[🇮🇳] No surprise Pakistan sounded for ceasefire’: Air war historian Tom Cooper says conflict 'clear-cut victory' for India

[Lulldapull]

A solution to potent Air defence emerged in the form of saturated attack of swarm drone. Solution to such attack is emerging in form of Laser weapons. We have just operationalized one such system of 30 KW laser. 50, 100 and 300 kW system is in making. It can shoot a drone fone for one or 2 USD. We shot down some Chinese drome with our 30 KN drone.

Iraans fukked these Israelis time n time again by overwhelming their defenses almost every other day.

Not only does Iraans use the drones but then the cruise missiles come here n there and then low cost ballistic missiles soak up their mid tier interceptors and then finally their hypersonics come in with outmaneuvering warhead MIRVs......



Israeli/ US chutiye get overwhelmed every time man......

I've warned both Sharma n Doc and many others over the years, but they never understood nor acknowledged the fact that warfare is not what it used to be 25 years ago.

All legacy weaponry is obsolete Krishna.......its all gone bhai! the old way of warfare.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

Iraans fukked these Israelis time n time again by overwhelming their defenses almost every other day.

Not only does Iraans use the drones but then the cruise missiles come here n there and then low cost ballistic missiles soak up their mid tier interceptors and then finally their hypersonics come in with outmaneuvering warhead MIRVs......



Israeli/ US chutiye get overwhelmed every time man......

I've warned both Sharma n Doc and many others over the years, but they never understood nor acknowledged the fact that warfare is not what it used to be 25 years ago.

All legacy weaponry is obsolete Krishna.......its all gone bhai! the old way of warfare.

India upgraded its old anti aircraft gun with radar and AI. It shot down many Pakistani drones as a low cost solution.

 

[Lulldapull]

India upgraded its old anti aircraft gun with radar and AI. It shot down many Pakistani drones as a low cost solution.

Bhai I was talking about manned aviation seriously being on borrowed time.

You know?

$30 million dollar ka aap Su-30 MKI rakho.......aur $2 million dollar kharch kar k pilutthh ko train karo, tay phir aap in dono useless cheezon key maintenance per paisa kharch karo? millions of dollars over the years of useful service life.

Oh bhai.......just launch Brahmos or Scalp/ Lora/ Blue Sparrow/ Neptune ground launch versions so you save money no?

Why waste a $100 million on a launch platform like an aircraft when you can just ground or sea launch it bhai......

Pata nahi Sharma/ Gurru Dutt/ Doc kidher murr gay hain?

Hopefully they understand the obvious reality here.

@Sharma Ji

 

[Sharma Ji]

Bhai I was talking about manned aviation seriously being on borrowed time.

You know?

$30 million dollar ka aap Su-30 MKI rakho.......aur $2 million dollar kharch kar k pilutthh ko train karo, tay phir aap in dono useless cheezon key maintenance per paisa kharch karo? millions of dollars over the years of useful service life.

Oh bhai.......just launch Brahmos or Scalp/ Lora/ Blue Sparrow/ Neptune ground launch versions so you save money no?

Why waste a $100 million on a launch platform like an aircraft when you can just ground or sea launch it bhai......

Pata nahi Sharma/ Gurru Dutt/ Doc kidher murr gay hain?

Hopefully they understand the obvious reality here.

@Sharma Ji

that way toh armour and mech infantry bhi useless hai if you look at Donbass situation, but are they really useless ?

 

[Krishna with Flute]

DRDO said after analysing the PL 15 that there is nothing to reverse engineer in it. Data link and seeker of PL 15 are far inferior to What India use in Astra. PL 15 study will help in devicing counter measures.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

DRDO said after analysing the PL 15 that there is nothing to reengineer in it. Data le and seeker are far inferior to What India use in Astra. PL 15 study will help in devicing counter measures.

Tech Bonanza For India! Recovers ‘Near Intact’ China’s PL-15 BVR Missile Likely Fired At IAF Jets​

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May 9, 2025

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Amid increasing hostilities between India and Pakistan, a missile wreckage believed to be a Chinese-origin PL-15 BVR missile has been recovered from Hoshiarpur in Punjab, India, on May 9.

Interestingly, Pakistan claimed to have shot down Indian combat jets, including Rafale fighters, using the PL-15 missile.

This is reportedly the second instance of a PL-15 wreckage found inside the country since the hostilities began after India conducted strikes on terror camps inside Pakistan as part of Operation Sindoor.

Notably, this is the first time the missile has been recovered near intact.

The Chinese-origin missile is compatible with the Pakistani Air Force’s (PAF) J-10C and JF-17 fighter jets, making it hard to ascertain which aircraft it was launched from. However, the missile would likely have travelled more than 100 kilometers before falling in a field in Hoshiarpur.

The Indian government has not officially acknowledged the recovery, even though it has accused Pakistan of targeting civilian and military infrastructure using drones and missiles, on the intervening night of May 8 and 9.

Earlier, reports ​

suggested that China urgently delivered the missile to Pakistan as tensions started to soar after the Pahalgam attack. In fact, the

Pakistan Air Force (PAF) earlier released pictures of its latest JF-17 Block III fighter aircraft armed with PL-15 days ahead of Operation Sindoor.

Thus, the hype surrounding this missile has been unparalleled, making the latest wreckage discovery even more interesting.​

Fully intact Chinese PL-15 long range air-to-air missile recovered from Hoshiarpur, Punjab. Obviously fired from a PAF jet, likely a JF-17—Failed to detonate.
Yesterday HQ-9B AD system gets smoked in Lahore by an Harop, now this. Tells you a bit about Chinese weapons quality pic.twitter.com/PUfTHSTILA
— Shiv Aroor (@ShivAroor) May 9, 2025

Squadron Leader Vijainder K. Thakur, an Indian Air Force veteran and a regular contributor to the EurAsian Times, said the missile was found intact, suggesting its self-destruct mechanism did not work.

“It is a tech bonanza for India and its allies. The missile has tech issues because the self-destruct didn’t work. It could have other issues. It’s not a mature weapon.”

The recovery of the undetonated missile could be a goldmine for India. Indian engineers and scientists will now likely unpack the missile, allowing an insight into the latest Chinese technology used in one of its most advanced air-to-air missiles.​

India would be able to study the missile’s propulsion, seeker, and datalink, among other things. Moreover, it would allow India to gain an understanding of how this Chinese-origin missile resists electronic jamming, giving further insight into how to redesign its own countermeasures to intercept the missile.

When asked how this will benefit India and what components it would be most interested in, Thakur said, “It has an AESA seeker, which India is yet to develop. Also, its dual pulse motor may interest DRDO, though DRDO has developed its own.”​

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Wreckage of PL-15E found in Hoshiarpur, Punjab (Via X)

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India could use this technology to reverse engineer the Chinese missile, or to develop more advanced Beyond Visual Range Air-to-Air Missile (BVRAAM).

However, beyond that, it is a massive boost for the Indian military. Besides being used by Pakistan, the missile is also equipped on China’s fighter jets, including the J-10C and the fifth-generation J-20 Mighty Dragon.

Since China is perceived as one of India’s two biggest security threats due to the perpetual border conflict, getting hold of one of its primary long-range weapons is indeed a bonanza. It will allow India to build capability for air-to-air combat with the Chinese People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF).

Some experts and journalists, including Vishnu Som, floated the possibility of the missile being examined by the United States, which also remains at odds with China. However, it is a far-fetched prediction now, especially since the US Vice President J.D. Vance has distanced his country from the India-Pakistan clash.

This is also reminiscent of a similar incident concerning a US Black Hawk chopper, which crashed in Pakistan in 2011 during a US operation against Osama Bin Laden.



Soon after the raid, allegations surfaced that Pakistan had allowed Chinese engineers to examine the wreckage of the stealth Black Hawk. As per reports, Chinese officials were permitted to take photographs and samples of the components used in the Black Hawk.

If India decides to share the information with the US, it would be a full circle moment.​

The Chinese-origin PL-15 Missile​

The discovery of the missile is significant as it comes amid Pakistani claims that its J-10C, equipped with the PL-15E missile, shot down five Indian fighter jets, including three Rafale fighter jets.

Pakistani officials have endorsed the PL-15 as a formidable weapon that outmatches the Rafale and Meteor (BVR missile) combination.

A retired Pakistani official, Air Commodore Farooq, recently emphasized the “first-look, first-shot” capability of a J-10C equipped with a PL-15, claiming the J-10CE’s AESA radar and its PL-15E missile outmatch the Rafale’s RBE2 AESA radar and Meteor missile.

Several pro-Pakistani and pro-Chinese social media users have heaped praises on what they describe as a deadly combination of J-10C and PL-15 missiles.

“The PL-15E has a range of 150 kilometers. With the active phased array radar of the J-10CE, it can lock and shoot down advanced fighters such as Indian Rafales and Su-30MKI in BVR combat.”

China’s air combat strategies revolve around the PL-15. Developed by the state-owned Chinese aerospace corporation Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC), the PL-15 is a long-range, active radar-guided air-to-air missile.

It has an active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar and a dual-pulsed solid-propellant rocket. With the addition of a two-way datalink, the AESA radar becomes an extremely adaptable weapon that allows for accurate targeting and mid-course corrections.​

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PL-15E missile. (Via Platform X)

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The missile blends maneuverability and speed. It can supposedly reach top speeds of Mach 4 and has an operational range of 200 to 300 kilometres. The missile is compatible with various combat jets, including the J-20, J-10C, J-15, J-16, J-11B, and JF-17 Block-III.

During the Zhuhai Air Show in November 2024, China also unveiled the PL-15E missile—a compact, foldable fin design variant of the PL15​

 

[Jiangnan]

I believe both the chutiya AF's have pretty much been relegated to second line duties.

Warfare has massively evolved bhai.

Evidently, 'Air Force' has lost 90% of its luster already no?

Welcome to the new war in the subcontinent too now no?

Please don't ask me. Ask Dassault, ask Russia.

 

[Jiangnan]

DRDO said after analysing the PL 15 that there is nothing to reverse engineer in it. Data link and seeker of PL 15 are far inferior to What India use in Astra. PL 15 study will help in devicing counter measures.

But, but. The Indian Air Force does not use Astra. and PL-15 can be purchased from the open market. There are no secrets.