[🇮🇳] No surprise Pakistan sounded for ceasefire’: Air war historian Tom Cooper says conflict 'clear-cut victory' for India

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[🇮🇳] No surprise Pakistan sounded for ceasefire’: Air war historian Tom Cooper says conflict 'clear-cut victory' for India
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Vsdoc said:
Same here.

Our armed forces is very professional.

Unlike Pakistan, they are not part of civil life in India.

Nor the state.

They are an institution that maintains boundaries.

Ive grown up with these guys. But they will not say a word.
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As have I, ji

aapko yaad hoga, if you gots a freaky good memory like some do

then you'd remember ki mera connection hai to our forces by way of close family, but long retd. now, all.

bears repeating, but.. that unki fauj have always run everything there.. was a running theme.

We've known forever, Doc

That monster's just re-emerged again.

Latest batsman Munir aaya hai crease pe ab

not our first rodeo.. to use an Amriki colloquialism.
 
Sharma Ji said:
Bhai, honestly

I been watching this closely, both sides k claims and evidence after filtering out the SM noise of course

picture abhi bhi unclear hai

to me

there's just too much jingoism and a relentless barrage of fake news from both sides

official presser from India was professional

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basically, I remain unconvinced.. is too much noise right now

no ?

it'd be so nice to beat chest and "je dekho"..

but kuch hai hi nahi
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There is only one gray area of this conflict. They planes down on both the sides. Rest of the land attacks are visible from sky. Nobody can lie. Pakistan tried to lie on Anandpur attack and get exposed. The only thing they can lie about is downing of Rafale on Indian side. They can not lie on terrorist sides being hit, their 11 air bases being hit and their nuclear installation being hit. Everything (photos and Videos) is available on social media and you tube.
 
Krishna with Flute said:
There is only one gray area of this conflict. They planes down on both the sides. Rest of the land attacks are visible from sky. Nobody can lie. Pakistan tried to lie on Anandpur attack and get exposed. The only thing they can lie about is downing of Rafale on Indian side. They can not lie on terrorist sides being hit, their 11 air bases being hit and their nuclear installation being hit. Everything (photos and Videos) is available on social media and you tube.
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Adampur
 
Krishna with Flute said:
They can not lie on terrorist sides being hit, their 11 air bases being hit and their nuclear installation being hit. Everything (photos and Videos) is available on social media and you tube.
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Exactly.

Its not just what we hit.

Like 2019 (but lower in the tectonic shift ladder) its THAT we hit it.

Once you cross the Rubicon, its the equivalent of breaching the walls of a mediaeval castle.

The fight is then in the enemy's house.
 
Vsdoc said:
To Pakistan kyun banaya jab saath saath reh sakte ho?

Can't have it both ways bhai.
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UK nay banaya bhai.......Aur aaj bhee UK waalay he asal maalkaan hain hamaray (evidently).

Agent Gandhi.......007

Agent Jinnah.......008

Agent Nehru.......009

Sub ko pata hae........Lord Mountbatten k tuttay chaatt-tay thay teeno, din raat......

Kya lund legacy hae bhai.......

Subhaanallah no?
 
Krishna with Flute said:
Now the reports are coming out of heavy damage to planes of Pakistan. 8 F16 destroyed. 4 down in air and 4 destroyed on ground.
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India crippled us Krishna......its a lot more we're hiding......I mean the Scalp/ Brahmos attacks really fukked us up.

If we add up all the attacks, it was 18 Brahmos and no fewer than 40 Scalps/ Storm Shadows and there is suspicion that a dozen or so Israeli Hammer aero-ballistic missiles, including the ones that destroyed the 7 Seminaries in Bhawalpur, Mirpur and Kotli areas. India also launched no fewer than a 100 or so Harpys Herons to cripple our AD.

There is no question we got punk'd.
 
Krishna with Flute said:
Now the reports are coming out of heavy damage to planes of Pakistan. 8 F16 destroyed. 4 down in air and 4 destroyed on ground.
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Please share sources Krishna.

I have no doubt in my mind that their airforce was hit.

Their AWACS (the other one we hit and killed in the Bholari hangar) was flying circles in Iranian air.

That was the level of their fear.

And helplessness.

Its not just technology we brought to bear. It was intelligence.

Where. When. How many.

They now know there is no place in Pakistan they can successfully hide (and protect) any asset.
 
Sharma Ji said:
There's saturation attacks, effective, but its not like a golden chaabi that you don't need vs more sophisticated defences
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Great comment, Counter-air ops and air-superiority ops are not either/or propositions. Both have their utility/place and both can be used in adjunct manner.

Please read the relevant USAF doctrine documents which discuss this. Then post comments.



 
Lulldapull said:
UK nay banaya bhai.......Aur aaj bhee UK waalay he asal maalkaan hain hamaray (evidently).

Agent Gandhi.......007

Agent Jinnah.......008

Agent Nehru.......009

Sub ko pata hae........Lord Mountbatten k tuttay chaatt-tay thay teeno, din raat......

Kya lund legacy hae bhai.......

Subhaanallah no?
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Jinnah ko agar agent kahega toh Pakistaniyo ko gussa nahi ayega kya?
 
Bagheera0084 said:
You didn't get my question. Try calling Jinnah an agent on the other forum. What would be Pakistani members' reaction?
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When you need financial bailouts every 6 months, and now your army exposed as incompetent, and the civilian gubment can’t provide you security nor justice….

Do you understand?

Wes fukking done!

What Jinnah? Or Gandhi? Left to discuss?

Go face the wall and cry, like a colored child in a convent colonial school.

Hum Pakistani ghareebon key koi haysiyat bachee hae? Koi izzat baqi hae?

What planet you living on?
 
Coming back to the topic:



Gents.......hamara band baja bajj gya hae peechhay say.......basically. Its not even funny anymore.

Ab Trump he day ga with UK/ EU chipping in toward a gradual rearmament process with lots of hand me downs/ used equipment.

I'd be surprised if we approach China for any weapons now and totally agree that it would take a decade for Pakistan to recover the losses from this short war.
 
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More on this total dismantling of our military:



Even if some of this is true, it paints a rather dire picture no?

India has totally gained ascendancy on Pakistan after this operation.

I just can't see the Pak military keeping its hold on the narrative, nor on the population much longer.
 
Krishna with Flute said:
US expert on Operation Sindoor.

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I think this is all fluff from mearsheimer no?

Outfits like Al-Tukiya, Israel, Pakistan, Egypt and Jordan etc are satraps for the empire no?

Chutiya is da Indian who believes in this anti-terror nonsense or an economic tie-up wid da west......lol

They throw some crumbs at yous for setting up factories/ utilizing cheap labor, but on de other hand openly back terrorism across da globe using these satraps no?

Indians ko ye samajh ne aata that the west is the main terror king pin.......lol
 
Vsdoc said:
This is the beardo takla i was referring too. Amitabh Bachchan voice.

Wajahat Khan.

Pashtun Gulkhan army brat.

Our Oscar is reminding me of this chap.
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Kya bola usne, I haven't been keeping up much with the chatter there. That place has become like a cesspool, crawling with enraged jihadi maggots.

Some, who I though were allrite, also losing the plot.. ek plague sa fael gaya hai wahan.
 
Sharma Ji said:
Kya bola usne, I haven't been keeping up much with the chatter there. That place has become like a cesspool, crawling with enraged jihadi maggots.

Some, who I though were allrite, also losing the plot.. ek plague sa fael gaya hai wahan.
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Remember what I told you and Sam and @Guru Dutt in the early days. On WhatsApp ...

This is not from Jihad Central. This guy is an old commentator. You Tube. Cheema ka sophisticate angrej counterpart.
 
Sharma Ji said:
you'll enjoy this one, Doc



@Li lulldapull aap bhi dekhein
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Arnab ko I can't fault anymore cuz I luv his famous rant on jahil dalit when he mercilessly blurts out......'Kuchh bhee Kuchh bhee'....... :ROFLMAO:

Heart patient bun gya hae abhi say from high octane jahil dalit sessions.......

I warn older gents now to take it easy and not get antagonized.

Jo bhee hona hae Sharma.......we can't help it bhai......

We can only lament......

Take Irans ancient Zoroastrian approach toward politics and life.

Stay calm, keep doing what yous doing, far smarter minds are at work upholding your wisdom, honor and life/ property.

2500 saal say aik qaum ka zinda rehna is no miracle (with losses along da way, but never lost their soul and being). Its hard work.

Aaaj bhee vohi haal hae bhai.......Constant state of war!
 
Lulldapull said:
Arnab ko I can't fault anymore cuz I luv his famous rant on jahil dalit when he mercilessly blurts out......'Kuchh bhee Kuchh bhee'....... :ROFLMAO:

Heart patient bun gya hae abhi say from high octane jahil dalit sessions.......

I warn older gents now to take it easy and not get antagonized.

Jo bhee hona hae Sharma.......we can't help it bhai......

We can only lament......

Take Irans ancient Zoroastrian approach toward politics and life.

Stay calm, keep doing what yous doing, far smarter minds are at work upholding your wisdom, honor and life/ property.

2500 saal say aik qaum ka zinda rehna is no miracle (with losses along da way, but never lost their soul and being). Its hard work.

Aaaj bhee vohi haal hae bhai.......Constant state of war!
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They left their Persian Prophet.

Their holy Atash Padshah.

And their one true God.

And adopted all of the same of the subhuman lizard eating girl child burying Arabs they held under their imperial chappals for thousands of years.

They adopted the script. And still laughingly write right to left and call it "Persian"

They adopted their names.

They built mosques over each and every ancient Zoroastrian temple. And coopted the legacy and called them mosques.

They spat in the holy fire.

They lost their ancient libraries and texts, and which were never once rewritten.

Then as a consolation prize, the write the Quran in their point of view.

300 years after Muhammad actually lived and passed away.

Then as further consolation civilizational acrobatics, they took all the base tenets of their ancestral faith, and split Islam down the center into the Zoroastrian image of their new adopted faith.

Never once in their 1400 year Muslim nationhood were they ever again close to being an empire remotely resembling the three great Zoroastrian ones of 3500 years.

Now they say we wus Zarathushti.

Take ancient Persian names.

Wear the faravahr as a fashion pendant. Or tatoo it on their backs and chest like some neo nazi punk.

And you say they did not lose their soul?

That is EXACTLY what they lost!
 
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Mainstream media is losing its appeal even as a 5 minute quick entertainment lolfest. I had stopped watching arsa ago.

There's some hope in alt media but many are falling for the same trappings of sansani'ing xhit up for eyeballs.

it sells, and as we all know .. sabka malik shekel 💵
 
Vsdoc said:
They left their Persian Prophet.

Their holy Atash Padshah.

And their one true God.

And adipted all of the same of the subhuman lizard eating Arabs they held under their imperial chappals for thousands of years.

Then as a consolation prize, the write the Quran in their point of view.

300 years after Muhammad actually lived and passed away.

Then as further consolation civilizational acrobatics, they took all the base tenets of their ancestral faith, and split Islam down the center into the Zoroastrian image of their new adopted faith.

Never once in their 1400 year Muslim nationhood were they ever again close to being an empire remotely resembling tge three great Zoroastrian ones of 3500 years.

And you say they did not lose their soul?

That us EXACTLY what they lost!
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Ab to 100 feesad islam finished in Iran bhai.....you know they don't wanna be associated even.

Sub khatam doc.....

You know we'd all throw up if the Zartosht don't go back and officially reclaim it......

Pehlay say aadhay Parsi ho gaey hain dobara say......now whether its cultural or real......it don't even matter no more.

What matters is what they advertise themselves with.

Buss.

5% bhee nahi bachay musalman Iran main......maybe even less just like UK is Christy X-Tian..... :ROFLMAO:

gubment can't allow a public show of this admission, vurna saaray carorron global volunteers will get disenfranchised.

Now that can't be allowed doc.

Strategic front collapse ho jaey ga!!!!
 
Vsdoc said:
They left their Persian Prophet.

Their holy Atash Padshah.

And their one true God.

And adopted all of the same of the subhuman lizard eating girl child burying Arabs they held under their imperial chappals for thousands of years.

They adopted the script. And still laughingly write right to left and call it "Persian"

They adopted their names.

They built mosques over each and every ancient Zoroastrian temple. And coopted the legacy and called them mosques.

They spat in the holy fire.

They lost their ancient libraries and texts, and which were never once rewritten.

Then as a consolation prize, the write the Quran in their point of view.

300 years after Muhammad actually lived and passed away.

Then as further consolation civilizational acrobatics, they took all the base tenets of their ancestral faith, and split Islam down the center into the Zoroastrian image of their new adopted faith.

Never once in their 1400 year Muslim nationhood were they ever again close to being an empire remotely resembling the three great Zoroastrian ones of 3500 years.

Now they say we wus Zaratushti.

Take ancient Persian names.

Wear tthe faravahr as a fashion pendant. Or tatoo it on their backs and chest like some neo nazi punk.

And you say they did not lose their soul?

That us EXACTLY what they lost!
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but the deen isn't strong there.

Our Shia here somehow gravitate toward the BJP, and some others like the Bohras. Both with ties to Persia. Shia Islam and ancient trade.

theprint.in

Origins & evolution of BJP's dalliance with Shia Muslims, the ‘minority within minority’

Traditionally, BJP’s outreach to Shias, who make up an estimated 15% of India's Muslim population, has been predicated on community’s religious leadership. But that is now changing.
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Sharma Ji said:
but the deen isn't strong there.

Our Shia here somehow gravitate toward the BJP, and some others like the Bohras. Both with ties to Persia. Shia Islam and ancient trade.

theprint.in

Origins & evolution of BJP's dalliance with Shia Muslims, the ‘minority within minority’

Traditionally, BJP’s outreach to Shias, who make up an estimated 15% of India's Muslim population, has been predicated on community’s religious leadership. But that is now changing.
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Bohras are Yemen.
 
Lulldapull said:
Ab keh ra hae ye? Old 911 lumbher dhunnt whurrk?

Ullu ka puttha!

Ye nahi bolta k twaadday pyo nu lhunn maaran stop doing terrorism using busted ass failed states?

😝

Monafqat key inteha ho gaee hae gents!

Koi suchh bolnay ko tyaar nahi bhai….

Ye nahi keh sakta J Shankur k trump sahb, aap kub terrorism karna bund karo gay?



@Vsdoc @Sharma Ji @Guru Dutt @Krishna with Flute
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Jaishankar is a BJP man at the end of the day. He cannot and will not cross the party line.

And in the days weeks months and years ahead India will ask the BJP why it stopped the war.

The truth ALWAYS comes out.
 

The most anti-Chinese Taiwanese news ridiculed the Indian Air Force. (english subtitles)

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