[🇮🇳] No surprise Pakistan sounded for ceasefire’: Air war historian Tom Cooper says conflict 'clear-cut victory' for India

[Lulldapull]

India and Israel definitely worked closely on the operational and strategic side.

My read?

No one expected your nukes to be so poorly protected.

That fkn freaked every big boy out.

Beijing. Moscow. Washington. Tel Aviv. Tehran.

And especially New Delhi.

We were not ready for the fallout

Literally.

Now a cleanup is happening. And the keys are gonna be taken away from the irresponsible kid.

While you guys are busy making Field Marshals ...

Bohot bura huwa doc, cuz we were no threat anybody.....

Bhookay nungay ghareeb mulk key phentty lugga dee over a false flag bhai.

All those gaand key toiba and Jamat ud dawa madarsay were for sarrak k yateem/ basturd kids walking around. They are harmless people.

I'm not joking.

Falah/ behbood/ charity madarsay bare ghareeb yateem bachay.

Pakistan is a harmless country doc, there is a lot of propaganda but our military has stopped using jihadi wahabbi long time ago now because of FATF drama.

And we are broke busted ass economy.

So god knows why we got attacked bhai.

 

[Vsdoc]

Bohot bura huwa doc, cuz we were no threat anybody.....

Bhookay nungay ghareeb mulk key phentty lugga dee over a false flag bhai.

All those gaand key toiba and Jamat ud dawa madarsay were for sarrak k yateem/ basturd kids walking around. They are harmless people.

I'm not joking.

Falah/ behbood/ charity madarsay bare ghareeb yateem bachay.

Pakistan is a harmless country doc, there is a lot of propaganda but our military has stopped using jihadi wahabbi long time ago now because of FATF drama.

And we are broke busted ass economy.

So god knows why we got attacked bhai.

Pakistan is a rogue state.

Pakistanis till pehalgam were abusing Munir and the army and ISI and the puppet government.

India never attacked the civilian populace.

Yet India became the villain?

India and the Indian Army will eventually need to delivery your awaam from your Fauj.

By killing it.

The water will flow then. As will reconstruction help.

 

[Lulldapull]

Pakistan is a rogue state.

Pakistanis till pehalgam were abusing Munir and the army and ISI and the puppet government.

India never attacked the civilian populace.

Yet India became the villain?

India and the Indian Army will eventually need to delivery your awaam from your Fauj.

By killing it.

The water will flow then. As will reconstruction help.

Doc, TBVF.......army per say 90% awaam ka to etbaar he khatam ho gya hae......ever since the IK saga.......

We are at our weakest point in history and god forbid if there is a violent end to this situation because a lot of people could get hurt.

Nobody will save us now other than the US and UK.......

Iran nay to kub ka moon morr liya hae hum say. They are a bedrock of stability in da region since millennia.......ab to vo bhee naraz hain hum say.

 

[Vsdoc]

Doc, TBVF.......army per say 90% awaam ka to etbaar he khatam ho gya hae......ever since the IK saga.......

We are at our weakest point in history and god forbid if there is a violent end to this situation because a lot of people could get hurt.

Nobody will save us now other than the US and UK.......

Iran nay to kub ka moon morr liya hae hum say. They are a bedrock of stability in da region since millennia.......ab to vo bhee naraz hain hum say.

Bhai, maybe this belongs to the "Remember what Doc said" thread

I have always told everyone that Kashmir is a hauwwa

Ye jung purani hai.

And it will play out to its natural conclusion.

True peace between India and Pakistan will happen only when one side is no longer able to wage war.

We are heading to the final chapters of that play.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

IAF confirms that there was no loss of Indian aircraft from the hit of PL15.

It is said that one Su 30 and one Rafale were lost from Indian side. one Mirage 2000, Rafale ,Mig 29 and Tejas were damaged. On the other side, either 9 or 11 Planes were shot down including J10, F-16 and JF17. One AWA&C and one C-130 confirmed lost 2 AWA& C damaged in addition to other US and Chinese fighters. IAF will release details soon.

 

[Sharma Ji]

The difference between Congress and BJP.

Now starkly visible to every Indian.

1971. 7th fleet steaming into the Bay of Bengal.

2025. A phone call to leader ji.

Admiral Vladimir Kruglyakov and his nuke sub saved us then.

 

[Vsdoc]

Admiral Vladimir Kruglyakov and his nuke sub saved us then.

You can continue living in denial.

Our country, our land, belongs to all of us.

No party has the right to play with its present or future.

 

[Sharma Ji]

You can continue living in denial.

Our country, our land, belongs to all of us.

No party has the right to play with its present or future.

wut ??

I was talking about the 7th fleet ko kisne roka when they were headed to save east Pakistan ?

With the US blocked out the equation, Sam and his men finished the job.

 

[Vsdoc]

wut ??

I was talking about the 7th fleet ko kisne roka when they were headed to save east Pakistan ?

With the US blocked out the equation, Sam and his men finished the job.

You are laying covering fire for leader ji and his coterie.

By indirectly taking credit away from Indira ji and Sam and the ballsy moves they made for India.

And birthed a new country.

Admit it. You're too transparent.

 

[Sharma Ji]

You are laying covering fire for leader ji and his coterie.

By indirectly taking credit away from Indira ji and Sam and the ballsy moves they made for India.

And birthed a new country.

Admit it. You're too transparent.

Ekdum apolitically bola, yes, was a great Indian victory, Sam and 'the girl' won it, no taking credit away, but the 7th fleet sure would have complicated matters, so the Soviets and comrade Brezhnev also deserve some credit for running interference.

 

[Vsdoc]

Ekdum apolitically bola, yes, was a great Indian victory, Sam and 'the girl' won it, no taking credit away, but the 7th fleet sure would have complicated matters, so the Soviets and comrade Brezhnev also deserve some credit for running interference.

Did the Russians help Indira do Smiling Buddha as well?

 

[Sharma Ji]

Did the Russians help Indira do Smiling Buddha as well?

Homi ji did iinw

damn, you Zoros everywhere

 

[Vsdoc]

Homi ji did iinw

damn, you Zoros everywhere

Without doxxing me, it was my clansman ...

 

[Sharma Ji]

Without doxxing me, it was my clansman ...

yes, you might've mentioned once.

that's pretty cool

 

[Krishna with Flute]

Urban warfare expert Jhon spensor said that Pakistan was no match to India's offensive power and it was left with no option but to seek ceasefire.

 

[Lulldapull]

People asking questions about the latest attack on a school bus in Balochistan where a whole bunch of kids got killed n injured. How powerless Pakistani state is to address the situation or tackle terror. Just a hopeless state that has truly collapsed now beyond a shadow of doubt.

There was a terror attack in India and India attacked a dozen military bases in Pakistan and demolished 7 seminaries and also destroyed Pakistans air defenses and completely blunted Pakistani retaliation.

So in other words Pakistan has been strategically defeated.

There is a real possibility that the country could collapse now and disintegrate.

It would really be a catastrophe if this happens

 

[Vsdoc]

People asking questions about the latest attack on a school bus in Balochistan where a whole bunch of kids got killed n injured. How powerless Pakistani state is to address the situation or tackle terror. Just a hopeless state that has truly collapsed now beyond a shadow of doubt.

There was a terror attack in India and India attacked a dozen military bases in Pakistan and demolished 7 seminaries and also destroyed Pakistans air defenses and completely blunted Pakistani retaliation.

So in other words Pakistan has been strategically defeated.

There is a real possibility that the country could collapse now and disintegrate.

It would really be a catastrophe if this happens

Would it really?

 

[Lulldapull]

Would it really?

Many would die. Hundreds of Thousands.

Outside of Karachi, Lahore, isloo……it’s pretty much already collapsed.

So much violent crime. Do mint main you get robbed.

 

[Lulldapull]

This stupid fukk of a guy refuses to admit k the western media issued the reports of downing Rafales and what not using toy like PL-15's.......lol

Aaaaaaaahahahahahaaaaaaa.......what a stupid jahil dalit media Indias got no?



I'm seriously beginning to buy docs narrative about the west and its butt buddy phattu China for supporting the Pakistan military junk narrative!

This getting stale now gents, and most Indian analysts don't know who to suck off?

I've told Sharma that as repugnant as Arnab Goswami is, his famous blurt....'kuchh bhee'....'kuchh bheee'.......always gives me a chuckle, cuz he means it and his frustration is super evident on his face......lol

@Vsdoc @Sharma Ji @Krishna with Flute @Bilal9 @Saif @Guru Dutt

 

[Vsdoc]

Many would die. Hundreds of Thousands.

Outside of Karachi, Lahore, isloo……it’s pretty much already collapsed.

So much violent crime. Do mint main you get robbed.

Thats what I meant.

Would it really be worse?

Or some firewalling between hostile factions in the form of a border and formal security apparatus would actually help.

 

[Vsdoc]

This stupid fukk of a guy refuses to admit k the western media issued the reports of downing Rafales and what not using toy like PL-15's.......lol

Aaaaaaaahahahahahaaaaaaa.......what a stupid jahil dalit media Indias got no?



I'm seriously beginning to buy docs narrative about the west and its butt buddy phattu China for supporting the Pakistan military junk narrative!

This getting stale now gents, and most Indian analysts don't know who to suck off?

I've told Sharma that as repugnant as Arnab Goswami is, his famous blurt....'kuchh bhee'....'kuchh bheee'.......always gives me a chuckle, cuz he means it and his frustration is super evident on his face......lol

@Vsdoc @Sharma Ji @Krishna with Flute @Bilal9 @Saif @Guru Dutt

Is it any surprise that the Americans have always hated France's guts, and very vice versa?

Unlike pappu UK, France is actually independent and sovereign in its security and nuclear deterrence.

And they are competing (and winning) in the grab for India's significant defence pie.

In the beginning of the Ukraine war, who blew up the gas line that was the lifeline to "ally" gora paper-wipe pichwada Europe?

 

[Mainerik]

@Lulldapull @Krishna with Flute @Vsdoc

 

[Mainerik]

@Lulldapull @Krishna with Flute @Vsdoc

@Sharma Ji

 

[Sharma Ji]

@Sharma Ji

what ?

 

[Mainerik]

what ?

Modi blocked that video too? Look above.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Modi blocked that video too? Look above.

no, its from a couple days ago, Surdy sez he saw a plane crash

what's your point ?

also, please stop tagging me

thanks.

 

[Mainerik]

no, its from a couple days ago, Surdy sez he saw a plane crash

what's your point ?

also, please stop tagging me

thanks.

You gotta see the truth bud. Rafales shot down. Pkistan should nuke you for your Balochistan comments.

 

[Sharma Ji]

You gotta see the truth bud. Rafales shot down. Pkistan should nuke you for your Balochistan comments.

How about you change your flags to reflect your actual 'where you're from' thing (cant say ethnicity coz the subcontinent is a mess)

you Pakistani, right ?

why hiding behind Lubnaan flag ?

or could you be a BD ?

whatever the case may be, you sure as hell not a Lebanese.

@Vsdoc @Lulldapull ..

 

[Vsdoc]

What's your point @Mainerik

We fkn shoved a big fat missile up your nuclear hole.

And you looking for a fig leaf?

Do you realise what you look like to the world today?

A naked "nuclear power"

Damn man. Even North Korea and non nuclear Iran and Turkey and Egypt dont get violated like you.

Want more? I'm here all night.

 

[Sharma Ji]

 

[Sharma Ji]

ye item kahan ka hai

what's your spidey sense say ?

 

[Vsdoc]

ye item kahan ka hai

what's your spidey sense say ?

Some day, when we are not at war, I'll tell you what I really think of a large chunk of our demographic, including the current dispensation, in graphic detail.

For now, we have many wars to fight and survive as a nation.

 

[Lulldapull]

@Lulldapull @Krishna with Flute @Vsdoc

Explosion could be anything. A drone falling down and exploding, or a drop tank or a grad rocket or an arty round.

So confident he says the wreckage was a jet then why not film it or take pics?

Bukvaas news.

No proof no?

 

[Sharma Ji]

Some day, when we are not at war, I'll tell you what I really think of a large chunk of our demographic, including the current dispensation, in graphic detail.

For now, we have many wars to fight and survive as a nation.

Phew !

for a second there I thought you might have been alluding to you and me being at some sort of "war" lol

clearly, I overestimate myself

 

[Sharma Ji]

in fact, fukit .. where is this Mainerik guy from.. aap dono batao

@Vsdoc @Lulldapull

 

[Lulldapull]

in fact, fukit .. where is this Mainerik guy from.. aap dono batao

@Vsdoc @Lulldapull

He’s Pakistani running a small shop in Beirut. Understands our lingo. Might have grown up in the GCC environment.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Explosion could be anything. A drone falling down and exploding, or a drop tank or a grad rocket or an arty round.

So confident he says the wreckage was a jet then why not film it or take pics?

Bukvaas news.

No proof no?

Bhai, honestly

I been watching this closely, both sides k claims and evidence after filtering out the SM noise of course

picture abhi bhi unclear hai

to me

there's just too much jingoism and a relentless barrage of fake news from both sides

official presser from India was professional

------------

basically, I remain unconvinced.. is too much noise right now

no ?

it'd be so nice to beat chest and "je dekho"..

but kuch hai hi nahi

 

[Sharma Ji]

He’s Pakistani running a small shop in Beirut. Understands our lingo. Might have grown up in the GCC environment.

hmm

selling cheap shisha pipes and gulaab flavor, maybe the odd knife type.. full bhikari type bola jaye toh, eh ?

xutia saala

 

[Vsdoc]

Bhai, honestly

I been watching this closely, both sides k claims and evidence after filtering out the SM noise of course

picture abhi bhi unclear hai

to me

there's just too much jingoism and a relentless barrage of fake news from both sides

official presser from India was professional

------------

basically, I remain unconvinced.. is too much noise right now

no ?

it'd be so nice to beat chest and "je dekho"..

but kuch hai hi nahi

Like the double digit IQ retards from JC and Bharat forum, you are hung up on banya ginti.

Look at the bigger picture.

6 years ago a cross border air attack was a paradigm shift.

Pakistan ate it and retaliated. Without intolerable escalation.

That was their biggest mistake.

Today 6 years later we bombed with impunity their biggest cities, most secure air bases, and the cherry on the cake, their nuclear dumps.

All that's left after this is decapitation strikes on Islamabad,

And destroying Karachi.

 

[Vsdoc]

There is a term for 2019

Its called "crossing the Rubicon"

After that, 2025 was but the natural progression.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Like the double digit IQ retards from JC and Bharat forum, you are hung up on banya ginti.

Look at the bigger picture.

6 years ago a cross border air attack was a paradigm shift.

Pakistan ate it and retaliated. Without intolerable escalation.

That was their biggest mistake.

Today 6 years later we bombed with impunity their biggest cities, most secure air bases, and the cherry on the cake, their nuclear dumps.

All that's left after this is decapitation strikes on Islamabad,

And destroying Karachi.

matlab, I can cautiously say "Well done, guys"

cautiously but, being the thing here

i got no cool "inside sources"

news dekho, gives me a headache, Pk news dekho, annoys me

3rd party waaley bhi aa gae, in strangth.. koi keh ra India ne 5 gira diye unke hawai jahaz

agla bol ra bc unhone gira diye hamarey bc

---------------

meanwhile bdp, here's me sitting at home going wut

 

[Sharma Ji]

@Paitoo uddin lekhak kahan hai aaj kal

aa ja bhai

 

[Sharma Ji]

Like the double digit IQ retards from JC and Bharat forum, you are hung up on banya ginti.

Look at the bigger picture.

6 years ago a cross border air attack was a paradigm shift.

Pakistan ate it and retaliated. Without intolerable escalation.

That was their biggest mistake.

Today 6 years later we bombed with impunity their biggest cities, most secure air bases, and the cherry on the cake, their nuclear dumps.

All that's left after this is decapitation strikes on Islamabad,

And destroying Karachi.

haan, unka poora seaboard can be easily handled by western command only

full blockade laga deni ae worst case situation

koi kuch ni kar sakta

 

[Lulldapull]

Bhai, honestly

I been watching this closely, both sides k claims and evidence after filtering out the SM noise of course

picture abhi bhi unclear hai

to me

there's just too much jingoism and a relentless barrage of fake news from both sides

official presser from India was professional

------------

basically, I remain unconvinced.. is too much noise right now

no ?

it'd be so nice to beat chest and "je dekho"..

but kuch hai hi nahi

Its the question of aircraft wreckage's which all turned out false. old crash vids of AF jets which went down years ago on either side. They were recycled and shown as proofs.

Doctored up AI pics/ vidz showing that Rafale engine/ tail. Sub jhoott.

India has shown satellite pics of damaged PAF military bases. Shown Fateh/ Nasr rockets shot down and dozens of turkiya drone wrecks from its side.

We have shown no such thing. Just a few harpy/ harop wrecks. Buss!

Clearly India had the upper hand no?

And those 7 'gaand key toba'/ JUD yateemo k madarsay totally devastated.

Oh bhai crystal now, hum nahi rok sakay the relentless Scalp/ Brahmos barrages no?

Our AD is a joke!.....proven now.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Its the question of aircraft wreckage's which all turned out false. old crash vids of AF jets which went down years ago on either side. They were recycled and shown as proofs.

Doctored up AI pics/ vidz showing that Rafale engine/ tail. Sub jhoott.

India has shown satellite pics of damaged PAF military bases. Shown Fateh/ Nasr rockets shot down and dozens of turkiya drone wrecks from its side.

We have shown no such thing. Just a few harpy/ harop wrecks. Buss!

Clearly India had the upper hand no?

And those 7 'gaand key toba'/ JUD yateemo k madarsay totally devastated.

Oh bhai crystal now, hum nahi rok sakay the relentless Scalp/ Brahmos barrages no?

Our AD is a joke!.....proven now.

yes, "evidence" ke naam pe jo dia hai, in the public domain by Pk, with your FM saying "social media pe dekho"

amounts to nothing

our's was relatively professional, blurry images pe building pe kaaley kaaley chhed dikhaye.. k i vekkhen, itthay ghusin saadi misslein te bumban

scuse my horrible Punjabi

but basically that only

 

[Vsdoc]

matlab, I can cautiously say "Well done, guys"

cautiously but, being the thing here

i got no cool "inside sources"

news dekho, gives me a headache, Pk news dekho, annoys me

3rd party waaley bhi aa gae, in strangth.. koi keh ra India ne 5 gira diye unke hawai jahaz

agla bol ra bc unhone gira diye hamarey bc

---------------

meanwhile bdp, here's me sitting at home going wut

Same here.

Our armed forces is very professional.

Unlike Pakistan, they are not part of civil life in India.

Nor the state.

They are an institution that maintains boundaries.

Ive grown up with these guys. But they will not say a word.

 

[Lulldapull]

Sharma, ager india bhaandda nahi phorrta by showing the damaged bases pics, Pakistan wouldn't admit to jack shiit.

Yous can't hide the truth in todays whulld bhai.

 

[Vsdoc]

Sharma, ager india bhaandda nahi phorrta by showing the damaged bases pics, Pakistan wouldn't admit to jack shiit.

Yous can't hide the truth in todays whulld bhai.

Bhai , it was Pakistani locals videos the world was watching 10th morning.

Live.

 

[Lulldapull]

Bhai , it was Pakistani locals videos the world was watching 10th morning.

Live.

Haan aur vo actual brahmos scalp strike vids on madarsay and our bases and AD units per.....

toba toba doc.......

India shouldn't have done this.

You know we are harmless now.

Na afghani hum say baat kartay hain, aap logon nay to kub ka boycott kara huwa hae, aur ab Irani bhee hamain gaand dikha detay hain.

Great situ wes in man.......total failure of foreign policy.

 

[Vsdoc]

Haan aur vo actual brahmos scalp strike vids on madarsay and our bases and AD units per.....

toba toba doc.......

India shouldn't have done this.

You know we are harmless now.

Na afghani hum say baat kartay hain, aap logon nay to kub ka boycott kara huwa hae, aur ab Irani bhee hamain gaand dikha detay hain.

Great situ wes in man.......total failure of foreign policy.

Bro I dont believe Pakistan was innocent.

I know you maintain it and will not budge.

Lekin tumhare mulk mein ek keeda hai.

Hinduon ko maarna.