[🇮🇳] No surprise Pakistan sounded for ceasefire’: Air war historian Tom Cooper says conflict 'clear-cut victory' for India

[Lulldapull]

Aadi ka paadi.......giving the run down:



Its hard to believe anybody still in denial is just lying to himself.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Aadi ka paadi.......giving the run down:



Its hard to believe anybody still in denial is just lying to himself.

I'd like very much to believe it but itna damage and losses, jo ye bol raha hai, usko how can you keep hidden ?

1 il76 tanker, 1 saab erieye whatever awacs, 4 f16, 1 mirage, 1 hq9 battery ??

bin saboot nahi maan skte, ye bhi view/subs ki farming kar ra hai.

 

[Vsdoc]

I'd like very much to believe it but itna damage and losses, jo ye bol raha hai, usko how can you keep hidden ?

1 il76 tanker, 1 saab erieye whatever awacs, 4 f16, 1 mirage, 1 hq9 battery ??

bin saboot nahi maan skte, ye bhi view/subs ki farming kar ra hai.

Fk all that. Do you deny any of the targets hit?

Its not only what was hit.

Its that it WAS hit. And Pakistan could neither prevent nor retaliate.

Paradigm shift. Boiling frog. Janta deluded. Boil more. BLA hitting. Taliban hitting. Boil more.

Frog sitting only. Boiling. Temperature rising. Not jumping.

Cannot jump.

To jump you need weaponry. Money.

It is not just telling that they used 2 ballistic missiles.

But that they used only two. Even after they were intercepted, no further barrage.

Each missile is probably the municipal budget of one of their cities.

They could not even sustain a 4 day war with engagement of only one arm.

 

[Vsdoc]

I'd like very much to believe it but itna damage and losses, jo ye bol raha hai, usko how can you keep hidden ?

1 il76 tanker, 1 saab erieye whatever awacs, 4 f16, 1 mirage, 1 hq9 battery ??

bin saboot nahi maan skte, ye bhi view/subs ki farming kar ra hai.

You've spent so much time on JC, that you've started thinking like them.

Stop your banya ginti. Let authentic banyas like Guru do that.

Think strategic. Think like a bamman.

Chanakya niti.

Not like a teli. Like you know who.

 

[Bagheera0084]

Fk all that. Do you deny any of the targets hit?

Its not only what was hit.

Its that it WAS hit. And Pakistan could neither prevent nor retaliate.

Paradigm shift. Boiling frog. Janta deluded. Boil more. BLA hitting. Taliban hitting. Boil more.

Frog sitting only. Boiling. Temperature rising. Not jumping.

Cannot jump.

To jump you need weaponry. Money.

It is not just telling that they used 2 ballistic missiles.

But that they used only two. Even after they were intercepted, no further barrage.

Each missile is probably the municipal budget of one of their cities.

They could not even sustain a 4 day war with engagement of only one arm.

One or two questions:

1. Does Pakistan's general public know that Pakistan was badly beaten?

2. If no, when will Pakistan's general public start realising it? 1965, 1999, 2019 and 2025: All conflicts were painted as Pakistan's victories. When will Pakistan's general public start sensing the truth?

 

[Bagheera0084]

Not like a teli. Like you know who.

Who is like teli?

@Sharma Ji

 

[Vsdoc]

One or two questions:

1. Does Pakistan's general public know that Pakistan was badly beaten?

2. If no, when will Pakistan's general public start realising it? 1965, 1999, 2019 and 2025: All conflicts were painted as Pakistan's victories. When will Pakistan's general public start sensing the truth?

I can tell you what my parents told me of 1971. The fear was palpable. I was a few months old. My dad was at work. Mum was at home alone with me. Complete blackout. Windowpanes with paper/cardboard stuck on them. Air raid sirens.

Now imagine what goes theough the mind of Pakistanis when they see fire from the sky, and the final terminal scream of a missile, and then the spectacular detonation on their most guarded high value sites.

Sites which 99% of them must never have been allowed into.

And here the enemy is reaching out and touching you.

Again and again. Loud. Bright. At night.

No amount of propaganda is going to defeat the viral fear on the ground. Fear helplessness.

A d soon anger and resentment.

When their internal enemies keep hitting them.

And failed generals become Field Marshals .

 

[Sharma Ji]

Fk all that. Do you deny any of the targets hit?

Its not only what was hit.

Its that it WAS hit. And Pakistan could neither prevent nor retaliate.

Paradigm shift. Boiling frog. Janta deluded. Boil more. BLA hitting. Taliban hitting. Boil more.

Frog sitting only. Boiling. Temperature rising. Not jumping.

Cannot jump.

To jump you need weaponry. Money.

It is not just telling that they used 2 ballistic missiles.

But that they used only two. Even after they were intercepted, no further barrage.

Each missile is probably the municipal budget of one of their cities.

They could not even sustain a 4 day war with engagement of only one arm.

Oh sure, we did a full presser here with BDA sat pics clearly showing collapsed hangar domes and radar sites hit, uska no doubt.

but ye, itne saare f16s + mirages + tanker + awacs <- inka saboot wala hisab baaki hai.

like I said, I'd really really love to believe but am choosing to err on the side of caution and not celebrate those, not just yet anyway.

baaki you're right, navy no action, army also limited arty exchange.

 

[Sharma Ji]

just so you know, I've quit JC, place is a cesspool.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Who is like teli?

@Sharma Ji

Nilgiri, I think.

 

[Vsdoc]

Oh sure, we did a full presser here with BDA sat pics clearly showing collapsed hangar domes and radar sites hit, uska no doubt.

but ye, itne saare f16s + mirages + tanker + awacs <- inka saboot wala hisab baaki hai.

like I said, I'd really really love to believe but am choosing to err on the side of caution and not celebrate those, not just yet anyway.

baaki you're right, navy no action, army also limited arty exchange.

All of that are movable assets. Consumable. Replenishable.

This is war. Industry needs to be in top gear to fight it. Look at Russia and Ukraine. At the volume and scale of damage

Our India Pak is like kiddies in a sand pit in comparison.

India Pakistan wars have rarely if ever been felt in the cities. Where people actually live.

In that sense, 2025 was many scales more demoralising for Pakistan than 1971. Which was fought largely a continent away.

 

[Vsdoc]

Nilgiri, I think.

No man.

Modi.

 

[Sharma Ji]

I can tell you what my parents told me of 1971. The fear was palpable. I was a few months old. My dad was at work. Mum was at home alone with me. Complete blackout. Windowpanes with paper/cardboard stuck on them. Air raid sirens.

Now imagine what goes theough the mind of Pakistanis when they see fire from the sky, and the final terminal scream of a missile, and then the spectacular detonation on their most guarded high value sites.

Sites which 99% of them must never have been allowed into.

And here the enemy is reaching out and touching you.

Again and again. Loud. Bright. At night.

No amount of propaganda is going to defeat the viral fear on the ground. Fear helplessness.

A d soon anger and resentment.

When their internal enemies keep hitting them.

And failed generals become Field Marshals .

I've also heard from my mum and masi, those stories of blackouts and sirens. 65 too, I think. Dilli.

 

[Sharma Ji]

No man.

Modi.

oh

of course

 

[Vsdoc]

just so you know, I've quit JC, place is a cesspool.

Very late.

After allowing them to violate you non stop.

Chtyas I wouldn't give the time of the day in the real world.

UK Pakistani and Indian alike.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Very late.

After allowing them to violate you non stop.

Chtyas I wouldn't give the time of the day in the real world.

UK Pakistani and Indian alike.

but durust

ab ek aadh ki poaching karni hai wahan se, or I might just suicide troll my way out permanently.

 

[Vsdoc]

but durust

ab ek aadh ki poaching karni hai wahan se, or I might just suicide troll my way out permanently.

This place just does not have the seed mass. Forget critical mass.

It will likely remain a closed boys club.

 

[Bagheera0084]

I can tell you what my parents told me of 1971. The fear was palpable. I was a few months old. My dad was at work. Mum was at home alone with me. Complete blackout. Windowpanes with paper/cardboard stuck on them. Air raid sirens.

Now imagine what goes theough the mind of Pakistanis when they see fire from the sky, and the final terminal scream of a missile, and then the spectacular detonation on their most guarded high value sites.

Sites which 99% of them must never have been allowed into.

And here the enemy is reaching out and touching you.

Again and again. Loud. Bright. At night.

No amount of propaganda is going to defeat the viral fear on the ground. Fear helplessness.

A d soon anger and resentment.

When their internal enemies keep hitting them.

And failed generals become Field Marshals .

I've also heard from my mum and masi, those stories of blackouts and sirens. 65 too, I think. Dilli.

WOW!!!!! This story rings a faint bell!! I too have heard this story at home but very few times - probably only once or twice.

 

[Vsdoc]

WOW!!!!! This story rings a faint bell!! I too have heard this story at home but very few times - probably only once or twice.

That was the last time Indians felt war come home.

Even this time, it was mainly Kashmir, Jammu, Punjab, with a bit of Haryana and Rajasthan (reports).

 

[Sharma Ji]

WOW!!!!! This story rings a faint bell!! I too have heard this story at home but very few times - probably only once or twice.

Pakistani jets never intruded as deep as Mysore, but.

Mysore ki bagheeran @Vsdoc @Lulldapull

 

[Sharma Ji]

That was the last time Indians felt war come home.

Even this time, it was mainly Kashmir, Jammu, Punjab, with a bit of Haryana and Rajasthan (reports).

and Dilli proper, not sure their jets ever made it even as deep as that but blackouts and sirens "parde daal do, koi maachis bhi mat jalao" full of the blackout they still used to do.

 

[Vsdoc]

and Dilli proper, not sure their jets ever made it even as deep as that but blackouts and sirens "parde daal do, koi maachis bhi mat jalao" full of the blackout they still used to do.

Not this time na?

 

[Bagheera0084]

Pakistani jets never intruded as deep as Mysore, but.

Mysore ki bagheeran @Vsdoc @Lulldapull

Uff! Itni si baat samajh mein nahi ati? I will borrow a quote related to FB to explain. People are born in some town. They grow up in some other town. They do their bachelors education in some other town. They get their first job in some other town. Etc.

BTW, Lulldapull kuchh bhi bakta hai. Tu sach maan leta hai.

 

[Vsdoc]

Not this time na?

Chandigarh waa on full blackout.

Sardar massive sade hue hain bc ki Golden Temple pe missile daag diya.

Usual ISI Khali afwaahs also ki Modi dunnit.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Not this time na?

ab ni hota uss type ka, I don't think. Bombing runs on cities' civvie areas as a war doctrine is dead.

damn near impossible too, to get anywhere near the capital anyway with all that AD, maybe only the US with their F-22/35 and B-21 raiders, maybe could pull something like that off.. maybe.

seat of government hai, max A/D BMD etc sab Modi etc ki gaand bachane me lage huwe hai.. this includes the opposition.

 

[Vsdoc]

I don't think. Bombing runs on cities' civvie areas as a war doctrine is dead.

Oh accha.

Russkies ko memo nahin mila.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Chandigarh waa on full blackout.

Sardar massive sade hue hain bc ki Golden Temple pe missile daag diya.

Usual ISI Khali afwaahs also ki Modi dunnit.

Chandi blackout ?? really ? Amritsar is a literal stone's throw from Pak.. Chandi toh kaafi andar hai, no ?

 

[Vsdoc]

Chandi blackout ?? really ? Amritsar is a literal stone's throw from Pak.. Chandi toh kaafi andar hai, no ?

Pretty close.

Amritsar Ambala eyc of course.

 

[Vsdoc]

246 km from Lahore.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Oh accha.

Russkies ko memo nahin mila.

unka alag scene hai Ukies ke saath.

kal ko Poland/nato pe kabhi bumb barsayenge, to they'll be careful.

warna Dresden, Tokyo is mostly history

but koi bharosa nahi hai humans ka, futt se junglion ki tareh wars can make a comeback too.

Pretty close.

Amritsar Ambala eyc of course.

They didn't so much as manage to put a little scratch on AFS Ambala.

PAF no long legs, jabki karna hota, then they could maybe have made an attempt even with their single engine fighters (which is all they have)

chakravyuh me fuss jaate

 

[Vsdoc]

unka alag scene hai Ukies ke saath.

kal ko Poland/nato pe kabhi bumb barsayenge, to they'll be careful.

warna Dresden, Tokyo is mostly history

but koi bharosa nahi hai humans ka, futt se junglion ki tareh wars can make a comeback too.


They didn't so much as manage to put a little scratch on AFS Ambala.

PAF no long legs, jabki karna hota, then they could maybe have made an attempt even with their single engine fighters (which is all they have)

chakravyuh me fuss jaate

Im telling you what my friends told me.

Old sardars in border villages damn activated.

Cleaning guns eyc.

 

[Lulldapull]

Oh sure, we did a full presser here with BDA sat pics clearly showing collapsed hangar domes and radar sites hit, uska no doubt.

but ye, itne saare f16s + mirages + tanker + awacs <- inka saboot wala hisab baaki hai.

like I said, I'd really really love to believe but am choosing to err on the side of caution and not celebrate those, not just yet anyway.

baaki you're right, navy no action, army also limited arty exchange.

ISR Satellite pics lee hain bhai.

Zahir see baat hae.

Andha dhund to claim ne kar ray?

And when you see massive blasts with huge fireballs…..you know damage huwa hae and all you need to know is how those 9 madarsay were demolished with accuracy. You’ve seen vids of the destruction no?

Now, in those hangars there were aircraft and jet fuel and ordnance and what not.

Samajh aata hae na aap ko the possible scale of destruction?

 

[Lulldapull]

Pakistani jets never intruded as deep as Mysore, but.

Mysore ki bagheeran @Vsdoc @Lulldapull

Begum Bagheerra........

Aaaaaahahahahahaaaaaa........

 

[Lulldapull]

Sub say zyada chirr mujhay pakistani taxi drivaron say hoti hae, who just blatantly lie online and our low grade/ low IQ migrants overseas who go into denial about reality.

1. Oh twaadday pyon nu main pharr k maaraan ga bewquffan, evidently, you won't and can't fight India with a $6 billion dolla budget you cucks! India's budget is $60 billion!

2. Satellite evidence ko aap jhuttla ne saktay. Yous gotten hit very badly and accurately. We couldn't for da life of us even down a single Brahmos or Scalp nor Rampage. No evidence.

3. Twaadda praan Chainda exposed as a fukking toy maker no?....aap dhoonddo ab nava supplyerr. Can't even put 2 n 2 together, ahmaq awaam. Trump sahb say baat karo ab, before da next disaster unfolds on us.

4. Ye jo aap aik saal say Iran per bukvaas kartay thay, the Iranis rained down hundreds of mayzile on Israel, from fukking1200km's away! Hazaron logon nay vidz banaey hain of missiles rainin down on Israeli bases, but you instead chose to believe CNN/ BBC propaganda? Twaadda pyo vi kabhi ne karsakta what Iran pulled, not once, but twice! from so faraway.

5. Stop lying about the hands down humiliation and move on! And go check da global IQ list recently issued. So tired of nonsense from low grade Pakistani taxi drivers.

 

[Lulldapull]

Ae lo G......Failed Marshal Whiskey sahb/ Hafiz ul Quraan da istaqbalia wid new milli naghma:

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Saara watan jaag utthya hae ga, India ohhhaaay!!! taanu ne chhadyaan gay ab.......tussi jang day liye ab tyaar ho jao......boht khatarnaak attack karnay waalay hain hum ab.

 

[Lulldapull]

Bewquff khoti awaam slowly coming to grips with da truth no.

Ne mainay aik hor J-10C vs Rafale meme banani hae, cuz my taxi drayvurr buddy has made 7 of them. Ne buss aik hor bukvaas meme I wanna do:

 

[Lulldapull]

Indians are colored peepal and lower caste beings. This fawkin gypsy king refuses to acknowledge k Islam k peechhay US/ Israel betthay hain.......

Chutiya gypsy log here or there don't wanna acknowledge it....koi baat nahi bhai.....hendu-pak k cabby hain no?

Zindagi main aesa bhee hota hae no?

India performed against a hollowed out termite infested bankrupt 'power' like Pakistan?......whooppitty do no?

US aur Israel k khilaaf kar k dikhao daliton!.......Twaadday pyo ich dum nahi hae ga......you guys da same as Chaindda chickunn phattu/ guppu log no?......do minatt main undermined no?

Ab Chaindda vi dalit nikla!.....lol

Aaaaaahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa.......

Look at your gypsy king here playing bukvaas mujhikk.....lol

 

[Krishna with Flute]

Tom Cooper said that it was unprofessional on part of Pakistani army to put all nuclear weapons at one place which ultimately they couldn't protect. Now, Pakistan is such a nuclear power that it has Nukes but they can not deploy them. They can not reach to their Nuke weapons storage.

 

[Lulldapull]

Phateechar china weapons say dill hutt gya bhai. Chainda say na-murad ho gaey hain hum ab.

Ab Al-Turkiya ka darwaza khurrka rahay hain. Problem is Al-Turkiya k hathyaar to China say bhee aik level neechhay hain.

Aaaaaaahahahahaaaaa........

600 Al-Turkiya key drones/ L/M's India nay maar giraye.

Who da fuqq will trust anything Al-Turkiyan?

Meray kyaal say bhai ab to aur koi supplier bhee nahee hae no?

 

[Vsdoc]

Sub say zyada chirr mujhay pakistani taxi drivaron say hoti hae, who just blatantly lie online and our low grade/ low IQ migrants overseas who go into denial about reality.

1. Oh twaadday pyon nu main pharr k maaraan ga bewquffan, evidently, you won't and can't fight India with a $6 billion dolla budget you cucks! India's budget is $60 billion!

2. Satellite evidence ko aap jhuttla ne saktay. Yous gotten hit very badly and accurately. We couldn't for da life of us even down a single Brahmos or Scalp nor Rampage. No evidence.

3. Twaadda praan Chainda exposed as a fukking toy maker no?....aap dhoonddo ab nava supplyerr. Can't even put 2 n 2 together, ahmaq awaam. Trump sahb say baat karo ab, before da next disaster unfolds on us.

4. Ye jo aap aik saal say Iran per bukvaas kartay thay, the Iranis rained down hundreds of mayzile on Israel, from fukking1200km's away! Hazaron logon nay vidz banaey hain of missiles rainin down on Israeli bases, but you instead chose to believe CNN/ BBC propaganda? Twaadda pyo vi kabhi ne karsakta what Iran pulled, not once, but twice! from so faraway.

5. Stop lying about the hands down humiliation and move on! And go check da global IQ list recently issued. So tired of nonsense from low grade Pakistani taxi drivers.

The videos from Nevatim base were a game changer.

Much like our (actually your) Nur Khan video was.

The west had to sit up and take notice.

In both cases it forced Trump to scramble.

 

[Vsdoc]

Indians are colored peepal and lower caste beings. This fawkin gypsy king refuses to acknowledge k Islam k peechhay US/ Israel betthay hain.......

Chutiya gypsy log here or there don't wanna acknowledge it....koi baat nahi bhai.....hendu-pak k cabby hain no?

Zindagi main aesa bhee hota hae no?

India performed against a hollowed out termite infested bankrupt 'power' like Pakistan?......whooppitty do no?

US aur Israel k khilaaf kar k dikhao daliton!.......Twaadday pyo ich dum nahi hae ga......you guys da same as Chaindda chickunn phattu/ guppu log no?......do minatt main undermined no?

Ab Chaindda vi dalit nikla!.....lol

Aaaaaahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa.......

Look at your gypsy king here playing bukvaas mujhikk.....lol

Squint your eyes and look at him.

Cant you imagine him as an aborigine in the Australian outback?

Try kar ...

 

[Lulldapull]

Squint your eyes and look at him.

Cant you imagine him as an aborigine in the Australian outback?

Try kar ...

I just shiit myself when sanghis refuse to accept k bhai ye jo saari dunya main dehshatgardi hae iss k peechhay humreeka hae!

Mager nahi bhai.......

They won't accept it doc, aap kuchh bhee kar lo.

 

[Vsdoc]

I just shiit myself when sanghis refuse to accept k bhai ye jo saari dunya main dehshatgardi hae iss k peechhay humreeka hae!

Mager nahi bhai.......

They won't accept it doc, aap kuchh bhee kar lo.

Chavda da aadi manoos is firm proponent that Zoroastrianism is offshoot of Hinduism and that Iranis come from Indians.

 

[Lulldapull]

The videos from Nevatim base were a game changer.

Much like our (actually your) Nur Khan video was.

The west had to sit up and take notice.

In both cases it forced Trump to scramble.

Many vidz on the Rahim yaar airport doc......udher I believe 3 Rampage with bunker buster warheads were used (like they fukkin nose dived on the same spot on the runway in quick succession) and that runway is so heavily cratered that the base is not operable.

Extreme damage to runway.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Squint your eyes and look at him.

Cant you imagine him as an aborigine in the Australian outback?

Try kar ...

isn't he a mona surd ?

unki aakhein khich jaati hai, generations of this, and now bacchey bhi waisey hi paida hote hain.. with khichi hui aankhein -_-

 

[Vsdoc]

Many vidz on the Rahim yaar airport doc......udher I believe 3 Rampage with bunker buster warheads were used (like they fukkin nose dived on the same spot on the runway in quick succession) and that runway is so heavily cratered that the base is not operable.

Extreme damage to runway.

Ya I know there are many videos.

But the pyjama awaam honda cd70 video of the first hit

And the Paijan nur khan base pr attack hua hai videos are cross generation iconic.

Archive material.

@Mainerik kyun, majja aaya?

 

[Vsdoc]

Clear video of Pakistani AD system housed on the roof of a residential civilian bungalow.

Then when India hits it, and civilians die (there are kids playing around unaware, pendu uncles on the lawn) Pakistan will cry.

@Mainerik @Lulldapull @PakistanProud @TheNewb77 @Sharma Ji @Bagheera0084 @Krishna with Flute

 

[Vsdoc]

isn't he a mona surd ?

unki aakhein khich jaati hai, generations of this, and now bacchey bhi waisey hi paida hote hain.. with khichi hui aankhein -_-

Gujarati cche. Chavda clan. Rajput?

Probably from Kathiawar region abutting Rajasthan.

@Krishna with Flute @Guru Dutt @Bagheera0084

 

[Krishna with Flute]

Tom Cooper says that none of the PL 15 fired could hit any Time Indian plane.

 

[Lulldapull]

Clear video of Pakistani AD system housed on the roof of a residential civilian bungalow.

Then when India hits it, and civilians die (there are kids playing around unaware, pendu uncles on the lawn) Pakistan will cry.

@Mainerik @Lulldapull @PakistanProud @TheNewb77 @Sharma Ji @Bagheera0084 @Krishna with Flute

Looks like some IR device to see the drones it night.