[🇮🇳] No surprise Pakistan sounded for ceasefire’: Air war historian Tom Cooper says conflict 'clear-cut victory' for India

[Jiangnan]

junk indian and indian junk.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

details batao, share a link

Sorry.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

India is going to test hypersonic Brahmos for scremjet operation for over 1000 seconds. Pure hooliganism in Indian Ocean.
4 ft Chinese, salute your dady if you want to pass through mallacca straits. You will face Mach 7 speed speed 2000 k.m. range Brahmos II stationed at Andaman and Nicobar otherwise.

 

[Jiangnan]

2 feet low Indian. Look up. Your Chinese dad is flying over New Delhi.

The Strait of Malacca is very far from your Chinese dad. But New Delhi is very close to your Chinese dad.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

It just took less than half of an hour to burst the propaganda of Chinese weapons and Air defence systems on 6 th May night when all 23 missile fired hit the target with pin point accuracy. Chinese junk weapons could not intercept even a single missile. When India hit their AD , the couldn't save themselves. Post 7 th May, India India enjoyed complete air dominance and called supression of enemy air defence. None of Chinese junk plane could airborne.

 

[Mainerik]

China, most likely.. with an eye on us too.

Damning, but.. I thought only skorti treaty waaley partner nations me they store these. Turkey's Incirlik has long been known/suspected of being a storage site.. obvs for Russia and Middle East/Iran.

There are no American nukes in Pakistan.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Indian musalman and Israeli girl discuss recent Ind/Pak events.



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[Vsdoc]

Indian musalman and Israeli girl discuss recent Ind/Pak events.



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At 4:13 she reveals he is an ex Muslim.

Disappointed.

 

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How Op Sindoor exposed Pakistan air defence, Chinese armaments​

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India's decisive strategic and operational triumph in Operation Sindoor has laid bare critical weaknesses in Pakistan's military, which is heavily reliant on Chinese-supplied technology. A month after the conflict, which ended with Pakistan seeking a ceasefire within four days, a critical review of the operation has highlighted the inadequacy of Pakistan's air defence systems, particularly the Chinese-made HQ-9 and HQ-16, against India's advanced missile technology and electronic warfare capabilities.

Military observers claim Pakistan's $3 million-per-unit HQ-9 surface-to-air missile system, touted as a cornerstone of its air defence, failed miserably to detect or intercept India's BrahMos and SCALP missiles.

Chinese defence analysts and social media lambasted Pakistani personnel as "mute spectators", pointing to operational inefficiencies and lack of skill as key contributors to the debacle.


Analysis also established that Indian forces, leveraging superior missile technology, satellite intelligence and electronic warfare, penetrated Pakistan's defences with ease, targeting key military installations. Indian loitering munitions humiliated Pakistan's air defence network by destroying several HQ-9 batteries, exacerbating losses of fighter jets, surveillance aircraft, drones and radar sites

On May 15, Air Vice Marshal Aurangzeb Ahmed of the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) admitted that the BrahMos missile's unpredictable trajectory rendered it nearly impossible to intercept, a statement echoed by Chinese Communist Party outlets. The HQ-9's failure stemmed from technical limitations, poor integration into Pakistan's defence network and inadequate operator training.

Chinese analysts have criticised Pakistan's deployment of the HQ-9 air defence system, citing inadequate training, poor network integration, and lack of real-time coordination as key factors in its failure. The HQ-9's design, influenced by older Russian systems like the S-300, has raised concerns about its reliability against modern, high-speed missiles.



Despite upgrades, the system underperformed against Indian missile technology, sparking doubts about Chinese defence exports' credibility and the HQ-9's effectiveness in high-intensity conflicts.

This critique highlights the challenges of deploying advanced defence systems, particularly when training and integration are inadequate. The HQ-9's performance has implications for China's defence export reputation and the system's viability in modern warfare scenarios.

The HQ-9B, with a reduced engagement range of 250-300 km, and the truck-mounted HQ-16, with limited mobility, proved ill-equipped to counter supersonic, low-flying missiles like the BrahMos. These shortcomings echo past failures, including India's unopposed 2019 Balakot airstrike and a 2022 incident where a BrahMos missile, accidentally fired by India, penetrated deep into Pakistani territory undetected.



Operation Sindoor also saw India's air defence systems and electronic warfare capabilities neutralise Pakistan's drone fleet, crippling its offensive and surveillance operations. In response, Pakistan is planning to bolster its drone arsenal with Chinese Wing Loong series combat drones, aiming to establish a dedicated drone brigade.

Stung by the defeat, Pakistan is aggressively pursuing military modernisation, doubling down on Chinese and Turkish technology while diversifying with a $9 billion arms deal with Russia. The proposed Russian package includes tanks, air defence systems, warships, Mi-26T2 combat helicopters, and possibly MiG-35 fighter jets.

Pakistan is also set to acquire China's HQ-19 ballistic missile defence system and 40 J-35A stealth fighters starting 2026, alongside efforts to improve operator training and coordination to address multi-layered threats.


The HQ-9's dismal performance has not only exposed Pakistan's operational deficiencies but also dented China's reputation as a reliable arms exporter. Modelled partly on Russia's S-300, the HQ-9 and its variants have been questioned for their effectiveness against modern, high-speed, precision-guided missiles, raising doubts about their reliability in high-intensity conflicts.

India's dominance in Operation Sindoor underscores its technological and strategic edge even as Pakistan scrambles to rebuild its shattered defences. The conflict serves as a warning to nations relying on Chinese military hardware as India's advanced capabilities continue to reshape the regional power balance.

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[Lulldapull]

Indian musalman and Israeli girl discuss recent Ind/Pak events.



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Israheeli looks hendu-pak no?

Look.......lol

 

[Sharma Ji]

Israheeli looks hendu-pak no?

Look.......lol

A lot of them do, a surprisingly racially diverse lot.. arab, desi (north), latino type bhot hain, full gora/slav type bhi hain.

 

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Side that sees first prevails': Top IAF officer says BrahMos, SCALP have rendered geographical barriers meaningless​

'Side that sees first prevails': Top IAF officer says BrahMos, SCALP have rendered geographical barriers meaningless
In an assessment of how modern warfare has reshaped military doctrine, Air Marshal Ashutosh Dixit, Deputy Chief of Air Staff, on Wednesday said that weapons like SCALP, BrahMos, and HAMMER have fundamentally altered the traditional notions of distance and vulnerability, rendering geographical barriers "almost meaningless."

Speaking at the Surveillance and Electro Optics India seminar, Air Marshal Dixit underlined the pivotal role of real-time situational awareness in contemporary conflicts. "When we look at global conflicts commencing from Armenia-Azerbaijan to Russia-Ukraine and Israel-Hamas, and to our own experiences in Operation Sindoor, one truth emerges with crystal clarity: the side that sees first, sees farthest and sees most accurately, prevails,” he said. "This axiom has guided military thinking for centuries, but never has it been more relevant than in our current era of precision warfare and multi-domain operations."

He referred to India's own Operation Sindoor as a reflection of this new reality, noting that it underscored the urgency of deep surveillance capabilities. "This brings me to the critical importance of deep surveillance in contemporary warfare. The lessons from Operation Sindoor have reinforced what military strategists have long understood but perhaps not fully appreciated until now. Modern warfare, thanks to technology, has fundamentally altered the relationship between distance and vulnerability,” he said.


Expanding on this, Dixit stated that it has given a new meaning to simultaneity and non-linearity. "The existing principles of war are being challenged, and new ones are emerging. Earlier, the horizon marked the limit of immediate threat. Today, precision-guided munitions like SCALP, BrahMos, and HAMMER have rendered geographical barriers almost meaningless, as strikes with BVR AAMs and supersonic AGMs have become commonplace."

Air Marshal Dixit stressed that surveillance and electro-optic technologies have moved from being mere force multipliers to the cornerstone of operational planning. "As someone who has witnessed this transformation firsthand, I can attest that we stand at the cusp of a revolution that will redefine how we perceive, process, and project power in the 21st century."

He highlighted how the battlefield itself is being redefined by these advances. "When weapons can strike targets hundreds of kilometres away with pinpoint accuracy, the traditional concepts of front, rear and flanks combat zones and depth areas all become irrelevant. What we call the front and the theatre merge into one," he said.


"This new reality demands that we extend our surveillance envelope far beyond what previous generations could have even imagined. We must detect, identify and track potential threats not when they approach our borders, but when they are still in their staging areas, airfields and bases, deep within adversary territory. This existed as a concept even earlier but today we have the means to realise it,” he added.

Underscoring the compression of timeframes in modern warfare, he noted that traditional decision-making cycles are now too slow. "When hypersonic missiles can traverse hundreds of kilometres in minutes and drone swarms can reach their targets before traditional decision-making processes can respond, real-time or near-real-time surveillance becomes not just advantageous but essential for survival," Air Marshal Dixit said.

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I too was taken aback. And quite put off too ki yahan mai serious discussion kar raha hun aur ye pillu liberties le raha hai.

That's why I immediately disengaged, if you noticed.

A sobering thought. If this is my reaction then other think the sane when i speak (type) like this.

No wonder I get banned everywhere.

My obnoxiousness is more difficult to tolerate than the draw and value of my intellect and wisdom through participation.

Ye kya doctor? Apna khud ka style nahi jante? It is worrisome that if you are wrong in one or two or three matters, you could be wrong in other matters also.

 

[Vsdoc]

Ye kya doctor? Apna khud ka style nahi jante? It is worrisome that if you are wrong in one or two or three matters, you could be wrong in other matters also.

Why is it worrisome

Teri zindagi chalti hai meri bhavishyavani aur kahani pe?

Chal bajoo.

 

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This was a war like never fought before. World's 12 most powerful country fought with world's 4 th most powerful country and third most powerful airforce. This war was unique in many ways and Pakistan was bought down on knees within just less than 4 days. World saw a war fought with modern warfare principles. Massive numbers of drones were used. An unimaginable precessions strike was demonstrated. World saw an unimaginable counter drone offensive with an accuracy never seen before over a very large theatre. This war changed the balance of power in Asia completely. Low cost frugal weapons displayed unimaginable accuracy which amazed many military think tanks across the world. World witnessed a rise of peaceful yet very powerful nation called India. We proved that our advocacy of peace has come from our confidence in our capabilities not from our weakness. World witnessed the real power and the fake power made out of paid propaganda. Many nations in the world are now in queue to buy Indian weapons and collaborate with India in weapons manufacturing.

 

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Operation Sindoor: Rafales, Sukhois Shot Down Pakistan’s JF-17s, Mirages In Dogfight; India Set To Reveal Smoking Gun Evidence​

Operation Sindoor: Rafales, Sukhois Shot Down Pakistan’s JF-17s, Mirages In Dogfight; India Set To Reveal Smoking Gun Evidence
New Delhi: Clouds parted. Secrets spilled. Under the cloak of night, the Indian Air Force launched a mission that would rattle Islamabad to its core. It was Operation Sindoor, a storm that tore through terror camps and left Pakistani war machines in flames.

On the intervening night of May 6 and 7, the air throbbed with tension. Rafale and Sukhoi jets soared out of Indian bases. Precision. Power. Payloads locked. Targets across the border marked in red – terror launchpads nestled in Pakistan and Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK).


Airstrikes hit like thunderclaps. Explosions followed. Camp after camp, bunker after bunker flattened. Over 100 terrorists eliminated in minutes. The April 22 Pahalgam’s bloodshed avenged.

But the night did not end there.

Pakistan scrambled its jets. JF-17s. Mirages. J-10Cs. Interceptors on a collision course. The dogfight was brutal. Aerial combat at lightning speed. Engines screamed. Missiles launched. Skies lit up.

And then silence. Flames fell from the heavens. Pakistan’s jets crashed and burned.

Sources inside India’s top defence establishment confirm that enemy aircraft shot down mid-air. India watched. Recorded. Tracked every move with AWACS and ground-based radar.

The wreckage? Scattered across the rugged terrain of PoK. And India has the evidence. High-resolution satellite images. Infrared signatures. Radio logs. Visual confirmation from cockpit feeds.

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Made In China, Failed In Pakistan: From Missiles, Radars To Air Defence System, How Operation Sindoor Exposed Dragon-Backed Weapons​

Nearly 82% of Pakistan’s defense imports originate from China.​

Written By Tarique Anwar|Last Updated: May 19, 2025, 09:28 PM IST|Source: Bureau

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New Delhi: Operation Sindoor not only marked a decisive military and strategic victory for India but also exposed vulnerabilities within Pakistan’s armed forces, particularly linked to their heavy reliance on Chinese-supplied military hardware. This conflict, according to reports, served as a real-world test for Chinese defense technology against a combination of Indian and Western platforms that revealed a pattern of system failures and underperformance.


With nearly 82% of Pakistan’s defense imports originating from China, the operation put these systems to the test under intense combat conditions. Indian forces successfully targeted key Pakistani military and terror infrastructure, overcoming or bypassing Chinese-origin air defense systems such as the HQ-9 – which failed to intercept Indian missile strikes, including those delivered BrahMos missiles system.



Ranging from PL-15 air-to-air missiles to J-10C fighter jets and naval frigates, other Chinese-supplied systems were also reported to have malfunctioned or underperformed during the conflict. It left Pakistani defenses compromised and unable to effectively respond to India’s offensive.

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The operational setbacks experienced by these Chinese weapons have had broader repercussions beyond the immediate battlefield. The inability of these systems to deliver under combat conditions has impacted China’s reputation as a global arms exporter and reinforced longstanding concerns about the quality and reliability of Chinese military equipment.

Analysts said these failures validate earlier skepticism regarding Chinese defense technology and may accelerate the decline in China’s arms exports, which had already been shrinking due to quality issues. The credibility gap exposed by ‘Operation Sindoor’ also provides a strategic opening for other arms manufacturers, including India, to emphasise their own combat-proven reliability.

Observations, Incidents of Failure

Air Defense Systems (HQ-9, HQ-16/LY-80): The reports indicate the complete failure of Pakistan’s Chinese-made air defense systems to intercept Indian aircraft or missiles effectively. Indian forces successfully bypassed and jammed Pakistani air defense units, including those protecting important military installations. Questions have been raised about these systems’ detection and response capabilities – particularly against advanced Indian and Western technology.

Some Chinese nationals too reportedly criticised the Pakistani operators on social media, attributing failures to inadequate training and operational inefficiencies.

Air-to-Air Missiles (PL-15): Marketed as a rival to Western systems like the American AIM-120D, the Chinese PL-15 beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile reportedly failed to hit targets or malfunctioned mid-flight. Indian military officials displayed recovered fragments of a PL-15 missile in Hoshiarpur that had missed its target, casting doubt on its combat effectiveness.

While some pro-Chinese media sources attempted to claim PL-15 successes, these claims lacked independent verification and were largely dismissed as propaganda.

CM-400AKG Air-to-Surface Missile: The CM-400AKG air-to-surface missile, touted as a “carrier killer”, was detected early by Indian surveillance systems such as Netra and AWACS. Despite its speed, it lacks stealth features and terminal maneuverability – making it vulnerable to spoofing and jamming.

Fighter Jets (J-10C, JF-17): Pakistan deployed Chinese-made J-10C and JF-17 Block III fighter jets equipped with PL-15 missiles during the operation. However, these jets reportedly failed to significantly impede or deter Indian airstrikes.

Claims by Pakistani and Chinese sources, cited in media reports, that J-10C aircraft downed multiple Indian jets, including Rafales, remain unverified with no debris or evidence presented. Analysts generally regarded the Chinese jets’ performance against Indian aircraft – a mix of Russian and Western platforms – as ineffective.

Radar Systems: An Indian Air Force strike reportedly destroyed a Chinese-supplied YLC-8E anti-stealth radar at the Chunian Air Base in Punjab – exposing further vulnerabilities in China’s air defense offerings to Pakistan.

AR-1 Guided Missile (Deployed via Wing Loong-II Drones): The AR-1 is a Chinese laser-guided air-to-surface missile typically deployed from unmanned aerial vehicles like the Wing Loong-II drone.

Pakistan utilised these drones during the conflict, but Indian air defenses successfully intercepted or neutralised AR-1 missiles before they could hit targets. The missile’s failure highlights deficiencies against well-established Indian defense networks.

Chinese-Origin Drones: Pakistan employed various Chinese-origin drones for reconnaissance and offensive roles during the conflict. Indian forces intercepted and neutralised several drones, with wreckage displayed at official briefings.

These interceptions raise questions about the drones’ stealth capabilities and operational effectiveness in contested airspace.

Reliability and Quality Concerns

The conflict exposed fundamental vulnerabilities in the reliability and combat effectiveness of Chinese military technology despite Beijing’s aggressive marketing as a credible alternative to Western and Russian arms suppliers. Reports indicate frequent defects in critical components, poor quality control and inadequate after-sales support.

Past instances of malfunctioning Chinese military equipment sold to other countries – including faulty frigates for the Pakistan Navy and issues with fighter jets in Nigeria and Myanmar – point to a recurring pattern of quality problems.

Netizens’ Reactions

Across social media, netizens from China and other regions displayed mixed reactions. Some blamed Pakistani operational shortcomings rather than the hardware itself, while others expressed frustration over the exposed failures.

The debate highlighted how the weapons’ poor performance has become a sensitive topic, with some attempts to spin or downplay the deficiencies.

Meanwhile, Indian observers and analysts have pointed to the conflict as a proof point for India’s growing defense manufacturing capabilities and the reliability of its own systems.
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[Sharma Ji]

India Set To Reveal Smoking Gun Evidence

when ?

 

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Russian bike enthusiast test drives Bajaj pulsar 200 and Chinese Lifan 200.

He Says that if Chinese bike improves breaking, handling and engine performance, it can be a bike for beginners.

He said that pulsar is highly maneuverable. It is a dream bike. If a thought comes in your mind to turn the bike, it takes turn. Excellent breaking. This bike is for hooliganism. The only issue with the bike is that you crash it in enthusiasm of fast driving. No comparison between the two. He said Pulsar 200 has Japanese and German quality at Chinese price.

The difference between substandard Chinese quality and world beating Indian quality. Quality humiliation is normal in China.

Chinese bike vs pulsar Indiworld - Search Videos​

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China is always very famous for quality. They made the car and announced that it is amongst the top car of the catagory. When put to test, It scored 0/5 in crash test. Normal for China. Chinese quality. Humiliation is consider a great honor in China. Unless they are humiliated, they feel abnormal.

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China dominates the life or death of Indian cars. Tell the Indians again. Who is your dad.

China makes up 30 per cent of India’s auto component import​

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3 years old news. Chinese are not good enough to make Good car. They are good for low cost parts only. China copied BMW. When car was sent for crash test, it scored 0/5 in crash test like their HQ9 and HQ16 and PL 15.

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3 years old news. Chinese are not good enough to make Good car. They are good for low cost parts only. China copied BMW. When car was sent for crash test, it scored 0/5 in crash test like their HQ9 and HQ16 and PL 15.

Don't be angry. I'm just humiliating you anytime, anywhere.

We humans ask. Can Indian made Tejas fly now?

Your joke does not affect the J-10C shot down the Rafale.

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Due to the lack of technical support from China. Indian made fighter jets cannot fly.


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Different from Indian propaganda. In the real world. Indians are very clever in not trusting 'Made in India'.


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Can Indians convince the Indian Air Force to believe in 'Made in India' in the real world?


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What is' Made in India '

If there is Chinese technical support. It works...

If there is no Chinese technical support. It doesn't work....

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Don't be angry. I'm just humiliating you anytime, anywhere.

We humans ask. Can Indian made Tejas fly now?

Your joke does not affect the J-10C shot down the Rafale.
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J 10 and JF 17 couldn't even airborne on 9 th and 10th to counter massive Indian Air attack which demolished 11 Pakistani air bases. Pakistan shift them far away and hide them to save them from the attack of mighty Indian planes. On 7th, What J10c could target was sand of Rajasthan. PL 15 is dismantled and data is share with Japan and US. China has requested to return it citing UN convention. Great humiliation of China as usual.

We have successfully tested long range anti ship hyper sonic cruise missile. We shall target Chinese ships in South China sea from Indian soil.

Stop making those jumk ships. We shall require only one missile to send them to the bottom of the see like your nuke submarine which is resting in the bottom of the sea. Don't message with your daddy India you 4 feeters.