[🇦🇫] Pakistan watches with caution as old ally Taliban gets closer to India

[Sharma Ji]

Many Indian channels speaking on dis Sharma......

ok

I don't watch a lot of mainstream news, spl our sansani ones .. once in a while I'll go have dinner with the old folks and they's always glued to these.

Sar dard ho jaata hain watching those 'rah rah screamfests'

aap pata nahi kaisey dekh lete ho ye sab

youtube pe dekho, much more nuanced content from legit sources there, minus the hype, some of these bigger and credible former mainstream folks also been switching over to it.

double edged sword, though.. online you get people doing unfiltered bakwaasein bhi.

I watch Indian and Pak mainstream ones as well as their online folk, and gora media.. sub ki suno, full spectrum.. then you can start sifting through that muck and pan for gold nuggets.

Media environment, spl with socials ki noise thrown in there.. very very noisy..

therefore, mutthi bhar skepticism ka namak daalna na bhoolein !

that xhit is straight up poison most of the times

 

[steppeWolff]

Sure.

The secondary mushroom the whole world saw was from "the roads".

US special flights literally an hour after the hit, was for "road inspection".

Special flight from Egypt with an emergency consignment of "road tar"

Completely depopulated villages on a perimeter around the impact sites, because "the roads are out".

Chalo. Happy road building.

Literally no one except India media has reported that. If that was the case, Pakistanis would be grilling Armed Forces more than you could have imagined considered the deep resentment.

India tried to hit the Sargodha AFB, couldn't do much damage. Only AFBs that got damaged were Bholari and Nur Khan. Nur Khan got a C130 damaged which will be repaired and Bholari was just before ceasefire and resulted in 5 martyrdoms.

I'm still happy with the Air force's performance considering they downed atleast 2 Rafales and some others. Even the most hardcore fanboys wouldn't have imagined such a bad show from IAF.

 

[Suresh Naresh]

We will recognise the nation of Balochistan next, after the Taliban.

What about Iranian side of Balochistan? Will that part also be recognised as a separate nation?

@Vsdoc @Lulldapull

 

[Vsdoc]

Literally no one except India media has reported that. If that was the case, Pakistanis would be grilling Armed Forces more than you could have imagined considered the deep resentment.

India tried to hit the Sargodha AFB, couldn't do much damage. Only AFBs that got damaged were Bholari and Nur Khan. Nur Khan got a C130 damaged which will be repaired and Bholari was just before ceasefire and resulted in 5 martyrdoms.

I'm still happy with the Air force's performance considering they downed atleast 2 Rafales and some others. Even the most hardcore fanboys wouldn't have imagined such a bad show from IAF.

The video (I've posted it here) is obviously from a Pakistani source. Taken by locals.

What has Pakistan awaam ever been able to do against its Army?

And this is war. Against the Hindu.

Everyone will stand in line. And take his two doses a day of chooran.

Even when big doubts are gnawing away at the backs of intelligent minds ....

Like I see daily on jihad central (where I was happy to see you too).

At least here you have the option of chooran or sookhi roti.

 

[Vsdoc]

What about Iranian side of Balochistan? Will that part also be recognised as a separate nation?

@Vsdoc @Lulldapull

Why do you want to finger Iran?

 

[Vsdoc]

The video (I've posted it here) is obviously from a Pakistani source. Taken by locals.

What has Pakistan awaam ever been able to do against its Army?

And this is war. Against the Hindu.

Everyone will stand in line. And take his two doses a day of chooran.

Even when big doubts are gnawing away at the backs of intelligent minds ....

Like I see daily on jihad central (where I was happy to see you too).

At least here you have the option of chooran or sookhi roti.

I've said it before and I will say it again ... so technically this belongs to the Remember What Doc Said to the Pakistanis thread ...

You (Pakistani awaam) will need the Indian Army to kill the Pakistan Army for you.

Because for all your bravado, the Pakistani awaam is the most buzdil awaam I have seen.

Even Bangladeshis have more guts when it comes to street rebellion. And Sri Lankans too.

 

[steppeWolff]

The video (I've posted it here) is obviously from a Pakistani source. Taken by locals.

I've been told entirely different from someone living just besides Kirana Hills. Oscar on PDF agrees too. And he's very reliable guy.

And this is war. Against the Hindu.

That I agree. I have seen alot of videos of farmers patrolling with AKs in Punjab, one even shot doen a drone. I mentioned it earlier some time ago that nothing will unite Pakistan more than a war against India. Thanks for that. Now we can crack down on insurgents more ( which is happening as we speak ).

Like I see daily on jihad central (where I was happy to see you too).

I am realistic bro. Id prefer better relationship and trade with India. But both sides have fanatics leading them. And when some on your side talk about blocking our water, even people like me stand in line with the military.

 

[steppeWolff]

What about Iranian side of Balochistan? Will that part also be recognised as a separate nation?

@Vsdoc @Lulldapull

Yea no. Thats why it is in Iranian interests too, to not let the formation of an independent Balochistan happen ( not like it will considering the demographics ). Sistan Baluchistan itself is a hotbed of terrorism inside Iran too.

 

[Vsdoc]

Yea no. Thats why it is in Iranian interests too, to not let the formation of an independent Balochistan happen ( not like it will considering the demographics ). Sistan Baluchistan itself is a hotbed of terrorism inside Iran too.

From what I understand, the ones on the Iran side are a beleaguered and largely crushed lot. More caveman smugglers and dacoits than what your army is facing.

No one can rightly compare the scale (of the insurgency) on both sides.

I was unaware that Balochistan (yours) is majority Pashtun.

If so, it makes India's future moves crystal clear.

This may well be oil and water separating, as they always have, and will, along the civilizational cleave line of the Indus.

 

[steppeWolff]

From what I understand, the ones on the Iran side are a beleaguered and largely crushed lot. More caveman smugglers and dacoits than what your army is facing.

No one can rightly compare the scale (of the insurgency) on both sides.

I was unaware that Balochistan (yours) is majority Pashtun.

If so, it makes India's future moves crystal clear.

This may well be oil and water separating, as they always have, and will, along the civilizational cleave line of the Indus.

The insurgency in Iranian Sistan-Balochistan region is indeed smaller in scale, but that doesn’t make it insignificant. Jundullah, Jaish alAdl, and other groups have carried out high-profile attacks (e.g the 2019 Zahedan suicide bombing, the 2022 Rask police station assault). The ‘caveman smugglers’ narrative is wrong as it downplays Tehran’s own counterterrorism operations.
Why would IRGC deploy brigades to the region if the threat were trivial? The difference is of scale.Pakistan has much larger Baloch population than Iran and India’s proxy war exacerbates it.

And Balochistan is majority Pashtun but a census would never show that cause of obvious political dynamics. Pashtuns are concentrated in Quetta, Pishin, Zhob, and Loralai Division ( The Northern Balochistan ). Brahuis comprise the Kalat Division and Naushki district ( Central Balochistan ). Rest are Baloch territories.

But your broader point about ‘oil and water separating’ is flawed. The ‘civilizational cleave line of the Indus’ is a romanticized fiction. Punjabis, Sindhis, and Pashtuns are deeply integrated into Pakistan’s polity. Even if India exploits ethnic tensions (as it does in Balochistan), Pakistan’s state structure and military cohesion are far more resilient than 1971 redux fantasies.

Punjab itself has a heavy pashtun population. Southern Punjabis ( Seraikis ), they themselves are Baloch who speak a dialect of Punjabi. And they constitute entire southern half of Punjab, from Multan to RYK. Half of Sindh is populated by Baloch tribes who got Sindhified. Zardari Family for example. Karachi has the biggest Pashtun population in planet, has Pashtun MNAs, MPAs. There's hundreds of years of and recent, successful examples of integration.

If India’s plan is to bank on Pashtun Baloch divides, it’s recycling a failed strategy. The TTP’s anti Pakistan insurgency got zero traction in KPK because Pashtuns reject foreign backed destabilization. Pashtun Lashkars of FATA fought a brutal war against TTP, Chechens and Uzbeks, Uyghurs, Al Qaeda etc for an entire decade. They want nothing to do with India or Afghanistan. Just see the heavily armed rallies Pashtuns led recently during Indo Pak conflict. And let’s not pretend Delhi’s Balochistan meddling (e.g., Kulbhushan Jadhav) has yielded anything but embarrassment.

And you’re right that Iran has crushed much of its Baloch insurgency; but that’s precisely why it cooperates with Pakistan on border security. Neither of us wants an independent Balochistan. India’s fantasy of balkanizing Pakistan along ethnic lines is a geopolitical pipe dream. The real ‘civilizational cleave’ is between states that fuel separatism (India) and those that crush it (Iran, Pakistan).

 

[Vsdoc]

The insurgency in Iranian Sistan-Balochistan region is indeed smaller in scale, but that doesn’t make it insignificant. Jundullah, Jaish alAdl, and other groups have carried out high-profile attacks (e.g the 2019 Zahedan suicide bombing, the 2022 Rask police station assault). The ‘caveman smugglers’ narrative is wrong as it downplays Tehran’s own counterterrorism operations.
Why would IRGC deploy brigades to the region if the threat were trivial? The difference is of scale.Pakistan has much larger Baloch population than Iran and India’s proxy war exacerbates it.

And Balochistan is majority Pashtun but a census would never show that cause of obvious political dynamics. Pashtuns are concentrated in Quetta, Pishin, Zhob, and Loralai Division ( The Northern Balochistan ). Brahuis comprise the Kalat Division and Naushki district ( Central Balochistan ). Rest are Baloch territories.

But your broader point about ‘oil and water separating’ is flawed. The ‘civilizational cleave line of the Indus’ is a romanticized fiction. Punjabis, Sindhis, and Pashtuns are deeply integrated into Pakistan’s polity. Even if India exploits ethnic tensions (as it does in Balochistan), Pakistan’s state structure and military cohesion are far more resilient than 1971 redux fantasies.

Punjab itself has a heavy pashtun population. Southern Punjabis ( Seraikis ), they themselves are Baloch who speak a dialect of Punjabi. And they constitute entire southern half of Punjab, from Multan to RYK. Half of Sindh is populated by Baloch tribes who got Sindhified. Zardari Family for example. Karachi has the biggest Pashtun population in planet, has Pashtun MNAs, MPAs. There's hundreds of years of and recent, successful examples of integration.

If India’s plan is to bank on Pashtun Baloch divides, it’s recycling a failed strategy. The TTP’s anti Pakistan insurgency got zero traction in KPK because Pashtuns reject foreign backed destabilization. Pashtun Lashkars of FATA fought a brutal war against TTP, Chechens and Uzbeks, Uyghurs, Al Qaeda etc for an entire decade. They want nothing to do with India or Afghanistan. Just see the heavily armed rallies Pashtuns led recently during Indo Pak conflict. And let’s not pretend Delhi’s Balochistan meddling (e.g., Kulbhushan Jadhav) has yielded anything but embarrassment.

And you’re right that Iran has crushed much of its Baloch insurgency; but that’s precisely why it cooperates with Pakistan on border security. Neither of us wants an independent Balochistan. India’s fantasy of balkanizing Pakistan along ethnic lines is a geopolitical pipe dream. The real ‘civilizational cleave’ is between states that fuel separatism (India) and those that crush it (Iran, Pakistan).

Balochistan separating from Pakistan is of no use to India.

Its a huge loss to Pakistan.

Now rethink what India wants.

 

[Lulldapull]

What about Iranian side of Balochistan? Will that part also be recognised as a separate nation?

@Vsdoc @Lulldapull

Iranis will crush any ethnic supremacy nonsense.

Its considered extreme budtameezi to put down any ethnicity or religion or parrosi in Iran.

Lot of Pakistanis living/ working in Iran now on work visa.

Nobody even asks k aap sunni ho shia ho ya Christy X-Tian ho....that is considered very rude.

 

[Lulldapull]

Why do you want to finger Iran?

Cuz shes dalit and wants her kind to infiltrate.......like a kaafir dalit virus inside Iran.

India/ Pak ka haal dekh lo aaj......



When yous quit caring on who's comin in no?

Batten down da hatches doc, erect walls with barbed wire fences and thousand mile 20 m wide x 10m deep trenches.......sentry gun AI turrets with moats and security drones and strong points every km on da wall.......ye karna purr ra hae ab Iran ko, along with mass deportations.

Vurna Iran gya!........just like us........

Ager khuda na khaasta dalit Iran main ghunsa doc......he will destroy Iran just like da subcontinent!

Doosri taraf Irani consider arbi as biological dushman.......like nazi kutter cultural hate.....

You know what I'm saying doc.......east n west n north teeno block to hain.....but not impregnable. And the emptiness of the open country no?......serious shortage of manpower.

Not yet sealed!.....extreme work needs to be still done to completely seal it off......like zero leakage.

 

[Vsdoc]

Cuz shes dalit and wants her kind to infiltrate.......like a kaafir dalit virus inside Iran.

India/ Pak ka haal dekh lo aaj......



When yous quit caring on who's comin in no?

Batten down da hatches doc, erect walls with barbed wire fences and thousand mile 20 m wide x 10m deep trenches.......sentry gun AI turrets with moats and security drones and strong points every km on da wall.......ye karna purr ra hae ab Iran ko, along with mass deportations.

Vurna Iran gya!........just like us........

Ager khuda na khaasta dalit Iran main ghunsa doc......he will destroy Iran just like da subcontinent!

Doosri taraf Irani consider arbi as biological dushman.......like nazi kutter cultural hate.....

You know what I'm saying doc.......east n west n north teeno block to hain.....but not impregnable. And the emptiness of the open country no?......serious shortage of manpower.

Not yet sealed!.....extreme work needs to be still done to completely seal it off......like zero leakage.

Iranis of today look at Arabs as kattar dushman.

But honestly Arabs have historically been very low on the empire totem of Persia where we had peoples from Europe extending all the way to China.

Not unlike how they look at their Sistan cavemen.