[🇮🇳] No surprise Pakistan sounded for ceasefire’: Air war historian Tom Cooper says conflict 'clear-cut victory' for India

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[🇮🇳] No surprise Pakistan sounded for ceasefire’: Air war historian Tom Cooper says conflict 'clear-cut victory' for India
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I don't doubt Cooper's assessment at all. His evidence is that India's managed to accurately put a lot of precision ordnance on target, as opposed to Pakistan.

It was almost becoming the case that India had us pinned down. Indian AD was also exposed as layered, dense and highly integrated. This was a nasty surprise for Pakistan and Pakistan as per many accounts launched the Chinese made Nasr/ Fattah artillery rockets at multiple Indian AF bases but from the evidence, they were easily intercepted because of predictable hyperbolic trajectories.

We were just not prepared for this war and Indian missiles/ drones/ AD had rendered our defenses inadequate. We were starting to take severe losses and a ceasefire was thankfully enforced, before Pakistan military's failure was fully exposed.

Nothing outrageous this Tom Cooper's claimed.
 
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I don't doubt Cooper's assessment at all. His evidence is that India's managed to accurately put a lot of precision ordnance on target, as opposed to Pakistan.

It was almost becoming the case that India had us pinned down.

We were just not prepared for this war and Indian missiles/ drones/ AD had rendered our defenses inadequate. We were starting to take severe losses and a ceasefire was thankfully enforced, before Pakistan military's failure was fully exposed.

Nothing outrageous this Tom Cooper's claimed.
who ?

vid to dikhao
 
Iranian asymmetric doctrine samajh aata hae ab desi logon ko?

This is why Iran don't buy these $30 million each jets which are basically junk now in modern warfare.

lotsa chatter about scalp missile going fuss

na yeh durandal runway denial bombs hain

ki hain ?

koi proper positive confirmation waaloi khabr ni mil ree

Scalp/ Storm Shadows are the star performers in Ukraine bhai. Expensive, but highly effective.
 
Iranian asymmetric doctrine samajh aata hae ab desi logon ko?

This is why Iran don't buy these $30 million each jets which are basically junk now in modern warfare.


Scalp/ Storm Shadows are the star performers in Ukraine bhai. Expensive, but highly effective.
There's saturation attacks, effective, but its not like a golden chaabi that you don't need vs more sophisticated defences
 
There's saturation attacks, effective, but its not like a golden chaabi that you don't need vs more sophisticated defences
What Iran did to Israel is basically what India's done to Pakistan.

Overwhelmed the enemy defenses and saturation volley attacks using multiple stand-off ALCM's and ground launched Brahmos strikes to completely render our HQ-9/ 16's ineffective. And chipped away at our defenses with Harops.

This is what Pakistan couldn't counter.
 
What Iran did to Israel is basically what India's done to Pakistan.

Overwhelmed the enemy defenses and saturation volley attacks using multiple stand-off ALCM's and ground launched Brahmos strikes to completely render our HQ-9/ 16's ineffective. And chipped away at our defenses with Harops.

This is what Pakistan couldn't counter.
Ya, brahmos worked, by most accounts.. believable too. Air launched version or TEL wala ?

I think they were testing the ALCM version some years ago.

baaki, its still mostly claims and counter claims, I'll stay in my skeptic safe space
 
Ya, brahmos worked, by most accounts.. believable too. Air launched version or TEL wala ?

I think they were testing the ALCM version some years ago.

baaki, its still mostly claims and counter claims, I'll stay in my skeptic safe space
Sharma yous discounting the Scalp/ Storm Shadow bhai? aap ko kya ho gya hae?

That fukking weapon is the star performer in Ukraine jang no?

Its the only thing that scares Imam putin:



Dis da best cruise missile on da planet right now, without a doubt!
 
Iranian asymmetric doctrine samajh aata hae ab desi logon ko?

This is why Iran don't buy these $30 million each jets which are basically junk now in modern warfare.

A state of art plane it n making. Its quality is something best of European, American and Russian quality put together in one at a price of Chinese fighter. MWF. Top class maneuver, top of the line radar and EW and world beating weapons.
 
Iranian asymmetric doctrine samajh aata hae ab desi logon ko?

This is why Iran don't buy these $30 million each jets which are basically junk now in modern warfare.

A state of art plane it n making. Its quality is something best of European, American and Russian quality put together in one at a price of Chinese fighter. MWF. Top class maneuver, top of the line radar and EW and world beating weapons
 
A state of art plane it n making. Its quality is something best of European, American and Russian quality put together in one at a price of Chinese fighter. MWF. Top class maneuver, top of the line radar and EW and world beating weapons
Krishna yaar you don't need dat fancy AL-Rafale or Su-30MKI to launch these fire n forget Scalps or Brahmos anymore!

They can be ground launched much cheaper bhai.......just like in Ukraine no? or what the Iranis do on da cheap.

You fly dat chutiya rafale or Sukhoi, the enemy is alerted already!

Koi zroorat nahi hae for a stand off launch platform that you have to spend tens of millions to maintain.

Manned aviation on seriously borrowed time.
 
Krishna yaar you don't need dat fancy AL-Rafale or Su-30MKI to launch these fire n forget Scalps or Brahmos anymore!

They can be ground launched much cheaper bhai.......just like in Ukraine no? or what the Iranis do on da cheap.

You fly dat chutiya rafale or Sukhoi, the enemy is alerted already!

Koi zroorat nahi hae for a stand off launch platform that you have to spend tens of millions to maintain.

Manned aviation on seriously borrowed time.

Like what your retired air Marshal had said, India launches them from air to provide lesser reaction time to Pakistan. My Guess.
 
Like what your retired air Marshal had said, India launches them from air to provide lesser reaction time to Pakistan. My Guess.
once a beast flies its like announcing the missiles arrival......

Much more stealthy to launch brahmos/ drone from hidden launcher/ truck near border.

Iranis have mastered this art bhai......

Ager US Israel key help na karay to Iran rond k rakh day Israel ko, despite their trillion dollar AD.
 
98% of the attacks originated from Pakistani soil were shot down achieved the highest precision of air defense to date by anu country surpassing Israel. Chinese AD was blinded by Rafale EW and Su 30 MKI external EW Pod. All Chinese radars were blinded and them 23 missiles were fired on 9 terrorist locations totally destroying all terrorist camps totally with pin point accuracy of 1 m.
 
once a beast flies its like announcing the missiles arrival......

Much more stealthy to launch brahmos/ drone from hidden launcher/ truck near border.

Iranis have mastered this art bhai......

Ager US Israel key help na karay to Iran rond k rakh day Israel ko, despite their trillion dollar AD.
that economics aspect is hard baked into it, yes

enemy can launch projectiles and try swarm your defences and make you expend expensive and not easily replenish-able AD rockets but its still essential to have some cover.

what do you keep saying, bhai ?

these are a must until they come up with a death star laser canon or something that can zap stuff out of the air.
 
that economics aspect is hard baked into it, yes

enemy can launch projectiles and try swarm your defences and make you expend expensive and not easily replenish-able AD rockets but its still essential to have some cover.

what do you keep saying, bhai ?

these are a must until they come up with a death star laser canon or something that can zap stuff out of the air.
Iranis already flying the Karar AD drone bhai. It flies at 500 knts just about any jet around today and carries two sidewinders or a couple of Igla’s.

They’ve actually used it on US aircraft to warm them away.

Everything runs on AI bhai…..minimal pilot/ controller input.

A truly pioneering machine
 
Iranis already flying the Karar AD drone bhai. It flies at 500 knts just about any jet around today and carries two sidewinders or a couple of Igla’s.

They’ve actually used it on US aircraft to warm them away.

Everything runs on AI bhai…..minimal pilot/ controller input.

A truly pioneering machine

Iran is good in engineering. However, Israel has given them many shocks. In Nuke energy, defense and AI based operations. Israel is ahead of Iran. We are in a different league, very difficult to compare with any other nation. We are fundamentally different.
 
Iranis already flying the Karar AD drone bhai. It flies at 500 knts just about any jet around today and carries two sidewinders or a couple of Igla’s.

They’ve actually used it on US aircraft to warm them away.

Everything runs on AI bhai…..minimal pilot/ controller input.

A truly pioneering machine
Yes, these are being integrated gradually, but we still cant dump the fighter just yet !
 

Mission completed in 23 minutes: IAF bypassed, jammed Pakistan’s Chinese air defence systems — new details of Op Sindoor​

During Operation Sindoor, the IAF successfully targeted Pakistani air defence systems in a swift 23-minute mission on 8 May.​

Sayantani Biswas
Updated15 May 2025, 07:55 AM IST


Mig-29K fighters were deployed under Operation Sindoor.
Mig-29K fighters were deployed under Operation Sindoor. (SpokespersonNavy-X )
In a striking demonstration of technological prowess and operational precision, the Indian Air Force (IAF) successfully bypassed and jammed Pakistan’s Chinese-supplied air defence systems during Operation Sindoor, completing the mission in just 23 minutes, according to the official documents.
The operation, conducted on the morning of 8 May 2025, targeted critical Pakistani air defence radars and military installations, including a key facility near Lahore. All Indian assets returned safely, underscoring the mission’s flawless execution, said the official statement.
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Operation Sindoor

The PIB document mentioned that Operation Sindoor, launched as a calibrated military response to escalating asymmetric warfare and cross-border terror attacks, marked a significant milestone in India’s defence capabilities.
The operation was triggered after Pakistan’s coordinated drone and missile strikes on multiple Indian cities, including Srinagar, Jammu, Amritsar, and Bhuj, on the intervening night of 7 and 8 May.

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India’s Integrated Counter Unmanned Aerial Systems (UAS) Grid and layered air defence systems successfully intercepted these threats, employing radars, missile batteries, and electronic countermeasures.
India's offensive strikes targeted key Pakistani airbases- Noor Khan and Rahimyar Khan with surgical precision. Loitering munitions were used to devastating effect, the release read.
In retaliation, the IAF struck Pakistan’s air defence infrastructure with surgical precision, neutralising several Chinese-built HQ-9 and HQ-16 surface-to-air missiles.
Also Read | CDS Anil Chauhan, tri-services chiefs brief Prez Murmu on Operation Sindoor
The Indian forces used a combination of indigenous technologies such as the Akash missile system, Barak-8, and the Russian-made S-400 (Sudarshan Chakra), alongside electronic warfare tactics to jam and bypass enemy radars.
India has emerged as a major defence manufacturing hub, driven by the "Make in India" initiative and a strong push for self-reliance. In FY 2023-24, indigenous defence production reached a record ₹1.27 lakh crore, while exports soared to ₹23,622 crore in FY 2024-25, a 34-fold increase from 2013-14.

To Read More on the Indian Defence System Used in Operation Sindoor

Technological edge and strategic significance​

Operation Sindoor showcased India’s growing self-reliance in defence technology, particularly in electronic warfare and drone combat.
The IAF’s Integrated Air Command and Control System (IACCS) played a pivotal role in coordinating the strikes, while loitering munitions and drone warfare were effectively deployed to dismantle Pakistan’s air defence network.


 
12 - 16 kilometers range it says

jets can deliver stand off weapons from much further away

this is the 'hail mary' defence play, before they go to AAA guns.. those are also automated, Phalanx type cannons
Bhai that’s the range of its air to air missiles. It can fly a radius of 500 miles on AD missions.

You won’t need manned aviation in a decade when countries already on this track.
 
Bhai that’s the range of its air to air missiles. It can fly a radius of 500 miles on AD missions.

You won’t need manned aviation in a decade when countries already on this track.
haan, but abhi minimum decade type to they not going anywhere.. longer probably, would be my guess.

if a manned platform is better, more capable.. they'll stick to it.. human life ki itni bhi kadr ni hai kisi ko

shot down and killed ka risk increase ho jayega, but people will still be throwing men in those machines... men ki kami nahi hai.. us time pe ja ke, pilot ki aukaat bhi infantryman waali ho jayegi.. ki kabhi bhi mar skte ho bc :LOL:
 
Most Pakistanis are quiet now after the scale and seriousness of the Indian attack is coming to light and the ISPR is struggling to control their narrative.

Had this war continued for a few more days, India would have intensified Scalp and Brahmos strikes and caused a lot more damage.

And the IN chief has quipped that the IN parked 285 kms south of Karachi was poised to launch dozens of sea brahmos in a concentrated salvo at the port in Kemari and possibly also target Gwader and Ormara naval stations.

PN is no match for IN and it would've been a disaster.

Thankfully nothing happened.
 
Most Pakistanis are quiet now after the scale and seriousness of the Indian attack is coming to light and the ISPR is struggling to control their narrative.

Had this war continued for a few more days, India would have intensified Scalp and Brahmos strikes and caused a lot more damage.

And the IN chief has quipped that the IN parked 285 kms south of Karachi was poised to launch dozens of sea brahmos in a concentrated salvo at the port in Kemari and possibly also target Gwader and Ormara naval stations.

PN is no match for IN and it would've been a disaster.

Thankfully nothing happened.
What actually hapenned to PAF and its main air basess and missile depot's and other very important "storage facilities" will take at least a month if not more for PAF & Your sequirty establishemnt or they will take that time to disclose the ammount of damage they have taken since almost all of the prime targets were taken out clinically in just one night and they were painted for last so many years and intellegence for the was gatherred over the years with help of assets on the ground in Air and in the Space and by those who actually desigened and build it .... thats why indian missile strikes were so accurate and decisive but all ISPR with its liffaffa media & its HUB BUL WATTN Social media Bott army was mock some kind of fictitious claims bout aprihending a female pilot of IAF and shooting down X number of IAF jets and destroying some imaginarry IAF airbase ;) :P
 
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What actually hapenned to PAF and its main air basess and missile depot's and other very important "storage facilities" will take at least a month if not more for PAF & Your sequirty establishemnt or they will take that time to disclose the ammount of damage they have taken since almost all of the prime targets were taken out clinically in just one night and they were painted for last so many years and intellegence for the was gatherred over the years with help of assets on the ground in Air and in the Space and by those who actually desigened and build it .... thats why indian missile strikes were so accurate and decisive but all ISPR with its liffaffa media & its HUB BUL WATTN Social media Bott army was mock some kind of fictitious claims bout aprihending a female pilot of IAF and shooting down X number of IAF jets and destroying some imaginarry IAF airbase ;) :P
There's a lot of propaganda going around, plenty of gora/western/russian "experts" on YT pushing Rafales downed wali story.

and ye sub shor sharaba toh chalega, fine.. but uss side se J17 ya 10 downed waali pics nahi hai..

are we losing the prachar yudh/propaganda war, Guru sir ?
 
What actually hapenned to PAF and its main air basess and missile depot's and other very important "storage facilities" will take at least a month if not more for PAF & Your sequirty establishemnt or they will take that time to disclose the ammount of damage they have taken since almost all of the prime targets were taken out clinically in just one night and they were painted for last so many years and intellegence for the was gatherred over the years with help of assets on the ground in Air and in the Space and by those who actually desigened and build it .... thats why indian missile strikes were so accurate and decisive but all ISPR with its liffaffa media & its HUB BUL WATTN Social media Bott army was mock some kind of fictitious claims bout aprihending a female pilot of IAF and shooting down X number of IAF jets and destroying some imaginarry IAF airbase ;) :P
Its a terrible situation for our military now and a real humiliation.

This has never happened before which is basically a complete rout!

One thing is for sure now that Pakistan will go for the asymmetric route and a lot of our legacy weapons will be going to the scrap heap. The PAF will quite possibly get defunded and a new search for improved AD, Ballistic/ Hypersonic missiles and drones will take precedence.

Evidently both the PAF and our AD failed miserably.

The scalp/ storm shadow flies in at 500 knts at tree top height and the Brahmos does Mach-3 at 10m to 20m (selected by operator).

Both are near impossible to detect, let alone shoot down.

The Maxar footage of damage inflicted on Pak bases is easily available from OSINT sources is quite compelling leading to many now coming around to accepting the reality with no counter footage/ satellite pics of damage to Indian bases targeted by Pakistan.

I wonder how our DG ISPR can sit on these media conferences with a straight face.

Yeah, we did take a beating this time around.......no shame in admitting it.
 
Its a terrible situation for our military now and a real humiliation.

This has never happened before which is basically a complete rout!

One thing is for sure now that Pakistan will go for the asymmetric route and a lot of our legacy weapons will be going to the scrap heap. The PAF will quite possibly get defunded and a new search for improved AD, Ballistic/ Hypersonic missiles and drones will take precedence.

Evidently both the PAF and our AD failed miserably.

The scalp/ storm shadow flies in at 500 knts at tree top height and the Brahmos does Mach-3 at 10m to 20m (selected by operator).

Both are near impossible to detect, let alone shoot down.

The Maxar footage of damage inflicted on Pak bases is easily available from OSINT sources is quite compelling leading to many now coming around to accepting the reality with no counter footage/ satellite pics of damage to Indian bases targeted by Pakistan.

I wonder how our DG ISPR can sit on these media conferences with a straight face.

Yeah, we did take a beating this time around.......no shame in admitting it.
but did they score a Rafale kill ?
 
Krishna yaar you don't need dat fancy AL-Rafale or Su-30MKI to launch these fire n forget Scalps or Brahmos anymore!

They can be ground launched much cheaper bhai.......just like in Ukraine no? or what the Iranis do on da cheap.

You fly dat chutiya rafale or Sukhoi, the enemy is alerted already!

Koi zroorat nahi hae for a stand off launch platform that you have to spend tens of millions to maintain.

Manned aviation on seriously borrowed time.

Our air chief has said that MWF will be equivalent to Rafale. In some aspects batter, in some aspects little less. Such a mind boggling capacities creation and that to Desi is a big big power. Very advance EW, great radar and world's best weapon package is very exciting. GAN based radar, Spectra like EW, python V, ASRAAM, Astra MK1, MK2, MK3, Rudram 1,2,3, Brahmos NG, SAAW, Gautham, sudarshan. Bloody what else you need? All with AI, network centric warfare capacities, swarm drone. I am so much excited. What we saw in small 4 days conflict can be replicated in more efficient way at a cost of Chinese price. Chinese S**t weapons sale will finish.
 
How Akash intercepted Pakistan's Hypersonic Fatah 2? Explained. Pakistani ex military guy explains how Pakistani AWA&C was hit.


AL-Fattah Lumbherr TThoo is just a rebranded Chinese A200 system.

Predictable hyperbolic trajectory bhai.......eeeeejhy to intercept by a capable system like S400 or Pac-3 designed to defeat BM threats.

Pakistan gotta approach da Iraandis now Krishna for shiit dat actually penetrates and hits home......

Ye China chickunn do numbri hathyaar ab nahi chalain gay bhai, main bol bol k murr gya hoon aur Sharma/ Doc/ Guru Dutt ko kuchh samajh nahi aata......and I've given up now!

@Sharma Ji @Vsdoc @Guru Dutt

Iran vesay hamain kuchh day ga nahi cuz wes under US/ CIA administration in collusion with China as part of an arrangement. And I personally believe Iran is closer to da Indians vs us.
 
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We haven't suffered life threatening or nation ending strikes/ events yet guys. We are still ok and the damages will be recovered over the months......

Just a new paradigm wes faced with now.

Pakistan is a very tough tribal Punjabi/ Sindhi/ Pashto country and very hard to bring down, even for India, let alone rule over.

I admit wes takin a licking.......but wes also learnin from it.
 
AL-Fattah Lumbherr TThoo is just a rebranded Chinese A200 system.

Predictable hyperbolic trajectory bhai.......eeeeejhy to intercept by a capable system like S400 or Pac-3 designed to defeat BM threats.

Pakistan gotta approach da Iraandis now Krishna for shiit dat actually penetrates and hits home......

Ye China chickunn do numbri hathyaar ab nahi chalain gay bhai, main bol bol k murr gya hoon aur Sharma/ Doc/ Guru Dutt ko kuchh samajh nahi aata......and I've given up now!

@Sharma Ji @Vsdoc @Guru Dutt

Iran vesay hamain kuchh day ga nahi cuz wes under US/ CIA administration in collusion with China as part of an arrangement. And I personally believe Iran is closer to da Indians vs us.

That is true but you should something in missing part. Al Turkeye's drones were humiliated equally. So called effective drones of Russia Ukraine war were shot down like seating duck. None of the drone of Khalifa erdogan could hit even a single target in India. Pakistan is also considering Kaan fighter of Al Turkeye. That too will meet the same fate.
 
That is true but you should something in missing part. Al Turkeye's drones were humiliated equally. So called effective drones of Russia Ukraine war were shot down like seating duck. None of the drone of Khalifa erdogan could hit even a single target in India. Pakistan is also considering Kaan fighter of Al Turkeye. That too will meet the same fate.
Bhai Al-Turkiya to apnay peron per bhee nahi kharra ho sakta.

Iranis and rhusshian keeping it alive just like how iran trades with UAE or Qatar instead of fukking them up with the press of a few buttons.

@Sharma Ji knows it’s all bijniss vurna Irani in sub camel jaakiyon key do mintt main gaand maar dain.

It’s a tenuous arrangement with the US to not disturb the Zio order and initiate uncontrolled warfare.

Ye sub saalay arbi turkiyandz bhungi hain iraand k saamnay, just dat iraand is civil outfit and refuses to take da bait.
 
Bhai Al-Turkiya to apnay peron per bhee nahi kharra ho sakta.

Iranis and rhusshian keeping it alive just like how iran trades with UAE or Qatar instead of fukking them up with the press of a few buttons.

@Sharma Ji knows it’s all bijniss vurna Irani in sub camel jaakiyon key do mintt main gaand maar dain.

It’s a tenuous arrangement with the US to not disturb the Zio order and initiate uncontrolled warfare.

Ye sub saalay arbi turkiyandz bhungi hain iraand k saamnay, just dat iraand is civil outfit and refuses to take da bait.
Turks are not as jahil as the gulfiyas but they done bad meddling in Sooriya.

Trump pta nahi kya game khel raha hai in jihadio k saath but uski calculus Iran k khilaf hai, he empowering the sunnis and their allies vs Iran's shi'ite crescent.. jew sa + gulfies + whatevr rag tag assortment of regional pappus, all led by the US to take on Iran.. that's the strategic table he's setting.. turn and torque the screws on Iraand.
 

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