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Doctor Saheb,

I am providing references now which shows India as a nation (a Cultural identity) know as Bharat for thousands of years.

1) VIshnu Puran Referances:
उत्तरं यत्समुद्रस्य हिमाद्रेश्चैव दक्षिणम् ।
वर्षं तद् भारतं नाम भारती यत्र संततिः ।।
he land north of the ocean and south of the Himalayas is called Bharat, where the descendants of Bharata live.”
2) ततश्च भारतं वर्षमेतल्लोकेषुगीयते
भरताय यत: पित्रा दत्तं प्रतिष्ठिता वनम (विष्णु पुराण, २,१,३२)
This country is known as Bharatavarsha since the times the father entrusted the kingdom to the son Bharata and he himself went to the forest for ascetic practices.
This means that country was there even before Bharat whose Name changed after Bharat became the king.

Mahabharata (c. 5000 BCE)


  • Uses Bharata Varsha repeatedly.
  • Describes pilgrimages across the entire subcontinent.
  • Kings from Gandhara to Kanyakumari attend common events.

Pan-Indian Sacred Geography (Cultural Unity)​


Pilgrimage Circuit (very ancient)

  • Char Dham: Badrinath, Dwarka, Puri, Rameswaram
  • 12 Jyotirlingas
  • 51 Shakti Peethas

Shakti Peeths are there in Current Day Pakistan and Bangladesh as well.
Adi Shankra Established 4 peets across India 2500 years ago.

Adi Shankaracharya (8th century CE)


  • Established four Mathasin:
    • North (Badrinath)
    • South (Sringeri)
    • East (Puri)
    • West (Dwarka)
Foreign Sources:

Greek Sources

  • Herodotus (5th century BCE) – “India” as a distinct land and people
  • Megasthenes (Indica) – describes India as one civilizational entity

Chinese Pilgrims:

  • Fa-Hien (5th century CE)
  • Xuanzang / Hiuen Tsang (7th century CE)
They refer to:
  • A single land called “Yin-Tu” / “Tianzhu”
  • “Tianzhu” is a phonetic transcription of the Sanskrit word “Sindhu” / “Hindu.”Tianzhu = India (as a civilization and land)
  • Shared customs, dharma, learning centers

Key Chinese Texts:​

  • Han Dynasty records (2nd century BCE onward)
  • Buddhist scriptures translated into Chinese
  • Travelogues of monks:
    • Fa-Hien (法显) – 5th century CE
    • Xuanzang (玄奘) – 7th century CE
They consistently use Tianzhu to refer to:
  • The entire Indian subcontinent
  • Land of the Buddha
  • A unified cultural–religious space

Arab–Persian Writers

  • Al-Biruni (11th century):
We are not talking about the land mass. That is collectively called India or Bharat or Hindustan.

We are talking about one nation.

There is a big difference.

India or Bharat is not dissimilar to Europe. Or South America.

Historically. Culturally. Even religiously.

That was never the argument.

You initially claimed, in your own words, that India or Bharat has been a nation for over 5000 years.

It has not.

I has never been a nation, closely resembling modern India, more than 3 maybe 4 times in the past.

And never for even a 100 years continuously.

Forget 500.

And definitely forget the laughable claim of 5000.

Bolne mein kya jata hai?

Say 10,000. Does not mean intelligent educated people need to swallow it.
 
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  • While not under a single rule for most of its history, significant portions of the subcontinent were united under the Mauryan (c. 3rd century BCE), Gupta (c. 4th–6th century CE), and Mughal (c. 16th–18th century CE) empires.

  • Colonial Impact: British rule (1858–1947) brought the entire subcontinent under a single administrative and legal framework, which created the infrastructure for the modern Indian state.
Please note that India historically has always been a geographical term.

A civilization term.

Much like Europe or South America.

The few instances mentioned above, even they were never close to the actual spread of modern India.

Which whether we like to admit or not, was cobbled together into a single entity by the British. For the first time in history.
 
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A notable miss is the Maratha Confederacy, which was geographically probably closest to modern India.

But even it was short lived.
 
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We are not talking about the land mass. That is collectively called India or Bharat or Hindustan.

We are talking about one nation.

There is a big difference.

India or Bharat is not dissimilar to Europe. Or South America.

Historically. Culturally. Even religiously.

That was never the argument.

You initially claimed, in your own words, that India or Bharat has been a nation for over 5000 years.

It has not.

I has never been a nation, closely resembling modern India, more than 3 maybe 4 times in the past.

And never for even a 100 years continuously.

Forget 500.

And definitely forget the laughable claim of 5000.

Bolne mein kya jata hai?

Say 10,000. Does not mean intelligent educated people need to swallow it.

I have quoted numerous references of this landmass called Bharat. What you have said is your opinion build from BS Commie literature without any reference.
if you talk about Modern Nation definition, no other country in the world fits into your Definition. No India, no China, no Iran, no Iraq, No country of Europe, US, Russia. What is applicable to India is applicable to each and every nation across the Globe. This land was Bharat about 7000 years ago and still Bharat ruled by different rulers at different time.
 
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I have quoted numerous references of this landmass called Bharat. What you have said is your opinion build from BS Commie literature without any reference.
if you talk about Modern Nation definition, no other country in the world fits into your Definition. No India, no China, no Iran, no Iraq, No country of Europe, US, Russia. What is applicable to India is applicable to each and every nation across the Globe. This land was Bharat about 7000 years ago and still Bharat ruled by different rulers at different time.
Completely wrong and we recognise the sign of bullshit Hindutva narrative losing when words like leftist, commie, etc. start to come in.

China. A nation for most of its history.

Persia/Iran. A nation for most of it history.

Greece. An ancient nation state.

Rome. An ancient nation state.

Russia. A nation for most of its history.

Egypt. A nation for most of its history.

India, like Europe, like South America, has never ever been a single nation for most of its history.

You continue to confuse geography and a civilization with nationhood.

This is common obfuscation of the Hindu revisionist brain.
 
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India for most of its history was never under central rule.

It never fought under one banner.

It never fought as a single army.

It was never governed by a single set of rules for and rights of citizens.

India has never been a nation.
 
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India for most of time has been fragmented kingdoms and tribes.

Different kings. Different dynasties. Different armies. Different flags.

All mostly at war against one another.

This is not a nation.

It is a genetic, ethnic, linguistic, racial goulash.
 
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