau charged the Government of Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi with violating Canadian sovereignty.

India has rejected the allegations.

Delhi and Ottawa earlier this month each expelled the other's ambassador and other senior diplomats.


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Trudeau condemns violence at Hindu temple in Canada

Trudeau condemns violence at Hindu temple near Toronto, blames Sikh activists, sparking tensions between Canada and India.

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[Sharma Ji]

import the 3rd world, import their problems

xutia liberal canuckistan paying the price now

 

[Krishna with Flute]

import the 3rd world, import their problems

xutia liberal canuckistan paying the price now

Partly true. Many Indian migrants are there in many countries and they run their Medial sector, IT Sector and Education sector. If you allow criminals on the name of Asylum, you will pay the price. Anyway, Canada is a gone case. One can determine his/her gender by declaration. Too much BS on the name of individual freedom. Drugs is rampant. Idiot like Trudeau is on helm and asylum to Khalistanis make it a gone case totally.

 

[Mainerik]

Anyway, Canada is a gone case.

The only gone case is India. Canada is far superior to what India can ever muster up.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

The only gone case is India. Canada is far superior to what India can ever muster up.

That is fine but take Israel seriously. It will be a problem otherwise.

 

[Dogun18]

That is fine but take Israel seriously. It will be a problem otherwise.

He has a point. Canada only went public after consulting with the five eyes. At the same time, the US released a name of an Indian agent operating in the west.

India is getting isolated here and appears to be far more of a lost case.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

He has a point. Canada only went public after consulting with the five eyes. At the same time, the US released a name of an Indian agent operating in the west.

India is getting isolated here and appears to be far more of a lost case.

India has passed the stage where this Isolation sort of things may apply. No country has the guts to Isolate India. Germany, US, UK etc. have fallen in line after some gimmick.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

The west does not understand that they do not enjoy the same privilege and status they used to enjoy before 2 decade ago. They still trying to talk in same language what they used to talk before 2 decade and that causes problem. As a result, they have to face humiliation.

 

[Vsdoc]

Canada in a weird way is serving an important role.

It is largely unimportant to India and hence India in turn is using it to send the larger West an important unmistakable message.

And the shrieks are due to the fact that the message has gotten across.

 

[Mainerik]

It's both ways. By hosting Sikh separatists, Canada is clearly asking for trouble. I mean the West invaded Afghanistan by the under pretexts that Osama Bin Laden committed the 9/11 attacks since the Taliban refused to hand him over.

So they cannot complain. Because as far as the Bharati government sees it, these Sikh separatists undermine Bharati sovereignty.

You do not understand. India just claims, it does not provide proof. You cannot simply claim someone to be a terrorist and get them extradited. India suppresses its minorities at home but it cannot do it abroad. India is much like Israel in this case.

 

[Dogun18]

It's both ways. By hosting Sikh separatists, Canada is clearly asking for trouble. I mean the West invaded Afghanistan by the under pretexts that Osama Bin Laden committed the 9/11 attacks since the Taliban refused to hand him over.

So they cannot complain. Because as far as the Bharati government sees it, these Sikh separatists undermine Bharati sovereignty.

That's the problem. Sikhs abroad are no threat to Indian society. Everything India does hits them in the back. Everything Indians do that made others hate them is their own social construct, it's a social revolution that they built against themselves because of their own attitudes. Afghans and Iranians use to love Indians. Indians online made them hate them due to their anti-Gaza and anti-Muslim cause, you should be able to see this, Thunder! Moroccans watched Indian Bollywood daily, now they are boycotting it, because of what? Because of Indian attitude. The Gulf locals are now considering not hiring their Indians due to their anti Islamic hatred.

You must think big, Thunder. You are stuck in this secular box. Khalistan was of no threat to India but India went ahead and killed a few dissidents abroad. This only caused more backlack from the five eyes, countries who use to have good relations with India!

India will fall due to Modi's regime the same way Israel will fall due to the Zionist mindset.

 

[Sharma Ji]

ISI funded Sikh Khali "separatists" are a threat

it matters little who happens to be running india

apni fikr karo @Dogun18

 

[Sharma Ji]

your ISI took out that poor Arshad guy, tucchi harkat, low level gangster waali

we here smoking cigars and doing it right

 

[Vsdoc]

That's the problem. Sikhs abroad are no threat to Indian society. Everything India does hits them in the back. Everything Indians do that made others hate them is their own social construct, it's a social revolution that they built against themselves because of their own attitudes. Afghans and Iranians use to love Indians. Indians online made them hate them due to their anti-Gaza and anti-Muslim cause, you should be able to see this, Thunder! Moroccans watched Indian Bollywood daily, now they are boycotting it, because of what? Because of Indian attitude. The Gulf locals are now considering not hiring their Indians due to their anti Islamic hatred.

You must think big, Thunder. You are stuck in this secular box. Khalistan was of no threat to India but India went ahead and killed a few dissidents abroad. This only caused more backlack from the five eyes, countries who use to have good relations with India!

India will fall due to Modi's regime the same way Israel will fall due to the Zionist mindset.

Don't know about Afghans (your claim) but I do not think Iranians ever had too much love lost for Indians beyond the perfunctory cultural and civilisational sound bites.

And trust me, they look at Pakistanis as Indian Hindu converts.

So ... ya, apni dekho.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

That's the problem. Sikhs abroad are no threat to Indian society. Everything India does hits them in the back. Everything Indians do that made others hate them is their own social construct, it's a social revolution that they built against themselves because of their own attitudes. Afghans and Iranians use to love Indians. Indians online made them hate them due to their anti-Gaza and anti-Muslim cause, you should be able to see this, Thunder! Moroccans watched Indian Bollywood daily, now they are boycotting it, because of what? Because of Indian attitude. The Gulf locals are now considering not hiring their Indians due to their anti Islamic hatred.

You must think big, Thunder. You are stuck in this secular box. Khalistan was of no threat to India but India went ahead and killed a few dissidents abroad. This only caused more backlack from the five eyes, countries who use to have good relations with India!

India will fall due to Modi's regime the same way Israel will fall due to the Zionist mindset.

So far as Afghan is concerned, they still loves Indians and more than ever before. So far as Iran is concern, the bluffing what Iranian radical regime has done is unacceptable. They hang Sunni Clerics on crain, they kill their girl for not wearing Burkha or Hizab and lectures India on Muslim rights which they themselves have never respected. In Retaliation of that, Indians might have posted something about Iran. I believe that we need to make a distinction so as to ensure that while criticizing any government of country, we should ensure that we do not criticize that country as a whole.
In earlier post on issue of Israel vs Iran, I had written that Israel should ensure that Irani people does not get harmed in attack as Iranian people are not as anti-Israel as Iranian totalitarian government. So far as myself is concern, I am opposed to this Mullah government in Iran while I love Iranian people.

 

[Sharma Ji]

I am opposed to this Mullah government in Iran while I love Iranian people.

Even the phull sapporting mullah regime Iranians ?

 

[Bilal9]

Well the other shoe now fell. Australia is broaching India undermining Canadian sovereignty now. Just like I predicted a week ago. All these countries speak in one voice. Canada is not alone in the West.

Australian foreign minister raises allegations of India targeting Sikhs in Canada​

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India’s External Affairs Minister S. Jaishankar, left, and Australia’s Foreign Minister Penny Wong meet at Parliament House in Canberra, Australia, Tuesday, Nov. 5, 2024. (Mick Tsikas/AAP Image via AP)

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Activists of United Hindu Front, a right wing group reacting to Canada’s allegation that Indian Home Minister Amit Shah ordered the targeting of Sikh activists inside Canada, hold placards during a protest in New Delhi, India, Tuesday, Nov. 5, 2024. (AP Photo/Manish Swarup)

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Activists of United Hindu Front, a right wing group reacting to Canada’s allegation that Indian Home Minister Amit Shah ordered the targeting of Sikh activists inside Canada, hold placards during a protest in New Delhi, India, Tuesday, Nov. 5, 2024. (AP Photo/Manish Swarup)

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Activists of United Hindu Front, a right wing group reacting to Canada’s allegation that Indian Home Minister Amit Shah ordered the targeting of Sikh activists inside Canada, hold placards during a protest in New Delhi, India, Tuesday, Nov. 5, 2024. (AP Photo/Manish Swarup)

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Activists of United Hindu Front, a right wing group reacting to Canada’s allegation that Indian Home Minister Amit Shah ordered the targeting of Sikh activists inside Canada, hold placards during a protest in New Delhi, India, Tuesday, Nov. 5, 2024. (AP Photo/Manish Swarup)





By ROD MCGUIRK
Updated 6:38 AM PST, November 5, 2024

MELBOURNE, Australia (AP) — Australia’s foreign minister said Tuesday she raised allegations with her Indian counterpart that India has targeted Sikh activists in Canada.

Foreign Minister Penny Wong said she discussed the Canadian allegations with Indian Foreign Minister S. Jaishankar while he was in the Australian capital, Canberra.

India has denied Canada’s allegation that Indian Home Minister Amit Shah ordered the targeting of Sikh activists inside Canada.

The Royal Canadian Mounted Police went public last with allegations that Indian diplomats were targeting Sikh separatists in Canada by sharing information about them with their government back home. They said top Indian officials were then passing that information along to Indian organized crime groups who were targeting the activists, who are Canadian citizens, with drive-by shootings, extortions and even murder.

Canada is not the only country that has accused Indian officials of plotting an assassination on foreign soil. The United States Justice Department announced criminal charges in mid-October against an Indian government employee in connection with an alleged foiled plot to kill a Sikh separatist leader living in New York City.

 

[Bilal9]

That's the problem. Sikhs abroad are no threat to Indian society. Everything India does hits them in the back. Everything Indians do that made others hate them is their own social construct, it's a social revolution that they built against themselves because of their own attitudes. Afghans and Iranians use to love Indians. Indians online made them hate them due to their anti-Gaza and anti-Muslim cause, you should be able to see this, Thunder! Moroccans watched Indian Bollywood daily, now they are boycotting it, because of what? Because of Indian attitude. The Gulf locals are now considering not hiring their Indians due to their anti Islamic hatred.

You must think big, Thunder. You are stuck in this secular box. Khalistan was of no threat to India but India went ahead and killed a few dissidents abroad. This only caused more backlack from the five eyes, countries who use to have good relations with India!

India will fall due to Modi's regime the same way Israel will fall due to the Zionist mindset.

Everyone likes puffery if targeted properly, especially followers of Modi.

From an Indian viewpoint, targeting 'other nations' whether they be non-Hindu majority (even Hindu majority like Nepal), pointing fingers at them and blaming them for all manner of victimhood and social ills of your own making, threatening your own citizens (followers of 'other religions' especially Islam) for no distinct reasons, can win massive number of votes from Hindus and rally people (even non-Hindus) around your party and your orange flag, no matter how fascist the concepts you profess and propagate.

To see some Indian Hindus fall for this age-old Modi and Sangh trick is truly disheartening. Once you open the floodgate of Hindutva-based hate legitimization, there is no stopping you, if you are in India. It is ironic of Hindus complaining about temple desecration when this kind of thing happens in their own country, like cops kicking people in prayer offering Namaaz.

I bet Modi's tussle with Trudeau was carefully planned, because it sure boosted Modi's support at home and bolstered his position politically. The more Khalistanis desecrate Hindu temples in Canada, the more the Sangh gets bolstered in India in the name of "Hindus under attack".

 

[ThunderCat]

That's the problem. Sikhs abroad are no threat to Indian society. Everything India does hits them in the back. Everything Indians do that made others hate them is their own social construct, it's a social revolution that they built against themselves because of their own attitudes. Afghans and Iranians use to love Indians. Indians online made them hate them due to their anti-Gaza and anti-Muslim cause, you should be able to see this, Thunder! Moroccans watched Indian Bollywood daily, now they are boycotting it, because of what? Because of Indian attitude. The Gulf locals are now considering not hiring their Indians due to their anti Islamic hatred.

You must think big, Thunder. You are stuck in this secular box. Khalistan was of no threat to India but India went ahead and killed a few dissidents abroad. This only caused more backlack from the five eyes, countries who use to have good relations with India!

India will fall due to Modi's regime the same way Israel will fall due to the Zionist mindset.

I am neutral on Khalistan issue. Pakistan is also suspected of killing Baloch separatists in Sweden. This is why i'm neutral on Kahlistan, I want Bharat to stay out of our affairs.

Baloch separatism is between Pakistani state & Baloch rebels. No Bharatis, no Afghans.

 

[ThunderCat]

Partly true. Many Indian migrants are there in many countries and they run their Medial sector, IT Sector and Education sector. If you allow criminals on the name of Asylum, you will pay the price. Anyway, Canada is a gone case. One can determine his/her gender by declaration. Too much BS on the name of individual freedom. Drugs is rampant. Idiot like Trudeau is on helm and asylum to Khalistanis make it a gone case totally.

There are far more Bharati scammers/criminals than there are those in the fields you write of.

 

[ThunderCat]

This is similar to what Brahmanistic mobs did to Sikh civilians in Amritsar, only worse.

 

[Vsdoc]

There are far more Bharati scammers/criminals than there are those in the fields you write of.

Do you have hard numbers from a credible source to back up this ludicrous claim of yours?

 

[ThunderCat]

Do you have hard numbers from a credible source to back up this ludicrous claim of yours?

Do you have a credible source that the majority of Bharatis are IT folks, doctors, engineers? I'll bet a huge fraction of them come on fake degrees. Also see how many Bharatis are being charged for scams and being deported. I believe in numbers alright. + common sense.

 

[Vsdoc]

Do you have a credible source that the majority of Bharatis are IT folks, doctors, engineers? I'll bet a huge fraction of them come on fake degrees. Also see how many Bharatis are being charged for scams and being deported. I believe in numbers alright. + common sense.

You are a mod and passing ludicrous statements. That is what I believe.

You look at what you want to see.

Its like me saying the majority of Pakistanis in the west are beggars, terrorists and rapists.

Its easy right? Tons of reports of Pakistanis begging abroad all over the world, raping young underage girls, and being caught in terror plots, like planting bombs in cars.

 

[Dogun18]

Its easy right? Tons of reports of Pakistanis begging abroad all over the world, raping young underage girls, and being caught in terror plots, like planting bombs in cars.

Pakistan and no other country comes remotely as close to this;

Where else would you find locals scamming and begging you? Only in India and at this rate. While their residents online type to Pakistanis abroad "Oh my god, no atta".

This is what India has done to themselves because people like you can't seem to face reality. You're only making this harder for yourselves in your short 70 years of existence.



On the other side, look at the way Pakistan treats its guests.